She isn't saying sorry because she genuinely is. She's saying sorry because her bottom line is going to be affected by her words. The fact that she doubled and even tripled down kinda hurts the authenticity of the apology. It wasn't an apology, it was damage control.
Yup. Misandrists need to disappear into obscurity. The same with Mysognists. Only one side usually gets a pass, which is WRONG. And yes, this is the Hill I'm willing to die on. She needs to GO AWAY.
Still even releasing an apology is embarrassing. Getting shamed by the public can really suck. I think she had bad takes and was being too cavalier. But everyone on the internet is like this that to a degree. It’s not like I’m seeing flashbacks from what she said so it’s no skin off my back.
Her: I'm not a misandrist but.... Craps on men Craps on men Craps on men Craps on men Her apology: I'm sorry. Also, it's not my fault because (insert list here).
It's more to " damage control " becasue she didn't know at the end she just offended her own followers without knowning she did, AKA Female Vtubing is mostly targeted for male audience. VTubing Career = money to pay bills No money in Vtubing = have to work in the outside world for jobs to pay the bills
Her apology: I'm sorry. Also, it's not my fault because ( 1. i need money to pay my bills and don't want to work in the outside world, some will still simp so hard for me even if i treat them badly ( becasue they see it as a reward ),2. I don't need to apologize to men when i treat them so badly and say mean things why sould i as a woman ( "disclaimer" her only as a woman, not saying other women),3. It's not my fault for not putting " Just Venting " remarks at the top on the comment when venting on social media and pretend this incident never happen my followers and come back and follow me😭. 4. Things happen, just let by gone's be by gone's and pretend this never happend so i can just get over with the apology for damage control.
Sounds about what she would say coming from her " I'm sorry but really not, only for damage control to keep her career " vibe that i am getting from her.
"I did not call anyone an incel, however they treated me they way they wanted to be treated, instead of considering how I want to be treated." That alone tells me she is not truly sorry, cause not only is she making an excuse for her actions, but also saying she blew up at people because they were following the golden rule and being nice to her. Great video, keep up the great work.
She's like every Tumblr girl back in the day... constantly throwing pity parties and being offended if anyone tries bringing actual solutions to the problems. How dare they not nurture her victim complex.
@@darthbane418 the point Gustavo was making is, if you can tell how a person wants to be treated, then go for it! But the problem is, if you cannot tell, then you should just apply the age-old golden rule (treat others how YOU YOURSELF want to be treated = treating others well basically). The V-Tuber tried to minimise her liability by saying that "oh but they were only considering how THEY wanted to be treated if they were in my position, and not my feelings", but the mistake the V-Tuber made was she did not clarify that she was only seeking to vent and not seeking advice. Those who replied her with suggestions on how to eat pizza without tomatoes were applying the Golden Rule in the male fashion (giving her advice on how to solve her problem). Those men did not know that she just wanted to vent and not their advice, and they got unfairly insulted by her for her own mistake of not saying she was just venting. Peace.
The fact this VTweeter got any push back for their blatant misandry at all is good to see. I’m sick of it being socially acceptable for men to be constantly put down to make everyone else feel better about themselves.
This kind of toxic behaviour should not be allowed or tolerated whichever community especially on VTubing ( becasue most of the target audiance are men, they wouldn't have a career or money to pay bills if they want to be apart of the VTubing community). VTweeter is not in it to create fun content for their audiance only in it for the popularity and money. Better to categorize them as this and not lump them with the real Vtubing community and give it a bad name.
Are you guys serious or is this sarcasm? Cause ya’ll know that not all women are like this? There are many women who disagree with misandrist and value men as human beings. The women who hate men are a very vocal minority.
@@pikira2246 who are current female role models today and why? have there been any strong retaliation against misandry from women in particular? I was old enough to remember how much people shat on those jack Thompson kind of activists, where is that retaliation against feminist dogwater from women... Virtually Non-existent. Why haven't there been anything worth mentioning made by female creators aside from east Asian creators. Seriously one of the few memorable women throughout this God forsaken decade was that lovely lady who designed bayonetta's character design. Literally it's like the only women who make cool stuff are almost exclusively not westerners and the few that are emulate east Asian stuff with a western spin, usually ranging from slightly worse to significantly worse just like this story the video covers. Western stuff use to be THE shit back in the 80s and only started falling in quality in the later stages of the 2000s and went noticeably downhill after 2010s. In a way, it perfectly reflects the new audiences who came, a large number of women, their simps and the radicals they silently or even blatantly support.
This apology kinda comes across as "I'm so sorry baby, I'll never hit you again. You just make me so mad sometimes you deserve it." If she really does change it will be apparent soon enough after she returns, if she returns.
"It wasn't coming from a place of hate or abuse baby, I did it out of love, because I love you. I only lost control and beat you because of how much I love you and only because you treated me how you wanted to be treated instead of thinking about how I wanted to be treated and it made me mad. I'm sorry that you made me mad honey."
I would've taken her apology if she hadn't said "it didn't come from a place of misandry" when it definitely did, but for now, I'll leave the situation alone
@@TurtleChad1 Nah man, we're not TRA's. What she said was shit and her apology arguably fell short but we're better than this. She will be contextualized by the things she has said in the past, and that should be enough.
I don't know why but the sentence: "however they were treating me how they wanted to be treated, rather than considering how I wanted to be treated" really gets to me. It feels like a really selfish view. It kind of makes sense that she acted the way she did if she doesn't follow the "treat others how you want to be treated" line of thought.
Yeah, that pisses me off the most. Like. If others treating you the way they would want to be treated, that's a good thing. Why is it always "Me me me mememememememe-" with these people? Aren't they miserable? How could they even have friends with that kind of selfish mindset?
" Treat yourself like how you would treat others " as the saying goes. If a person treats a criminal badly for being a criminal then expect to be treated badly and don't expect the opposite respond, if a person treats a person nicely with well mannerd attitude and knows how to argue but argue in a intelligent and diplomatic way/logical way not the barbaric kind which is let your own emotion control in the moment just to satify your fustration where to the point it ends up making a bad choice that effects a career in the first place or get called out by the internet. She'll think twice before venting on the internet ever again and posting it on social media. If she wants to vent keep it to herself in her private life and don't post it on the internet if the end results is getting into a fight over someone trying to provide alternative solutions to her pizza tomato problem.
she expects people to be able to read her mind and know that she does not want advice. If society functions the way she thinks, no one would be willing to help others anymore, out of the fear that they may offend the other person.
I believe that her comments hating on men are what she genuinely believes and those views did NOT just change over night by some miracle, she's just trying to save face imho. Hating men is trendy on Twitter and these chronically progressive spaces but I guess she misjudged her situation and was unpleasantly surprised that it blew up in her face.
Stuff like this gives me hope that people are finally waking up to this bullshit. I for one am so tired of people getting away with being truly awful people because some asshole with undeserved authority says they are on the right side of history. They are not, and I am so glad people are or are starting to be not afraid to call them out for their rotten behavior.
@@_dragonstorm_2635 A life of perpetually walking on eggshells sounds miserable, I for one will not resign myself to such an existence and I hope more people just tell it like it is.
I mean yes, you're right, but how else should people apologize without seeming like they don't really care and don't plan on changing going forward? People literally say "do better", so what are people supposed to say other than "I will do better"?
I mean, to be fair, if I was on my bathroom floor, throwing up/explosive diarrhea, and feeling like shit from Pizza, and a bunch of people responded to my social media post with advice, I'd probably react in a hostile way. BUT, at the same time, if I was in such a situation in the first place, I wouldn't be on social media telling people about it. I would just be in bed/toilet, ignoring my phone lol
@@ootdega Her viewpoint is pretty clear (I think) People have a way they want to be treated but not everyone aligns, so what one wants is not necessary what the other wants (pls correct me if im wrong) its just genuinely funny to me, since I personally see as an unrealistic expectation, that you dont want other's to treat you the way they want to be treated, when in the majority of cases they don't have any other point of reference, so seeing that as a bad thing I, subjectively, see as absurd. No hate towards her, but her take imo she could've just said sorry, I'll do better, rather than explaining it, and in my eyes, looking goofy in the process
@@ootdega dude, her excuse is the fakest i’ve seen in a while. It used blame shifting and playing the victim card. The words aren’t twisted or did you read the same thing?? It’s isn’t an apology it’s a bunch of excuses for their behavior. It’s not about hating someone, it’s about calling out fake ass online “i’m sorry”. She (they) are only sorry they didn’t get away with it and it is painfully obvious in their various statements that they have a shit personality. Forgiveness is deserved not expected… Otherwise assholes always get away with it. You are enabling the behavior of “be a piece of shit, fake apologize, get back to being as asshole but a little less openly.
@@ootdega I think you're more blinded than anybody else mentioning anything right now. You forgot one crucial thing, everyone has varying opinions, either good or bad. You're making yourself look no better
It takes a serious personality flaw to lead to that sort of outburst from an adult. A single night thinking about it and a "sorry" isn't going to fix it. If she is sorry, she will spend the next few months (or years) working on that.
And to think that the main topic was "tomatoes on pizza" to "i hate men"........... lmao. That's deep personality right there. I never had a conversation as shallow as "I love ice cream" and ended up "I hate all women."
She denies her misandry, so no, she's not self aware enough to fix anything, just realized no one will want to give her money and headpats anymore if she doesn't pretend to care about their feelings.
I don't believe her apology is sincere, the older posts prior to the pizza drama make it impossible to do so. Her attitude and behavior in general reminds me of a saying I learned not too long ago: Once is an incident Twice is a coincidence Three times is a pattern She is flashing that pattern around for all to see, along with which political extremes she buys into.
It's more to " damage control " becasue she didn't know at the end she just offended her own followers without knowning she did, AKA Female Vtubing is mostly targeted for male audience. VTubing Career = money to pay bills No money in Vtubing = have to work in the outside world for jobs to pay the bills
@@waefawawrgaw2835 context? Many people are edgelords and it's poorly advised to antagonize people who may just be trying to get a rise out of you. Many cases of misandry are obviously unfunny and don't fit the place they are posted in. If most of those "racists" Are 4chan users or old RU-vidrs types, you might be dealing with irreverence more so than racism.
Her: "I'm lactose intolerant and I cant eat pizza anymore even though it's my favorite food" Audience: "They have cheese alternatives, have you ever tried tho--" Her: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE- ALL MEN ARE TRASH, STOP MANSPLAINING"
" Treat yourself as how you would to others" as the saying goes. She treated man badly by saying nasty things by hating them ( like she has some gruge against them ) now she is getting the serious backlash from it. The most Ironic part is does she know that Female Vtubing target audiance are mostly male audiance or was she just caught up in the emotional argument and nevertake a moment to chill/forgot to stop and think that this would affect her career and end up offending her male followers. Funny, too caught up in the moment to win the argument and block the guy but next day ends up getting called out by the internet. Bet the guy that got block by her is serious laughing his ass off right now.
@@brandon-qc1ul oh, I mean the part where she mentioned that she knew that people were treating her the way they would want to be treated but she was unhappy with it because that's not the way she wanted to be treated: 2:02
@@Irish_Wristwatch101 she expects people to be able to read her mind and know that she just wanted to vent and not advice. If society goes by her thinking, then no one would want to help anyone anymore out of the fear that they might accidentally offend the other person.
Lol.. What an apology. She definitely used misandry. And was Sexist. Being delusional about what she said.. Knowing how these types work. She'll go right back to it. They're all the same. Misandry is hatred, dislike, or mistrust of men.
without the sexist comment, she was being overly dramatic in there. When she were suggested "you can take pizza without tomato sauce" or pick another flavor, she said "those aren't even pizza". Girl, it's round, it's flat bread, it got toppings, it's baked in oven. It's pizza.
The men hating comments came out way too naturally, i already was saying in my head that apology is bs before even seeing her past posts. The real question is how many of her type jumped on the vtubing bandwagon, thinking let me get some money from these stupid men.
Man, she could have easily just ignored them or at least thanked them for having concern for her, but her mind turned instantly toward man hate. It boggles the mind when western streamers/vtubers say this stuff given their audience base. Shows a lack of maturity and self-awareness, or maybe narcissism?
I hate this new crap about treating people the way they want to be treated. First of all, how am I supposed to know how you want to be treated without you telling me. Secondly, the fact that a person expects to be treated a certain way is an issue. What if I’m a complete a-hole and I expect you treat me like a king? Is that a healthy relationship? Just pure nonsense.
Honestly, I don't know where the "people are only helping her" part came from. Based on how I see it, there's no "help". People are just stating what they know. There was no problem in the first place to "help". Also, if she's "venting", then she wouldn't engage in any dispute/argument. You're venting or telling what you feel. Who cares what others think. She's not venting but trying to get other's attention.
@@konaqua122 I would say they are trying to help by letting her know that she still has the chance to enjoy what she loves (pizza) without getting affected by her tomato allergies, by informing her of other available alternatives to tomatoes.
@@ootdega if the follower number didn't went down she wouldn't feel the need to do the apology wich sounds a lot like damage control rather than a heartfelt apology
@@ootdega Saw you comment the same thing about money. Obviously it doesn’t make the apology count if the numbers stayed the same. What they said was uncalled for, all they’re doing is damage control. Only reason why she’s giving a “damn” is because she received backlash which ruined her community.
She worded it poorly, but I think the idea here is that sometimes, people don't want someone to talk to them when they are angry. They want someone to quietly and silently listen to their rant, nod their head, and (at least pretend) to agree and commiserate with them. No further input from them needed. What most of the responders were doing was the opposite; making noise that was unwanted (however genuine and good-hearted it was) by someone who was not seeking response to their venting. That said, if she wanted to vent, there are better platforms that aren't public. She should've used those instead. By making it public, she invites all sorts of replies, since people aren't mind readers and won't know the actual desire behind the public post, making it impossible for them to know she wants condolences as opposed to advice. Thus, by trying to be kind and offer advice or suggestions, they inadvertently come across as selfish by not considering what she wants or needs in that moment, rather than what they feel they should do in that moment. Just my take, anyway. I think she made a poor choice in words there, and definitely shouldn't have complained in public if she wasn't ready for the wide potential in responses.
What I get from her apology wasn't "I'm sorry that I said those things, I've reflected on the things I said and feel bad for hurting you." What I read from it is "The _situation_ was bad, and the _words_ were bad, but I'm not that type of person, so you can't blame me. Here's several paragraphs of excuses including one that paints me as a victim." That's not how apologies are supposed to work. If you have an excuse to explain your behavior, it should come from a place of understanding what made you act that way so you will never act that way again. Saying "I was just looking to vent" and "I never expected this to spread as far as it did" just excuses yourself from the act, as in "Don't blame me for this. I just wanted to vent and none of you could figure that out, so I was forced to lash out." Instead it should have been, "I forgot that social media isn't the right place to vent, and when sympathetic responses came back, instead of realizing I had made a mistake and letting it go, I doubled down and made the situation worse by lashing out. I'm responsible for the escalation, and I feel deep regret for it." And every insincere apology has to end with the chef's kiss of turning yourself into the victim. "Oh yeah, and by the way, you should feel bad because someone somewhere was mean to me." The only time the pity stuff should come out in an apology should be in the context of, "Now that I've been treated in the same way I was treating you, I can feel how you felt during all this and I empathize. It's wrong of me that it took receiving an equal abuse before I could feel that empathy, but it's in the past now and all I can do is express my deep regret and shame, and promise that starting now I will work to not be that person anymore."
nah keep it going and just make her graduate. i know these kind of people won't change, and if they want to be hateful they shouldn't have a platform to speak on.
@@birthdayzrock1426 you can say what you want but if you're going to be a terrible person take it somewhere else. i guess blatant sexism is completely fine by you.
When she said "or make it seem like I hated all men" like girl legit? You literally blamed men for trying to help you💀 And plus they can't know how you "want to be treated" they aren't mind readers, just say you should've gave them a statement. Even if it wasn't in the main post say it is one of the replies instead of being rude and saying "ew gross".
She probably isn’t sorry at all. She saw how hard she was getting ratio’d and went “Oh shit, I’m losing followers, I need to do something.” Cue apology post.
The apology isn't even written as a apology like every internet apology, she says she is sorry, but then tries to justify something that can't be justified, it's not like people were being rude or anything, they were just giving advice, being infuriated doesn't mean you can be a douchebag. The apology is basically "sorry not sorry".
Redemption is a long road, I hope she takes the correct route. For now I will hope her the best and will not pass judgement unless she continues this behavior after returning
I'm sorry, but I can't for the life of me rationalize how ANYONE can say "people only think how they want to be treated, not how I want to be treated" in response to help and advices. That woman's messed up in the head.
The line about "they were treating me how they wanted to be treated, instead of how I wanted to be treated" kinda rubs me the wrong way. Like, the people who were giving genuine advice were most likely doing so out of empathy and wanting to show a shred of humanity. And before this line, she admits that it was her fault that it went down this route as well as something she could have done differently... so why keep this line in? It feels like she's still trying to justify her response in some way to me, but that's just my opinion. I could be reading too deeply into it.
I get she was frustrated, and its great that she apologized (whether the apology was sincere or not is not for me to say)... However these sorts of viewpoints don't just come from nowhere. You don't just get angry and all of a sudden generalize an entire gender, group of people, or anything of the like unless you harbor at least something resembling those views. Those are viewpoints you harbor for very long periods of time. Chances are this wasn't an "Oopsy, i said something i didnt mean" moment, but more of an "Oopsy, i let my mask slip" scenario... i hope i am wrong because honestly we have enough hatred in the world but odds are... im at least close...
Let’s be real… that apology isn’t too great either… You know an apology is really forced (through gritted teeth) and kinda shit when a lot of what is said is blame shifting and playing the victimhood card. Probably only thing she’s really sorry about is her lost business, not her actions.
@@GravitasZero Honestly yeah. The apology feels very corporate damage control imo, and people seldom make public apologies because they are sorry for what they did, but rather sorry they got caught/are facing consequences for their actions. Just trying to tread lightly as I have seen so many situations like this in some way that I am starting to feel tired of them and that my judgement on these topics is... Quite blurry..
Her apology reeks of corpo speak, has multiple red flags, AND she has a history of doing the same things. People don't just change overnight. I think it's clearly just damage control.
You have to be either incredibly delusional or overwhelmingly naive to think, or even asume that such rude behavior won't escalate to worse consequences. This apology doesn't add up, it feels as if she just tries to control the damage she caused and honestly there is no excuse to what she said.
Being _that_ blatantly s-xist is not something that the internet can forgive overnight, so good luck to her changing into a better person. She should probably look to getting therapy or some kind of self help now instead of moving past it.
that's hilarious … I like to check out a few minutes of about any vtuber I see just to get an idea of what's going on [there are a LOT once your algo gets keyed in] and even the ones that are bad at faking sincerity are better than that!
Imagine being a vtuber that have an anime avatar, and 80% of otaku that likes it is male. And you ranting about them, and still think your career as said vtuber would not get any damages. This is the same type of person that became vtuber and said they hate anime. Like bruh...
Sounds an awful lot like her VTuber Persona is exactly that: a persona. And when she started attacking men, it was an instance of her mask slipping and her audience getting a glimpse of who she really is. And now this backpedal is something that an agent or publicist whipped up for her to mitigate the backlash.
I think it's very unfair to assume she didn't mean her apology. People say some stupid shit when they're upset/overwhelmed, as most of us probably know from our own experiences. Not sure what people expect her to do other than apologize? Personally I think it was a decent apology. Only time will tell if she was genuine or not. In the meantime let's not hold grudges like children🙂
She quite literally insulted her entire fanbase and even men in general, yet people should forgive her just like that? Don't make me laugh. "Being the bigger person" is completely useless in REAL life
Yeah, pretty bad apology. Don’t understand how people are “well at least she apologized”. It’s not an apology, it’s excuses, justifications, blame shifting and playing victim. Are people so bad with words that they can’t tell when an apology isn’t really one?
Onesly if my way of making money is 70% based on how many man i can make watch my Virtual avatar I wouldn't be so open about my dislike AT LEAST (Sorry for the weird spelling im not a native speaker)
Well, let's see if she improves. That'll show if the apology was genuine or not. I don't know her whatsoever, so I'm in no position to cast judgment, even though imo she DID go pretty dang far in her initial lashing out. It happens, though. We're human.
@randomsongsinlocrian Well, as the guy in the video said. Here's to hoping. Maybe that's the only way she knew how to apologize. Maybe she needed a slap into reality. I don't know. I'm all for second chances, though. The third and fourth time becomes harder, however, and past that it's pretty sure that they're beyond help.
She isnt saying sorry for what she said, shes sorry that she wont be making maximum amounts of money through her men of paypiggys to sustain her anymore.
Being mad at people for "Treating you how they would want to be treated" is wild considering that's a moral virtue taught to all of us while growing up. Also another case of women lashing out due to a lack of understanding about men. Our natural response to hearing a problem is to immediately troubleshoot solutions in order to get rid of the problem that's causing... problems. While we do do it, we don't often waste time simply venting.
Wasn't she the one laughing at the people that were unfollowing her after the whole situation? Seems like she just apologized because she could not take the heat.
Sounds very corpo, from the line 'I'm going to be taking a break from twitter and not monitoring my account' Idk to me, it sounds more like agency has sorta put a 'hold' on the account to prevent any larger drama from breaking out and wait till dust settles
wow didnt expect to see someone that fills my feed to be on your channel. Seems they got a little ahead of themselves and lashed out. They were my go to example of a lewd Vtweeter even tho they did stream. Their vast amount of time was spent tweeting based on their number of tweets. I am surprised that someone actually apologized for misandry of all things. I hope their health gets better but they serve as a good example to similar peers in that circle to chill out on twitter and spend more time making content.
She's sorry she got blasted on Twitter. "It wasn't rooted in misandry" my ass. Admit you have a problem with men. As long as she's not even admitting she's a sexist, I'm not buying that she'll improve.
Well I hope it’s actual change, but I have no context of her besides what I’ve seen in the videos. Good luck with whatever’s going on at your house Hei! Hope everyone has a wonderful day and hope Pikamee and her fans have a fantastic rest of the month (Can I get late heart?)
She out right says in her apology letter that "It did not come from a place of misandry". When yes it clearly did. She hasn't learned anything. When she said she could have handled it better. All she means is she is going to hide her misandrist thoughts better.
Except her posts did come from a place of misandry, and she’s just backpedaling because she realized that she can’t succeed as a vtuber by alienating half the world’s population.
Women are allergic to accountability, I swear to God. "i just wanted to venttt i didn't mean to insult the people i insultedddd please come back and give me donoationssss" if a guy pulled this shit he would be laughed into the ground
Decent apology imo especially when compared to the other apologies content creators have made but it's entirely worthless if she continues to behave this way in the future. Nothing we can do now but hope for the best.
