What’s the matter with those words? I‘m new to the channel from Germany but don’t get it. He doesn’t seem german, EVs are no German thing at all and I don’t know if there are too many German words in Norway.
@@50cts Norwegian is basicly based on germanic language group, so it’s many similar words. Otherwise it’s just for fun. We just like to put in german words here and there. Many learn german in school.
I'm in Victoria BC, and we rarely even get much snow here, and it's relatively rare that we even get sub-zero temperatures, so this is totally out of my frame of reference!
You can see the speed of the wind by looking at the wind sock. Each color part means 5kt. So if one orange and one white are up that means you have 10knots of wind in that direction. Hope this helps.
I had a dirty minded flight instructor. She said if the sock was sad, the speed was under 5kt. An "okay" sock was 10, and if the sock was "happy to see you" it was 15kts or higher.
Volkswagen developers must've been excited to see Bjorn be happy with the trip meter reset feature, then he goes "why is there 7kWh/h? That makes no sense. That's basic math, right?". VW devs: 😢 why must you hurt me
My power company uses the same in their graphs. The use case there is that you have used x kWh in one hour. In other words, an average for that one hour.
kWh/h are used for average consumption for any given period it’s useful for displaying the average consumption for something whose consumption is intermittent, the thing is that VW is using in order to display instant consumption and that should be displayed as kW and never as kWh/h. Now, if instead of instant consumption they are using a rolling average of several seconds then using kWh/h may make some sense, but still it would be more appropriate to use kW even if using kWh/h would be valid.
@@Gresteh I think they are trying to get the average fossil driver accustomed to the EV world and all the new figures, so they try to make it as friendly and as obvious as possible. Technically, it's not wrong, so I believe most people don't care about the units notation
The only way it make sense, is because they think their users would be confused by those units (which might be, sadly, true). Their tank is in kWh, so, if they want to know how much they consume, they show kWh/h (like l/km on ICE car). Better solution would be to explain once and fo all, what are Wh and W....
VW workers also suposedly watched some german RU-vid Videos about bugs of ID3. I think its valuable Input for them and in my opinion its great that they(suposedly) do it.
It is very interesting to see the things that you find as a "user" on all the cars that you test. One always assumes that car manufacturers have done their job in testing, and here you show us all the glitches, all the nuisances etc. Great work. For any person that works designing these cars, if any one of them do not see you as their best QA resource, they are basically blind. You are not only helping them design better cars, but also helping the future car owners of the world. Also interesting that on some "little piece" like the navigation screen on this car, you see the different people that touched code and each one put in their "personal" way of doing/showing things, like km/h -> km/min, kWh/h, reset confirmations, etc... I expected more consistency, but I also know it is difficult.
I like the way how you react on all those negative or "clever" comments. People ussually not realize how much work is behind your tests. You are doing fantastic job and your tests are very usefull. I laughed so much about extra bacon :-))
Can't wait for these to be available in the states! I'm so close to going full electric, just a few months away. Finally landed a dealership that's letting me test and review EVs. You're my motivation to bring these to my home state where everyone just shrugs these off.
Distance for travel assist in any VW is calculated by time, so it takes your speed and than calculate time between you and the car in front, it was 0.8 , 1.2, 1.6 , 2.0 seconds or something like that in Golf
That "long" following distance was around 3 seconds... quite reasonable and safe for the snow-covered road conditions at that speed. You might generally "follow too close" :). - Canadian winter driver
Hi Bjorn, please can you test the ID.4 Max sometime with the Folldal Trip? And even with sleeping in the car? I would be really interested in buying one of these cars. :) I think you are doing a fantastic job! Tusen takk!! :)))
Your videos, comments and humor are great! Test drove Tesla M3 LR one year ago and loved it but as I am not an early adopter I just ordered an ICE car. I will definitely switch to an EV in 7-8 years: car offers will be great, prices will go down, amount of chargers will increase, range will be better, design will improve, weight will go down....
Björn: Kwh/h is most likely referring to "energy used while stationary", i.e. 7.2kw being consumed every hour by heater, lights etc. ICE-cars do the same when engine is idling, but ofc measured in l/h. Switches over to l/100km once you go :)
Yeah Joel but the correct way to say "7.2 kWh being consumed every hour" is simply that it's consuming 7.2 kW. Same thing. The added h/h means one hour passes every hour, which we should already know without VW having to tell us.
@@bjornnyland I disagree. If you don't display the usage while stopped, some might think there isn't any, or isn't much. 7 KW is significantly more than the range loss from idling a 'fossil' car. I was absolutely shocked at how much range our new Model 3 was losing just to run the heater, didn't notice right away while showing off the new car and barely made it home. If Tesla would show details of the energy use, the owners could plan a bit more easily in winter.
Bjorn The conversations between yourself are the best ever. You ask yourself the question and answer the question as if we are sitting in the passenger seat and can't speak LOL Super good content
Lol, Bjorn, you are killing me with comments, the one about the cheese and bacon I was dying!!! I also was thinking the same thing about Ionity and Tesla, I wonder if they have some software in them that when it detects a Tesla it causes to slow down the charging.
I have been working from home for months now so sometimes I go driving at night or in the weekends. Maybe for an hour or two to supercharger and grab some coffee then drive home.
The kwh/h thing is an average energy consumption. kw is a unit of power. kwh is a unit of energy. kwh/h is a unit of avg power during a certain period, so it is used to show energy consumption.
My 2016 e-golf took an hour in one of those Grønn Kontakt 150kW chargers to get 40-50% juice. It was -20 C that day, but I had been driving so I think the battery was warm enough. Gone through this twice when I was desperate. Expensive!
We just had a new 34" Dell display at work which has an energy efficiency label stating that the display consumes 36kWh/1000h. Maybe they have consulted VW or this is some EU standard way of telling average energy consumption 😁
@@magnusdagbro8226 And so we are back at the beginning. That's why it's adequate and comfortable for most people to display kWh/h - less need for further thoughts about it. Everyone wants comfy solutions - this is one.
Think you have the 0783 software version on that model. Mine came with the same. I can tell you, they haven't fixed the model colour matching your car. I think they've just set them all to white. My car is the turquoise green, but the car on the infotainment is white still. And I've found that this car doesn't like the cold that much either. Still love the car though.
@@shikkonin the screen is fiddly for sure. I've had my model Y since Christmas and I still have to search for things. It gets better as u become accustomed to it. The good news is I'm not swerving all over the road while I look for things because the autopilot is amazing
Please try to document everything about the problems with a cold-battery and charging speeds. We need more pressure on WV, I think you have more leverage than us average buyers.
That's inherent to li-ion batteries, if they are cold the charging speed is reduced. Tesla mitigates that by preheating the battery if you have a supercharger stop planned into the nav.
Dear Bjoern. According physics, electrical energy is reported in Kilowatthours. Whereas kilowatt is meaning power. Wehen VW claims 7,2 kWh / h they mean the car consumes 7,2 kwh per hour. VW uses the same type of indication for fuel cars, where they typically show liter per hour als long as the car doesn’t run. This makes sense, as you don’t have a distance you can calculate with.
There was another test in Germany... they compared an ID3 with heat pump, and one without... The car with heat pump had a higher consumption while heating the whole night.... 😱🤔🤷🏻♂️ They suspected it is a software issue and will be fixed in the feature...
You'll appreciate the long distance in the winter when someone does an emergency braking. On icy roads, you can have up to 180m braking distance. Thankfully haven't had to test that myself.
The power that you consume right now comes from the ice time if you need need very little power it gives out the fuel consumption per hour. Like here with the power.
ID.3 fanboy here.. 0:00 Model 3 test started at battery grilled to 50C but ID.3 started at home battery not heated? Fair? 4:20 Preheating does not heat battery thus consumption is high on start. Only when you drive the battery is heated. Battery preheating is coming on 2.1 SW, you are running 2.0 6:16 You are comparing charge % on ID.3 with mid size battery and Model 3 on biggest battery? Fair? 9:50 Yep, bad side of Id.3 charging there. No preheating of battery yet before charging. It is supposed to come on 2.1 SW. Also ID.3 seems to charge slow when you start high high SOC & cold battery. What is the charging power you would expect on Model 3 with similar SOC and battery temp? Model 3 preheats only when going to SC, correct? 11:14 Incorrect, heating battery only during driving to 13C. Not during preheating while stationary. Coming on 2.1 SW. 13:00 Incorrect. Did you try it? The navigation tells you if you can make it or not. Also if you cannot make it then navigation plans charging stops. You may need to enable this from settings... (Facepalm VW...) 14:30 You cannot make fair comparison when you grill Model 3 battery to 50C and keep ID.3 battery cold 20:50 Lol VW, buggy a bit :)
0:00 ID3 was preheated to at least 13°C. And as shown in this video, ID3 doesn't scavenge heat in the battery is it's irrelevant. Further out the trip you see that even if the ID3 battery would have been heated to 40-50°C, it would have made no difference. 6:16 Nope. And it was never meant to be either. Just a reference for people considering these two cars. 9:50 Tesla preheats when going to other non-Tesla charging stations as well. It was implemented in 2019 or 2020. I don't remember. 11:14 It does keep the battery warm even when stationary. Watch my upcoming videos. 14:30 It's totally irrelevant becuase ID3 doesn't scavenge the heat.
@@bjornnyland Thanks for the response! 0:00 I think you missed the point. If you had DC charged the ID.3 before trip like you did for Model 3 then the energy consumption would have been lower. In that case car would have not needed to heat the battery on it's own power only, counting it in consumption. Battery heating would have come from charger, not from car HV battery. Anyway I bet ID.3 would still have higher consumption regardless, it is higher & bigger car. 9:50 Oh, I have heard mixed comments on that. I need to check my sources. I was under heavy impression that it preheats only to SC. 11:14 Yes, kinda... If the car is "running" = inginition on then battery is heated. No heating while stationary cabin preheating. I will see your videos, obvisously. Still if I am bit complaining here your videos are the best content available 14:30 It is not irrelevant. Heating the HV battery from car's own energy vs from DC charger. Heat scavenging I do not know. I would not be too surprised if it was not implemented yet. I will try to figure scavenging myself, I am getting suitable OBD dongle soon...
@@Jani75K seems like we need 2.1 so we can get all the proper features. Not fair to give Bjorn a hard time about being apples to apples if the car is waiting for updates to bring it up to snuff. The good news is he will certainly do these tests again once the new version is released. I think it was relatively clear what THIS version of the car is capable of. Looking forward to 2.1 version. All the makers are still improving things in leaps and bounds very quickly
@@Jani75K 0:00 I checked the video again and your claimed 50°C battery in Model 3 is incorrect. It was only 40°C. And even if Model 3 battery was at 13°C like ID3 should have been at, the consumption on Model 3 would still be way lower. And Model 3 drove all the way to Alvdal without charging stop. ID3 had a charging stop at Koppang which gave it lots of time to re-heat up the battery. That was actually an advantage for ID3.
10:00 the argument about shared charger and two sides are mute. Both the double sided and single sided Delta Ultra Fast Charger support splitting the power between two DC ports. But you are able to disable power sharing in software. Grønn Kontakt had power sharing disable in the beginning at the train station in Kristiansand. And BTW, the Delta chargers have multiple power packs, so you may find some chargers that is not 150kW. An by the way, Delta DC city charger also support power splitting.
25:35 Have you tried the Lofoten fish burger at Circle K? I prefer that as a slightly lighter option on roadtrips, and you can of course also get it with bacon :)
Why does the navigation seem so laggy and slow on the ID.3 - its like the interface on televisions, always inherently slow to show but the simplest of things... I would get annoyed every time.
@@boostav It was never going to happen but I would have loved it if they went down the same route as the PoleStar and just used stock android, it works so well.
At 15:25, when you’re setting the following distance, you’re saying that you have excessive distance between you and the car ahead. But in fact, you are two seconds behind the car in front, which is a generally regarded minimum distance. Given the road conditions, you might want to increase that distance, not decrease it.
Bjørn we would like to know what you think, which is the best car to buy at this point in time according to different criterias like price, comfort, range, and design?
Ya they say there is no such thing as a dumb question. in every video he puts every single measurement on a graphic at the bottom of the screen compared to model 3 and every time whatever car he is comparing is not as good. Hands down Tesla is overall the best when taking all metrics into consideration. I've been particularly disappointed in the charging speeds of these other cars. Hanging out at chargers for an hour is not for me. If you have a specific usage case then lots of these other cars may work well for you but if you are just wanting the best ev car it's not even a question at the moment
@@Psi-Storm Not every trim level will have navigation, and you might change your mind while on the road. For that a manual button would help, but if they could just tell you the temperature, you might know that above a certain point you don't even need to bother.
@@Deuxiit I know that here in Norway this type of B-type SUV is a very popular kind of car, and I also know that many manufacturers make some cars work better in cold weather since Norway has such a huge market for EVs. This might be why there is a difference in the cars that come from the same manufacturer.
@@Deuxiit In 2020 EVs accounted for 54,3% of the norwegian market so Norway is in the attention of EV manufacturers. Even Elon Musk visit her on a regular basis to get insight in the market. Hence the heatpump in Teslas.
I like the design of the car and some of the features, but the infotainment seems so frustrating once you're used to a Tesla M3. And having to deal with random chargers can be a stressful experience.
Bjorn, regarding your lightyears per year argument... if we talk about speed it makes little sense, but if we talk about expansion it will make more sense. Let's say, due to the expansion of the univers the distance between some galaxies is growing faster than the speed of light, so if we were to talk about how much the distance between two galaxies is increasing every year it would make a lot of sense to use lightyears per year as long as we are talking about the growth of the space between those two galaxies and not the relative speed between each other.
Probaly someone already said it before: lightyears is a measure of distance (the distance light travels in a year) not time, so "lightyears per yer" makes big sense! Anyways, KWh/h makes sense also since it's a measure that describes produced electrical energy per hour (for Bjørn in norwegian: no.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWh/h) Nice video tho!
Thanks for the cool Test! What are your explanations for the higher consumption compared to the model 3? Worse drag coefficient? Worse BMS? Worse heatpump? Less efficient electric motor? 🤔
Tesla tech and efficiency with Audi fit and finish would be a dream come true. Let's not kid ourselves though Tesla is is just way ahead in terms of technology, efficiency and most importantly vast seamless supercharger Network.
In ICE cars VWs "current consumption" is usually in l/100km and as you come to a stop it switches to litre/hour. They did the same here I guess. They just switched the 100km to kwh to show current consumption 🤔
I have a turquoise ID.3, but the color of the car in the displays are still white, so they have not fixed that. I have the latest software version called Me 2.0 (0873) I think. The big software update that will come in the 1st quarter 2021 is Me 2.1.
Charging at Fortum and Gronn Kontact are really bad. They charge per minute while the ones at Cirkle K are chanrging on KWH so it doesnt matter what the rate is.
VW software developers obviously work on a different planet to rest of the designers and engineers. This type of German engineering also shows in other things designed or made in Germany. I work in electronics and the new Weller soldering stations are also not made for humans. Bosh battery tools are also full of gimmicks.
