Vlog #41 - What's So Bad About Hipsters? 

Wow you missed the point of the video.

Otis van Kemenade You are incorrect.

+meatrace aha, care to tell me why?

Otis van Kemenade The video is defensive about horrible behaviors and lashes out at those who point it out. The video itself missed the point about why people hate hipsters, and instead decided to deflect to tangential topics. My comment is to redirect again to the topic at hand: why hipsters are horrible human beings and a plague on our culture.

+meatrace the point of the video is that people aren't stereotypes, every human is their own unique being, some people you'd call hipsters are often horrible, and yet some are really nice people. Some have nostalgia for decades they weren't born in, and some don't. It doesn't help anybody to judge so many individuals on your perception of a stereotype of a group. because people aren't stereotypes.

+Enna Silkov That is what I thought too. But I am German and I maybe it has a bit different meaning here than it originally had.

NeverNedDead I agree. Maybe it is like the word "nerd"? It used to be derogatory. Now it signifies someone who is very passionate and knowledgeable about a subject ("book nerd," "Star Wars nerd").

+Enna Silkov I think your definition is dead on.

+Enna Silkov There are, like in everything, different types; the "original" hipster concept was to embrace both irony and nostalgis, but as the movement became mainstream, people became "different" for the sake of belonging

We all find ourselves one way or another, if it takes a little affectation at some point so be it. People don't do things if they don't find it worthwhile.

+Danielle Thomas You see, there is a group of people who enjoy a lifestyle for what is it, they wear a piece of clothing because they like the look of it on them, they buy a piece of old furniture becasue they like it's artistic expression and the fact it wont break in a year. This group of people get called hipsters, some of them are rude becasue they believe their more leftist way of life is superior, there are the others too... such as myself, who are more modest, and stick to themselves and don't label themselves as "hipster" because that in itself is un-hipster, NOW if there is somebody who "wants to be a hipster" and decides to do so they aren't "hipster" they don't wholesomly enjoy the lifestyle, fasion, music, furniture, whatever... These people who identify themselves as hipster do so because they want to feel better than everybody else. This gives anybody who ACTUALLY likes the stuff a hard time. People such as myself are now embaressed to like and collect these sorts of things and live a that sort of rustic lifestyle, this is a good thing though because, this will thin out the fakes, or the self described "hipster" the ones who ARE rude and aren't WHOLSOME Does that enlighten you? Any more questions?

Grass ルーツ I never had any questions and you kinda just proved my point :)

+Grass ルーツ We really need people like Charlie Parker or Kerouac. So sad that they are gone...

+Danielle Thomas A lot of People don`t like Hipster because they connect them to gentrification.

+Danielle Thomas I think you kind of hit the mark. I am not a fan of hipsters but any time I hear someone ranting about them I am turned off with the conversation.

Rage against the society is meant with a pun (from 90's Rage Against The Machine)?

Absolutely.

All art is about showing off one's tastes. Only rarely does a consumer of anything silence his posturing enough to see the moment... This is usually a surreal experience with a "holy shit why is there something rather than nothing." Such gazing into the real strangeness of reality is dangerous. It breaks the weak. Judging that it's wrong to look down on another person is itself looking down on someone. "I judge that it's wrong to judge." How Christian of you. Anyway... This guy lacks testosterone.

Rebecca Hudson It is not a judgement of someone to declare judging is wrong. If I told you that breathing is healthy, I don't actively think of any person currently breathing as healthy for doing so. Go belittle Christians somewhere else.

Those angry folk you are talking about weren't hipsters. You wouldn't label members of the BLM movement hipsters, would you? In the 90s, hipsters were slackers. Hipsters are hobbits. They focus on the luxuries of comfort. When they become (or are made aware) of the world outside the shire and DO something they're no longer a hipster.

Thank you. In the 90's I was considered a "hipster" because I hung out with others who celebrated diversity & refused conformity. We were not part of the Wealthy Elite Capitalists who gentrified our homes. Many of us (myself included) had to move away from our home cities. We are some of the victims of that gentrification, not the Right-wing oppressors who destroyed our lives for a little profit. We were the group where you could find most Socialists.

He was saying that assuming everyone who does what these hipsters do is for the sake of irony and not for the sake of wanting to do them is stereotyping, the same way saying that all French people hate Americans is stereotyping.

+C Goodwin But using that particular anecdote seemed like he was finding a way to boast about having living in France and mingled with French people.

Your thinking to deeply about him mentioning France. He was just trying to show a relatable example of stereotypes by mentioning France and French people. Also, it's fucking France, who hasn't visited that place?

Most working people from my side of the world hasn't visited that place. Just in case you were wondering.

p.d d.p - I haven't. lol

We, as humans, need to categorise, because not one of us is capable to have throughoutly thought-out opinion on everything and everyone. This is why we divide knowledge and skills into disciplines and deal with people via stereotypes. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as one remembers that individual experience based opinions are to override stereotypes and not be defined by them.

Well some stereotypes I've found are at least quite often statistically correct. Poor people, more often than rich people, score lower on IQ tests and can be called less intelligent. That does not mean that poor equals stupid. It's just that a poor person is less likely to be able to pay for education or has to work to stay alive instead of spending his time on studying. This way a stereotype is born without a meant negative implication. It helps to create a baseline on which you can base your experiences with the person. I've found it usually makes me feel like someone exceeds my expectations :) So please know that there is a non-lazy way to look at things you might not personally agree on :)

I imagine the world of comedy would be extremely bland without them.

Nexvox YT differing access to resources, differing access to resources, differing access to resources. culturally biased tests, culturally biased tests, culturally biased tests.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you come from a huge country (Turkey) and have lived in even bigger countries (Russia). I come from a tiny country in eastern Europe and we're all pretty much the same.

well hipsters dont really think theyre more moral, but that they have better tastes and artistic vision than others

you're mixing up sjws with hipsters, although they often coincide.

Whenever people complain about hipster or SJW they are displaying their moral outrage and false sense of moral superiority. Take it down a notch haters.

It's because we are too immersed in it. In about 10 years if we look at our friends, pictures of them and ourselves half of my generation will probably think 'damn we were such hipsters'. hahah.

The Highbrow Gamer Just like shitty on millenials or baby boomers for that matter

I guess he hit a moving target then

Nah they are pretty easy to spot

although there definitely is a common look (the ones that look very ridiculous), where do you draw the line with smaller degrees (having a flannel shirt, mustache, odd haircut, etc)? Furthermore, hipsters are defined by pretentiousness and disdain for mainstream culture; you can't really derive a person's ideologies JUST based on their look.

+coconut7joemanji I'm sorry but you're basing your claims that "Most of them used to be emo's/scene kids back in the early 90's/early 00's" from what? Your own prejudice? You can't just claim things like that and I seriously doubt there is any form of credible research to back up your claim.

From my personal experience most of them were. And being an Emo/Scene kid isn't a bad thing you know? I think someone might be projecting. (I used to be one) Try not to assume the worst in people it'll make you a happier person. Here's a great tip, when someone talks about something in an informal way this usually implies they're expressing an opinion based often on personal experience. Therefore asking said person to back that up with research and then saying that the research wouldn't be credible even if it did exist, Is the intellectual equivalent of going to a comedy show and thinking the comedian personally believes everything they are saying and then accusing them of lying. P.S. "You can't just claim" that someone is prejudiced whenever it suites you. Why not try doing some research but "I seriously doubt there is any form of credible research to back up your claim."

+coconut7joemanji Agreed, most of them were.

@@BrickfallOfficial Good lord this is the most hipster, condescending, elitist and anti-sincerity string of nonsense words I've ever read. "optimism is like nails on a chalkboard" is the kind of thing a desk worker would say before rambling about how much they love espressos.

@@r.jclark4641 That's a paraphrase from a TV show called Nathan Barley - Rise of the Idiots. If you go watch it the whole thing makes sense.

you don't have to fall off a bridge to know your your legs will get shattered; yes having experience may likely lead to wisdom, but intellectual stimulation can lead very often to the same place IMO

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@eleiraeel If you self-identified, you're out of the club.

Self-awareness does make a person more intelligent than they would be if they lack self-awareness. I understand that most people are afraid to admit to their own imperfection, but that is clearly a massive weakness of character, not something to aspire to. No one is perfect, not even you. Introspection is only second to compassion as the greatest quality a human can have.

1. the article makes the assumption that anyone who engages in what is decreed "hipster culture" is doing it ironically, which is obviously not the case, and is what he is arguing against. 2. the article acts as if "hipsterism" is the dominant force in our culture, and is the reason why our generation's legacy will be "stupid videos". he is simply pointing out one example of a recent video that has been incredibly popular, that has nothing to do with either of those observations

your comment is a perfect combination of stuck up and pointless, devoid of any actual substance

+DAVID FOSFORD OH! Thou hast smitten me! My own words have been turned against me! Oh the humanity!

Ayan44 but I would think that there's something wrong about thinking that you're better than everyone.. an attitude I run across very often with those people.

itt: we state opinions as undeniable facts

Ayan44 no a hipster is someone who likes something to purposely seem weird and that's just being fake

617 PuNx: Yeah, not everyone has that same opinion. Men can do what they want with their own faces, and women can choose whether or not something as simple as facial hair is grounds enough for not speaking to them or forming a romantic relationship. Stop stating your opinion as if it is a universal fact.

Liking something just because is a bit James Dean-ish... Rebel without a cause. To like something with a truly personal reason is great, but many people stating to be hipsters in my social circle just seem to be doing it for the kicks or an overly deep longing to... well... belong

i agree.

I noticed that too! lol

Khrene Cleaver is great for urban economies

No it isn't....

@@davidsolt9669 I don’t want to go downtown and see some new overpriced coffee shop called bean water

Or you're just butthurt because he's lived in France so you perceived it that way...?

I noticed in your profile picture and uploaded videos that you don't seem to be a racial/ethnic minority. So why are you speaking for them?

+Sailor Barsoom Read what this guy wrote: Hipsters are not about irony. They are about hypocrisy. Brag about vinyl record collection... doesn't own a vinyl record player, keeps all music on MacBook. Yammer about how antique stuff is superior to modern contrivances... have nervous breakdown if the keep the same iPhone for three months straight. Eat kale, ride bikes, talk non-stop about how gluten is bad for you... spend the weekend snorting cocaine in bathrooms. Blog about WalMart is driving away all the local, hard-working business owners... while slurping on coffee from Starbucks. Buy antique, retro-looking t-shirts with pre-faded logos from a bygone, pre-internet era... from an online catalog. Hipsters are the distilled essence of all the phoniness of every counter-culture that has preceded them. The have inverted emptiness and made it into their homes. They are offensive to the degree in which one values honesty.

Ebah OK. So it's not the beard and the quinoa, or even the vinyl and antiques. It's that he talks the game and doesn't actually live it. Like a beatnik who lives with mom and dad and never actually goes out on the road, or a hippie who talks about acid but never takes it, never protests wars, and has a 9to5 job. OK, I get that.

Yeah that's about it right there.

+Ebah I've always had the impression 'hipsters' are for the greater part the adult forms of the late 90's and early 00's punks and emo's. They maintain a taste for underground/non-mainstream culture (especially music), prefer work in cultural or creative fields (including culinary arts) and base their fashion on various bygone decades. They ascribe to some values of the political side of the 80's DIY/Punk movement (environmentalism, vegetarianism/veganism, DIY ethics and aesthetics) but are at the same time, oddly materialistic in their pursuit of analog technology, second hand clothing, antique furniture AND the newest digital gadgets. Nevertheless, I feel that at the base of the elder Hipster (late twenties, early thirties) is not a desire to belong, nor be distinguished, but to have a compound lifestyle that combines their hobbies, tastes, vocations and morals/ethics and reflects their personality. The "hipster uniform", or any sub-culture fashion for that matter, is just a simple visual signal to identify like-minded individuals.

***** True... true...

+Raymond Hearty Whats more "hipster" than a writer for the Sunday New York Times?

+Steve “Steeno” Arredondo yea, i think that's the dream for many of us, i bet nerdwriter too

Raymond Hearty There are mamy other Psychologists that may argue that.

+C.S. Jones The apathetic and "bored" behavior is not an exclusively hipster thing. You see it in many of the more mainstream and self-accepting crowd, in efforts to be cool; rock stars and rappers are known for their nonchalant way of acting. It's generally just a way for people who feel trodden down to find control and acceptance, because it seems to them that the ones who are accepted and in control "don't care". In our minds we can always tell ourselves, "yeah, I don't like apathetic or selfish people, I'd much rather be with those who are passionate and care about me." But in the words of Thom Yorke, "No one likes a smart-ass, but we all like Stars." And frankly, the celebrities or "Stars" don't seem to give a damn.

True

I only am guilty of the MacBook and 90s nostalgia. But I do love dada. So I don't even know what I am.

+MR. Moustache so you're a human being, a person. You're not a stereotype. That's good

+Krzysztof “Kotu” Kotarba and useless...they are really into mainstream society and they are always willing to philosophize on every single behavior they might not like. Please, give us back Ferlinghetti and Kerouac, Parker and Baker, give us back those who could really be "defined" as the pioneers of a movement which roots were really deep and based on freedom and culture. So sad...they are gone, leaving us these bunch of idiots.

Not to mention the men are absolute betas and the fact it is accepted needs to change

Blah, blah there's always one.

Some people actually want to hear a real answer.

I hate it too, if I'm feeling down why would I want everyone to know what makes me upset. On top of that, if you really want to know, what exactly are you gonna do about it? Nothing. So why bother asking. Idk, that's the logical side of my brain talking though.

Agreed. I would say fakeness in general, not just fake hipsters, is the problem.

+Miss Melle sarcasm?

TRUTH!

I thought the definition was to be 'wannabes' as you say, hipsters are trend followers by definition. The problem i guess is that people also use it as a label for anything different so its a stifling label as well and means to shut down creativity. Its also burring of creativity in the sense that hipsters tend to adopt specious aesthetic trends out of artists and even revolutionaries, generally having an upper hand at being social curators rather than being able to imaginatively create, and generally being comfortably high up the income ladder to actually afford to pretend to be 'bohemian' whilst the actual bohemians can no longer afford to do so. I guess i just think of the word less in fashion as 'bohemian' to say what you mean be 'real hipster' its a matter of definitions though. And the 'fake hipster' I guess what was known in Paris as 'bohemian bourgousie' or 'boho chic', its nothing new, existed since about the beginning of the 70s, which is what i think is generally what 'hipster' actually means. It used to mean jazz enthusiasts who were actually 'hip' though so whatever!.

so what is a real hipster?

edm is hipster?

No, its not

a m'urican spotted here

Anthony Cheek the best music is rock and roll and his grandchildren, heavy metal, nu metal, and punk rock.

hipsters hate any form of electronic music. they like vintage and older things. if its not on vinyl and older than them, then they dont wanna listen to it.

TevitaDiary HAY VSAUCE, Michael here.

tru

+The Lukanator He is, it's obvious, and he's so obnoxious... I like his videos though, I guess I'm a masochist.

I agree he is very obnoxious i also enjoy his videos tho

Gacu001 I'm pretty sure that's how everyone feels XD

yeah im the same!!!, like i know he probably is really really obnoxious but ill watch his videos and critics here and there, i probably wouldn't want to him in person tho haha

hahaha my thoughs exactly, he has really good content

I didn't even need to click on your name to know you're in some pretentious Portland band. Banjos and folk rock, right? Suspenders and big beards?

Yes! That is uncanny how you totally nailed it. BTW, we have a song called, "Laneous14 Is An Aborted Fetus." It TOTALLY kills at our artisanal urban ho downs.

Wow, so you're mocking women who have abortions? How very progressive and enlightened of you. Tell me more about your songs making fun of lynched african americans and gay people that are dragged behind pickup trucks. Good thing everyone knows how you like to mock women who have made the brave, tough decision to have an abortion. You straight white males are real pieces of work.

No, Trumptard...I'm mocking you.

Ah so I voted for Trump, huh? That's so much more clever than the right wing's 'Libtard'. I used to volunteer with a group that would accompany women and teenage girls to Planned Parenthood if they had no one to go with them. So they wouldn't have to face the protesters alone. Glad you think it's fine to mock them and make fun of them. You're a real stellar guy. I wonder what those women and girls would think of your hilarious joke? But I guess if I was an official band page with 3 subscribers I would be angry enough at the world to think this sort of humor was edgy. Keep up the good work.

Only a stupid hipster would post such gibberish like you did.

i meant donut sweatshirt😂

OMG you sound so adorable * W *

Voidroamer dude... come on

nonnanevrotica the fascist brand h m are you serious what is fascist about a clothing store? Do you mean capitalist?

Roger Miller This sounds like a bunch of things you made up based entirely on nothing more than glancing at people walking down the street. In short, you don't like them because you wanted to find something to dislike. Which I think is the purpose the term hipster serves, to give people something to project their grievances on. Complaining about hipsters is possibly the least productive and most thought devoid thing anyone can do, right up there with the old person yelling at youths to get off their lawn and turn the rock and roll down.

+Andrew Elk So true, most people don't know it, but there is a new wave focusing on nastalgia