W. Kamau Bell - Having Nuanced Conversations About Cosby’s Complicated Legacy | The Daily Show 

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Thoughtful and intelligent 👏🏻

you would be welcome at my crib because of your walkgoodvibe

How is his actions a "Horror". He's no criminal! Just Another Black Man that the establishment is trying to crush.

@@j.j.taylor3668 🤦🏾‍♀️

I have strong suspension that is not what the docuseries is about.

That’s a pointless conversation

I only came here to express my disdain of Kamau Bell.

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Highly recommend watching Hannah Gadsby: Nanette

Don't watch it. It's garbage.

I'm about a year older than you. The Cosby Show was huge. He was everywhere. Commercials, shows, cartoons. I listened to many of his records. "Dad is great, gives us chocolate cake!"

@@lynnhettrick7588 I still hear that song in my head when I’m baking! Ty for understanding…..

Same. I STILL have all the LPs. Haven't trashed them, but also haven't quoted them in many years. And it used to be part of how I talked to people - quote something from one of the albums.

@@BensBrickDesigns "snakes! Are you out there? Now, I'm gonna put my toe out there. Now, don't you bite! Snakes!?"

And to listen.

The conversation had already happened. It's no challenge when the mainstream media already had the conversation over a number of years.

the world needs more of it

@nicholas Why is it when anyone says that people need challenge themselvers it only goes one way? Usual it's everyone else that needs to be challenged but never you.

Amen!!! Thank you!

Because its starts at the top and works it way down. Just like racism

And makes me sick..how women globally are treated..it’s endless!

Nailed it.

Great point, talk about Hollywood predators, not just the black one. Hes been tried, convicted and released. Iscthisvyetvanother attempt to cancel him in particular, meanwhile acwhole ex president is still free to wreak whatever havoc?

Well said

Bill liked to drug the women.

Same here. I can only console myself by realizing that it was Cosby who created his own Mr Hyde and pretend that his Mr Hyde doesn't exist. He can only blame himself for his own downfall.

I did this with Michael Jackson. I worked very closely for years with someone he molested, but his music does something to me. I’ve decided to love his music and hate him as a man.

Who's Dr. Cosby?

I bet you are. You like listening and believing the lies you are told.

I'm also glad he made this, now I know that he is a waste of black skin

Isn't Trevor Noah a South African, but I guest he figure we all black so he can speak on the issues that directly effect black Americans 🤔

@@buckisz Truth hurts doesn't it?

@@jb2736 What makes you think he can't speak about blk American issues? He IS blk after all and it's his job to interview and ask questions about what ever the subject may be! 🙄🤦🏽‍♀️

It has nothing to do with justification. There is none. This has nothing to do with penalties or sentencing. This has to do with whether we are still interested in watching his work. He is a very nasty man who did great, socially useful work. What should our relationship to his work be?

@@koshersalaami It has everything to do with justification. It has everything to do with double standards. I've stated my opinion on the person who is the main topic of this video. Your comment has nothing to do with my comment, other than the attempt to control the narrative, which you've failed to do.

Wrong----people would say that person was crazy, and no one would believe them---especially if the person was a woman---unless they had proof that such a thing happened.

Naw. We do the same for friends and family.

Because this was just another attempt to smear a man thats been Exonerated!! I said the same thing... why dont ppl want to be associated with this? Then I did some research on it and its just another slanderous hit piece. I refuse to watch it. And it puts into light why bell didnt want cosby to speak in the film.

@@nitroluskincaidHe was exonerated & isn’t innocent. He was released on a technicality that shouldn’t have been an issue since it was debated in court in front of a judge before trial started. AND in same deposition HE ADMITTED TO DOING IT!

@@KBWeeds being unjustly convicted is not a technicality. If he was so guilty, they would not have had to break the law to gain a conviction. If kills me that when black people use the law and win, it's a technicality but when "others" do it, "the law works as it was designed to do".🙄🙄🙄

They didn't participate for the same reason Bell is saying it was hard to do. If you voice an opinion on Cosby you will get heat for it. Both sides are passionately sure they are right.....and they will be sure to let you know how wrong you are.

@Chris Chris what he did has been appalling since the dawn of time. Yes, we absolutely should judge him for it.

@Chris Chris who knew the Cos would have his own troll bot?

So rare….

... it's Bill FRIGGING Cosby NOT String theory🙄

If only this had been one! These two extremely intelligent people talking about talking about Cosby, with little substance, was disappointing. I'll see the film, because I'll see anything, Kamau does, but I still don't have a sense of how it will actually grapple with the issues.

I don't! Especially when the conversation continues to make a Man guilty when he's been exonerated. It's shameful and disgusting how Mr. Cosby is being thrown under the bus. They did the same thing with Michael Jackson.

Ah nuance….the anti-internet

He's been vindicated and exonerated. Many feel the legal system betrayed them.

His "presentation" bit in the Cosby show about the garbage can lid was something I molded my entire being around. He spoke directly to me through a television, and I'm a white man. Gutted is the perfect word.

yep

I lost respect for Bill Cosby many years ago when it was revealed that Autumn Jackson tried to extort money from him because she thought he was her father due to the affair he had with her mother.

@@gloriaf6971 Here's your chance to gain respect for Cosby again now that he's been vindicated and exonerated.

@Chris Chris your replies might get more respect if they weren't copy pasted spam.

Will Bell do a documentary on the CBS executive level men ? Any other Hollywood based men?

What qualifies him? Oh I forgot look who he's married too. He's not a successful comedian he's just a sell-out opportunist.

Yeah he’s the perfect person all right. The perfect one to be beat a dead horse. Let me explain something to you haters. Mr. Cosby was, is a phenomenal human being. He actually cared about so called black folks and wanted to see them do better, be better. He gave millions away to HBCU’s and offered his take on what said group should focus on. For that he was vilified by some haters in said community because they didn’t want to or weren’t ready to make that change. I have nothing but respect for Mr. Cosby. He stayed true to himself and was actively pursuing a means to which his views could be of benefit to all.

@@zatosan729 Exactly. ..I have a whole long list of them, too many to list. But you can start with.. Les Mooves, Woody Allen, Kevin Spacy, Harvey Weinstein, Prince Andrew, etc.

@@zatosan729 many other filmmakers are out there. Let them do it. FOH

I guest he thinks he's qualified, look who he's married too🤔

you know that even the hollywood reporter says that if you want "proof" this documentary is not for you.. amerikkka is supposed to ONLY prosecute with proof .. but not when its black..

Don't waste your time. This documentary is AGENDA 101 and they are simply using Kamau Bell as a puppet. Don't support this trash Sista.

I loved the show and had DVDs…but threw them away once I accepted what he done.

I actually saw Bill Cosby live concert years ago..Bell has an agenda and he avoids speaking on Harvey Weinstein and the others.🤮🤮

@@lastpme What did he do?

@@lastpme Wish I knew you threw them away. I would have happily taken them.

@@raczgreen6053 the doc is about Cosby. If someone makes a Jack the Ripper doc it doesn’t mean there aren’t other serial killers. I’m sure someone will make one about Harvey.

But a bunch of us saw him as a role model. He had kid shows before I was born that were still airing when I was a toddler to middle school. Kids idolize. No one has a perfect family, but the Cosby family was full of love and calm and warm. He taught me to brush my tongue in one of those commercial interstitial or whatever they are called. Picture Pages. Fat Albert. Pudding Pops. Then, in college, someone loaned me recordings from his records. It was a whole new side of him. But it was a ruse. He got everyone to trust him, but used that to lure victims. IDK what is real or fake.

Also, people know and keep quiet out of fear. They're also accused of things and have their sanity and credibility challenged. Watch the Dark History on Hollywood. It's full of this stuff. Blackmail, threats, media in bed with Hollywood executives. People should talk, but few do.

the most telling quote i had heard from this early on was from Jimmy Walker... "I thought everyone knew"

@@maureenlaneski2802 the same with Charlie sheen and high Hefner

@@antoniohoward981 that list is long my brother

I love his approach to discussions and am always humbled by how nuanced his conversations are on a wide variety of topics. The man has a the ability to get people to open up about things they’d really rather not discuss or hadn’t spent much time thinking about because he’s always respectful.

What else is he going to do? Dumb-Bell is a lousy so call comedian 🙄

@@jb2736 That didn’t really add anything to the conversation...

@@maryrosekent8223 He's misrepresenting himself, he nothing but a tool.

He’s a coward

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It is hard to separate artists from their art. I understand what you're saying, though, and largely agree with you.

""'Who is this really?" LOL!

@@conniesedona116 Does it matter?! Stop deflecting! It’s either you agree or disagree with the content. Offer a thoughtful and an intelligent rebuttal. It’s not about your triggered emotions. It’s about critical thinking and intellectual integrity. Mr Bell did not create this mess...Bill Cosby did, by his reckless conduct. Own your behavior. White people are Not responsible for black people’s personal conduct.

@@johnstarr2326 "Who is this really" is part of the NOAH joke that Cosby tells. You wrote a 3 paragraph screed and had no idea what you were talking about.

@@crosstudio I disagree. I have been around a while. I understand how life works. How about you?

Why is this conversation IMPORTANT? All lies and perpetrators will be exposed one day.

oh it's his birthday? I didn't know that well happy birthday W kamau Bell

@@mlggamer5296 where did "Kamau" come from? He's born and raised stateside .

@@pietrojenkins6901 I don't even know the origin of his name so don't even ask me

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United Shades is a great show and enlightening to many people.

Uh huh

@@gkvogt agreed! i was hooked after the first episode. he is incredibly brave and is respectful to everyone.

I love that show!

White privilege supremacists empire rules

Sadly, I think the statute of limitations was up for any of his victims to bring charges against him, which often happens when it's children. The guy packed up and left Hollywood and is living a self-imposed sentence of sorts and I doubt he'll ever return to acting, which is probably the most that will ever happen as far as punishments go in his case.

Yeah, like Dennis Rader . . .

This is not brave, there are other powerful people to go after. There are already docs on this. So it makes one question the producer’s motivation.

@@camerons.8499 What other Cosby documentaries are there??

@@WaitingtoHit Dennis Rader? The serial killer? Was he one of America's dads?

@@sosa9754 He was. He was a great dad to his son and daughter and a community leader.

Then, I hope you've checked his "receipts".

Same here😁

Check his "receipts" before you throw your support.

Until Allred gets to him...

He was, last time I checked he pleaded innocent, pretending nothing happened and everyone made it all up. Then he's on twitter pretending he wasn't let out on a technicality.

@@biancacaputo7174 he dudnt rebut in the documentary and they didnt allow his lawyers. They must wanted their same ikd spin on it

That's exactly wat it was...dnt let these clowns fool you.

Are you actually interested in this conversation or are you asking a rhetorical question?

@@Karen-pk3uv This is an actual question. I have my own answer but I’m not completely comfortable with it, it’s not a complete answer, and I’m not sure I’d be comfortable with any answer because every solution leaves major problems. We get stuck with this question a lot: What do we do about people who did great things and also did terrible things, particularly when we still benefit from the great things they did? Washington and Madison were slaveowners but basically gave us the United States as we know it. Throwing them out completely throws out too much else. Cosby’s case is complicated by the fact that so many of his victims are living. For Confederate generals it’s easy: Everything they accomplished was in support of two fundamentally bad things: slavery and treason. My answer is to teach it all. If you teach about Washington you teach about both aspects of Washington in all its detail. You teach about the fact that Jefferson spoke out against slavery but didn’t take his objection seriously enough to free his own slaves, so let’s not give credit for lip service. The problem we’re running into at the moment is interference around the country with actual historical teaching. This is showing up big time with Critical Race Theory which absolutely is NOT about Whites Are Evil but is being treated as though it were. It’s difficult but necessary to insure to the extent that we can that our education falls on neither facile whitewashing nor facile PC. Reality is complex. Teach it.

Little Bill was a sweet cartoon. A few of my nephews got to see, enjoy it.

Exactly my point that's why I can't look at him any different ...it was a different time but the issue is the me too movement as I have observed are mainly targeting black successful men and that's why this guy is under fire now .But I don't blame anybody but black men they go after other races of women like their lives depends on it so ...

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We will be eternally holding our breath, "Kamau, I'm waiting 🤔🤔🤔🤫🤐 crickets 🦗🦗🦗

@@warriorprincess991 Why? There was a documentary out on Harvey Weinstein three years ago. There was one on Woody Allen. There was already one on lots of people. So what? People, you can;t just shout "But but but what about.... ?" and have it magically erase the misdeeds of the person you identify with more.

@@mokumboi19 because you whites dont have the same energy

I remember those albums. Listened over and over. They were funny even to kids.

Uptown Saturday Night was classic.

Me too. I’m still sad.

Yes......the corporate Hollywierd tools🙄

This should technically apply to everything because normally the mentality is if they did something wrong I'm not supporting them but the music you can relate to or you like their Beats or even you see where they're coming from from the perspective of their music

Yes. I feel awful now loving Woody Allen’s films.

I remember Bill Cosby molded my childhood- picture pages, Jell-O pudding and The Cosby Show. He was a huge influence. I was devastated to hear of his actions, but somehow not surprised in this world.

How about Christ Benoit, who was an amazing wrestler and suddenly, killed his own family?

Donald Trump was and still is like that too and 70m people find it fit to sanitize him for public office.

nope and nope

No, he wouldn't dare document Weinstein, Prince Charles or Epstein

The same should be about Charlie sheen and Hugh Hefner

@@antoniohoward981 No its more nuanced than that. They were not playing " Everyone's Dad / Perfect family man " . Hugh Hefner was the opposite of that . He was very comfortable being all about receiving as much pleasure as he could literally grab. Charlie Sheen same ....

Especially women they got some big nostrils

@Chris Chris you want to go back >30k years to justify his behaviour. That's crazy. He drugged women, could've killed them but it's a different era??? Those women are still alive today. Just say you hate women instead of all this caveman nonsense

The real Bill? Really? And what did you learn that made you sick? Because it wasn’t anything he did. All accusations were lies.

He’s not a predator to begin with!

Its sad.

​ @Erik R. ...understood but disagree. These men are just as influential to American culture, if not more than Cosby. These men influence watch we watch and consider as newsworthy without us evening knowing it. Because there are not too many blacks at Cosby's level of fame, he stands out but there are more of "them" who [are guilty of similar crimes]. Their names fade simply because there are more of them but Cosby's lingers; consider Oprah's response to Cosby vs her (non) response to Weinstein's accusations. The conversations should be inclusive, all inclusive

@@Spearca thats bs

what an absurd comment all those white miscreants have been talked about and talked about ...

You are 100% Right! He is afraid of doing docs about white men because he's afraid of not getting any comedy shows or getting press for his shows. But his time coming.

@@lindag4544 Shut up Linda, they were talked about for a few seconds. Cosby and O.J Simpson are white ppl favorite topics... Y'all have a sick fascination with black ppl.

And Richard Wagner, the classical composer & anti-Semite. And Picasso the misogynist abuser of women, not to mention Alfred Hitchcock. But I think that, when something is in the distant past, it is easier to separate than when it was someone who was formative in our lifetime.

I don't.

@Emily Scribbles Where in the clip did either of them protect and lionize abusers?

@Emily Scribbles That's reductive. So any article or discussion of Cosby is lionizing and protecting him? By that logic, just bringing light to his crimes would lionize and protect him, so how would he be held accountable if nobody talks about his crimes?

@Emily Scribbles Did you even watch it?

He's been vindicated and exonerated. Hopefully that helps you unbreak your heart.

Same

@@rainbowofsoups8570 He has not been exonerated. His conviction was vacated. That isn't the same thing.

@@helenryan5217 It is.... only Allred (and team) is trying so hard to convince the world it isn't. No convictions, no proven allegations...

I would watch that.

Bless you Cosby was a low hanging fruit for him and he knew exactly what he is doing .

Let some other filmmakers step forward. There are many who can do it!

Cosby??? Or?

@@lcwinablackdress Yes, Cosby.

@@rainbowofsoups8570 No, Kamau . I see him around the East Bay also , Nice guy

Don’t share Charlie sheen Hugh Hefner bill orelly Marilyn Manson neither