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How Ray Tracing Works • How Ray Tracing (Moder...
Ray Marching • Ray Marching, and maki...
Teardown • Teardown Trailer
Atomontage Engine • Atomontage Engine - A ...
Fast Voxel Traversal: citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...
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@skyr3x
@skyr3x 11 месяцев назад
its crazy that voxel technology has gotten so far that you were able to create an entire real life dog out of them
@gloopington
@gloopington 10 месяцев назад
Nice pfp
@stanleybochenek1862
@stanleybochenek1862 10 месяцев назад
voxel boxel boxy voxel idk
@kaiherron
@kaiherron 9 месяцев назад
ruby da cherry
@ar9rnr
@ar9rnr 8 месяцев назад
Its a doxel
@antonpieper
@antonpieper 11 месяцев назад
I would like to know more about how teardown rasterizes its voxels! This is very interesting and well presented👍
@top.of.reddit
@top.of.reddit 11 месяцев назад
I don't have time for a lot of details - But they don't use meshes for resterization, they use Raytracing to directly draw pixels in, so no meshes.
@kayvolbeda8669
@kayvolbeda8669 11 месяцев назад
Teardown uses a normal rasterizer to render cube meshes that represent the bounds of objects. Then in the pixelshader of those cubemeshes it traces rays into a 3D texture to determine if a voxel is solid or not, and what material properties that voxel has (8bits per voxel). You can find more when you google for the blogpost called: Teardown frame Teardown
@top.of.reddit
@top.of.reddit 11 месяцев назад
@@kayvolbeda8669 Teardown absolutely does not use any kind of resterization
@7BitsPerByte
@7BitsPerByte 11 месяцев назад
It does, but in a very interesting way. It uses rasterization for ray generation basically, and then runs ray tracing in each fragment shader.
@kayvolbeda8669
@kayvolbeda8669 11 месяцев назад
Yeap very similar to if you were to use parallax occlusion mapping or some volumetric fog/cloud techniques.
@Finding_Fortune
@Finding_Fortune 11 месяцев назад
Whats nutty is Teardown is made in opengl 3.3, so it doesn't have any compute shaders! Teardown is a contender for the most innovative engine out there, its still mostly over my head
@selectionn
@selectionn 10 месяцев назад
innovative in some ways sure, but the game itself is visually very low quality, no matter your settings the game will look quite bad and run even worse. its not going to get licensed for a new game anytime soon because of how badly it runs on even high end hardware
@edu7979
@edu7979 10 месяцев назад
@@selectionnbro what
@jackysbin3860
@jackysbin3860 10 месяцев назад
@@selectionn​​⁠you’ve never played it have you I’ve got a gtx 1050 bro, base game, no mods just the campaign my fps stays above 30 with a fucking gtx 105 The level of optimisation is insane and it looks beautiful still It’s got a sort of unintended style to the game which is timeless unlike realistic games which nowadays (gollum.) run shit and get outdated in 3 years time and it’s shaders/ambience only adds to it Get an hour of gameplay in before you talk ong 💀
@RawbLV
@RawbLV 10 месяцев назад
​@@selectionnYou are playing a very old version.
@alphenex8974
@alphenex8974 10 месяцев назад
To be fair Fragmentation shaders are fast enough
@MINIMAN10000
@MINIMAN10000 11 месяцев назад
You started so basic that I didn't think I'd learn anything and then around half way in you started dropping some modern tricks, honestly wasn't expecting signed distance fields being used for raytracing optimization that's pretty cool.
@jal051
@jal051 7 месяцев назад
Octrees are a pretty old space partition trick. It's one of the primary space partition techniques used for collision detection.
@ForeverZer0
@ForeverZer0 11 месяцев назад
Using ray-tracing is for this is actually pretty clever, and up until recent advancements in GPU's, I would have never imagined possible. On a standard laptop monitor, that is still 2073600 ray-trace ops per frame, so still going to require decent hardware to keep up, but going forward as hardware continues to get beefier, that become a standard way of doing it. Until then I am just going to continue packing as much data as I can into integers with bit-shifting/masking and keep the payload as small as possible, as well as employ every technique I know to cull vertices that won't be visible.
@kittyhawk3011
@kittyhawk3011 11 месяцев назад
what? voxel raycasting (aka 1-hit raytracing) has been around for ages, see Voxlap engine (early 2000s) and Ace of Spades game (2011). it's implemented on the cpu side though.
@ForeverZer0
@ForeverZer0 11 месяцев назад
​ @kittyhawk3011 I was unable to find anything of the sort in the source code, though I just scanned it briefly, so am fully open to admit I am wrong. The OpenGL renderer (GLMapChunk.cpp) definitely isn't doing it, just the standard approach of uploading vertex data directly to the GPU with glBufferData after checking if the block is solid, etc, nor is it done later in the respective shaders. Just run-of-the-mill voxel rendering like how everyone does it.
@jcm2606
@jcm2606 10 месяцев назад
Voxel and signed distance field ray marching are both deceptively fast, especially with the correct optimisations as mentioned in the video (plus more, don't think the video mentioned sparsity which involves not even storing empty regions of the grid in memory). The slow parts of the raytracing seen in AAA games in the last few years is the ray-triangle and ray-box intersection tests used to check if a ray has hit a triangle and an arbitrarily sized box respectively, as there's just a lot of computation that goes into both of those algorithms. Voxels don't use triangles and can take advantage of the fact that they're within an axis-aligned regular grid, and signed distance fields quite literally give you the distance to the nearest surface which lets you skip a *lot* of space with no extra effort during the march.
@tomislavbunjevcevic9912
@tomislavbunjevcevic9912 10 месяцев назад
@@kittyhawk3011 what about delta force? it was published back in 1998... it ran on voxel engine.
@joshjones5172
@joshjones5172 10 месяцев назад
@@kittyhawk3011 yup nothing new nvidia just remade an old idea and claimed it was revolutionary, just like apple does even though they are years behind. Ray tracing is also in more games than people realize, minecraft for example has native ray tracing and VR support.
@Pope_
@Pope_ 11 месяцев назад
Its videos like this that i really love, you arent trying to explain every different algorithm and optimization method and such, you simply explain the concept behind how it is done and some basic ideas behind how it might be optomized. I dont nessicaraly need to know every detail as to how something like this is done, knowing the basics makes me confident that with enough time i could figure out how to set a system up like this for myself. Just enough detail to teach me what it is without so much that it trys to teach me how it is done. Major props, you have earned a subscription.
@nocultist7050
@nocultist7050 11 месяцев назад
Voxelstein 3D is much older and has much smaller voxels.
@2rr0s
@2rr0s 11 месяцев назад
Amazing video, if there were more on this subject in detail (voxels: SDFs, smoothing algorithms, physics, lighting, etc.) it'd be an amazing resource.
@joelpaddock5199
@joelpaddock5199 7 месяцев назад
I commend everyone over the years for having the discipline to refrain from creating and naming an algorithm "FAst Ray Trace" FART
@tatecheddar
@tatecheddar 2 месяца назад
There wasn't any environmental destruction involved, but voxel tech goes WAY back as far as I'm aware to 1998 when a game called Delta Force came out for PC. It was pretty revolutionary for the time. I remember my PC couldn't handle it very well, but I was impressed by it.
@hellomynameisrodney
@hellomynameisrodney 11 месяцев назад
I always liked Trove for the size of its blocks. I wondered how it could do what it does and be less of a data hog as Minecraft can be. Trove had light blocks, glow blocks, semi-transparent blocks etc etc and "shiny" blocks. It had a lot of visuals that I wished Minecraft had. Even with some of the mods that come out, they don't do it as well--and then the worry is if they'll continue updating that mod when a new release comes out. Even then, the size of the blocks stay the same. I think the block ratio is about 5 blocks on Trove is 3 blocks on Minecraft. For a long time, I'd prefer making my voxel art in Trove even though I really, really liked the idea of using Minecraft because of things like World Edit and use of shaders. I am a creative player, I have dabbled in survival but while I've beaten the dragon, surveyed the End, creative mode is where my heart is. Trove... it's more or less collecting resources to build your worlds and build your many classes (I was a Gunslinger and Candy Barbarian but dabbled in Ninja and Shadow Hunter-my first was Chloromancer.) I would build massive structures in people's worlds and get in-game currency for it. I did what I loved and got paid for it. It was great. I tried Creativerse and other voxel games but I still would wish that a really good game, Minecraft, could implement just a smidge of Trove. I love learning how these games orchestrate code into visible results. Fascinating, really.
@UltimatePerfection
@UltimatePerfection 11 месяцев назад
You should really check out Blockscape. It has voxels the size of 25 centimeters, meaning 4x smaller than Minecraft's. But it also has stuff like slopes, slabs, etc. which means that you can really get detailed in your builds.
@RePorpoised
@RePorpoised 7 месяцев назад
Hmmm, trove seems to limit how much terrain is generated, so that there's a much smaller demand. The draw distance is similar to Minecraft's limit on mobile phones. That's probably key in maintaining its performance. After all, the performance demands grow explonentially with draw distance. Dunno about specific tech though.
@palmberry5576
@palmberry5576 6 месяцев назад
@@RePorpoisedyeah, I turned up the render distance and graphics a bit, and my rtx 3070 started to struggle in a mostly empty club world
@thewhitefalcon8539
@thewhitefalcon8539 6 месяцев назад
Cube 2 has variable voxel size
@gandeldalf
@gandeldalf 10 месяцев назад
I needed such a channel, just explaining how the concept works and showing some ideas makes it so much better to understand than someone trying to teach me how it is done with every information that I will forget the next day. I hope you succeed growing on RU-vid so I can watch more videos of yours
@Pixels...
@Pixels... 8 месяцев назад
I just started the video but, in the thumbnail, it looked like Minecraft's HUGE voxels were improved to smaller voxels however while Minecraft looks like blocks, they are polygons in the shape of a cube not voxels. There are some ways to the inside of a few blocks, and they have no texture from the inside meaning you can see through them from the inside if Minecraft was voxel based it would have texture inside as voxels are 3 dimensional. (What I mean by 3 dimensional is that they aren't just flat textures with no depth) Edit: I just fixed a parenthesis
@Wylie288
@Wylie288 7 месяцев назад
They are voxels. Voxels are and ONLY are a grid of volumes. Yes. That grid of volumes CAN be used directly by the render pipeline. But those voxels can also be converted to polygons and rasterized. Voxels are NOT a render method. Voxels are a form of data storage USED by render methods. And them being data storage, they can be used in other ways too. Like minecrafts voxels just simply holding world data.
@pathway4582
@pathway4582 7 месяцев назад
Nice video. Just one thing, Minecraft is not based on voxels, it uses a standard rasterization based engine. The blocks aren't represented by voxels either.
@Wylie288
@Wylie288 7 месяцев назад
Voxels are just a grid of volumes. You CAN use the volumes and ray marching to render it without polygons. But that's not what voxels are. Its just a common way to render them. Voxels are most commonly used for data storage. Minecraft IS based on voxels. It just ONLY uses them for data storage. It doesn't use them as part of the render pipeline.
@jal051
@jal051 7 месяцев назад
It's space partition is made of voxels, but the rendering isn't.
@pathway4582
@pathway4582 7 месяцев назад
​@@Wylie288 Minecraft stores individual block information in a 3D array. If you think that qualifies for calling it voxel based go ahead, but I disagree.
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
@@pathway4582 How would that not qualify as voxel based? How else would it store voxels?
@IGamer609
@IGamer609 11 месяцев назад
very nice video! very informative and the editing and animations are very nice.
@setaindustries
@setaindustries 11 месяцев назад
Now I have a video to send to people who ask "why can't I turn off raytracing in Teardown 😠😠😠"
@King-Julien
@King-Julien 11 месяцев назад
I love how you linked your video sources in the description, most people don't do this nowadays.
@Mistereee
@Mistereee 11 месяцев назад
awesome video!! im excited to see what other videos you create!
@chasetuttle2121
@chasetuttle2121 8 месяцев назад
This was a very interesting video on a topic I know little about. I am excited to see more of your videos!
@thecookiejoe
@thecookiejoe 7 месяцев назад
As an old person, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear voxels is Outcast. In 1999 a game named Outcast was released and it was (arguably) the first major use of voxels in a game. And for a long time after. The game certainly looked different in 1999s than other games released that year. System Shock 2 and the original Unreal Tournament for example used polygons. I guess voxels still do a good job in a niche. But polygons are what most developers use and I guess there are good reasons for that. The quare meter price alone is 3 times as high for voxels than for polygons.
@NicholasBrakespear
@NicholasBrakespear 6 месяцев назад
Glad someone else is mentioning this. Outcast was a technical marvel really - a lot of people saw the fuzzy edges of the voxels and weren't sold on the idea... but I loved the extra detail in the landscapes, and the visual depth. Where other titles might have flat grass texture on a perfectly flat bit of geometry, and try to hide it with some sprites, Outcast had a soft-looking, naturally uneven grassy surface. And then of course there were the cool snow footsteps and so on. And damn, the water! Three years before Morrowind came along with its fancy pixel shader water visuals, Outcast had glassy, rippling visuals that nobody else could compete with.
@ASpootifulMind
@ASpootifulMind Месяц назад
Here I was going to complain that you're too young to remember NovaLogic and similar endeavours, but then I saw it was about raytracing, which makes it kind of interesting!
@JackAllpikeMusic
@JackAllpikeMusic 8 месяцев назад
This video was really interesting and informative, I loved how high the quality was. Definitely subbing, looking forward to seeing what you make in the future!
@SoimulX
@SoimulX 11 месяцев назад
Btw, for things like procedural terrain generation, using something like marching cubes is probably better than generating crazy-high density voxels.
@7BitsPerByte
@7BitsPerByte 11 месяцев назад
Agree, I will probably cover this at some point in future, marching cubes for procedurally generated worlds is the topic I was researching as well
@SerBallister
@SerBallister 11 месяцев назад
"No man's sky" uses dual-contouring, kind of similar, it allows for sharp and soft edges.
@Wylie288
@Wylie288 7 месяцев назад
@@SerBallister No Mans Sky also has levels of optimization not even a dozen games have seen since games stopped being actual hardware.
@InCaldera
@InCaldera 6 месяцев назад
Anytime I hear someone speaking about the use of voxel's I'm blown away that Ken Silverman's name isn't mentioned (or well known amongst gamers for that matter). His early work with voxels was solid and even Carmack was impressed with his work.
@7BitsPerByte
@7BitsPerByte 10 месяцев назад
Thank you all for all the views, likes and comments! More videos are coming soon, especially after such a huge support from all of you! I really appreciate it! I would also want to address all the future comments regarding "there is actually a ray tracing in Minecraft bedrock". Thank you for pointing this out, I think at this point there are enough comments about this :) The phrasing in the video is indeed inaccurate, I agree. But I think it does not change the main idea of the video - rendering voxel worlds as meshes (triangles) VS rendering voxel worlds using direct ray tracing on voxel grid. Yes indeed you can add ray tracing to a game with mesh rendering, but in my opinion it does not change the core principle of how its graphics work and how objects are presented for the GPU, in contrast to a Teardown where graphics works in a completely different way.
@SemiMono
@SemiMono 7 месяцев назад
Back in the nineties, before GPUs were common place, many games used voxel rendering somewhat similar to this, because yes, it is fast. It's crazy fast. The limiter is not this rendering technique. The things that prevent this technique form going smaller are physics, lighting, and MEMORY.
@vidrax3481
@vidrax3481 6 месяцев назад
Amazing work
@apakwhite2863
@apakwhite2863 10 месяцев назад
Really amazing video!! Thank you for the detailed explanations. I saw a technique on the internet that uses a perspective voxel grid to accelerate ray tracing, and it seems to work relatively quickly.
@AustinGameDev
@AustinGameDev 10 месяцев назад
Nice video! I'd love to see more diving into some of the tangential topics you mentioned.
@Priz01d
@Priz01d 9 месяцев назад
Not bad. This video really helped me understand how ray tracing works with voxels. Thanks!
@Skeffles
@Skeffles 10 месяцев назад
Fascinating explanation!
@bwkanimations7352
@bwkanimations7352 6 месяцев назад
really great video, you sound like a guy i would climb a mountain with for the first time of my life, and the weather goes cold and it becomes harder and harder to breathe, and when i ask you if we should go back you push me on to go even further, then at the top of the mountain you say "just to let you know; i didnt bring enough oxygen tanks for the trip back" in a very calm soothing voice, and when i am concerned about if we will be alive or not you simply reply with "50/50 😀".
@matthewromig8748
@matthewromig8748 10 месяцев назад
Keep doing what you’re doing this was so educational
@CobaltTS
@CobaltTS 11 месяцев назад
Great video, gl wirh your youtube journey
@SemperFidelisGames
@SemperFidelisGames 11 месяцев назад
Finally, Been looking for info on how voxel rendering is done
@ProjectYummy
@ProjectYummy 11 месяцев назад
Super high quality, informative and interesting!
@theashbot4097
@theashbot4097 11 месяцев назад
I hope you make more videos on voxel stuff.
@xxorza
@xxorza 3 месяца назад
Hey, only one video on this channel? I want more! From this 5 minute video I understood about voxel data structs more than 5 hours before that
@GeorgiKrastevMusic
@GeorgiKrastevMusic 10 месяцев назад
super informative !
@rustisbae
@rustisbae Месяц назад
Such a nerdy name for your dog :p. Love the video & can't wait for more
@Hector-bj3ls
@Hector-bj3ls 8 месяцев назад
Just in case anyone is interested. I actually used the algorithm in this paper to implement a feature in Wren Kitchen's web based kitchen planner software. We used it to traverse a voxel grid that is generated for each kitchen to aid spatial queries.
@SwitchyWitch_
@SwitchyWitch_ 7 месяцев назад
anytime I think of these voxel engine stuff, I'm always reminded of John Lin's voxel engine and how absolutely ridiculous it was, though they haven't shown anything about it in a long time, and seemingly shelved the micro-voxels so it'd no longer be nearly as detailed as it was
@rembojy
@rembojy 10 месяцев назад
Класне відео!
@abdullaheta
@abdullaheta 11 месяцев назад
Wow u got this much views and subs with just 1 video? Great video and good luck on rest of ur youtube journey. Subbed btw 👍
@7BitsPerByte
@7BitsPerByte 11 месяцев назад
Surprised as well :) Thanks!
@air8536
@air8536 10 месяцев назад
I came for a cool technical video, but cute doggy too? Best intro ever
@Cha4k
@Cha4k 6 месяцев назад
I remember voxel games in the 90s that had pretty small voxels. Delta Force, Hexsplore etc.
@pbk8724
@pbk8724 10 месяцев назад
This is a very good and informative Video, very well done!.
@MenkoDany
@MenkoDany 10 месяцев назад
Great video :) Thanks for making it
@SpringySpring04
@SpringySpring04 10 месяцев назад
Love the vibe of this video, reminds me of Sebastien Lague
@lostcause7706
@lostcause7706 10 месяцев назад
great video
@remie123
@remie123 11 месяцев назад
Wait, you only got 180 subscribers? This video is really good!
@WebbyStudio
@WebbyStudio 10 месяцев назад
i'm developing my own voxel game and this was very informative thanks. plz make more vids about game voxel stuff!
@curtisnewton895
@curtisnewton895 6 месяцев назад
voxel were also really small in some games, YEARS ago was it the first Baldur's gate, or something, don't remember, but they were no bigger than a couple of pixels
@RamDragon32
@RamDragon32 10 месяцев назад
About ten years ago there was a voxel tech with only a few videos showing how, using voxels and point clouds with no meshes, a model of an oasis fill of trees and statues could be zoomed in on, showing the rocks and eventually dirt and finally the textured details of the dirt particles. The images shown were all static, but the zooming was rendered in real-time with very organic looking shapes with promises of games being developed with the tech. I'm reminded of it because of how you described the optimisation of rendering only by screen pixels, which was one of their claims, and the early dev vids looked great. But I haven't seen any development of similar voxel rendering since then, you know, going away from cubes. (I was at an animation college at the time, so we would all joke about being the Rock Guy whose job it would be to just make one rock for a video game that no one would ever see the intricate detail of.) *EDIT: I looked it up. The company was Euclideon
@porglezomp7235
@porglezomp7235 8 месяцев назад
Euclideon's "infinite detail" was overhyped marketing vaporware for games, but they eventually produced a nice photogrammetry renderer for geospatial data. They couldn't really support animation or even good realtime lighting, which makes it not ideal for games. There's a lot of good debunking from the time those videos were coming out about how their claims of superiority are nonsense, but at least they ended up useful for something.
@jhnyjoejoe69
@jhnyjoejoe69 7 месяцев назад
Voxel engines are likely gonna become more prevalent in the next 10 years.
@operator8014
@operator8014 13 дней назад
Minecraft's voxels seeming big is merely a trick of perspective. If you make your player character 30 blocks tall, then the voxels are actually quite petite.
@sollybunn
@sollybunn 7 месяцев назад
If you take from creators, please attribute them at the time instead of hiding them as random links in the description Here's the ones I noticed while watching the video (both of which are in the description) 2:10: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gsZiJeaMO48.html an amazingly animated introduction to ray tracing implementation 2:30: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BNZtUB7yhX4.html a great explanation of how cool geometries can be implemented using raymarching
@quincyames2014
@quincyames2014 10 месяцев назад
this video is literally perfect, i am just starting working on a ray traced voxel game the main i am having is my gpu is like 4 years old and I have awful performance
@SyntaxDaemon
@SyntaxDaemon 10 месяцев назад
This is a really good video! Though to be fair, the reason Minecraft runs poorly has nothing to do with the number of triangles on screen and everything to do with the game's lack of optimization. Mods like Sodium make the game run MUCH better.
@GamersUniverseOE
@GamersUniverseOE 10 месяцев назад
Yeah. Bedrock Edition is pretty much the same in terms of features with the Java Edition, but it runs infinitely better than JE, since IIRC its codebase comes from Pocket Edition, which needed to be run on phones, which had pretty much no power compared to computers so that the whole code was written with much more optimization. Notch also probably did not think that his Cave Game would become such a huge game, so he probably tried to implement features as quickly as possible instead of optimizing them.
@SyntaxDaemon
@SyntaxDaemon 10 месяцев назад
@@GamersUniverseOE Yep! Java has had a lot of updates to help clean it up but it's still a mess. Though, Bedrock has its own host of issues as well.
@fitmotheyap
@fitmotheyap 8 месяцев назад
Yeah, fortunately both client side and server side have ways to fix their issues, tho folia hasn't become popular enough yet
@jobcameron3078
@jobcameron3078 10 месяцев назад
nice bro
@hackerman2284
@hackerman2284 6 месяцев назад
Дякую за відео, дуже доступно пояснив доволі не прості реч! Може в наступному відео розкажеш що значать і як саме працюють різноманітні налаштування в іграх? По типу тисячі видів згладжування (SSAA, MSAA, CSAA та інші), анізотропна фільтрація, що таке G-sync та FreeSync і чим вони відрізняються і таке інше 🇺🇦
@ahmedabuharthieh579
@ahmedabuharthieh579 10 месяцев назад
Would be very interesting to see someone optimize a minecraft-like game to run with this technology. We could see how far out the tender distance could get and what kind of performance benefit there is
@guncolony
@guncolony 8 месяцев назад
The issue with that is the complexity of voxels that a Minecraft-like game can have. A raytracing-based approach like this probably only works well at all for a LOD renderer where every block is a flat color.
@B1GGIEB1G
@B1GGIEB1G 10 месяцев назад
Man i hate math, but it is amazing how far technology has come, thank you for making this complicated topic easy to understand for everyone
@RawbLV
@RawbLV 10 месяцев назад
You should check how oceans are simulated, now that's some good math.
@PhreakDarkSoul
@PhreakDarkSoul 7 месяцев назад
Voxel... my first game with them was Comanche from NovaLogic.
@JoesCaribbeanVanLife
@JoesCaribbeanVanLife 7 месяцев назад
This got way over my head really quickly. 😅
@DrW1ne
@DrW1ne 11 месяцев назад
morale : Teardown is a great and hard to make voxel game.
@7BitsPerByte
@7BitsPerByte 11 месяцев назад
Indeed, my desire to re-implement it's rendering two years ago is what made me interested in voxels. I have a lot of technical things to share in video, but I did not want to dive in too specific stuff right away
@FarmBoyTech
@FarmBoyTech Месяц назад
It is insane
@thatfellarosto
@thatfellarosto 7 месяцев назад
There is actually an awesome shaderpack for minecraft that incorporates voxel based ray tracing and lighting! I feel like it fits the vibe of minecraft a lot better than other shaders
@koiledPythonRain
@koiledPythonRain 7 месяцев назад
Name?
@thatfellarosto
@thatfellarosto 7 месяцев назад
@@koiledPythonRain rethinking voxels
@koiledPythonRain
@koiledPythonRain 7 месяцев назад
@@thatfellarosto thank you
@belzebubukas
@belzebubukas 8 месяцев назад
The video ended just when it was starting to get really interesting 😭
@NEDinACTION
@NEDinACTION 8 месяцев назад
cool video you should make another one
@MrSwac31
@MrSwac31 6 месяцев назад
3:26 it's called ray casting, it's how the Wolfenstein 1 engine worked
@antmoundsock1122
@antmoundsock1122 8 месяцев назад
reminds me of wolfenstein a little
@MrTomas7777
@MrTomas7777 8 месяцев назад
Indeed. It's like a 3D extension of the 2D raycasting algorithm used in old games such as Wolfenstein 3D.
@ChristopherUW-fx7lx
@ChristopherUW-fx7lx 10 месяцев назад
Good video 🐶
@alacastersoi8265
@alacastersoi8265 11 месяцев назад
I would think intersecting a line with a cube in a static grid would have a closed form solution and thus be insanely faster than arbitrary meshes.
@7BitsPerByte
@7BitsPerByte 11 месяцев назад
It is very fast, but for each pixel you need to perform a lot of these checks, as you need to ray march a ray through the entire world volume basically. So rasterization sometimes does make a lot of sense (when voxels are big) because it often draws each pixel just once
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
@@7BitsPerByte What if you used something like Bresenham's line algorithm to "march" the ray? It would probably be much faster to calculate the next voxel along the ray, and with small enough voxels the "missing" of voxels by a corner wouldn't really matter (it might even make the voxel nature of the scene less noticeable, by distorting the edges of voxels).
@Oscar-rl4wm
@Oscar-rl4wm 8 месяцев назад
How has this channel less than 2k subscribers
@valentinliedtke5024
@valentinliedtke5024 6 месяцев назад
Im convinced that minecraft needs a render engine overhaul Kind of depressing that that hasnt happened yet, even with all the budget behind it
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
it doesn't really
@valentinliedtke5024
@valentinliedtke5024 6 месяцев назад
@@vibaj16 considering how awful the game looks it sure runs poorly
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
@@valentinliedtke5024 That's not due to the render engine. Minecraft is poorly optimized for entities, redstone, and other things. That's the main issue.
@hexxt_
@hexxt_ 11 месяцев назад
id be very interested in some insight on the physics of such games
@LethalChicken77
@LethalChicken77 10 месяцев назад
Minecraft blocks are not roughly one meter, they are exactly one meter.
@7BitsPerByte
@7BitsPerByte 10 месяцев назад
Oh, did you measure?
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
@@7BitsPerByte Notch said so
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
@@7BitsPerByte and there's achievements and stats that use the term "kilometers", which corresponds to exactly 1000 blocks
@spandexunderwear3630
@spandexunderwear3630 10 месяцев назад
I would like to add that there actually is first party ray tracing in minecraft
@mixamega
@mixamega 10 месяцев назад
there is in bedrock
@if_z
@if_z 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, but it's on bedrock so it doesn't count.
@Delouser69
@Delouser69 6 месяцев назад
Incredibly well made video
@minamur
@minamur 6 месяцев назад
if i were doing ray marching in a regular grid i'd just try to implement bresenham.
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
same
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 6 месяцев назад
Voxels are oooold (Comanche-series). And Minecraft can just barely be said to use voxels at all.
@rubidi7624
@rubidi7624 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video Can you make a more detailed video with code examples in pygame
@arpinfidel
@arpinfidel 10 месяцев назад
i hope "that's it for to day" means there will be more about this! i'd love to hear more about the optimizations
@ruskov-uu2pz
@ruskov-uu2pz 11 месяцев назад
very interesting
@nonarKitten
@nonarKitten 6 месяцев назад
I'm curious why voxel-based ray-marching doesn't just use Bresenham line drawing algorithm? It would seem that computing the bounding box of the ray at each step is more work than necessary. Bresenham is just a simple fixed-point accumulator and is very fast. If you wanted to be really smart, you could do AA based voxel raytracing with Xiaolin Wu's line algorithm and when a hit occurs, that becomes the weighted RGB of that pixel and any remaining "energy" in would continue. This could allow for transparency and other cool effects too.
@Argoon1981
@Argoon1981 3 месяца назад
Not only minecraft cubes are not real voxels like others have said you dont need to represent voxels has cubes, thou everyone does because is with no doubt the best shape for it. But imo is good too know that being a cube is not a hard requirement.
@Amin_2k
@Amin_2k 10 месяцев назад
0:36 there is ray tracing supported natively on minecraft bedrock edition on PC. Nvidea showcase: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AdTxrggo8e8.html&ab_channel=NVIDIAGeForce
@mister_i_3708
@mister_i_3708 День назад
I've heard accent. Thanks for video. Good luck.
@bits3608
@bits3608 6 месяцев назад
0:59, This is due to effectively having an opengl2 renderer which was never optimized for anything other than tiny maps with simple geometry, not what minecraft is today.
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
No, it doesn't have much to do with rendering at all. It's mostly due to a lot of poorly optimized other aspects of the game, like lighting, redstone, entities, etc
@anomonyous
@anomonyous 8 месяцев назад
Heheh doggo 😗😗 I'm sorry, you were saying something? I didn't catch that last part after doggo.
@AQLV
@AQLV 10 месяцев назад
Minecraft's voxels only draw objects that are within the player's view, all else, even 1 block behind an opaque surface, are for all intents and purposes, points of data in a table, with no graphical element. Thus, it uses a lot of CPU power but not a lot of GPU resources.
@RawbLV
@RawbLV 10 месяцев назад
That's the number one optimization in every game. Kinda pointless to state this nowadays.
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
Not true. I don't think Minecraft does any such culling besides faces between full blocks, chunks behind the player, and subchunks completely blocked off from the rest of the world (mostly reduces the caves being rendered).
@Kasperbjerby
@Kasperbjerby 10 месяцев назад
Can't wait till we a smooth running game made of Voxels the size of 1 mm or less 😜
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
once they get small enough, we might as well render them as point clouds
@SimplexonYt
@SimplexonYt 8 месяцев назад
i just had one of the moments where you just think that is so cool, why didn't i thought of that
@paladingeorge6098
@paladingeorge6098 10 месяцев назад
"There is no ray tracing in minecraft" ouch
@Italian_Isaac_Clarke
@Italian_Isaac_Clarke 11 месяцев назад
The true reason is that Minecraft is mostly single-threaded.
@ZedDevStuff
@ZedDevStuff 11 месяцев назад
Also really isn't picky with your GPU unless you use Shaders, or a mod that needs a GPU feature
@vibaj16
@vibaj16 6 месяцев назад
at least there's some really crazy glitches you can perform using the very few instances where there's multiple threads
@helloimowa
@helloimowa 11 месяцев назад
Обожнюю, коли алгоритми ютубу працюють як треба і рекомендують дійсно кльовий контент. Дуже цікаве та пізнавальне відео, з нетерпінням буду чекати більше.
@7BitsPerByte
@7BitsPerByte 11 месяцев назад
Дякую ;)
@epycgamr696
@epycgamr696 7 месяцев назад
Really goo video, but Minecraft does have official RTX support
@ender5129
@ender5129 11 месяцев назад
Minecraft bedrock raytracing: 🗿
@Verchiel_
@Verchiel_ 11 месяцев назад
Immediately went to the comment section for this.
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