Vortex Spitfire HD Gen II Prism Scopes 

Definitely, i'm seeing some 3x on the secondhand market.

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TBH ACOG is better. I have both, the eye relief for splitfire 5X is bad...

The eye relief on the 3.5x ACOG is slightly worse than the Spitfire 5x, and the famous 4x is much worse, like 50% worse. If you said, “I like the Schott glass, the brightness of the reticle, and its combat record, and that means more to me than measurable data.” you would have valid criticism. But that is not who you are. You’re a keyboard warrior that does’t own either optic, and I can tell because you said obviously inaccurate things.

​@@jackjmaheriii Well, I have a 3x ACOG (TA33), and as an Army Veteran, I know what I'm talking about. There's a reason why the Spitfire 5X was on sale at PSA for $199 last year. That's also where and when I bought my Spitfire, and now I'm considering selling it. I must admit, you're a better keyboard warrior than me :)

There are two families of ACOG 3x, both have shorter eye relief and smaller FOV than the spitfire, so you’re still wrong. “As a veteran…” is an appeal to authority so you’ve also committed a logical fallacy. Also, I’m active duty.

My thought exactly when they finished describing the test. Well; that's a new stage at 2GACM and Brutality matches. For Brutality I imagine it paired with multiple targets and variable target engagements much like a few other stages have included. Like 4 targets and 2 spinners and you engage different ones based on whether your rifle and pistol have serial numbers that are odd or even or add up to an odd or even number and which version you get is based on a roll of a dice or something. Something that includes mental stress and choosing targets based on that mental stress. Unfortunately you can't really spin a spinner when you have to move positions between shots; at least as a stage event in a competition that is expecting people to finish the stage (I'm sure there is at least one person who thinks they could spin a spinner whilst doing the Kasarda drill), but, I could easily see having two targets and a spinner and having to alternate between the static targets and the spinner. As in hitting one of the statics, spinner, other target, spinner before going for the first static again.

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I looked through the 3x in person, you nailed the description at borderline unusable. I'd like to get something similar to the 3x for a 10/22 as I think it'd be a killer combo.

I know its over video. Over video its a hard pass. Might as well just have been a high powered dot.

The portion with the reticle …. had me going …. What reticle?

I'm confused about these "small reticle" comments. The reticle is sized based on the ballistics of the 5.56 round. If it weren't this size, it wouldn't be an accurate BDC. What am I missing?

@@brandonreed70 The actual thickness of the lines and the horsehoe outer ring could be increased, making it much easier to see, without effecting the graduation scale at all. The lines are so fine they are barely visible.

I personally use a spitfire 1x on my AR and the main pro for me is the etched reticle. Any red dot has potential to run out of battery, the etched reticle is always there.

They usually say they prefer red dots, I think they like the 1x

@@rollastudent right, that's why I called his standby. There's functionality differences between them.

@@MrOystaCatz at reported 50K'ish, let's just call it 30K, hours on a battery, I'm not terribly concerned about battery life, especially with the availability of solar panels on them.

@@MrOystaCatz Another plus for me that the etched reticle supplies is I think it is clearer for me. I have some astigmatism and the holographic reticles tend to be fuzzy, where as the illuminated etched ones are easier to see.

Optimistic, but it sells to the crowd that sig thought needed a color coding scheme to match accessories to guns 🤦 on the other hand, what else can they offer for reticles? A simple boring dot? Technically all you need is a 1-2 moa dot. Zero a little high at 100 and you're fine for dot shooting distance. But the market thinks they need a bdc (that's probably not exact) for shooting 25-100 yard paper and steel so they buy stuff like this.

The reticle was too small on the gen 1 Cyclops but the gen 2 is perfect.

I'd assume everything they said in the 2017 mostly still applies. I know Karl's still a huge fan of his Holosun (which is both great and suck; I had a defective Holosun the company absolutely refused to work with me on and it soured me on the entire brand), and the other optics they tested back then were all fine. Frankly I'd mostly just look at their optic reviews, and reviews you trust from other sources on other opticsa, and figure out what works for you. The Stoner guns aren't so different from baseline AR-15s that they need special-snowflake optics, at least not ballistically. Best rifles in their class by a wide margin, but still shooting the same round from the same length of barrel.

@@yurei8368 i know, but a lot of optics came out in the meanwhile and I was curious about which one, in their opinion, fits the purpose of the rifle the best. Not because it needs it, just because it complements it well

@@lordhellfire153 thanks! Which month’s Q&A was that?

@@lordhellfire153 thanks! I would love the accupoint or the acss holosun, but not of them are unobtanium here in Italy, so I wanted to know if they recommended anything else

It certainly rewards quick accuracy & 'field focus'

I've used the PA prisms extensively and have a 5x Spitfire Gen 2. The Spitfire is much lighter but the glass is fairly comparable. The PAs have excellent glass for the price. I also have owned a TA31 ACOG, which crushes the cheaper optics on FOV but loses on eye box.

Hah! I just purchased the 5x for my X95 and wound up here for reviews. Nice to know. Edit* It was half off on Palmetto so I couldn't pass it up lol.

Docter, Eotech MRDS, Insight, Meopta, Vortex Venom/Viper, Burris Fastfire III share a mounting platform as far as I'm aware. I have a MRDS on top of mine.

EGW also makes an adapter that allows mounting of RMR footprint optics on top, but does add a little bit more height as well.

AT3 also has one that fits - that's what I have on mine.

Any updated thoughts?

With the piggy backed RDS, rather than moving from cheek to chin weld, you can simply rotate the rifle just the same as you would for an offset RDS. Rather than looking through the offset RDS with your right eye (assuming right handed shooter), you are looking through the piggy backed RDS with your left eye. The only problem with this approach is the height over bore, which will have a greater effect on POA / POI than you would have with on offset RDS. At close quarters, however, the difference is trivial - unless you're counting on those hostage head shots. Past the point of zero, this starts to become a problem, as the round is drifting and dropping at a very odd curve relative to your sight. But if you zero your RDS out to 50 or 100, all of your quick engagement range targets are going to be within that initial shrinking triangle that goes from about a three inch base at the rifle to a point at your zero.

I’m pretty sure aimpoint makes one, although it probably won’t be as compact as you’d like

What mount do you use?

That Burris and the older gen Primary Arms, and the original Spirfire prisms are all nearly twice the weight of the newest gen of Spitfire Gen 2 HD and Primary Arms microprisms

That's an awesome gift. Well done! I've put together one and am in the process of assembling the second for my two kids, mostly faithful copies except in 6.5G for a bit more hunting versatility and am pondering the same question. I want to keep it light to not negate the handiness but need some magnification for less that perfect lighting, seeing branches and obstacles, good shot placement, etc. I've got a year until next season and a spare dot and 1x5 so I may mount and play with those in the mean time but I'd love to capitalize on others' experiences too to save time and money avoiding dead ends.

It’s in the queue…

@@SinistralRifleman awesome, looking forward to it 👍

My 1x spitfire and my crossfire red do have been rock solid. Drive mine down grids all the time. Shake my sub2000 around and ever carry it by the optic. I'd call vortex for a warranty claim on your 5x

@@sheslikeheroin1661 Yeah I'm doing that. Just wanted to know if that's a common theme with these new prisms

On other forum discussions with different scope brands and models within those brands that have materials sourced from different places, the chinese glass still ranks in the lower tiers compared to Japanese and euro glass. 🤷‍♂️ The discussion was on prs scopes starting at 2x the price of these though..

EGW makes a plate to convert it to a Holosun or Trijocon RMR!

Russell / KE arms sells them

For shtf scenarios

Weight. The prism with a dot is less than half the weight of a magnifier / red dot combo

@@usarmyisthebest9193 lack of batteries is a dumb reason to go with a suboptimal optic with eye relief when red dots have batteries that last five years or more and then have a solar backup. A handful of batteries will last longer than you’ll ever need them to.

For people that don’t shoot often or don’t shoot a specific rifle often, not having batteries is a good option for some people. Yeah I can change batteries easily and keep extras in all my range bags and the storage compartment on the rifle, but I still have irons for the case where I need it immediately and a battery is dead.

Yeah I run sigs romeo & juliet combo, so I really don't see the use for any of the 3x and with 5x optics you might as well just go for the tango 6 or any competing 6-8x optic at that point it's really not much more.

Probably wasn’t worth the trouble.

because KE Arms doesn't make or stock a polymer ejection port cover

Depends on what your use is. If you expect nearly all shooting to be red dot only, then it's a good idea for versatility. If any significant portion would benefit from magnification, then just get an LVPO or a prism imho. I had the Vortex Micro 3x + Holosun 515 (their WWSD project setup) and sold it in favor of a simple 3x prism. Haven't looked back since.

It’s the SHTF Wrap available from KE Arms so you can hold your handguard comfortably without gloves in the AZ heat, or after dumping mags.

Is the eye relief a problem with the fixed stock?

@@Tornado1861 for me, no, but I have a long neck. If you're in a position where eye relief is a problem you have a 2.26 height heads up red dot right there.

KE Arms SHTF wraps by the looks of it

Looks like a FlashGitz sticker. They send then out to their channel supporters.

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