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Virtue in the Mean (Aquinas 101) 

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According to Aristotle’s definition of moral virtue, a virtue is a disposition to choose according to the mean relative to us as determined by the one who is prudent. Now, many questions commonly come up about the mean of virtue. A little thought reveals that the mean is not the same for everybody-even in one and the same matter.
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Virtue in the Mean (Aquinas 101) - Fr. James Brent, O.P.
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@vivatchristvsrex2663
@vivatchristvsrex2663 3 года назад
God bless you father for this great video
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 3 года назад
Thank you-glad this was helpful!
@thelaughingphilosopher2421
@thelaughingphilosopher2421 3 года назад
"One cannot Love God too much." Gratias Tibi! ! You've given me my thought for the Day!
@fernandolh6538
@fernandolh6538 3 года назад
00:00 It is an ancient saying that VIRTUE observes THE MEAN BETWEEN EXTREMES. But that saying calls for CLARIFICATION. Does that mean no one should ever do anything extreme? But wouldn’t that be a formula for MEDIOCRITY rather than virtue? On the on the other hand, isn’t it bad to be an EXTREMIST? What Thomas Aquinas has to say about this sheds a great deal of light on WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A GOOD PERSON. 00:35 According to ARISTOTLE’S DEFINITION of MORAL VIRTUE, a virtue is: “ a disposition to choose according to the mean relative to us as determined by the one who is prudent”. That definition has a lot to it, so let’s unpack it. 00:51 First, one who has the virtue of justice, for example, has a certain quality of the will that inclines the person to render to each his due, for example, to return borrowed goods or to pay off a debt. 01:06 Second, each virtue disposes a person to do not just anything, but to act according to a mean. The idea here is that all forms of action fall within a spectrum of extremes. The classic example is eating. One may eat too much or too little. Or one may eat far too often or far too rarely. Temperance is the virtue that regulates eating, and it does so by moderating it. To moderate one’s eating is to keep it to the intermediate place between extremes: neither too much nor too little, neither too often nor too rarely. 01:47 Virtue observes the mean or the intermediate point between extremes. Now many questions commonly come up about the mean of virtue, and only a little thought reveals that the mean is not the same for everybody even in one and the same matter such as eating. What counts as a moderate amount of food for an adolescent male is generally too much for a fully grown middle aged one, and what is too much for a petite ballerina is too little for an Olympic wrestler. And similarly, the mean of virtue is not the same across all matters. 02:25 When it comes to eating, the mean is between extremes of quantity and frequency and other factors. When it comes to other matters, however, things are different. When it comes to sexual behavior, for example, the mean of the virtue of chastity is to act on sexual impulse with exactly one lawfully wedded spouse always in a manner open to life. When it comes to financial exchanges, the mean is arithmetic equality in the value of goods exchanged. When it comes to generosity, the mean is to give in abundance in proportion to one’s holdings. The widow who gave but two small coins was generous in the extreme, since it was all she had, and what she did was praiseworthy. 03: 17 When it comes to the virtue of charity, when it comes to loving God, St. Thomas is very clear. One cannot love God too much. For charity, he says, the mean is the extreme. And the more extreme one is in loving God the better one is. The martyrs who gave up their lives in a most extreme act of love for Christ are among the greatest examples of charity. 03:40 The perennial philosophical tradition, therefore, takes into account a certain kind of relativity in the moral life. The ancient definition of virtue carefully says that virtue chooses according the mean relative to us, that is, in relative to one’s concrete person in one’s actual circumstances and relative to the matter at hand, for example, eating or buying and selling or in loving God. 04:08 And now another question commonly comes up. How does one know the mean of virtue in any given case or instance? One virtue in particular is very important because it is the virtue that identifies the mean in any given matter, and that is prudence. PRUDENCE knows the mean or intermediate point in matters of food and drink, sexuality, financial exchanges, generosity, charity, and every other moral matter. In all matters, PRUDENCE KNOWS THE MEAN AND VIRTUE KEEPS ONE TO IT IN ONE’S ACTIONS. 04:46 That is why PRUDENCE is sometimes called THE CAPTAIN OF THE SHIP. Just as a captain gives different orders to different sailors at different times and circumstances, but always in keeping with what will actually bring the ship safely into port, so prudence tells us that different people should do different things in different circumstances, but always in keeping with what will actually lead a person to true happiness, beatitude, God. 05:19 For readings, podcasts, and more videos like this, go to Aquinas101.com. While you're there, be sure to sign up for one of our free video courses on Aquinas. And don't forget to like and share with your friends, because it matters what you think.
@ElizabethDMadison
@ElizabethDMadison 3 года назад
Thank you for always being a breath of fresh air, I appreciate this much more than I appreciate Fr Casey the clickbait Millennial Franciscan.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 3 года назад
You are welcome! May the Lord bless you!
@roisinpatriciagaffney4087
@roisinpatriciagaffney4087 3 года назад
Thank you. Pax Christi.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 3 года назад
Amen! Et cum spiritu tuo.
@kristindreko3194
@kristindreko3194 2 года назад
Thank you Aquinas 101, may God bless you!
@markmenotti203
@markmenotti203 3 года назад
Thank you, Father
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 3 года назад
You are welcome! May the Lord bless you!
@hughmungus9739
@hughmungus9739 3 года назад
Wonderful episode! Does the Thomistic Institute have any episodes on Thomistic Divine Simplicity and freedom of Divine Acts (especially relating to creatiom)
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 3 года назад
Yes! A whole playlist of videos on such topics, in fact: ru-vid.com/group/PL_kd4Kgq4tP-s0_hI-JHl_NXFN7f0inSo. The videos on "Divine Attributes," "Providence and Chance," "Freedom," and "Predestination" most touch on those questions. Hope they are helpful, and God bless!
@joaovox
@joaovox 2 года назад
Thank you for the question and the answer! Will hear...
@maryjohnstone4777
@maryjohnstone4777 3 года назад
A very enlightening video,thanks so much! Well delivered n succinctly explained.Its a bit like Good Actions ,we must practice,I suppose?
@carolinaschindler7582
@carolinaschindler7582 3 года назад
Thank you for a great video.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 3 года назад
Thank you for watching!
@theexistenshield
@theexistenshield 3 года назад
Hey, is wearing the habit during the videos mandatory for all of you? I find this channel amazing, btw.
@miguelposadas5893
@miguelposadas5893 2 года назад
Oh the see saw, made me laugh hard
@mkmamolo6693
@mkmamolo6693 Год назад
To my understanding, Aristotle’s take on virtue is the exact same as Aquinas’. He called virtue the golden mean between two extremes. Did Aquinas base this idea from Aristotle’s teachings? I’m asking because I don’t know
@thefrenchareharlequins2743
@thefrenchareharlequins2743 9 месяцев назад
St Thomas was trying to reconcile the pagan Aristotle with Christianity, yes
@anonymousperson1904
@anonymousperson1904 3 года назад
Unrelated to this video, I have a question regarding existence. Is this a goof argument for the Thomistic conception of existence: If existence were not a positive reality of things, then it couldn't be that by which a thing actually is and without which a thing would be nothing; since existence is this, it must be a real feature of things, that is, it must be an intrinsic act of being by which the thing actually exists and is differentiated from nothing.
@aaronargottelopez3488
@aaronargottelopez3488 11 месяцев назад
@sethapex9670
@sethapex9670 3 года назад
If the mean in financial matters is arithmetic equality, then there is no virtuous finance.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 3 года назад
That's a good objection via a "real conditional" proposition. We should look again at the protasis, though. The key, as stated in the video, is that the mean in financial matters (an act of commutative justice) is arithmetic equality "in the value of the goods exchanged." Thus, the mean lies in the value agreed upon by the buyer and seller, and the execution of the just act occurs in remuneration according to that value. The value is "intentional" or "accidental"-the finite goods exchanged in a market economy do not have an absolute value "in themselves," so long as they are not in themselves immoral to exchange (see below). Sure, in our modern economy, buyers are price-takers on most goods, and they confer their agreement about "equality in the value of the goods" simply through making the purchase. As such, we see how every financial transaction can be virtuous. Financial transactions become vicious, then, when a) the matter exchanged is immoral (e.g. contraband, pornography, persons as chattel, and so forth) and/or b) when the form of "equality in the value of goods exchanged" lacks any semblance of agreement, i.e. when buyers are practically compelled, out of circumstantial necessity, into purchasing items at egregious prices (e.g. price gouging). The finer questions about "arithmetic equality in the value of the goods exchanged" in the context of an international stock market (and secondary and tertiary markets also based on speculation) are fascinating but beyond our scope here. The same principles would apply, though: In all of these circumstances, we are essentially dealing with a mutual agreement about intentional, accidental value confirmed through mutual consent. Saint Thomas outlines his principles regarding distributive and commutative justice in ST II-II, q. 62, especially articles 2 and 3.
@sethapex9670
@sethapex9670 3 года назад
@@ThomisticInstitute I fail to see how our subjective valuations have anything to do with arithmetic equality of the value of goods exchanged. The fact of the matter is that we do not bother to exchange goods when we value the things exchanged equally. We exchange them when our subjective valuation of the good received exceeds the valuation of the good given up. In monetary mediated exchanges, the seller is giving up the good at hand for the agreed price and receiving the money which represents to him a more valuable good, and the buyer is giving up his next most valued good which could have been purchased with the money to achieve good they find more valuable at the time of the sale. Nowhere in this relationship of commerce is there any notion of arithmetic equality whatsoever. It is a purely subjective valuation of what is superior, the good at hand or the alternative good, that each has in mind. The buyer values the good at hand over his alternative, the seller values his alternative over the good at hand.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 3 года назад
​@@sethapex9670 You present another good objection. Where you speak of a necessary difference in something like an absolute intentional value, I would make a distinction between actual and potential value. In any given financial exchange, both parties agree about an arithmetic mean of the item's actual value, right now, as it is. But they differ about its potential (future) value, which is precisely what motivates the exchange. In this regard, we get the aphorism "one man's trash is another man's treasure." The clunker that one man is ready to sell to the scrap yard is another man's restoration project of a lifetime. They both make an assessment of its worth right now and seek to come to an agreement. In the case of the clunker, the owner sees its potential (future) value as less than its actual; it has potential to be a burden, and so he would like to sell. The buyer, on the other hand, sees loads of potential, and thus he is willing to pay more for it, although only to a certain extent. In larger markets, where buyers and sellers are largely price-takers, the same principle holds, albeit without negotiation. Ultimately, one either agrees that the market appraisal of the item's actual value is less than the potential value you see in it vis-a-vis your use, or he passes on the transaction. Thus, we can say that the mean of commutative justice is the arithmetic equality of (or the agreement about) the actual value of goods exchanged, while potential value is where profit is turned.
@_Dovar_
@_Dovar_ 3 года назад
That means only mean people are virtuous...
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 3 года назад
Very punny...
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