Voxengo PHA-979 - The Ultimate Phase Tool / Bass Fixer 

amazing thanks!

But low pass will affect phase lol

I feel exactly the same, i've been looking for this for very long.

what does it mean taking into account the wavelength of each harmonic?

the lower the frequency of the harmonic, the longer the wave length. in phase shifting, all frequencies are shifted by the same number of degrees, whereas phase rotation will shift a higher frequency by a far larger amount of degrees than a low frequency. Stop it it into an analogy, a big wheel (lower frequency) takes longer to turn all the way around than a small wheel (higher frequency) hopefully this helps!

@@MuteProduction yes it helps, thank you

r2r XD

yes, as a REAPER user I can vouch for this. However, as a REAPER user who works at other studios sometimes, I find more value in using exclusively plugins that I can use in any DAW. That way, if need be, I can take it with me and use it that day in Pro Tools or something.

once you put some vst, (EQ) whatever on the chain the phase is out again. i use this at the very last moment when everything is in place . much more accurate

this is Oszillos Mega Scope it's third party plugin, however check out Sub Ninja (free for february with code DASHGLITCH) I don't get any thing from it, I just promoting because it's similar :)

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flip and rotate are different ball games, flip just has 2 variables where rotate is everywhere inbetween.

@@DashGlitch Got it!

I have, it's just a time shift/polarity inversion and not a rotation like PHA979

@@DashGlitch It has phase rotation per Hz, in a graph, and auto mode, that sync one channel with another. It's called "Spectral Phase compensation". It synchronizes all instances of the same group. In theory it's for microphones, but nothing prevents you from using it for kick and bass, as long as the phase shift is the same (distance between microphones). I think this would be the method to follow, although I haven't tried it: It takes work to re-record each part that is different, if the distance or time between midi notes changes, it's like moving the microphones while recording and this is a bad idea... but it can be done with several midi tracks or by cutting the audio into several tracks, depending on how the distances between notes of both instruments change. The idea is to have an instance of the plugin on each channel. Once the plugin analyzes the audio of the group, it does its voodoo magic and stays that way, that's why you have to use many tracks with each series of notes that change in distance. I think editing a vocal track is more work. I don't know if I explained myself well. Manual ducking with fade in and fade out is also important, when the notes sound in unison, or when the tail or body of the bass drum interferes with the bass. The Baphometrix channel has some very interesting ideas on the subject of kick, bass and ducking, apart from other topics. Since there are few of this channel, I hope the recommendation doesn't bother you. I can edit the comment and remove this last part if you want.

For phase, yes it offers a few more tools, but I still use faTA for various other tasks, specifically lining up hardware and software channels in real-time 😃

@@DashGlitch I don't use any hardware synths, so that would be no issue for me... I tried faTimeAlign and I really liked it, but on sale it was still pricey, PHA at the moment seems like a really good deal. thanks :)

Basically yes. When they are in phase the combined signal more closely follows the original contour of the kick. When they are 180deg out of phase, the resultant waveform is much lower in volume. It's quite subtle but once you get a feel for it, it becomes more obvious. If you're struggling to see/hear the effect, try synthesising (or choosing) a kick with a big beefy tail, full sustain or close too. It might sound like garbage for a track, but the idea is to use extreme settings to learn about the process, like you would for compression for example. You can apply a stronger and stronger fade out to train your ears/eyes to notice the effect with the kicks you are more likely to actually use in your tracks.

@@BappinProductions thx man!!!!

That's the point it's shifting tracks with time movements so it has to delay the signal in order to move the sound forward

Ableton's PDC is broken, that's an issue with that DAW, I presume you use it?

@@DashGlitch yes i use ableton my bass keep moving around even when i set the phase knob to not random in serum i dont know how really to stop it it seems even if i bounce to audio it still does

@@DashGlitch i havent heard back from you could you explain what to do

for win users, on mac it doesn't exist. to be honest voxengo pha with the sale now is the best price you can get for a phase plugin. waves, forward audio TimeAlign and other paid plugins are much more expensive even on sale. I have Eventide precision time align, which is great, but this is a very versatile plugin, especially for 38usd. edit: sry, i was mistaken, with the never ending waves 40% discount with coupon, waves inphase can be purchased for 29.99usd, which is the best price if you go with paid ones.

@@Renato.P also fuck Waves for WUP especially as a Mac user when you actually have to update to keep your plugins working.

@@BappinProductions i have like 3-4 plugins max from thm and most of them was free... but why on mac you'd need to actually wup those to work? should work on the current version forever... i'm on a 2012 mbp so I will never upgrade to catalina bigsur or whatever neither... is anything else happening for mac users?

think of this as just delaying a certain frequency range while faSample delay delays the entire signal. Both have pros and cons, the former being able to retain transient on-the-grid a bit better imho

@@DashGlitch good to know. Thanks

Yes it will. Because once you do more processing on kick or bass you may change the phase correlation

@@stelthtenau ^This

awesome ok I might have to get it then lol.... thanx and keep uploading more vids man

you could create a morph table in serum :))

@@MuteProduction that what's I was thinking, just replace filter env with wavetable pos

@@shoppingcart238 pretty much yup. If you have plenty of time on your hands you can make the morph travel through some interesting shapes and end up with a super nice sounding sweep! Plus the artefacts that usually come with filtering are no longer part of the equation!

PHA-979 is a linear phase DSP design, so it's "safe" to use on critical elements like kick and bass, as it keeps the original character of the source material. A regular minimum phase allpass filter would colour the sound to much.

Time align is only doing the delay part, not phase manipulation :)

@@DashGlitch Got it. Thank you.

It doesn't really matter as it won't affect anything that's ITB, that being said Old focusrite Pro24

@@DashGlitch Ok. So what does? ;-)

@@adammolot stuff that's in the box

@@DashGlitch I don't quite understand what you mean? Can I have a little more details?

@@adammolot interface and other equipment doesn't change the quality of the sound in the DAW, only the plugins do that. Your monitors can affect what you hear and help you make better decisions, but that's about it imho

Why not? Is there something other than audio passing through the channel creating the effect?

@@DashGlitch I have never seen or felt a groove with my eyes. The point at which overlap between kick and bass happens is very complex, highly likely 2 different frequencies (as your kick is dropping in frequency) so matching phase alone does not guarantee a hypnotic, forward moving groove. I have found you need to listen for groove and consider where in the kick and bass wave forms overlap.

@@mikromakro1367 Interesting, you should make a tutorial with all this info :)

@@DashGlitch Thx, I am not sure if I could do it or if it would help. If top level kick and bass was just matching phase every top level artist's kick and bass would sound the same. That is evidently not the case. I have "matched" phase and disliked the kick and bass many times over. In the end it always gets tweaked by ear because no one sees your oscilloscope on the dance floor (or anywhere they listen). Make it for effect and feel. (phase gets you in the ball park, that last 5pct that makes it spot on for your groove goal) I enjoy your channel by the way !

it's a bit different, timeAlign doesn't change the sound at all sonically, this has a tone

One of many examples ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3S_yPTpHS4A.html

you could try bouncing to audio and trimming/fading to avoid any clicks from non-zero crossings due to the MIDI/release settings of the clip/patch. It's a bit tedious but it might solve you problems.

BappinProductions Thanks for the tip! 🙂 all I've figured out so far is a high filter envelope sustain to get more of a crunchy sound Instead of a pluck and so shorter and longer notes are consistent but I struggle to keep it deep and punchy. I think your bouncing it out is more for the rolling pluck kinda thing. Note I'm going for that kinda derango forest funk. But I've really never gotten it right yet. And I've yet to see a video of someone producing this bass sound so the mystery lives on for now.

@@BrowsSmellLikeShit another thing to try is separate channels with different patches. If you use Live or Bigwig you could create an instrument rack as velocity to switch between the layers. I lean more towards full-on myself some knowledge is limited, but AFAIK there is a much stronger focus on post processing for darker, foresty style bass. I can usually scoop out some mud from the 300Hz range and call it a day, but for darker styles, it's more common to EQ out additional harmonics, to really accentuate those left behind. Have you tried removing the major third harmonic from the spectrum? IIRC it's the fourth or fifth (fifth or sixth peak in the spectrum). This will remove some of the brightness/happiness, for a darker and more minor feel.