Wack Fighting Game Monetization Strikes Again 

Understandable lol Harada was just saying some nonsense. Talking like we should be on our knees thanking him for providing story mode for free.

Serious question because Harada actually made a great point; would you rather the stage be free and the story cost money? Because Harada is 100% right that they gave us the larger and more expensive project for free. The stage not being in the season pass is still scummy bullshit, but if they were gonna sell one, the stage matters way less.

​@@WeMissDimebag The stage affects everyone playing the actual game at all times, it affects the rng stage pick pool The story mode makes no competitive difference, it's just a separate experience entirely, I don't know how this would be hard to understand

@@WeMissDimebag This question feels like gaslighting. There is no reason why both *shouldn't* be availlable. No compromises, the publisher's intentions be damned.

@@WeMissDimebag Include the stage in the DLC pass with the characters, keep the story free. Based name by the way.

That's why i'll never buy this game

@@esquillo3708You weren't going to buy it in the first place. The game does go on sale eventually. Does the other game you play not do this?

@@TehStylishone here is the first guy that justified buying frame data

@@esquillo3708 no buying frame data is dumb. It's already in the game, they are just keeping the info to themselves. People used to guess it in games back and the day which was down to a test. If you're trying to tell me majority of casual players care about frame data, that would be surprising. Maybe that's why the upset people died down.

@@TehStylishone He could not want it on sale either. Its probably more so the principle than the price. I actually have the game day 1, but even I hate tekken DLC. I do like harada reply to all this though, its nothing he can do pretty much cause the higher ups are at fault.

Dont people pay 70 like every year though. Fighting games would kill to get those kinds of continuous revenue.

bro the map is free on fortnite

@@sauceinmyface9302 they do because Fortnite creates content worth buying while also not forcing the player to spend any money. Having to pay 70$ entry is a massive difference

That is deceptive marketing.

It’s called reading.

​@@balther10can't understand people who try to defend stupid shit like this, especially considering they already gave you a stage with the pass. so how is it a character pass if they gave you the stage with the character that released in it before?

@@Kaebren cause they said specifically said that the free stage would free. They never mentioned any other stage being free. I’m not defending it either. I’m unbothered cause I can read and my ears work properly. Enjoy the baby rage tho it’s what tekken players do best.

If you compared the overall price between in Tekken 7 and SFV with ALL the DLC the Tekken 7 frame data argument doesn’t hold water AT ALL

@@cougarcp What? So I've got to buy all the DLC for every game to have an issue with MTX in general? What kind of dumbass argument is this? Dumb people really do love to jump on the bandwagon to lick boots.

​@@cougarcp sf5 characters could be free bro and the frame data was also free lmao and some stages were also obtainable for free except cpt stages and some costumes were also obtainable for free with fight money they took that all away in sf6 ☠️

⁠​⁠@@cougarcpHow dare you slander SFV. Like I hate to shill but how dare you: Capcom broke their own in game currency in our favor and dlc chars became unlockable. Or if you were sleep you got them in their numerous, often discounted reissues. CFN and some of its patches set new standards. SFV was so good we can’t even conceptualize it yet just watch it’ll have a 3rd strike-like resurgence

@@jaybonny1954 we are talking about money bro, if you didn’t unlock all the characters and costumes via the game currency then you can’t say anything about it. We can always turn the argument on its head, Tekken7 had free customization while you guys still had to pay for skins made y’all wear ads suits so y’all can revenue fight money. Everyone keeps saying capcom changed the rate you got fm just a way for you succumb to purchasing it anyway

You can play the stage if other people have it just like in t7. We also have online practice mode.

​@@Kekkai_ that's a bandaid at best covering the festering wound that is this game's monetization practices

@@DaviddeBergerac it's a 5$ stage. Hopefully they just include stages in the next season pass. Not that deep.

Gluck gluck gluck ​@@Kekkai_

People making any kind of excuses to billionares while they are getting ripped off is just disgusting to me.

It sure isn't the worst mtx practices in recent history, you just don't look at other games

That's not mtx, it's still a really heinous case of paywalling tho

> this was the worst case of microtransaction practices in modern gaming history Holy shit. Not quite, dude. lmao Diablo Immortal? Most Korean MMO's? There are _way_ worse cases of terrible MTX out there.

I remember Bandai Namco being generous in the past Tekken games. Tag 2 had like 10 characters added in a free update. Tekken 7 made season 1 dlc free after some time. Seems strange that they would sully the reputation they've worked to build all for a quick buck. They must be making bank if they haven't cared to realize how pissed off the community is

I see people have already beaten me in saying this isn't even close to the worst it can get. This is BS monetization that's been present for years finally rearing it's ugly head round FGs. It was only a matter of time, to AAA companies we're not a community, we're an "untapped market".

the armchair corpo lawyer nerds are the WORRRRST

You hate em cause they’re right or what?

@@30ajgo what a lame take to the side of greedy business practices over a supportive community

they genuinely just enjoy scolding people i'm pretty sure lmao. it's incredibly lame

@@bbyjohn11 Yeah, I don't fault you for assuming that because in Tekken 7 it DID include stages in their ultimate edition/season pass. Sure, in hindsight it's there but most people don't buy a game assuming the company is going to screw them over

What's happening with Granblue?

​@@mormegil84They charge extra for certain stages as well.

@@tzera_rhuon But does the ultimate pass include or not? Big difference.

you can grind for them and even for DLCs, albeit slowly.

​@@tzera_rhuonRising's stages have been free so far though? There was stage dlc for the original, but with Vane we just got a stage for free

There is replay takeover in SF6?

​@@chocobolord_ Added recently

@@chocobolord_ As of the newest update, yeah.

People will blindly shill for late stage capitalism unfortunately.

@@Invictus_Mithra 5 dollars for a stage isn't even crazy. Teklen fans are entitled and whiney

FGC players have no, theyre nobodies outside of the community.

​@@666slateran666lol what? You are for sure the type of guy who bootlicks bamco

@@azizkash286 no, I just like the Tekken team and think it's a better game in its current state than it's contemporarys. And at least their story content is free unlike the 50 dollar MK1 expansion. Stages and costumes don't grow on trees.

Whut?

Fighting Bea and Lucilius without knowledge does sound like a horrid time 😂

Ya Beatrix is my 2nd most hated character and I can't even lab against her. It's so infuriating

Sounds like Cygames wants you to pay or stop playing. Honestly the combativeness of these companies is ridiculous.

There's an upsettingly large group of gamers who seem to only be interested in the dopamine hit of something "new", rather than actually enjoying and playing what they already have. Players who hardly learn anything about the game they play and simply rush to spend money so they can have the new thing that's shiny.

@@DaviddeBergerac 10000% fax

@@DaviddeBergerac I've actually been on that phase recently

@@leithaziz2716 Play Dragon's Dogma 2 it might legit help by being obtuse and interesting

At least the discs for ssf4 had all the soca. Now they put it on a code so it’s not even available unless you go online

It's a double edged sword tho. If they aren't getting money from in game stuff eventually they will run out. Them being a niche platform fighting game dev and all

As much as I hate what Tekken is doing, going to the other extreme and giving everything away for free is asking for the death of your game

They're going to monetize with cosmetic microtransactions, something Tekken should have done, only.

That means they are either shutting down way sooner than Tekken or they are stupidly overpricing something else in exchange.

​@@fleepity If they're giving content out free then Im Pretty sure they've taken that into account. They probably expect sales to more than cover the necessary cost.

every numbered game from now until the end of time

ON GOD MAN 😭😭😭

I'm still as salty that I paid for him unknowingly in a character pass as I was getting him in SC2 instead of Link or Spawn...

I'm personally mad that they made a whole game about ending a +20 year old conflict before going "nah, let's keep this going. Guess we like Heihachi too much to commit to our decisions." At least Bedman in GG was made a broken robot/protective brother when he came back, which was a cool shakeup. Even Zato had a complete personality shift to highlight consequences

Unfortunately that's just the way things are now, people got so accustomed to having the fan favorites be deliberately held back for DLC that now companies are doing it with main staple characters. KOF didn't have Kim until season 2, Guilty Gear didn't have Slayer until season THREE and I guarantee you we'll eventually see a Street Fighter game where Ken is a DLC character. It could have been stopped but you know FGC is allergic to holding companies to any kind of standard.

SF6 does it best “here’s an absolute fuck ton of rental passes to try new characters”

Or just use mods and not pay a dime. The namcops ain't gonna ban me 😂

or just pirate and mod your copy. like i am playing tekken 8 on my 2nd monitor. as i type these words, got lili in a nurse coat with a black microbikini trying to get to god of destruc rank in ghost battle! bamco has shown me that they see me as an atm. sorry but they got the PIN wrong, they aint getting a DIME from me. fuvk em! i could buy it legally but what? get locked out of characters and nickle and dimes in the customization? i am not a sheep.

@@da_001 lol that's the spirit

Just playing devils advocate but they are releasing characters skins, they've been for a while now

They should’ve added tekken coins to it but they didn’t to hide the tekken shop from reviewers. Scummy af

Harada is such a snake in the grass.

Harada is not a dev, he is a marketer.

@@chrislee5268 Always has been, but the FGC wants to act like its Professional Wrestling so idiots will defend legitimate bad actors.

He has no involvement in these decisions. The Tekken Project split into two halves and he only retained control over the creative side and specifically NOT the marketing/monetization side of things.

I remember from a Dunkey video that Microsoft pulled off some similar nonsense with Left 4 Dead.

Wasn't this for L4D and not TF2?

You’d think microsoft would’ve listened to a company that’s got one of the best reputations in gaming, but oh well. Console tf2 got diddly. Not even a patch to stop ppl from going under or above the map and do some real griefing.

​@@ApexGaleit happened with both games. L4D was forced to charge for some content that was free on PC. TF2 on console is basically stuck on 1.0 because their whole update system just ended up being entirely incompatible with the console ecosystem.

Specifically, they had a system at the time that was something like 4 free minor patches and maybe 1 free content patch? After that, you'd have to pay. Microsoft had to check the updates and then host them, so they probably thought that it was fair, but if you played launch TF2, you'd know it needed a lot more than 4 patches to get to a functional state (among other things, you literally couldn't play online on console at launch, and on both console and PC there was like a 1/10 chance that all projectiles would pass through walls until map change.) At the time, microsoft and sony just didn't see games updating frequently as a normal thing. Maybe 1-2 post launch patches to fix bugs, and then the assumption was any further updates would be larger dlcs or expansions. Valve, on the other hand, did things via constant iteration, and at some point they slapped a 1.0 on TF2 and then launched it, then just kept iterating. They tried to group up a few of the patches to shove them to console all at once, but they still used up their free patches, and then they couldn't justify paying money for weekly patch updates on something they didn't even have plans for further monetizing yet. By the time the game went F2P and started putting in hats and new weapons, the console versions were a ghost town, so it probably didn't seem worth it to revisit.

SF 6 also gives you rental tickets for free. I buy DLC so I am maxed at 10 hours but I don’t need them.

@@roncrudup2110 Oh yeah, that's good too! I've used a Ticket for every DLC character so I can see their Arcade modes, and I still have 8 in store.

SF6 is different kind of bad. What they charge for cosmetics and the lack of proper cosmetics is hilariously bad. Like, one set of costumes for main characters are overall $108… come on. While Tekken has free costumization and even the paid ones are okay-ish, since at least most character can get them. But they are going full throttle on inconveniencing people who don’t buy dlc characters with the replay feature and now the stage.

@@arpadszabo661 At the risk of sounding like an apologist:I don't think the overall price of costumes is that bad, since I doubt most folks would buy costumes for characters other than their main and maybe their secondary. That said, the in-game currency nonsense is of course bad. You shouldn't have to buy 12 € worth of currency to buy 6 € costume.

@@MrThaes Idk, maybe i would be more forgiving towards SF6 if they would spend their time at least making costumes for the roster characters instead of only releasing 1 set in more than a year, while constantly making avatar stuff instead.

preach, harada doesnt """"care""""" they just want profits at any cost.

@@da_001 yeah, so we gotta show him this shit doesnt work by not buying it. Ppl like him wont stop doing this shit until we stop buying it

It’s always better to play a better game

I'm not paying for any of these reskins. Def ain't worth it.

@@benzoFE88 i paid $5 for the blanka chan skin, i had to ;w;

"If you dont have the dlc, how are you going to practice for tournaments" You can't, that's the point. They want to nickel and dime you for every penny you have. It's unbelievably shitty.

@@dyrr836 i would've understood paying for the story part 2 for 5 dollars compared to the stage.

Idk if it REALLY matters, you can do practice mode online now and if 1 person has the stage you can both use it just like in T7 and unlike with characters

I haven't played Strive in forever. Man, that's a really lame practice, especially since a lot of people enjoy GG's story.

That game is dead on arrival tho

@@azizkash286 how is it dead on arrival

@@azizkash286 1v1 game, DoA lol Man how you get here?

facts facts.

I don't remember anyone defending the $100 costume set, everyone I've heard mention it even outside the fgc seems to think it's ridiculous. The fact you don't need those seems more like a reminder that you can choose not to buy it than a defense of Capcom's practices

Zoomers have been conditioned from birth to defend big corporations.

@@Altra_duck it's not a good argument is it. Nobody is ready to talk about paid cosmetics and the death of the art style.

Tekken 7 actually split the characters and stages from what I can tell but only for Tekken characters. Guests like Negan, Noctis and Geese came with their stage and music at a slight premium (still cheaper than an average character plus stage). I guess they thought could repeat it since it got few complaints in comparison to paid frame data.

​@@thelastgogetayou got both if you had the pass,it's different

@@flamescorpio5850 It is "different" but it is still bad that you need to buy a Season Pass (there are four of them) including characters or modes that you don't want just to bundle in stages which their associated characters for a bit cheaper. Smash Ultimate has two Fighters Passes but you could still buy any character with their stage plus music. You were not forced to get any Mii costumes that you wouldn't be interested in. This applies to Smash 4 as well. Technically being able to buy stages separately is a nice option, but given that they are strongly associated with characters and part of the competitive scene which would want all stages and characters - they should ideally be free if not bundled with characters.

My smile fades every time it shoves battle pass stuff in my face

just pira8 if your on pc, if not them im sorry friendo, or buy used. dont give em a cent!

@@da_001 im on playstation, it is what it is

I put the game down when Eddy released tbh

Just play other games. Probably older games. Or just other genres. Fighting games are rip-offs outside of SNK and indie games now IMO.

But you bought the game 🫠 stop supporting this shit

Street Fighter 6 practically already does the first half. You have to pay for palettes of costume 1 barring the two you get for free.

One day training mode will be paid DLC and idiot gamers will defend it as "most players don't even bother with it so it's okay."

DOA does this

Yea DOA6 did this, it was ran by Yohei Shimbori!, which he ran the game so into the ground Koei Tecmo stopped supporting it. DOA IS NOW DEAD. Guess who is in the dev team for Tekken 8? Very same guy, you can even fight his avatar in Ghost battle as Shimbori_y. Really messed up eh?

Oh, don’t worry 2XKO is on the way. I bet there will be plenty of chromas to buy on top of skins.

At least in SF6 you don't have to own the character to do replay takeover against them. But Killer Instinct solved this problem 12 years ago, you could training mode against DLC you didn't own you just couldn't play them yourself.

@@Douphipp455 t8 sells more than 2 million copies and bamco still cries that it's hungry

I feel like you either sell a season pass OR keep the dlc a secret, you can’t do both

God I hate it so bad. “SURPRISE!!!!” Just tell us what we’re buying. Lmfaooo

The characters are a lot simpler though and there are like 50 dlc characters.

@@no_nameyouknowthere are 12. One pack of 5, one pack of 6, and one that was free

Too bad the netcode sucks in SSBU.

@@hypedrifter1715true

​@@no_nameyouknow the characters are at least as, if not more complex than street fighter characters. don't know if you confuse it with brawlhalla or something

I'd also like to point out that Azur Lane is still better monetized than most of these games and that's literally a borderline h-game gacha

Just make fighting games free-to-play and we're good. Another pain is I play fighting games on PS5, and if games aren't ftp on there, I have to pay Sony to play online. PC players are winning.

Unfortunately it's mandatory to buy the stage because Tekken stages affect the gameplay. The ship has long since sailed where we can expect fighting games to have any reasonable monetization, I'm afraid.

@@dyrr836 it’s not mandatory. If you don’t buy it, it won’t be in the RNG pool of random. It’s also the same dimensions of the arena stage. I’m good.

@@EricSamaNYC it will though, I already played against people online that have the stage even though i didn't buy it. Everyone assumed both players needed to have it for some reason but that's not the case.

@@coffeeholic_3d shit, then that's definitely the only way I'll access this stage cause I ain't payin 🤣

All the big streamers will buy it, so that will influence everyone else to buy it.

It was actually $5 per character because each dlc pack had 6 characters. That being said there wasn’t any story mode in ultimate to my knowledge

@@kyallon1213 World of light, DLC packs included stickers. They were 6 dollars individually. 5 ea as part of a pack. Pack 1 was 5 characters Pack 2 was 6 (cause Sora at the end) To add insult to injury: each character is from a large, well known IP. There's literally 0 excuse for monetisation of this level of greed

and its one thing when it feels like youre paying extra for extra content to be added to your fully functional base game, but its so obvious that Tekken 8 was hollowed out for DLC opportunities. the moment everyone noticed how shitty customization was, i knew what was coming. so now you have to pay 70 for not even a full game, then you get to pay more to get a fully functional game. and now you have to pay even more than you did in 7.

I agree I was never a Streetfighter fan until T8 came out

fighter tokens only expire if you live in japan and its because its government law for them to do so. I've keep the same tokens for a bit over a year now without them going away

@@joedatius damn, japan needs to change their law

@@superbnns yeah its weird, i think it has something to do with some strange pachinko and gambling laws they have

Trusting Riot to do monetization right is laughable tbh