Why Phase Is Important For Stable Kick & Sub Mix | Minimal-Tech/Techno Kick and Subs from scratch 

Almost 30 years of making music behind me and never considered phase, really helpful. Also like this more techno-ish sound.

this right here is a master class! perfectly demonstrated! VERY concise & to the point.. You are a spectacular teacher! Buy a Donkey!

15:00 „unless you wanna make gabber of course” 😂

Since you're talking about techno here, a little side note from me: Keep in mind that especially for Techno and especially for rumble basses, the phasing is what creates the rumble in the first place. This rumbling "earthquake-like" sound is (usually) made by having many different bass layers, that phase-cancel each other out - creating those huge, insable soundscapes. Usually done by putting reverb on the kicks / subs (yes. really.), some delay and then bouncing them to audio and then layering them up, adding distortion, etc. For an example listen to Virtual Self - Ghost Voices (Raito Remix). Those Techno "basses" are very much atonal, and don't even have a root note, because the phasing destroys any identifable pitch. Now, you still want to have a seperate Bass and Kick in those cases. But when mixing those together, you either don't want them perfectly in phasde, or simply can not phase-align them, because they have no definitive "pitch". I'm talking about this because when i was a beginner, i often thought these priciples are universal, while they really are not. Very nice trick with the distortion. Additionally you can low pass the entire mix to create this "behind closed doors" effect - like you're standing outside of a club or something. That also helps really hearing how the groove of the bassline goes.

Yes! You have closed all my questions about low end of this style!!! 😊

Phase is so important in sub and kick relationship in all EDM. For that powerful kick. Great tutorial. (Took me a long time to realise just how important this is... 25+years)

Very nice tutorial Dash!

Great video man!

Really helpful stuff man!

yesss love it !!! please more of this content in this genre 💜

really really cool! thanks Dash - love the minimal tech sound : ) cheers!

Nice one Dash Very nice, To the point

Golden teachings Dash, thanks Master.

Great sub tips. Super useful!

Thank you so much for this lesson I would like to see more content about Minimal , Psytech

thanks for this one, very very useful and interesting !

Brilliant..... subbed

man, what a great video, thank you for sharing your wisdom! game changer

This is insane knowledge for free thank you! This is amazing

this distortion trick is really helpful to hear the groove of the bassline in details. great video!

Yessir!!!! Epic Epic Epic knowledge brother!!!

Great tune and advice. Look forward to putting that into practice as I enjoy making minimal

Niiiice sound, as always!

Sounds awesome

Good stuff. Like that Schulz audio oscilloscope and you gave me some really useful insight into Kick2.

Such a great technique especially for techno ,im going to try this tonight

Great explanation, so much easier to understand this technique now. Thanks

Thank you 👍

Love these details, keep em comin'! I'm totally cool with the tech or techno direction. If possible more psy-techno pls. :)

For me this video is one of the most eye opening and perspective shifting ones I've ever seen. Thanks so much for it 🥳

many thanks kind sir! 🙏

Glad I found this video. It’s such an uninterruptible low end to enjoy that I have been trying to discover how to make. Thank you!

thanks Dash

Excelente tutorial. Muito obrigado.

Great video - thanks

This is the best kick and bass relationship video I've seen, thanks man :)

Absolutely superb tutorial.!!!!!!

Fack!!! I’ve been circling around for years trying to dial this in and while I’ve been close this put me exactly where I wanted to be. This is probably the best tutorial for what I needed specifically using some of the same tools I lol using. Specifically the kick 2 parts because I always struggle with its loudness and overall impact after adjusting the clicks, length etc. Thank you so much man! You’re a gem🔥🖤

Great sub tutorial!

insanely helpful

Nice, I just bought Kick2 and I love it already... I can use it for all the types of music I want to make (PsyAmbient / Ambient / PsyTrance / ?) ... Again, thanks for this full tutorial!

One simply way to get around the phase issue problem ist to create an audio file of the Kick and the bass combined and to use this as my Kick-bass. This is basically what you do when you put the phase randomization to Zero. I sometimes just watch your videos, because it is quite entertaining. I found your Minimal Techno interpretation not very Robert-Hood-like but more psy-trancey. It still sounds very groovey though.

Purrfect time to show this off, i use accent pitch basses in my current track, so this is a welcome additon, to improve on the overall concept. I use shaperbox which has a build in oscilloscope. Its also perfect as LFO tool replacement. (And has a side chain input, to visualize the 2nd input. )

great Video! exactly what i needed.🤠 this Tiopic keeps me occupied since a long Time now..Watched a Ton of Videos but never solved it to my Satisfaction.. in here i found all the Infos i was looking for and even a lot i did not know or considered yet..you summed it up perfectly. - thank you very very much😘 please do more vids like this ..- i mean "off topic" from "standard" psy trance.. i think i will resubscribe to your Patreon..if anybody.. you definetly earn it🤘🏻💪🏻and yes i totally love this minimal tech type of Stuff..🤪

good one

It is exactly one part of what we do in live sound too. Align the subs (big boxes on the ground) and mains (flying speakers left and right). We measure the time réponse of the common frequencies and align them so they add as perfect as possible. Lots of impact energy can be lost just for that.

Hey cool rhythms!

You fucking nailed it! ❤

Great vid... seems if though kick 2 is an essential, you could argue

Funny how I've came back to some Zenonesque type stuff lately and that you release a tutorial which covers that specific topic. I've been listening to Luis M tracks and Fingernail Compost from Bill between some more classy stuff (Matilda Mann and Miguel Atwood Fergusson) and got my hands onto something sweet and groovy again. We must share something Dash, could be the aliens👍 Merci ! Time to work!

I do all this in Shaperbox 3. On EVER tune I make

BRO☺♥Nice video

I've heard this Sound a lot in the latest Album of Perfect Stranger. I asked myself how to do that sound. Thx

Great video! I was just thinking, changing the volume of the downbeat sub notes from the others is a cool idea but having them on separate synths makes it harder to prevent the notes from phasing with one another (assuming the envelope has some release). I'd probably just use the note velocity for safety. Otherwise it's a great surgical process :)

nice, thanks. That Kick2 plugin seems nice, going to try it out I think. Way better to sculpt your kick than to try 142 kick samples

I really need to get the Phoscyon!

Yeah this one going to be good I know it

I clicked vid bc was looking for new ideas to make kik & sub 808 hit harder (hip hop). I stayed bc the vid is fkn sick! Thumbs up & subbed. I dont make techno but maybe I can learn some cool shit to add to my own productions & mixes.

Pretty standard techniques, but not that well know among others than professional producers. Good job 👍

neat, i just got sub ninja time to try this out. someone gifted me the plugin, it's very similar to the one you're using in this video

So helpful, thank you very much! Would love to know your thoughts on KickDrum by Audija.

Thank you, Dash! Your tutorz are very inspired! Do you want your kick should be 1/4 bar in lenght? Or it is always "by ear"?

Thank you. This was wery pro and usefull.👍

Super useful video! Thank you for sharing 😉 (Side note: I still have the same limited edition Novation keyboard just like yours😁)

Great video!! The only thing which bothers me when I was listening to this video was the lowend hum on your vocal whenever you talked. Noisefloor or something. Please add a HIghpass in the future :D

Great tutorial and first time I understand kick and bass phase, so thanks! I wonder: couldn’t you also make the kick just longer so it is waveform is as long as the sub? What’s the difference when separating these in kick and sub?

For techno and stuff, are there any synths specialized for patches that create the kick and bass from one morphing oscilator? That could be kind of a nice workflow. Also cool for punchy basses in dnb etc., id imagine

Hi! Thank you for this great video! I am following along, and have a question about the sub basses: Is it only the sine wave making the sound? No saturation, no filtering, no nothing, other then the sine wave in the finished result in this video? Its like I can hear your sub bass clearer then the copy I am making somehow... Thanks!

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Great woork! How do you make a sub like that?

Hello Dash! Thanks for that video, it is really inspiring! However, i have a question, how look a situation, when root note of a sub changes in time? (to fit subs to chord progression of song) Thanks in advance! Cheers

would signalizer work the free scope vst

is the sub on the kick a creative decision ie the 'bassline pattern' or are you using it to re-enforce the kick itself?

Any alternatives to that mega oscilloscope? I find it's interface not exceptional and it's so expensive

maybe already asked. Wich oscilloscope do you use ? free one ? kind regards .

Are those yellow speakers emes?

17:05 And that's the problem. Or just "problem" depending on your perspective. You can't "just" change the note of the sub. With techno, that might work most of the times. But even in techno, sometimes that's a limiting factor you don't want. Fortunately, Bitwig has the device Note Receiver. I would have to sit down for a while to figure out how exactly, but that device should help you make the kick's pitch automatically follow the note the sub is playing. Depending on how the kick synth is reacting to a change of the note, especially the envelopes, it might be a good idea to resample the kick first.

Hi Dash, i maybe missing something but, how come you use the note transpone, and not just start the sub on F1 in the first place? Im sure ofcourse there is a valid reason.

What monitors and sound card do you use?

Thank you, i so wish you showed us the mid bass process, isee you cutlow end but is there any phase alignment between the sub bass and mid bass?

what if sub change pitch/note for more musical subs? how do you sidechain kick then, because 100% of time it will be misaligned

why would you use transpose map and not just put the midi notes on the note you want?

This type of precision makes me wonder why we don’t just make one patch that does both jobs. Given your wizard level skills in phase plant I would guess you have done this before. Maybe there is some reason you prefer to layer a kick and a bass rather than make one kick/sub patch?

Interesting approach, but isn't it simpler just to use the kick to duck the sub in a compressor?

WTF OMG.... Dash, Have you stopped using cubase, If so, Why?

My good man Dash,or anyone else who can help,Oczilo Mega Scope since a major paid update about a year ago does NOT show anymore any other channel but the one it's running in. This makes it useless and it's such pity.What is it I don't see here?

How do you deal with phase relations if you have different bass notes (following a chord progression)? Only match with the bass root note?

Change the note of the sub and tell me what happens!

i love u man but pls can u talk in normal speed :))

My pilosiphy is to NEVER use a tuned kick.Tuned kicks creat phase issues. Only use the kick that's tone has the correct vibe for the track.

imagine thinking digital kicks are the end-all of kicks.. pick up some analog kicks you won't be disappointed...

All i hear si 'particular' or 'peticular' ...

befor music was perfect music was perfect why buy wonky anolog organic emulated softgear or hardwear to just dewonky it in the process there is a point when it becomes overdone (EQed to death, Compressed till there is no real decay behavior) say no to perfect sameness and producing becomes fun again (happy mistake) just listen to old: motown, detroit techno, jazz, early sample HIP HOP, early Hardcore, D&B and than listen to modern "perfect" whatever (feel the sterilness) ur welcom i like to help