(VOLUME FIXED) Declination Loupes: Designs for Vision vs LumaDent 

Nice! I definitely need that. My DFV loops are supposed to be my backup, but i was just thinking today that if my EPs go down, I'm screwed. 😬 Now if only I can remember to have my OM call to order some tomorrow. Lol Thanks, Eric!

Happy if it helps!

Got a link? Sounds crazy, but I'm certainly curious.

They're great. Really did like them, but decided to use them last week to see if I could visualize a broken component in an implant (I didn't). I felt like I was voluntarily sacrificing my neck for my patient by wearing them. I'm happy to provide my time, but not my health. Probably sounds lame, but that is seriously what is going through my head when I drop my chin to my chest to look through them.

@@bgrutterdds Thank you.

I think your estimation is good. I would have to look to remember, but I think it's a few teeth at a time. Sextant perhaps. Maybe more. Comment again next week when I'm off vacation and I'll check 😉

@bgrutterdds hahaha alright! I will ping you here again later ! Enjoy your vacay!

Back from vacay?

Everything you said is correct. I think it's perfectly reasonable to get proper declination loupes, now. I wouldn't wait. I WOULD suggest doing oral surgery without them, and perhaps any Ortho you get to do. That way you are comfortable in using direct vision if that's ever needed. And those two areas benefit most by large visual field and benefit least from high detail, zoom. For you, I would also consider Andau. Nearly identical to ErgoPrisms, but higher magnification and better/brighter light. You don't need the higher Mag (stick with 5x) but the brighter light would be good. That MIGHT even be cheaper. That said, I really like Lumadent and don't think you can go wrong.

@@bgrutterdds I appreciate the quick and sincere response Dr. Baron. Thank you for your notes, I'll definitely look into them as well as research about Andau. I have purchased my light from Ultralight optics, and I can surely say they are quite powerful and long lasting, and easy to set up on most brands of loupes. Thank you again for your time.

Follow-up to the video, I use the LumaDent 5x for everything. Exams, Anesthetic, Restorative, Endo, and Surgery. Surgery for me includes extractions, implants, sinus lifts, bone grafting, and the occasional soft tissue augmentation (admittedly not my strength).

Flex. Thanks for the reminder to add the link. The Wrap might be great, but I haven't tried it. The biggest difference is that it has a more drastic curvature, protecting the sides of your face. I don't really see the value in what we do, though maybe my assistant might bump into it less frequently. As it stands, it gets bumped once every 3days or so. Not really something I even think of, aside from this moment as I compare the two. I have one for each op. Maybe but one of each and see which you prefer. 🤷

Happy to help!

Just not worth the surprise potential for me. I don't do them daily, so they end up being too hard to schedule effectively: late or wasted time. And I don't really enjoy it.

@@bgrutterdds Makes sense. The ones I see done by regular DDS's have a high percentage of failure anyways, so why not refer them to endo from the beginning? :)

With these loupes, my eyes are unprotected from beneath. Very rarely is there a reflection. Only when I put myself into an awkward position.

I used a pair of 4x for a couple years. They served a purpose. But the frames break down pretty quickly. Though they might have more durable ones with better lenses that don't degrade. Personally, not what I would recommend other than as a backup.

I think it's closer to 60°, but I'm not sure. You don't want 90°, or you'd have to tip your head back to keep from looking at your crotch.

Panorama is just a new version of the old direct view Approach. I only want Declination and my neck is happier for it.

Yep. I wear them for everything.

I have not had any issues. I still cheat at times, but no more than regular Loupes.

@@bgrutterdds Thank you for the reply.

I didn't either. Generally. Only LONG procedures. I did it to protect long-term.

@@bgrutterdds personally i feel that in order to work h12 a microscope is a better choice. Of course it costs much more

That's kinda like saying that I personally feel a Ferrari is faster on that track than a Cadillac. Lol. I've used microscopes. Great for posture. But expensive and inconvenient IMO. Declination Loupes nearly match the posture without the need to move a massive device. Or shell out all that cash.

@@bgrutterdds never used a microscope so i can’t really say. In the end i think it’s a Matter of preference

I still use them. My neck has zero issues. Very pleased. If you want more magnification, look to Andau.

@bgrutterdds thank u so much for ur reply but the most important question that I have is are they worth the price difference and do u ever feel like u need more magnification

100% worth the price. I love them. I do, however, consider getting the 7.2x Andau. Someday...

Will do! So silly the reps have literally ZERO advice for me.

@@bgrutterdds Have you used either of these loupes for larger surgical cases?

Yep. Full arch implants, 3rds, FM Extractions. All good. Standing and sitting.

@@bgrutterdds Thanks for making this video. I learned so much. Give a look into Andau Medical. They Rep Admetec Ergo loupes. Similar but they have a better price and they weigh less. Feel free to send a message if you have any questions.

Yes, I've had probably 6 or 7 people reach out to me about my thoughts on the Andau Loupes. I've not yet seen them. Though the website is intriguing. I'm not sure how to contact you, directly.

I don't have the Andau. But I do use my ErgoPrisms for surgery.

Baron Grutter DDS sorry that’s what I meant . Finding your self able to use them easily for cases that are not guided as well? Great review . I tried the Lumadent at AAP and loved them although they don’t work with my bilumix light

Yeah, don't have issues with the loupes at all. I do wish the light was brighter. Perhaps the Andau light would be Superior. Or a traditional corded light from Lumadent which have historically been amazing.

@@bgrutterdds I have the ergoprisms and Lumadent’s lights. I took the plunge and bought both their wireless and UniLUX corded lights (the one with the magnet). Love the corded light on my Ergoprisms and the wireless on my traditional back-ups (use them for Pedo) . The on/off switch on the corded light is pretty slick. The light intensity is significantly different between their wireless and wired lights (understandable). Thanks for a great review!

Good to know. Thanks. I'll keep the UniLUX in mind.

And would you recommend 5.0x ErgoPrism for a hygienist? (Still in hygiene school and I have 3x from orascoptics)

I would probably stick with 4x for Hygiene. Maybe 3.5x. Lumadent light is nice, but I'm not super impressed with battery life. You'll be swapping batteries (it comes with two) each lunch. I do like it. Just don't love it. I would also look into Andau, if only for their similar, but better light.

I'm still working on that. I assume you mean like custom ear plugs. I've printed some before. Really wasn't to have an audiologist make some custom ones.

@@bgrutterdds Highly recommend it. I love the ones my Audiologist made. They are connected with a clear cord and I can still hear and talk to my patient. The drill and Dryshield are so much quieter now! only $200

Thanks, but I'll probably hold onto them.

Sounds good, thank you for the informative video. Indeed it’s good for the posture and save back