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VW Audi Rattling Noise From Transmission Area 

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Have you a loud rattle noise and possibly a heavy vibration in your Volkswagen, Audi or Skoda?
Sounds like a can of marbles that can get better when revving or accelerating?
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VW TDI Dual Clutch Transmission
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@EXOVCDS
@EXOVCDS 3 года назад
Audio from multiple angles was a good idea! Nice to see that they rattle just as much in Australia as they do in North America! =)
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 3 года назад
Good to see ya again mate :) VW's rattle the world over LOL helps keep us all busy 🤣🤣
@krunoslavnegulic9939
@krunoslavnegulic9939 3 года назад
They rattle everywhere, in EU too
@Je_luna
@Je_luna 3 года назад
I have a concern. I just replaced my clutch with a stage 1 kit and flywheel thats 9lbs as soon as I turned the car over I her and chatter/rattle noise. Not loud but it was there. I had the car still lifted when I put in gear in 1st it didn't made noise but all other after made the noise and was pretty loud. Is this noise because I replace the dual mass flywheel or what could it be. Keep in mind all gears go in and engages
@krunoslavnegulic9939
@krunoslavnegulic9939 3 года назад
@@Je_lunaIt could be due to single mass fywheel. They do rattle after engaging
@Je_luna
@Je_luna 3 года назад
@@krunoslavnegulic9939 thanks. But yeah I started making some research and I'm pretty sure it is
@paulamarczuk4157
@paulamarczuk4157 5 месяцев назад
very nice!! thanks so much!! have been hearing the noise in my 2009 vw jetta tdi, multiple mechanics told me i needed a new transmission!! glad i kept researching the issue and finally came across your video!!
@TonysTechAndCars
@TonysTechAndCars Год назад
Thank you. I am getting something very similar on my 2012 Audi RS3. I can get a vibration in the car also sometimes on deceleration when going slowly. The rattling sounds is way more prominent and noticeable when the car is cold too
@ollach
@ollach 3 года назад
Spot on just what my amarock is doing!! Very helpful!
@BL1TZEN
@BL1TZEN 3 года назад
This is the EXACT noise I have on my Scirocco 2.0 TDI DSG and ALL the symptoms you describe are exactly that! Time to ring my mechanic!
@deank3727
@deank3727 3 года назад
Hi from Tipperary . I got a caddy 1.9tdi lockdown project Got new rad and thermostat and cleaned heater core so didn't run the van and started it today and I have that noise out of nowhere don't think it has that duel mass fly wheel head is melted 👍👍 thanks from the video s
@GoogleUser-rv4ij
@GoogleUser-rv4ij 2 года назад
Excellent audio! Thank you!!!!
@PugetSoundFlyer
@PugetSoundFlyer Год назад
Brilliant - this just started happening today to my '06 Jetta TDI .
@MiracleMAX
@MiracleMAX 3 года назад
Well done mate, I had no idea they had a DMF! What a weird industry we are in!
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 3 года назад
Yep we sure are buddy, lots of 🤔🤔🤔🤨 moments trying to figure it all out 😂😂
@bessemgh5995
@bessemgh5995 3 года назад
amazing video nice editing clear vocal (y)
@marko_._
@marko_._ 3 года назад
Very nice information!
@masonmax1000
@masonmax1000 2 года назад
Ive been trying to figure out that noise for way to long now lmfao thank you.
@cameronmcfarland5520
@cameronmcfarland5520 3 года назад
I've seen multiple automatics that with a broken flexplate sounds pretty similar.
@taschahal
@taschahal 3 года назад
Brilliant man
@leifroren2452
@leifroren2452 Год назад
Great video 👍 I have the exact same problem on my VW Golf Variant MK5. I Will order the flywheel from Autodoc ( cheapest i found) and soon replace it myself. It dont look to hard to do, only time consuming. I think i Will make a video of it as well and post here on youtube. Thanks for all info, this was very helpful 👍
@stromberg3361
@stromberg3361 3 года назад
I have this sound just when i drive in gear 2 ,or when i drive with gear 2 on offroad roads.
@ronmckean9505
@ronmckean9505 2 года назад
Thank you so very much for this video!!!!
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 2 года назад
Cheers Ron
@BRZO.RACING
@BRZO.RACING 3 года назад
great video
@Juppie902
@Juppie902 2 года назад
My 5 speed man golf v sdi 2.0 has a metallic rattle when changing gears. Not sure if clutch, flywheel or both. Also when going into 2nd from 1st sometimes it grinds a little (I replaced some bushings at the accessible top of the gear handle and readjusted the gear selector bowden cable ties but little effect)
@DT-ih5dv
@DT-ih5dv 2 года назад
Top vid thanks Yorkshire UK
@Data4664
@Data4664 6 месяцев назад
Yes right and its also shaking a LOT noise and shaking the whole car is sick, thnxs
@strikeeaglemodels1588
@strikeeaglemodels1588 3 года назад
Hi been getting some tinky clicky noices from my DSG gear box when in 1st 2nd gear. Comes and goes. Started few days ago. Any idea's? Audi tts mk2 8j 2009
@sohomaroanie156
@sohomaroanie156 3 года назад
Thanks that was very helpful, especially with the different sound clips.
@F41L1NG
@F41L1NG 3 года назад
There are a few flywheels which one out off these 2 is the right one or are they both the same
@somap8380
@somap8380 2 года назад
Thank you.
@upupandaway5646
@upupandaway5646 2 года назад
Wow very nice info .would you ever go to a single mass on a standard 2006 tdi.thank you
@mofine23
@mofine23 2 года назад
thanks for this
@daviddeakin7414
@daviddeakin7414 3 года назад
Mine is goin in the shop Friday, i have vw touran 2.0 tdi with dsg automatic. Luckily i still have warranty on the car
@paulsaxby7368
@paulsaxby7368 3 года назад
Rattling good info Gerard
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 3 года назад
😂😂 Cheers Paul 😂😂😂
@zakkria
@zakkria 3 года назад
@@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage are you in uk ? would love to bring my car to you :)
@Mikefngarage
@Mikefngarage 3 года назад
DMF is a common problem and not too hard to repair. But the part is pretty expensive. DSG transmission if taken care of Last for a lot of miles or K.
@a.h7761
@a.h7761 Год назад
Hi there Very helpful explanation 👍 Can you please tell me if this symptoms can be from bad injectors, Because i have the same problem with mine and different people saying different things? I would really appreciate any comments
@beng231
@beng231 3 года назад
Excellent video I have the start of this but its not that loud on mine but at least I know to shift it before it gets as bad as this and did I mention this is a good video very clear and instructive! Thanks
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 3 года назад
Thank you 🙏
@rockyblacky3667
@rockyblacky3667 3 года назад
Thank you Sir! That was very informative! My car is octavia 1,4tsi dsg7 2011 I have that nose in cold mornings, but after warm up, it disappears... Could this problem with dmfw also effect the work of my transmission,? Because I get some sort of vibrations on low rpm when increasing speed from 1st to 2nd , from 2nd to 3rd gear. And that happens only when the gearbox gets fully warmed... SOUNDS STRANGE when cold there is noise but when it gets warm 95 degrees c transmission starts to act wierdly ... there are no those symptoms when it is cold.... Thank you P.s. we have replaced clutch, spark plugs, ignition coils, motor oil, but it did not help...
@KurtG85
@KurtG85 2 года назад
mine is making a very similar noise. it usually only happens or at least is noticeable at startup but it's getting louder and louder. 06 Jetta TDI manual. is this part present on a manual transmission? if not, any other ideas what it could be?
@HorizontalCrank
@HorizontalCrank 2 года назад
Would there be vibrations at certain rpms Accelerating in an automatic? I have a DSG 2013 Golf tdi, thanks!
@gersonrendon2188
@gersonrendon2188 2 года назад
I'm trying to get a mk7 golf but they aren't very abundant where I live. I found one today with 60,000 km and it's in great shape but the car sounds like this one minus the sound from the transmission that you mention in this video. My question is is this sound normal? To me it sounds like a Diesel engine but it bothers me since this is a TSI. I've asked around and some people say it's just the tensioner and timing belt that need changing, but it seems to me it is too early for such a repair.
@malcolmyoung7866
@malcolmyoung7866 3 года назад
Gerard I must admit, on first listen I diagnosed a DMF issue but then when you mentioned what you were working on, a VW/Audi with a DSG gearbox....but the noise was classic DMF...it didn't make sense. Hence all those 'knowledgable' comments about DSG's don't have DMF's etc...Thanks for sharing..BTW my LT35 SDI...built in the last millennium requires a DMF....If your ever on holiday in Scotland........
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 3 года назад
Cheers Malcolm, I make sure to bring my tool kit if I am swinging past :)
@q8kingo358
@q8kingo358 Год назад
Thanks for these explanation, may i ask you i just bought passat R36 2008 when the car shift for the 6 gear it have like that hard shift some times , what is the issue? I will be grateful 🌹
@daytonwintle6051
@daytonwintle6051 3 года назад
I have this exact type of noise in a 1999 jetta tdi ALH.... But those don't have a dual mass flywheel... What else could it be?
@JuhaEerikki
@JuhaEerikki 2 года назад
I was just quoted 1000 euros including parts and labor. 2008 Passat 2.0tdi DSG. Add another 500e if done at VW. If you want to DIY the parts can be found at around 400e (prob bit more) but its a big job as the gearbox must come off the car.
@goldinamik
@goldinamik 2 года назад
I have same noise but when its could, and when i put on P ore N. But when i change to D ore R so i dont here any noise. Can any one help me if is it same problem ore ?
@tyjohnson7428
@tyjohnson7428 2 года назад
I am experiencing a loud grinding noise in drive right until about 55 km/hr. I've also developed a water pump leak. Quick guess, would you think it's two separate issues or 1 solely related to failing water pump?
@aghakhan8372
@aghakhan8372 3 года назад
Hi live in Scotland and have vw passat 2016 DSG gear box 2 litter engine. Have a same problem. I have done 125000 miles. And had no idea what's wrong butt very good diagnose. Thankyou for your help.only 1 question that how long I have before changing the mass flywheel.?
@howtotradenifty
@howtotradenifty 11 месяцев назад
Same noise on fabia 1.2 i was very confused for some days. It disappeared while pressing the clutch padel
@jaydubbu581
@jaydubbu581 3 года назад
Got a friend here with a 2004 Golf manual drive with like a fence chain draging on the ground noise(intermittent 1-2 secs) coming from passenger side by front wheel when a accelerating slow. Nothing hanging nor dragging under car. Anything on these vehicles, im scathing my head. Will AllData have this symptom in a tsb? Any help will do.
@Defunkster
@Defunkster 2 года назад
I have a similar sound on a 2011 tiguan tdi, my mechanic has said its most likely the "torque converter" is this the same thing but they have used a different term for it? Im from Australia, if its not the same thing, would it also give similar symptons to a bad dmf?
@arthurp.6869
@arthurp.6869 5 месяцев назад
Spot on !! Skoda superb same issue and same solution 👍🙂
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 5 месяцев назад
👌
@Mikeltadze06
@Mikeltadze06 3 года назад
I have the same noise on passat b5.5 2001 1.8t tiptronic, is it the same problem or should i check anything else?
@nathanhodgkinson874
@nathanhodgkinson874 Год назад
Great video. Do you have a way I can send you the noise that my Volkswagen polo GTI 2006 is making on start up. It sounds very similar to what yours in the video is doing. Mechanic said it was a needing a whole new transmission n I don't believe it does. Just looking for a little help loo
@TheVedham
@TheVedham Год назад
Does fly wheel damage affects clutch system in dsg gearbox? Is it. Compulsive to change clutch system along with flywheel
@stupididiot2199
@stupididiot2199 2 года назад
How long can you drive with broken DSG DMF? Also, can a broken DMF induce a P0491 Secondary Air Injection system insufficient airflow error.
@JedLilley
@JedLilley 4 месяца назад
I have this exact symptom on my Volkswagen Passat B6 2009 DSG 2.0L TDI I have just had the clutch pack replaced, with a brand new genuine Volkswagen part as the clutch was previously making a horrible grinding noise and banging into gears. But this noise here is still happening, and it also when idling in traffic in D1 gear, will judder as you have shown, but it will also flick on the dashboard from D1 to D, randomly? Any ideas what that could be?
@Jonodrew1286
@Jonodrew1286 5 месяцев назад
Excellent explanation and presentation - do have a question - I have a car which when you turn it off sounds like a big rattle then clunk - and a worn Dual mass sounds does spring to mind but mine is about 6months old - however when you have to ride the clutch - hill start or engine control/ manoeuvre parking - It had a burnt egg smell? Any ideas would be appreciated - it clunks and rattles especially when turning of the engine🙏🙏👍👍
@Grahams-Grass
@Grahams-Grass Год назад
I've got a skoda octavia 1.6tdi mk3 just started to make this ticking noise at idle ... how long can it go for like this??????
@Mr-Keating
@Mr-Keating 3 года назад
Nice informative video. Gotta admit, I had no idea VW DSG's had a DMF
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 3 года назад
Thanks very much, no shame in not knowing, plenty to learn for us all, I was more than surprised when I first found out about them too :)
@SamSamuylik
@SamSamuylik 2 года назад
@@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage do the manual ones have it?
@MrRednhot
@MrRednhot 3 года назад
@Gerard Burke Hi I Have A 2007 Passat B6 2.0 TDI 6 Speed Manual Transmission. Whit the same noise. Soo Is This A Full Rebuild Transmission Or "only" The Flywheel ??
@amritsingh9216
@amritsingh9216 2 года назад
Hey bro i drive audi a5 with dsg transmission i am facing the problem whenever i put in reverse or first gear its shake or jugdering mechanic told me to replace clutch?
@eazcape3935
@eazcape3935 4 месяца назад
Top man
@malwandemtshakaza2504
@malwandemtshakaza2504 3 года назад
My Jetta 5 2.0 tdi locks the gear sometime what could be the problem?
@RohitPoddar409
@RohitPoddar409 11 месяцев назад
Hey brother I have a rattling sound only steering to left and the oil pressure engine off light comes up. Plus if i go for quick high rev speed up - i get a yellow notification of engine speed max 4000 rpm with a yellow epc light.
@Pushinpedal
@Pushinpedal 2 года назад
Does a 2001 Wolfsburg 1.8t 5speed have a dual mass fly wheel I’m having the same sounds
@jeffreykleeven
@jeffreykleeven 2 года назад
I got a vidoe uploaded on my channel. Is this the same issue? It's a 1.2 TSI manuel
@PLASTERKINGCOUK
@PLASTERKINGCOUK 2 года назад
Hi mate think I've found my problem 2.0tdi dsg 2010 got that noise and rough idle and stalls after few mins would the dmf cause it too stall also horrible smell
@StorableSnail
@StorableSnail 3 года назад
Exact same noise (can of marbles) on my '19 GTI with only 12,600 miles on it. Not too happy but hoping warranty will bail me out.
@Bo-tt8cy
@Bo-tt8cy 2 года назад
My passat 2.0 tdi from 2007 has this sound however extremely loud. it's a manual 6 gear transmission, got the car for free today so just wondering.
@ramanlovebabe
@ramanlovebabe 3 года назад
and if any other machine making some noise like heavy sugarcane crusher machine ??
@abdulbeany1894
@abdulbeany1894 11 месяцев назад
Hi my audi ar 2.0 tdi is making noise and vibrating at idle only when engine is hot when cold no noise or vibration is that dmf thanks and its 6 speed manual
@a.h7761
@a.h7761 Год назад
I have golf mk5 2.0 gt tdi 2006 manual. Even when i press clutch pedal it still shaking and noisy like dmf symptoms. Could it be DMF or fuel issue?
@keithhenderson5788
@keithhenderson5788 2 года назад
I have a 2014 Renault Grand Scenic 1.5dci with a similar noise. Engine vibration at idle can be felt right through the car and clutch judder when pulling away. You can also smell the clutch burning when starting off up a steep bank. The noise is present whether the clutch is pressed or not. Thank you for an informative video.
@azadmohamed9621
@azadmohamed9621 3 года назад
wow well explain,
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 3 года назад
Cheers Azad 👍
@notoriousq7722
@notoriousq7722 3 года назад
DMF is dead. I got this problem also not too long ago.. I had to replace the clutch as well!
@stevenblades1627
@stevenblades1627 Год назад
My seat leon fr 2011 reg just started doing it.Mechanic says need to take the gearbox out to access it is that that true does anyone know plz
@hispeed2k
@hispeed2k Год назад
Is it possible to get DMS failure on brand new car? I just bought a 1.5L TFSI AUDI A3 with 6 gears manual transmission and driving slow at low gears with windshields down I can clearly hear rattling sounds like you demonstration at 1:00. I’m also getting “kangaroo effect” … are these two symptoms (rattling sound and kangarooing) related? Should I ask for DMS replacement ?
@yhwhisoneandonly
@yhwhisoneandonly 3 года назад
Great info I have same nose and thought it may be the clutch or the flywheel Thanks for confirmation
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 3 года назад
👌👍
@lloydowen6900
@lloydowen6900 6 месяцев назад
I have a similar problem to my vw bora pd130, making a similar noise, would that affect mine on starting, spluttering and then stall? Within 2 seconds?
@shaftt4067
@shaftt4067 2 года назад
I have same noise only in the morning ..was the flywheel!replace it and noise gone
@banditoX
@banditoX 10 месяцев назад
Can this noise be present only when driving. Mine sounds similar but only when driving. Not at idle.
@andrewpaulhauswirth9697
@andrewpaulhauswirth9697 Год назад
Any help I live in New York I just purchased the 2012 Volkswagen Passat TDI and it's right around the 30-day lemon law and had to have the car go back to the dealer for a different issue and mentioned the noise to them and told them I thought it might have been a heat shield probably something common but can they look at it and never mentioned anything about it, I have this on text message should I seek legal action towards him
@yourchoise7186
@yourchoise7186 2 года назад
same problem with my vw jetta 1.9 tdi pd mk5 bxe. but i chng battery still noise is comming need to check flywheel
@patkelly7999
@patkelly7999 3 года назад
Good stuff Gerard, still a lot of debate on like for like or solid, I think on lower hp, solid is ok and higher hp with say a six speed box the dmf is the way to go, never replaced one on a dsg box, thanks again Gerard:):)
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage
@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage 3 года назад
On manual transmissions I have done many solid flywheel conversions, the DMF serves it's purpose well but in all those cases the cost was just too much for the customer in comparison to solid. These DSG's have to be DMF though with the design, solid options are not applicable in repair. Thanks for stopping in Pat, I hope you are keeping well over there 👍👍
@patkelly7999
@patkelly7999 3 года назад
@@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage We are all fine thanks Gerard, but numbers are rising each day, will just have to wait and see what happens, a weird year, mind yourselves a chara👍🙏😷
@game4alaughman
@game4alaughman 2 месяца назад
@@GerardBurkeBurkesGarage great video. Maybe silly question but need to ask, is it just normal DMF ie LUK suitable for Manual or auto ?
@waqarmuhammad6894
@waqarmuhammad6894 5 месяцев назад
Hi mate I'm getting a similar noise from around the gearbox area even after replacing the DMF. Any suggestions?
@jdickson242
@jdickson242 5 месяцев назад
If the engibe itself is okay, no oil etc and the noise is on the right as your are looking im thinking clutch/ flywheel separation
@Thunderbolt03
@Thunderbolt03 3 года назад
I have a mk4 golf pd130 6 speed manual and it does that particular rattling only when on cold start and idling, after engine warms up it doesnt do it anymore, PLEASE give me some advice Im not sure if its the same thing as the one shown on the video
@dopiaza2006
@dopiaza2006 2 года назад
Yes, it probably is.. Do you get a rattle when shutting down the engine too? Sounds like yours is at an early stage - sell it now!
@Naeromusic
@Naeromusic 2 года назад
One major symptom my DMF has is excessive vibration when driving at low RPM which disappears at higher vehicle speed
@yakekaelvis48
@yakekaelvis48 2 года назад
So what could be the problem if it's a manual transmission?
@Naeromusic
@Naeromusic 2 года назад
@@yakekaelvis48 engine mounts maybe, how's the clutch?
@lah1218
@lah1218 2 года назад
My scirocco sounds like this and it’s bad, buts it’s manual not DSG so what’s this?
@andymccargow1351
@andymccargow1351 Год назад
I've got an Audi A4 B7 2.0tdi 170 making a noise like this. On occasions when starting it, the noise doesn't appear but most times it does. Recently the oil pressure light has came on. Hex for oil drive gear has been fixed already. Sound like someone has dropped a spanner in the engine😬 any help is welcome!
@brendanmoore6869
@brendanmoore6869 3 года назад
My Audi A4 b6 1.9 tdi sounds like a machine gun when driving and same sound like a ball bearing in a tin on idle click clack guessing my flywheel is gone?
@lilmudd99
@lilmudd99 2 года назад
What about when you put it in park and it pops a few times like it struggles to go in park Plzz help?!?
@erikasxx1
@erikasxx1 Год назад
Similar noise while in park or neutral as soon as you put it in d or r it goes away but only rattles when cold
@MarioHernandez-bn6pm
@MarioHernandez-bn6pm 2 года назад
I have a manual 2016 gti that makes that same rattling noise but only when cold starting.
@linwizz2126
@linwizz2126 3 года назад
Sounds like the dual mass flywheel falling apart. They are also on mk4's with dsg or manual transmissions. On the manual mk4's you can replace it with a solid flywheel.
@dopiaza2006
@dopiaza2006 2 года назад
Pretty sure Mk4 never had DSG transmission, just conventional automatic with torque converter and no DMF
@linwizz2126
@linwizz2126 2 года назад
@@dopiaza2006 New beetles with the BEW TDI had the DSG(or 5spd manual) I also think some audi tt's had the dsg.
@pabloporcelana
@pabloporcelana Год назад
Hi Gerard. Do you have an email to send you a video of this failure? Thanks. Pablo.
@basilrabie8067
@basilrabie8067 Месяц назад
100% it was my dual mass flywheel on jetta 5 1.9 tdi bxe manual engine.
@wilhelmneufeld2410
@wilhelmneufeld2410 3 года назад
How long can I drive with the car with that noise?
@Clayton-RFC1980
@Clayton-RFC1980 8 месяцев назад
I have an Audi A4 b7 TDI automatic and am getting the same exact noise should I tell my garage that's the part I need and that I know about this problem now ?
@FabianRadu
@FabianRadu 3 года назад
Hey brother! Just changed the flywheel Cous it was starting hard and the engine was shaking. Now after change the metal sound started to come Up :( crazy :(
@candiscoffman610
@candiscoffman610 Год назад
What would be the replacement part number for Volkswagen routan
@erikkaso5654
@erikkaso5654 3 года назад
I have same noise but it’s not effect a drive.car its driving bang on how it’s that posible
@peteduszak1447
@peteduszak1447 3 года назад
I have the same noise but my GTI is manual.
@alf3071
@alf3071 2 года назад
I have this noise for two seconds just when starting the car and then it completely goes away, is it fixable?
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