*logically illogical just to throw other races off as to what they are actually up to and keep them off balance with their own irrational emotional estimations and inaccurate theories*
Its a good thing that Vulcan suppressed their aggressive tendencies because the 1st contact could have been a invasion force rather then a peace force.
issue is the vulcans went to far into logic so many vulcans talk and experince life like there robots unwilling to geuinely experince the emotional side of life at all only a few like spock and his family learned to balance the idea of living by logic while not denying emotion. while the romulans became extrem in the other direction a middle ground bewteen the species ways of life would be the best and most healthy if not the most centrally stable.
Vulcans are like cats.Desert creatures. Calm, detached but can instantly turn viscous, violent. Amazingly strong and adaptable but happy in their own company but able to bond with humans.
I have something to say about Vulcan blood. Though most animals on earth have red blood, some have blue. The blue color is caused by the iron being replaced with copper. The Vulcans, however, have green blood. Some animals on earth also have green blood that has something similar sounding to chlorophyll replacing the iron. Since Vulcan is a hot and sunny-ass planet, it’d make sense for most life on the planet to make use of the extra sun, maybe by having everything performing photosynthesis to a degree. That’s just my theory to rectify a scientific inaccuracy. I’m most likely wrong but so was whoever decided the green blood thing.
Octopus blood is copper based and it's blue, not green. Recently, a group of 33 scientists worldwide-including molecular immunologist Edward Steele and astrobiologist Chandra Wickramasinghe-published a paper suggesting, in all seriousness, that octopuses may indeed are alien.
@@readhistory2023 We have "blood" invented at least 5 times on planet earth. There's the haemoglobin (red) blood in all vertebrates that turns darker red when deoxygenated. There's the haemocyanin (blue) blood in octopuses, spiders and molluscs that turns clear when deoxygenated. Then there's Chlorocruorin (green) blood that turns just a different shade of green if deoxygenated and you'll find in many worms and leeches. There's a purple variation (Abin Sur anyone?) called haemorythrin that you'll find in many ocean creatures - worms and brachiopods mainly - and that one also turns clear when deoxygenated. And lastly there's a version that you'll find in many fish - clear, colorless blood that has no color whatsoever because it has no oxygen carrying ingredients. And of all those types, the red one is the most efficient at surface pressures while the blue copper one is about 80% as efficient at surface pressures but it has some benefits over red blood at higher pressure.
I thought human blood obtained its reddish hue due the iron-oxide in hemoglobin, de-oxygenated blood is blue, as it lacks the oxygen present in iron-oxide. Oxides of copper have a greenish hue, thus Vulcan and Romulan blood would possess coloration common to the oxygenating agent.
Well done! There was an article some years back (an "interview" with Spock) in which he described a great deal of Vulcan culture. One thing I remember was that there was a form of recreation in which a Vulcan had to walk out into the desert, being mindful of every step and all the details...he then had to find his way back, using the exact same steps, in the pitch darkness.
Must be an old ritualistic test, in which a Vulcan is responsible of finding their own way while also concentrating on maintaining control over their emotions in isolation. Most adult Vulcans could do this, but imagine one who had only started their meditation, lile say, a child or teenager. It must have been like hell to keep your mind strong enough.
Well when the species you interact the most can barely go past 100 years and tends to be rather emotional when it comes to their age especially getting jealous if someone seems "more well preserved" then them, you'd be private about your age too. I mean I don't consider myself to be all that vain when it comes to my age yet I was positively surprised when I found out that people thought that I was only in my mid 20s rather then my true age of late 30s (and as a man I obviously don't normally wear any make up so my age isn't hidden that way). Granted I live in modern day Europe and not the Federation but those things tend to be part of the human condition and something we would learn to control better rather get rid of.
@@JustAnNPC69 actually it's 220 at the most, in the star trek universe, unless you are referring to a specific Vulcan or storyline. Average lifespan is two hundred years.
T'Pol refused to tell Trip her age until he told her she reminded him of an old oil painting. She finally admitted she'd be 66 on her next birthday. To Vulcans, one's she is intimate. I guess so is their birthdays since she didn't tell him when she'd turn 66. She looks young for 66 though so I figure, she'd be about earth 20 yrs. younger.
Despite Vulcans suppressing their emotions they still express strong emotional attachment to valued family and friends. Spock to Kirk, Tuvok to Janeway, etc. And in the Field of Fire episode the Vulcan Lieutenant became psychotic because everyone he cared about was killed.
Weird to think that a time that was once considered so far in the away that a futuristic sci fi show used it as a setting, is now a mere 43 years away.
_"It's life Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it._ _It's life Jim, but not as we know, not as we know it, captain."_ - Spöck
I think a good way to understand the relationship a Vulcan has to emotions is basically this: They are in complete control of their emotions, rather than their emotions being in control of them. They have emotion, but they don't allow the emotions to do the thinking. Logic guides the heart, rather than letting the heart run wild. Tuvok clearly cares for Janeway and Spock clearly cares for Kirk. But they would never let these emotions override their higher thinking. Their logic keeps their feelings in their proper place. Humans, we often times let our emotions guide our actions. But see I think that's why humans and Vulcans work so well together. They're two sides of the same coin. Vulcans are guided by logic, where as humans are more so guided by emotion. When the two work together, they can find the proper balance and end up with better solutions than either race could achieve on their own. It's fortune then that Vulcans were the first species humans made contact with, and this balanced relationship is probably one reason why the federation ended up become such a success.
@Mellm Except that genetic engineering was banned by the Federation except to correct birth defects in an already conceived fetus. The biochemical and thus genetic difference between humans and vulcans is so great that conception shouldn't even be possible. The gametes wouldn't be compatible.
@@gregoryspangler5775 I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it doesn't make sense for it to work. Klingon + Human makes more sense because their biochemistry is closer, even if it's still kinda nonsensical.
Who are you talking about? I am sorry. What was the Breen being put up against in the voting? The Silence? Wait...what are we typing about? I just see the Breen. Wait what is this "The Silence"? ....What are you going on about?
If you go with the Breen, check out the trial-sequences at the beginning and end of ST IV: There are some aliens in the background who look like early versions of the Breen. Maybe they were once some kind of associate members of the Federation (allies, but not fully integrated) and chose to leave at one point? (Breexit, anyone?😄) Great video about the Vulcans! Thank you for this! But let's forget about the "logic-extremists", shall we? There's nothing logical about them.
that would some what explain there hatred, but i do remember in serie enterprise in one episode that a race was dying becouse of some kind of virus but that a other species (living on the same planet) was imimuum against it. and had some dealings with pre federation starfleet orginisation du to contact with archer etc. so yea dont know with episode.. sadly
I love on Enterprise that one Vulcan told Archer That The Vulcans Feared the the Humans, because Humans have managed to do in just 50 years what took the vulcans 1500 years to accomplish. that is why they kept holding back warp technologies from the Humans for along time, and why Archer hated them for it.
The most obvious contradiction is that prior to logic Vulcans were a primitive tribal society. Except the Romulans had STL spacecraft in enough quantity to transport a large segment of the population elsewhere. So they were sophisticated and organized enough to built a fleet of long range STL spacecraft. Something beyond our current capability. So they couldn't have been too badly off. The idea that their planet experienced multiple nuclear wars isn't supported by their biology as a few tens of thousands of years wouldn't have allowed them to adapt. Now on the other hand if modern Vulcans were genetically engineered and wiped out the original Vulcans that would explain a lot and the revisionist history was a cover up of that genocide. A parallel to what happened on Earth in the setting.
If we want to logically view the earth than we have to face the dark past earth had. Facts: - Human culture is USA culture. - Human language is USA language. - Human knowledge about our past is the USA knowledge about our past. - Human society looks and acts like USA society. Star Trek lore says: - USA developed Warp engine first and other nations were to lazy or cheap to develop theirs. ILLOGICAL! - In France French people speak British english. ILLOGICAL i will not continue.. What happened is: 1. The USA started the Third World War. 2. Destroyd almost every other nation on Earth. 3. Occupied every country on earth and Americanized them, changed their language and their culture. 4. Sometimes the occupation was made by their vassals like in France where the UK made the dirty job. 5. The USA rewrote the history and reeducated the survivors of the Third World War. 6. The USA united the Earth and terrorized those people who doesn't wanted to assimilate. 7. After the Worldwide Reeducation and the genocide of those who were not willing to accept the New World Order finally the mankind united. The rewriten history and the killing of the independent thinkers made sure the mankind in the XXIII. and the XXIV. century became those self righteous know-everything-better better-than-other people we know and love. :) Sorry folks. This is the most logical scenario.
@@Zodroo_Tint That sounds way too damn hard. People are stubborn and will not bend; you'd have to perpetuate a genocide on a global scale, and it would only work if every other nuclear-capable nation just rolled over. I can't see totalitarian regimes like China capitulating like that. Additionally, it has been made apparent that holding locations like Afghanistan is really fucking hard; it took 20 years to hold it and "adopt" liberal values (not saying it's a good thing tbf).... it took less than 2 weeks for them to snap right back to their previous pre-war state of mind. You would literally have to kill every other human on the planet in order to kill every other culture; anything less would take far too long in order to fit in with the Star Trek timeline.
Admittedly, my knowledge is limited to the original run of Star Trek series & the movies, with ST: Enterprise being the most recent series, & ST: Nemesis being the most recent movie. During my Trek fandom period, I read the official novels set in TV & movie periods for TOS, NextGen, DS9 & Voyager; & I had an extensive library of tie-in books, blueprints & maps published during the same period. I always assumed Vulcan had various subcultures, partly regional (as on Earth) & partly philosophical. My takeaway from the various Vulcan personality types met during the franchise, coupled with things Surak told Archer in the episode where they met, was that Surak was teaching his people a philosophy of MODERATION, rather than pure logic & suppression of emotion. This means the practitioners of Kolinahr are extremists. One thing I really appreciated in ST:Enterprise was the way that Vulcans were not our familiar Vulcans. By that point in the show, it had been established that the Vulcan default methodology was slow & methodical. That was the point of contention between Vulcan & Earth. The Vulcans in that show were not used to regular interaction with brash, emotional species. Spock's grandmother T'Pau was a young woman, T'Pol's contemporary. The children alive during the events of Enterprise were the first generation to whom this alliance was normal. T'Pol was a Vulcan trailblazer, demonstrating how it was possible that 2 such dissimilar species could live & work together. Intrepid likely had an all-Vulcan crew because Vulcan culture was still adapting to the Federation. In the 23rd Century, the Federation was only about a century old. Slow, methodical cultures need time to adapt. This' why we didn't see multiple Vulcans fully integrated into multi-species crews until the late 23rd Century/early 24th Century!
What I love about the Vulcans is that they show how spirituality and ritual aren't necessarily 'illogical', since they can be means to an end. If they're the best way of achieving those ends, then these practices are, by definition, logical. We know as a matter of psychological fact that ritual practices are a great way of focusing the mind, help to make life more structured, and can help us to achieve a state of calm. They can also be used to help to create social cohesion (as in Confucian philosophy). Similarly with spirituality, if spirituality is defined in a loose non-supernatural sense. Meditation, again, is something we know has many psychological benefits, and the benefits of these practices to a people like the Vulcans are obvious.
one of my favourite Voyager episode is the one where Tuvok and Tom Paris get stranded on a planet with only one other person, and Tuvok and that alien woman basically fall in love and he just cant let himself buckle to the feeling even though its clear that it lingers between them. Twas a good one.
I always wondered if the “my mind to your mind” was necessary for the process of a mind meld, or if it just helped the person/people involved to focus and make it easier
Its worth noting that there where groups of vulcans who did permit themselves to explore emotions without too much drama (well except mind-rape dude), and while they where somewhat oppressed under the old vulcan high command, after the events of ST:ENT its not clear the more liberal Vulcan high command that emerged would have continued the suppression. Certainly mind melds apparently had become permitted, including with other humanoids (which would have unavoidably led to exposure to strong emotion).
There is an inconsistancy in Vulcan physiology. On a slightly higher gravity planet than Earth, one could think that the heart would better placed higher in the body than where they put it. It would beneficiate more from gravity and less have to fight against it, just like giraffes' hearts are at the base of the neck. So having the heart this low makes no sense. You could still consider that a vulcan heart would be on average bigger and stronger than a human heart by comparison, but still. I understand they wanted to include exotic features to make the species more alien, but they are still bipedal mammals with the same basic architecture just slightly stronger and more efficient organs due to more arid environment, so yeah, they could have had the heart at the same place and shape than humans, it wouldn't make any difference on the fact their blood is chemically different anyway and have other features specific to their evolution... As for Sarek, we could think that Sarek has a fetish on human females since at Amanda's death he remarries with another human female, Perrin instead of chosing a Vulcan (perhaps also because it would mean that the Vulcan female would either have to be the same age or they that they wouldn't be able to age at the same rythm. Another idea is that him being on Earth has played a role in his choice because close proximity made him prefer human females because they were the only ones near him during his Pon Farr and that possible Vulcan female colleagues would already be married.
You see well. They wanted to add something alien to it and they couldn't for budgetary reasons so they said his heart is where our liver is, "look I told you he is an alien". Real aliens in movies the Xenomorph the Predator, the Prawns and there is few more. Star Trek aliens are humans with very little or absolutelly no make up. I understand they had no money in the late 60's and I accept the original Klingon look, no need to explain with some ENT bullshit but we have to keep it real and say these are space opera aliens not real aliens, and Star Trek writers are not scientist but low paid nerds. I think they should have embraced the fact they are cheap and forget about these pseudoscientific bullcraps. If they look like us than obviously they look like us inside too. Heart is there for a reason, not because it could be anywhere in the body. Farscape and Babylon 5 did a better job with aliens. Even the Farscape peacekeepers who where human look a like were explained very good.
@@carlossantana4086 First of all, those 3x denser muscles have the same problem what the heart have, Vulcan have a human body so they should have the same limitation than humans have. Second: if their heart is not in the right hight than their body is an evolutionary failure. They are inferior as a species. You can't just say things like this liver-heart thing, it is lazy screen writing. One of the biggest flaw and charm of Star Trek. Don't fight against it, they are suck at science, accept it! :)
Evolution has many flaws, such as the spine, eyes, teeth, the nerve to speak being looped the long way round, so it is accurate that Vulcan’s would have at least some evolutionary mistakes too
I’ve always though that the Breen were a conglomeration of races and people, who simply chose to become Breen, and so wore the uniform, which provided them a perfect atmosphere and comfort. The Breen allowed some member species to be revealed early on to throw off the conceptions others had, and so people assumed the suits were refrigeration types and the beings within possessed no blood, which was actually only true for one of them.
We are led to believe that the Breen homeworld is a frozen wasteland but Weyoun states it's actually a normal pleasant planet they just wont tell outsiders why they wear refrigeration suits.
@@SchneeflockeMonsoon It's probably again like the Mando'ade. Each Suit built to it's wearers needs. So if you need a refrigeration suit, you get one, but if you don't, you'll get one without a refrig unit.
Whats funny is how vulcans in fact use emotions all the time, so they really don’t suppress as they choose to use logic more so than emotion, but still a lot of their decisions and they things they do, the things they wear or how they act aren’t based on logic sometimes but in fact emotional things.
I just realized how similar the history and nature of Vulcans are to Klingons. Only the Klingons overembraced their impulses and destructive feelings while the Vulcans totally suppressed them. They're like the two extreme answers to one and the same emotional problem. Plus they're both stronger than humans and have strong ties to rituals and spirituality. They could easily have switched positions, it was just historic events that made one race the explorers and the other the invaders.
If I remember correctly, a human scientist was doing an experiment with space travel and his experiments are what alerted the Vulcans that there’s not only more life out there, but they also have space travel.
Does anyone know if the Diane Duane novel _Spock's World_ is considered canon? It's a great read and has a lot of history on Vulcan mutations such as the protective inner eyelid and the rise of some of their 'psychic' powers. It also takes a look at (way) pre-Sarek Vulcan culture, possible in a time frame analogous to our pre-history when we shared the planet with Neanderthals. There is also a current time plot line concerning a movement on Vulcan for succession from the Federation, but I found that to be secondary to all the early history details. I've read it several times and it never fails to entertain.
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No book is considered canon. However, until a piece of information is not explicitely contradicted in alpha canon, it might be canonically true :)
I never understood how the vulcans must always suppress their emotions because they are so self-destructive and romulans are just fine being very paranoid. They have a bigger empire and better tech also.
The Vulcans of Star Trek much like the Jedi in Star Wars practice stringent emotional control because they fear what they can become if their emotions are left unchecked. Personally think a Vulcan would make the perfect Jedi or one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time.
from a star trek cannon book the vulcans are known as the T'Khasi and the planet Charon is known as T'Khuts. but the T'Khasians took on the name of Vulcan that the Humans gave them from mythology
If the Kolinahr is as painful as you depict at 7:26, than a Vulcan who was a student of its discipline would not express it, not even physically. I realize you were trying to show the medalian one gets when achieving the Kolinahr, but the image is actually of Spock feeling powerful emotions after being contacted by V'ger and, because he felt emotion, he did ot achieve the Kolinahr
Vulcans are three times as strong as humans yet Captain Archer was bustin Vulcan ass in the Forge when he was on their planet. Course Archer threw hands pretty good against Xindi Reptilians and Klingons too so maybe he was just a special dude.
I find myself preferring the history and lore of Vulcans as was written in the novel Spock's World and some additional details in Sarek. Both very good books to read.
i think the most frightening aspect of ancient Vulcan were the mind lords or those with incredibly destructive psionic abilities. As referenced in the stone of gol
This does explain why Spock never really showed emotion. I didn't understand it at the time when I did see clips of the first Star Trek. I also didn't know about the physical properties. My guess is that introducing Data nulled the necessary need for a Vulcan, but the same could be argued as to why would they have Worf, a Klingon. It was a way for the series to expand on other races. Now I need to watch about Klingons for comparison.
Vulcans are interesting and it surprised me how it was shown in Enterprise that they were a bit afraid of humans and their potential. It took vulcans over 1000 years to rebuild their civilization after their nuclear wars but humanity managed to do the same in less than a century. And I believe contemporary vulcans are still far from the true teachings of Surak. In Enterprise it seemed that Surak didn't completely repress his emotions, he only used his logic and meditation to control them.
2:37 From which episode is this? 11:22 There were, If I remember correctly, 2 more scripts for the Vulcan language. The one you describe in your video is used only for ceremonial purposes. 15:44 Peace and long life.
if you base the heart position on where Bones pointed it out to be located at the end of one of the TOS shows is actually was near the bottom of the left rib cage, which I believe is about where the stomach is in humans, if memory serves me properly. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GrVqmYzGTuM.html