Von Richthofen and Brown (1971) 

It would be an honour to speak to this wonderful veteran.❤

WOW, wish I could’ve listened to him, I have SO much respect for those vets & WW2 is the most fascinating of our times!! Great story, thank you for sharing

Roger Corman!!!

History could be inaccurate too, don't you agree? Historys are written by victors most of the times!

56:10 Notice how easily he reaches for the machine gun handle while maneuvering a loop and barrel roll? Very difficult to get that arm to do that under those G forces.

@@lalthanzualahauhnar4003 True but there are a lot of interviews with the losers that confirm some of the history books. I.E. Japanese soldiers and pilots, German soldiers, American soldiers who lost the War on Terror (haven't seen that history written by the victors, although they are spreading their stories).

Васильевич Доронин Иван I like older movies better

Amen.

No

You’re wrong, the German empire and the kaiser was wrongly portrayed in the movie, fitting the western liberal view in lies.

Movies from Hollywood are crap. British Indian Russian Canadian film's are the ones to watch. Don't waste your time with American. There television sucks also. So stupid.

Could you give me more information about the last generation/descendants of the Richthofens?

He was a great, very brave man. Probably the most well known military person around the world. He was our enemy but I have great respect for him. 👍❤️🇨🇦

@@princessmarshellaaur have you done a search on their genealogy. They are a very prominent family so I’m sure it’s out there somewhere as someone most likely has done it. has done this. I have been doing my genealogy for 35 years so was just wondering. I can help you find them if you want some help.

I would like to visit it one day. Poor guy's grave got moved around all over the place, due to the proximity to the Berlin Wall and the German East/West tensions rising and falling.

@summer45able Actually, we (the USA) were His enemy...he was never our enemy by choice. Germany had already defeated England and agreed to exert no punishment: just return to the way things were before England started the war. Zionists approached the Crown and assured the U.K. that they could STILL win if the USA got involved... USA was still approx 25% of German descent at the time and not hostile about Germany...until the Rothschild Central Bankers of the City of London assigned their Mainstream Media to produce vitriolic propaganda about evil Germans... which effectively turned US public opinion against Germany. (Btw: As to the "sinking of the Lusitania"...it was indeed a spy & war ship...not a commercial passenger ship) . England provoked the USA to enter the war to defeat Germany for their London Central Bankers In exchange for the idea that gave them the new outcome, the Zionists demanded that England seize Arab land in the Middle East and establish a nonbiblical Zion : their payoff. (For what any red pill may be worth to you - I just provided another red pill.)

Jim Jones Z

Jim Jones the flying way better

Is there an estimation of his tally? Do you think he shot down more planes than René Fonck (75)?

Except that it is well known that the Red Baron was taken down by ground fire during the low altitude aerial combat.

Meh

Don't forget Will Barker and Don MacLaren who were also outstanding canadian aces.

Collishaw, who like Richtofen also flew a triplane.

Wow

I totally agree. But I think "The Red Baron" from 2008 also has a really bad screenplay.

Sure it is way more accurate to have the "Kaiser Wilhelm" say "go butcher another 40 of those Sons of bitches" the movie is absolutely hilarious painting Göring as the Bad guy and the death of Voß on the same day Richthofen was injured!! The whole "we need to start preparing vor the next war" holy shit that movie is Stupid

Visually it was fabulous. Historically it was a disaster.

One of the stunt pilots was Derek Piggott who was CFI at my gliding club

No mention of Snoopy anywhere

Yes, good back projection, I wonder how they did it all.

Ok, no or little back projection, the two main actors were trained to fly planes according to wikipedia with stunt pilots doing the fight sequences.

For the time? 1971 was not exactly the dark ages. I remember it well. We had electricity and telephones. We even had horseless carriages.

@@davidzof correct

@@violinoscar And good music

Indelible ? It was more absurd and patronising that anything and the guy playing the Canadian was so hammy at acting !!

@@amblincork the sentiment, you wanker

​@@amblincorkDon Stroud was a good actor. He was in a lot of good stuff.

One of them is famous author Richard Bach, which he relates his experiences of in 'A Gift of Wings'

You just can't enjoy the movie without a smart a** remark, could you?.............its a movie, movies are entertainment, they're to enjoy not to criticize.

Brown didn't shoot upward and from the right like Cedric P did when Cedric killed the Baron from the ground

No,just call when you can

people seem to forget he wrote a letter in the 1930's stating where he fired yet it gets ignored@@wariswrong4920

Mick Mannock had a sneering contempt for the "gentlemanly" attitude. He wanted to kill Germans and referred to his victims as "Flamerinoes". Once bounded into the mess, declaring, "Flamerinoes! Four! SIzzle, sizzle, WONK!"

von Richtofen never flew a Fokker D-VII in combat. While he promoted the design and production, he was killed before the plane was operational. During his service as a pilot, he flew the Albatross D-II, D-III, D-V and the Fokker DR-I.

@@michaeldavison274 Don't forget the Eindecker, plus in the 2-seaters as an observer on the Eastern Front.

@@GeorgeKofman64 He wasn't a pilot then, but an observer. He left the Eastern Front to become a pilot.

Not to mention that he was flying in a Phaltz converted from a Tiger Moth.

There wasnt a single albatros in the movie, it was D.VIIs Pfalz D.IIIa and the Fokker Dr. I for the germans, whole some of the aircraft were changed or painted to look the part

The "Jonathon Livingston Seagull" author was a flier in this?!? Outstanding.

@@KyleCowden He lived at the end of the runway at Powerscourt in Ireland, where the collection of aircraft used in the films were stored and operated. He and the aircraft's owners were good friends

Tell us how it ends.

Geroieg is such a heel in this movie lol

This movie so-so, but The Blue Max is a classic !

Interesting notes, thanks

Lies. Australian propaganda

@Cynthia Trudeau and Deserted Dave: In all likelihood, Richthofen's DR.1 was damaged, so he landed in a field near the brickworks. At this point he may have taken a stray or deliberate machine gun round from the Australian gunners as he tried lifting himself out of the airplane. Based on the entry/exit wounds, it's safe to say that if Richthofen was shot in the air by Roy Brown, his (Richthofen's) landing would instead have been a crash, as a .303 round to the torso would have caused an instant loss of consciousness and death within a minute. 💕🍻 ...and all that other good shit from British Columbia!

He was shot down by an australian gunner ,not by Brown. This not australian propaganda.

​@@vincentlefebvre9255 I'm Canadian, and I agree it is not propaganda. It is rather likely it was Popkin, or one of the other members of the Australian ground forces that fired the round that did him in. Although, it must not be discounted that it was Brown's attacks on Richthofen, who was pursuing May, gave May enough time to keep diving away to freedom, before Richthofen could resume pursuit. By that time they were much lower, allowing the ground fire. I would call it an unintended collaborate effort. Really, it was Richthofen who got Richthofen killed: he broke his own cardinal rules of air combat. He was obviously burnt out from constant patrols and unfocused, which led to his demise. Maybe it was just as well Göring replaced him, as Richthofen would have been a far more formidable air strategist for the Allies to contend with in the next world war (if he had gone along with the German political power at the time).

@@oscarsalesgirl296 he was shot from the side.

Intentional? Yeah, probably.

@@mikewashington88 they all died happily ever after.

The butler did it.

Marlene Dietrich kills him in the courtroom after he gets off.

Maybe a quarter 🤔 On a good day.

@@michaelhearne3289 Never, more like 0. Plus not Brit either.

Thank goodness. We’d have to degrade the quality of our beer to appease the Canuck palate.

Cheap insult. What about dual citizenship? Same goes for Brits down there.

Ive never met an American that considers himself half Canadian

My grandad never saw this movie, he was a medic in WW II.

Really

He was the guy in the back dancing at 1:10:02

@@castairl9815 thanks for pointing it out, it's good movie indeed

Can’t believe that comment is 1 year old lol

I did not see the ending of the red German plane who was Von something? Director did poor job!

Air Combat is the closest you can get in modern warfare to knights on a battlefield. Or at least it was in WWI and WWII. With technology today they can kill from miles away and never actually see who they are killing.

@@ninline2000 Interestingly/ironically enough the most successful pilots in both WWI and WWII adhered to the "minimum-effort/maximum-kill" tactic which relied on surprise, superior altitude, speed and good aiming. They wanted to avoid dogfights at all costs. Take the most successful allied ace of WWI, René Fonck. His preferred method of downing German aircraft was the superior speed of his Spad, a surprise attack from behind and excellent marksmanship. While many considered him a tiresome braggart those who flew alongside him in a battle claimed that he was "deadly accurate" and finished off the German planes using few bullets. As such Fonck truly understood what his role as a fighter pilot is. The German ace Erich Hartmann in WWII also considered dogfighting "a waste of time" and avoided it as much as he could. He is the all-time ace-of-aces. Btw Medieval knights weren't so chivalrous either, unless it was a man-on-man duel for honor or "God's will" (as they believed God would make the righteous part the winner). On Medieval battlefields knights showed no pardon neither to enemy knights nor regular foot-soldiers. Downed knights were swiftly killed by thrusting a pointed dagger through the few open gaps of their armor or use some halberd to pierce the armor with brute force. That being said one thing *is* true for WWI and WWII pilots. Since enemy planes were downed using either machine-gun or cannon fire and the pilot aimed the shots by positioning the plane the pilots had to be really good at flying and aiming - as those things were intertwined. When air-to-air guided missiles emerged it appeared as if this skill was no longer needed since a pilot could rely on the radar looking the missile on the enemy aircraft if he got close enough. The missile then homes in on the target and it's bye-bye. Unfortunately this turned out to be a disaster during the Vietnam War and when the pilots ran out of missiles they had difficulties fighting the enemy jets. The hard lessons learned from thinking dog fights was a thing of the past in the Vietnam War led to the establishment of United States Navy Fighter Weapons School (popular name Top Gun) in 1969. That being said for modern jet fighters superior radar and superior missiles still is a huge advantage.

Red Baron was a gentleman in brutual war. He prob in another life was a Germanic knight fighting Muslim Raiders

Yes it was good, the Blue Max was better.

Did not want Australians too steel the show!

and also cut off the start of the film. The start and end of the orginal film shown about twenty years later in the thirties when a young son of a Nazi brownshirt were put in a roundabout while his father went to the Nazi party meeting in a taravan and being looked after by a roundabout owner none other than the former comrade of the baron while waiting for his father to return.

Someone else has uploaded the end of the movie.

Werner Voss was 10 times better.

Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!

@@teethadore WOOF!

Don Stroud is a terrible actor...no character...unemotional.

@@josephkilburn No I think he is cool

Roger Corman wrote his book "How I made a hundred movies in Hollywood and Never Lost a Dime." He paid for one helicopter to be blown up, shooting it with about twenty cameras. He then hired editors to use this footage for at least two dozen movies. If he ever really had to spend money on a shot, you can bet he wasn't going to use it in just one movie.

One of them would be posted in Canada and met Will Barker , another famous canadian ace .

the Krauts? Oh Sam... Oh sam...

The highest U.S. ace, Rickenbacker, was a family friend of my great grandparents and grandparents.

The Baron was shot through the back, no way ground fire could do that.

@@mckessa17 Some more reading required.

@@davidlawrence74 No none necessary.

What then, if hypotetically thought, could have happened, if Rittmeister survived the war? German noble people kept Hitler as an street screamer ("österreichische Schlapperschwanze" = translated: a man from Austria, who painfully needs Viagra), although they too were afraid of communists.

No wonder I fell asleep. But I re-watched ti again.

Well thanks,maybe you can produce better?

@@M-H433the film makers have admirable skills I don't have. Where I could help is as an advisor regarding the history and insights into the characters of that period. I hope they are not discouraged, this is a learning opportunity, I'm sure their films will get better and better.

Hem! The Director , and , Producer created this Biplane Movie in 1971, which is Approximately 53 FIFTY THREE YEARS OLD. There is at least One Other Biplane First World War Movie created at The Same Time, Possibly Two Other Similar Biplane Movie's created at the Same Time, Using The Same Biplanes, possibly using the Same Biplane Stunt Pilots,. The Blue Max. And, the Second Additional Movie Title i just cannot remember off the tip of my tongue. But, these Biplane World War Two Movies were created and Directed + Produced in IRELAND in The 1970's, at a isolated old or former British Military Camp in Southern IRELAND. As Flying in Biplanes takes skill, Courage + More...Many Parts Of The Flying Scenes were interesting. It was a pity that no one thought to Create a Visitors Experience with The Biplanes which remained after the Filming completed. The Former British Camp in on the side of the Main Road, where Thousands Of Passing Vehicle's might stop for a Biplane Experience each Day, or, just for a Tea or Coffee or meal, after viewing the Remaining Biplane's. However, Fifty Three Year's after The Film was Completed, it is just a missed opportunity. Elsewhere around Earth such Sites draw Crowds of Visitors, which benefit's their local Economies. Ireland has many International Film Credit's, some Directors + Producer's have even Offered the Film Sets Free to A United Community Benefit, which prevents breakup of Community, if only one person benefitted. Such Director + Producer Offers would also Save the Film Production from the Huge Expense of deconstruction of Film Sets. Therefore Win Win Intended Community Benefit. This is mentioned because International Films are in Production in IRELAND every Year, And, A Win Win Benefit is Always Helpful to Local Communities, in 2023.

Yes someone commented on that on another YT clip.

No one knows that for sure. The bullet dug out of the Baron was a standard .303 mg round. Used in aircraft and ground fired machine guns.

Answer to that question depends on whether you are Australian or Canadian!😂

Where is your evidence? Prove it? Substantiate or withdraw.

Here's an interesting theory which has been brought up lately: While there indeed only was a single bullet wound which had entered the baron's body from the side there's a "small problem" of how von Richthofen was able to live for long enough to fly and land his triplane and still be found barely alive by the first Australian troops which reached his downed aircraft. The wound was so severe it should have killed him in 40-60 seconds. But these events took longer. Australian gunner Cedric Popkin does indeed report of firing at the baron's plane but *only* as it was approaching him, not as it passed him exposing the side. While Popkin was indeed in the right place to have fired this lethal shot his report doesn't mention him firing into the side of the plane. So one hypothesis is that Captain Roy Brown fired at Richthofen's plane and a bullet damaged some part of the engine forcing the baron to make an emergency landing. Brown does recall the plane flying "erratically" after he fired a burst at it. As Australian infantry spotted the baron's plane landing many of them fired on him. It's even possible some infantryman took a shot at the plane just as it had landed. This shot killed him but wasn't the reason he was brought down. Since the Australian soldiers took von Richthofen's plane apart for souvenirs the plane itself couldn't have been thoroughly examined for one or several bullet holes. If so this explains how von Richthofen was able to land his plane and how he was still barely alive by the time the infantry had reached his downed plane. This means that Roy Brown might have "shot down" Richthofen after all (they counted downed planes, not killed pilots) but the shot which killed him came from infantrymen on the ground as the plane came in for an emergency landing.

That is not true. Brown killed the Baron.

As was The Blue Max some years before

Yep, the countryside below were not of the French countryside, more like either the Irish or British countryside. Too many hedges. In France there were less hedges and more open spaces.

You have a beautiful country!

This is WHAT happens when ASSHOLES get their hands on cult films like this one.

True. My Grandfather was an Aeronautical Inspector for the Royal Flying Corps from 1917 onwards. He said the Sopwith Camel needed 'extreme flying skills' pulling out of a dive. He lost his leg as a 20 year old Sergeant with the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders , Ypres, June 1915...yet only 15 months later was retrained and deployed with the Royal Flying Corps!

That's why there are so few Sopwith Camels left. Simple aeronautics tells you that a short plane is less stable than a long one. It might be harder to hit because of smaller size and inherent instability, but only the newbies got them. EOS. Snoopy had a Sopwith Camel as a bit of a joke in Peanuts. It was his doghouse.

My Grandad also served in Argyll,s and he often told me storys about life in the trenches especially the day when he found your grandads leg ...

If this film was accurate. They would of had the red baron being killed by an Australian infantry soldier

yes, but this was before the australian infantry bullet theory became as substantiated as it has become today with the new modelling they have done on it..

Robert Townsend oh! Thank you I was terrified for them just in the opening sequence I can’t watch it now

From Wikipedia: On 15 September 1970, Charles Boddington, a veteran of both The Blue Max and Darling Lili, was killed when his S.E.5 spun in during a low-level manoeuvre over the airfield. The next day, during the last scheduled flight on the shooting schedule, Garrison and Stroud were involved in a low-level sequence across Lake Weston in a Stampe, when a jackdaw struck Garrison in the face, knocking him unconscious. The aircraft then ran through five powerlines, snap rolled and plunged into the River Liffey inverted. Garrison and Stroud were rescued from the water. Stroud was uninjured, but Garrison required 60 stitches to close a head wound. Both incidents occurring in such a short period resulted in Irish authorities grounding the production. Corman lobbied for restoration of flying and a few days later, was successful.[14]

Brown was not a major ace unlike so many fantastic canadian aces.

got richtofened

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No he used their crashes as footage . He was pissed at the lossnof fighters .

I have no clue, where the scenes are originally from, but theres a couple of them used in Aces High and the Blue Max (like the Mid-air crashing S.E.‘s)

+Andrew Lewis Read the Description- 'story by Joyce Hooper Corrington and John William Corrington is largely fictional'

Richard Bach was one of the pilots in the movie. Among others, he flew the plane which "shot down" the Red Baron. I read about it in his book "A gift of wings". It showed that filming the action was almost as dangerous as the real thing.

Please do. There is nothing line excess information, the life blood of the internet😀

'nothing LIKE' of cause. Sorry

definitely ground fire by an aussie gunner named Snowy, angle of the bullet proved that & the nature of the wound....

The Fallen Madonna by Van Klomp.

What, Zee Germans!

Sees gottdäm Zörmanns!! I wud leik tu sänk wery matsch vor se gut Bier!

I was just about to make the same comment. It somehow makes the film irrelevant.

it doesn't even make any difference what colour the bullet was.

It may have been a ground soldier that shot him but it was Captain Brown who knocked him out of the sky for the soldier to be able to take the fatal shot

The argument of exactly who killed von Richtofen led to a formal autopsy, which found that it was a bullet from the ground fire that actually killed him. However, if Brown hadn't chased the Red Baron down to low level, the troops in the trenches would never have gotten a shot at him. Call it half to Brown and half to the Aussies in the trenches. Neither did it alone.

@@michaeldavison274 Formal autopsy called it that the bullet came from Brown's MG. But British doctors also prescribed laxatives for PTSD at the front lines and told the chaps to hold it together. The calibers were all the same (303 if I recall correctly) - rifles, ground and aircraft MG. The theory now is that MG fire would be a super lucky shot from almost a mile out, but a rifle would be a much better shot. Put intended. Brown was 45 seconds behind MvR, which is a LOOOONG time. Next time you are chasing someone on a freeway, mark your watch and try to catch them in 45 seconds following speed limit, then increase speed by 10 MPH, then by 20. etc. Top speed of those planes was not very high. DRI was 102 MPH per datasheet, which at full throttle is 15-20 MPH slower than the competition. You get the idea. MvR was in the midst of a chase, likely blinded by "red fog or mist." Those involved in Motorsports are unfortunately familiar with the reference. The likely reason why the Brits gave the victory to Brown is to demoralize the Germans. MvR was a cross between a G-d and a rock star to the ordinary soldiers in the mud of WWI trenches and people back home. Having him be killed by a British pilot would be devastating. Ground fire, while still terrible, is more understandable. Either way, he was turned around and on his way back when mortally wounded. Another pilot, Rudolf Stark, Jasta 34, was engaged in a fight a few miles away and saw the incident unfold. He thought MvR either ran our of fuel, was wounded, suffered mechanical issues or damage because he landed the plane as DRI would not land by itself with a dead pilot. The type of wound MvR suffered caused him to bleed out within 45 seconds (+/-). With Capt Brown being far behind, and MvR breaking off the attack and coming around the 2nd MG position to give them a SECOND chance at him (on his way back), it is doubtful Brown had much to do with it. Perhaps this is why he never commented on this most famous aerial dual post-war, other than "let the record speak..." This by no means detracts from Capt Brown's achievements - he did down other Imperial German aircraft as well, just not DRI 425/17. But if MvR would have survived the war, who knows what role he may have played in the future of Nazi Germany. Just look at what happened to Hermann Göring who took over JG1 afterwards. Can you imagine MvR being a part of the Nazi war machine?

What the Americans call "the golden B.B."

Damn aussie, mastering deflection shooting perfectly.

He was our Hero

Do you really know that or is it something you imagine you know from watching films?

The Barron was noted for being a cold blooded killer. He would also straff the plane on the ground after it crashed to make sure the pilot was dead. I read this in many books, many times.

@@channelfogg6629 I read many books about world war 1 air combat. There was some respect, but not always and the Red Barron was noted for being a cold blooded killed. He would also shoot at the plane on the ground to make sure the pilot was dead.

yes those things did happen, but not always. The Red Barron was not as nice as you think, read my other comments.

kystars did you read The Red Fighter Pilot, an autobiography of the Red Baron? He was a hunter, out for a good hunt. However, he considered his brother Lothar a killer and said so many times in his autobiography. Try the book. It’s a dry read, very Prussian. But a good read it is. Guy comes across like an aristocratic ass who went to war with a servant. Then try Earnest Udet’s Knight of the Iron Cross where he describes “the Captain,” and you truly get a different dimensional view. Yes, he was an aristocrat. But so were many other early aviators. But he was a gentleman as well as a professional soldier in the German Officer Corps.

100% agree Ace's High is streets ahead of all other WW1 flying movies for authenticity.

What an interesting childhood hero.