Vtubing Is A Scam... 

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Hope for the best, but expect the worst.

@@demoman5844 you can make your own vtuber, that will cut a lot of the cost for the streaming setup, you will need some good mic and whatever other expens you will need for streaming, because like rev said, 700$ + whatever streaming hardwere you will need is a lot to invest in just streaming without know if that is even what you wanna do! let alone do it serious!

That's what I did, can't do 2D models but I made a cheap 3D one.

That what I'm doing except my model doesn't move... yet. The more the channel grows the more I'll work on everything. The channel is a complete dumpster fire but hey I lost $0. XD.

Juni is cracked in the best way possible.

I love Juni but man does she need to chill with them models sometimes lol

i´m not even a fan of the whole vtuber stuff but i respect the hell outta juniper. Girl´s build different and awesome for it.

It does cost something. The main vtuber rigging software (live2d) is like 16$/month. So yeah, it's cheap, but it's not nothing

Depends on your POV I guess. Time is money, specially for streamers, so there is that.. Honestly idk if she streams while working on her models, I suppose that would balance things out.

This 🙌

You're literally animating a main character. Imagine how much the artists and the animators that worked on Kirby recieved.

Let's face it. The primary issue is taxes and economic instability have made this more expensive than logical, but while I do understand the fees riggers need, I also understand why many rookies do need cheaper alternatives. If one just begun, the high investment is a bad idea.

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo This is an issue of inexperienced business people not realising they are missing out on a niche market. These artists/riggers could offer a cheaper alternative for startups where the quality is lower (but still consistent) so they have less of a workload on it and the value of the work is overall, lower.

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Exactly

Do not speak our secrets.

😂😂😂lol

Good luck to you 🙏🙏🙏

Same. Honestly you can get a basic model off of booth and add things using blender.

haha yeah wonder if they'd accept, an order that like "rig this and that smth worth 300 dollar"

not only u get vertex rig ur model u it also cheap 🙌

can confirm, he sold them to me

Would add to that, you also have to actually stream and/or create content. I joke about it sometimes, but there are vtubers out there who stream like 2 times a month and 1 of those is usually a redebut with a new model.

yeah that’s why Rushia/Mikoneko/Amemiya still able to have audience after a conflict on her previous character, because people like her personality

Didnt IronMouse started with a default model? Just an example of a popular Vtuber

@@icarue993 Yeah, Even Vroid models can be a good start.

spending 1k to 1.5k if your spending anything above that your way overspending or being ripped off because yes it a lot of work but even 500$ is a big spend. For sure not for a first time.

@@129das Very true, you can get a very nice laptop or pc to stream and play games with that amount instead of a model.

How long do you think it would take you to make a 2D character?

Basically people looking at success stories and think its easy, when the reality is most people are not nearly as interesting as they think they are. The vtuber models are a brand symboi, but if your brand sucks nobody is gonna care if you took out a second mortgage for your equipment and model.

People spending thousands are those who are established and have made it after being in the game for a long while. Because they’re entertaining and loved that they can keep alternating over and over.

yes i have seen a couple of small vtubers that have the charisma of tomato, you can tell just by looking a couple minutes of watching their stuff

There are some who start with even companies backing them up but they struggle to get an audience because they don't manage to handle the whole streaming deal very well.

Exactly most small japanese twitch vtubers are just a PNG

There's plenty of cheap things IRL. What do you mean?

@@KDB349 such as?

Even the Dollar store has gone up in price, but that's the easiest cheap thing on the list

My family has one of those bunk bed couches, like a large metal frame of hollow bars and a couple mattress. The bottom can go between couch and flat bed, and the frame busted in the center. I fixed it with a leather belt, a small log, and a mostly flat rock. Compared to a hundred or more dollars for a new couch, I'd say that's a pretty cheap fix, and it's worked for a couple years.

@@Dargon818 *What do you mean Dollar Store doesn't sell things for a dollar anymore*

Sir, painting like three objects for this one asset and adding three bones for it is not a groundbreaking achievement, it's up to 15 minutes of work. Don't paint it like 15 minutes of work justifiably let you earn 500$

@@WwZa7 not sure what you are basing this answer on, he never said it was simple features, some things can be quite time consuming to do. Ofc there are people charing $500 extra to get a different color or a fucking hat, but that is not always the case.

@@kuro19382 Define what's not simple than. Something like just wings that can move is still simple, two layers each, two bones, simple physics, done. Glasses would be bit more tricky, you need 3 different bones, and each behaving slightly differently, but still that is simple. The most complex thing usually are smooth geometries like boobs, but that is obviously not something you add or change on whim, it stays with your character.

"a few hundred" if you want a simple rigging you can do it yourself, it isn't that hard.

Better paper than normal printing paper is always a plus especial if you want to ink your drawings. I never use pure cotton paper. As for the maker, experiment.

There’s plenty of free to cheap ones you can get just to try it out

@@VolticWind Yes! that too :)

so uh, who's gonna tell him?

@@Reddyroe I will

ITS A FUCKING GUY

All the more reason why people like Juniper is super amazing Spends almost no money Except....she spends like 24 hour long rigging days on herself. 7 models thus far I think

​@@kazakhstanisastate4614 I've been tricked, hoodwinked, and possibly bamboozled!

You might be a CG artist but have you considered that the cutting the rigger usually has to do is incredibly tedious since the majority of art being delivered is not cut properly? rigging isn't as simple as it seems either most of the riggers I personally met work usually 3-4 weeks on the model to get everything just right that the client wants and that is with art provided by the client. like I'm not saying the prices are right but to simplify it that much is also wrong. you are saying for a 3d model it's a bit closer but that is more wrong if we talking about the general 3d models that are used by vtubers. They are miles easier to make and take a lot less time to do.

​@@Raya.T You have absolutely no idea how 3D works, do you? I know that rigging is tedious and hard, but it's deffinitely not 3 weeks to a month of full time work hours, just for rigging, assuming you already had prepared proper assets. I have created both 2D rigged characters and 3D rigged characters (I know you can find only old minecraft stuff on my channel, but over these past 10 years I done much, much more than that of professional work), it is difficult and time consuming indeed, but it's not as bad as you paint it... And than you come from assumption that 3D just is simpler... BOY! You just haven't seen a well made 3D anime-like character, haven't you? Most likely you did, but it was so well done, that you didn't even knew it was 3D. Point being, if you take the quality of a professionally drawn 2D character, for texturing a 3D character, model and rig it properly, I assure you, you will not even notice it is a 3D character. And that's why people just opt for 2D - why would you add aditional labor to model the entire thing, and rig it in 3 dimensional space, and also put your GPU into slightly bigger strain due to amount of textures and verticles on it? What you usually see used as 3D characters, are models created from 3D character generators, with already rigged almost everything. You than just need to slightly modify the shape, add some assets, your own hair, and texture it, but you can just be lazy and put some colors onto it, and it will still look fine. But if you want something high quality, you either need to modify it so much that you will have to re-rig most of it, or do it all from scratch. So in conclusion, yes 3D is much more consuming if you want it to be as of high quality as 2D. But if you don't have time or money, it's easier to make something in 3D.

As an artist myself, you should be more objective. Jacking up prices like that hurts everyone, even other artists.

@@WwZa7 something like making the commissioner feel as if they're getting a worse piece because they weren't charged an arm and a leg?

@@user-rv8yv4yh9n Rather that normalizing insane and unfair prices makes people think that everyone will price themselves this much, so they won't even bother finding someone cheaper. Therefore killing potential clients. It doesn't apply to everything, but in this situation, between something that's meh but sellable and something of high quality, there isn't as big of a difference in workload as is in prices. That's why upwards unfair prices are directly harmful to smaller artists, on top of what you said. But I guess art world just is very unfair.

@@WwZa7 When a work is worth the money I don't see a reason for artists to not charge it. Especially known artists who made a name for themselves can and should ask for more than lesser known artists. Keep in mind that becoming a good artist is neither easy, nor fast and if you apply the salary per hour few get a lot of money.

@@ThePandafriend "good artist" doesn't matter. Only fame.

Pro tip: tourniquet, amputate, cook. Keep the rest fresh for later.

You don't really need skill in games. You "just" need to be entertaining and keep people engaged. You don't even need a good pc and microphones which are sufficient for starting cost maybe 50$. I'm pretty sure that you can get for less than 500$ into the industry. Commission a png for maybe 50$, mic for 50$ and everything else is free or something which you probably already have. Of course being entertaining is not an easy task and you need to make a character. And of course it's not for everyone and I'm pretty sure that most who see it as an "investment" fail.

@@ThePandafriend You don‘t need it but it makes growing easier. I‘ve turned away from certain streams because I deemed to audio quality to not be good enough, game/stream having some stutters or the overlay/notifications being either too distracting or not there at all. And while skill in games is not a requirement it most certainly makes it easier because for some people watching someone skilled is entertaining enough. In conclusion while you can‘t buy success you can make the road significantly less steep. That‘s just my opinion/observation though :)

As the saying goes: more money than brains.

Wait do you mean $1 minimum wage? $100 an hour is way more than I make here in USA. Congratulations on the upgrades!!

@@Akindal89 She probably means monthly wage.

@@Akindal89 Is not it monthly? What did you assume? I don't understand.

@@RanmaruRei its common here for people to express their pay in dollars per hour rather than dollars per month until they make it to a job with a salary pay rate.

I wanna make my own model as well.. can you just draw whatever you want on vroid or do you need a program like photoshop as well?

@@thatanimegirlwiththecape4807 you start off with a base to change face and body shape, but for custom skin textures and clothes textures something like photoshop is essential

@@EnvisMavros good to know. Thanks for replying

@@thatanimegirlwiththecape4807 ofc! Good luck with all your future endeavors, I’m excited to see the content you make!

+interest; because lets be honest many vtubers just want to make cash as easily as possible. So if you wanted to make vtuber model of peanut-kun(I was expecting more less chibi design), you have to pay for the commission, along with interest on top of it.

@@UmbreonFlash yea true and "peanut-kun" lol. But yea I have even considered of becoming a Vtuber myself but not sure if I should do so

@@fuzzynuttz5092 I mean if you really want to become vtuber, and not bother wasting money on it. Then why not simply make one by yourself? I mean, "I" myself have some knowledge with making anime art experience. I even have 2019 drawing pad too. You know the say, two make a better effort of working out in gym then themselves right?

@@UmbreonFlash ahh I see and I already have an image of what I would like my Vtuber model would be about and it would be an Army Drill Sergeant but a part of me feels like it could probably be seen as disrespect cause I'm not a Drill Sergeant myself but my Vtuber personality would be based on a couple of my Drill Sergeants

@@fuzzynuttz5092 For starters it might be better idea to learn how to draw yourself with circles as height for the base. Then draw your shoulders and hip ratio-etc. While adding the features too. I mean I have a lot idea, just lack motivation doing this by myself. Just that I had vtuber beginner buddy just to get started. Level 1 •Draw yourself in anime ~ • Learn to use OBS software ✓ • Strengthen and tone your voice for anime voice ~

@@hahmann Greed is the reason why some people can't afford to pay for food, medicine, and housing. Also, it would be kind of crappy to charge someone more for the same product with no major changes to anything.

Some people pay also for the artist (the vmodel mama)'s fame. Also, is not wrong to charge what you think you deserve and more because technically, artists are also charging for commercial use unlike their usual stuff that is only for personal use only. They are paying for full ownership of the model + time + experience for it.

@@skullysinner Actually any artist that is charging a streamer for commercial use and or full ownership of any model they are commissioned for is scamming people and needs to stop. Because commercial use by definition requires a financial transaction to take place which does not take place on streams due to them being free to watch and donating to a streamer is not the same as buying a movie ticket. Furthermore, artists do not own any part of any work they commissioned for. If I pay someone to make a model based on my own original character, they don't own it, I do. Lastly charging people more for the same work because you think you deserve it rather than based on any of the reasons listed in my initial comment is greedy plain and simple.

You can transplant something from Vroid, or CC0 models from the internet and modify them yourself.

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Oh I'm so glad that I can increase my prices just because I spent 12 years learning art. Right? RIGHT? Makes so much sense XD

Our beloved Rhombus Shork.

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Big facts. Additionally, if you're attractive, you can charm your way out of trouble.

I disagree, most would actually want to watch someone that is more entertaining than attractive when it comes to V-tubers. The looks are just a small part of it, being fun and having a nice personality is what makes them great.

This point becomes a little more valid when he's obviously picked a girl model for that reason too. 😂

Nah. You probably only watched vtubers from vshojo that doesnt do anything else other than lewd things most of the time. Don't even compare them from hololive idols which are all good in terms of personality. Hololive idols appreciate their supporters so much and doesn't just bait them by doing lewd things. The only ones that are good from vshojo is kson and nazuna which originally came from hololive

that only helps at the start you will hit a wall if that your angle unless your doing porn or soft porn.

Amen snakedude4lfe!lol 🤘🏼😎💪🏼🐍🇺🇸

Good thing you separated the syllables of that last word. They yote one of my comments into Oblivion for it.

On god it is