Wacker ET65 vs Kubota KX057. Bucket Breakout Comparison with Pin Grabber Coupler. 

Grinding Niels gears should be a weekly episode like TMT is.

We all want bigger numbers. The truth is that for most the difference could be made up by being a better operator. Nice video Niel.

Unfortunately you missed a opportunity to be transparent about this. Why didn't you do the same test with the kxo57 and compare the results with the glossy spec sheet? I'm a kubota fan! According to CAT the numbers the list are accurate for pin grabbers within thier mini line.

Good points. But I find most trenching and digging I am using dipper to load the bucket. Really only use bucket curl breakout for ripping up stumps.

So glad to see that load cell come back out!

Great video. I love tests like this which produce solid data. It would have been interesting to see the Kubota make a couple of pulls. 👍

Neil. first off, I have a lot of respect for you and your organization. Full disclosure, I own a dealership in Wisconsin. We sell Wacker, Krone and other brands. The video caught my attention by the title but then I recognized the actual machine you're testing because I bought it off auction. Small world. We should point out that it does have 1300 hours, and the question needs to be asked if it is 100% up to the pressure specs? I'll check it when I get a chance because I'm curious too. The other interesting fact is you can't buy an ET65 in the US without a hydraulic pin grabber. It's standard equipment. Here's a practical example of breakout force. I used the ET65 on my own property to dig a trench thru the woods. Put a 12" bucket on it and sliced though roots and rocks like nothing. Popped the 24" bucket back on to backfill. All from the cab. Even that 24" bucket is too small for this machine in many conditions. You really do need to do the same test on a Kubota machine. Inaccurate marketing claims grind my gears too so let's get to the bottom of this!

Your reputation is on the line Neil, Your saying the competition is bad because it has a pin grabber, but you do not say what your Kubota has for breakout force with an optional pin grabber. You use a used machine to check the competitors specs? SERIOUSLY??

All of your videos are great, Neil.

But you didn't do the same test with kabota to back up the same numbers..? Was Especially interested in you doing it with the KX57 as I just traded in a wacker newson 50Z3 for KX57. Lmao the title even says vs KX57 and didn't even do that part. Come on let's see it!

Great topic for discussion, your demonstration hits on some truths, but it’s also a little misleading. You are correct that almost all excavator manufactures, have their bucket break out, force measured with a pin on bucket, but that still will be a useful measurement of bucket breakout force. For example, if you were to take two excavators of different brands that are in the same class and have approximately the same bucket breakout force, and you were add a pin grabber coupler to each one of them, the loss of power would roughly be the same. Another point to be made is that the stick force is more important than the bucket breakout force because the majority of Excavation is done with the stick force. You only really need the bucket force if you’re prying out a rock or trying to break through hard pan. If a operator is working for a main stream, underground construction or a grading company being able to reverse the bucket, and be able to attach two multi brands of buckets is essential to productivity.

Great job. I have always appreciated your honest approach when discussing equipment across the board.

Fortunately, if that spec sheet breakout force number is uber important to you and you still want all the convenience of the pin grabber coupler (or similar) you can always get a custom bucket or 2 made shorter, so the geometry from the end of the stick pin to the tip of the bucket teeth matches a standard bucket, when using the coupler (then it wouldn't be 8" further out to the teeth in this case). Problem solved, course you will have less capacity in the bucket, unless the rear of the bucket is setup like a high capacity bucket... Personally, I think the convenience and versatility of the Hydraulic pin grabber coupler is way more important than the ultimate bucket breakout force number..... but that is just my opinion, yours may vary (& be wrong:) but anyways, have a good one!!

I have a kubota and went for a pin grabber, i would rather have the flexibility and tight fitting bucket over the tiny breakout loss, i have run a machtin machine with the oem kubota hitch and I did not notice any difference in performance, but I did notice a less optimal curl and reach compared to my pin grabber.

Very interesting. Great video!

You should check the numbers in a brand new Kubota to prove the test. Also how many hours on that wacker?

You gonna test that revved up or just idle it when you dig too?? They say that shouldn't matter but if you've never ran a machine at idle vs revved up you know it actually does.

Interesting test, thanks for the info

My neighbor has a pin on. The arm is bent near the pin and replacing the bucket would be very expensive. He would love to have a quick coupler.

So, if i am not mistaken, that style pin on coupler for the Kubota suffers loss in performance also which means the specs would also be wrong on the spec sheet. But if the couple has the same pin locations on a different manufacturer as most are on the Kubota, then the specs would be correct on the spec sheet for the other manufacturer. Correct me if I have misunderstood, thanks.

Neil would be a fun guy to drink with😂

I've always considered you a wacker Neil.

But why is there the "bucketpin-assembly" still in place? Shouldn't the quick-coupler be welded straight to the bucket? In my eyes that looks like a ordinary bucket (to be attached with pins) with some more steel added...

When is Kubota going to offer the hydraulic coupler for the KX057-5/U55-5?

Lying marketing departments, is that something new? Paul

8 inches is a lot! 🤔

Yanmar will post the breakout force for both quick coupler and pinned bucket