Lowkey one of the most powerful movie moments I've seen. I jumped off the sofa and pumped my fist at this. Waco & Ruby Ridge shaped me tremendously as a young man in my early 20's Seems to only be getting worse
One of the most optimistic, moving, hopeful scenes in any tv series or film, given the circumstances. Considering this with what happened in the final episode makes it all the more heartbreaking. God bless all of them
Do note that this show was (and they displayed it in text during the opening credits of each episode) based off of two books. One written by the lead FBI negotiator (Gary Noesner) and one written by one of the survivors of the Branch Davidians (David Thibodeau). Both of them were unaware of who fired first and the two were going off of what they believed happened. So, this show was just going off of the narrative in those two's eyes.
@@AndyJessPromotions no... they'd never do that... not like they have a track record of shooting innocent people, and burning down building with cs gas, exactly like this. they're always respectful and treat everyone as innocent until proven guilty... oh wait... no they don't.
So, I agree with both parts of your sentence. Though, as this miniseries was based off of two books and one of them being written by the lead FBI negotiator at the siege, Gary Noesner, Gary was highly against the use of these sounds and the other methods of pressure put onto the house. He wanted to maintain just the negotiation without force. So, I really do respect Gary a lot on this.
This scene made me root for him. Koresh was obviously a bad guy, but the FBI is worse. And the ATF is worse tenfold. The fact they still exist today is baffling.
I went to Branch Davidian to visit on a trip when I was in Waco. There is a lot that they have to say when you go there. There is so much to the story that people don’t know. It’s pretty wild. I went there close minded and came out of there seeing a whole different side to the story. It was eye opening and very informative. Don’t believe everything that the media says. They weren’t abusing kids or causing anyone harm. If they lived in polygamy, that’s a moral and religious thing but not something that should have caused the deaths of all of these people. It was a civil matter that was not handled civilly. Bottom line, if the ATF and FBI were really there for the best interest of the children, woman and men who lived there, then they would all be alive right now. There was no mass suicide. There wasn’t any explosion inside of the house. It was a mass murder. Period.
@@uldrensav972 I will say this, at almost 80 the man seems to be pretty coherent. Biden on the other hand is lucky if he remembers who or even what he is most days. I’m pretty sure he’s got a team of nurses at the white house for when he accidentally makes poopy.
I think something that a lot of people don't understand is that you can separate these agency's inherent existence from horrific events like Waco and Ruby Ridge. Waco was where everyone fucked up - the FBI failed, the ATF failed, the Justice Department failed, and frankly the Branch Davidians failed too. If only the Justice Department had exercised more competency in granting the ATF a warrant to go to Mt. Carmel, if only the ATF had arrested Koresh when he was out running by himself instead of going into his compound and putting women and children at risk, if only the FBI had exercised more restraint and professionalism, and if only David Koresh hadn't been so fucking evil, perhaps those people would still be alive today. It's a horrifically tragic situation fueled by incompetency. There are good Branch Davidians, there are good federal agents, but for those 51 days in Texas, you had just enough people willing to follow orders at any cost on either side. Not that this justifies what happened by any means, but think of it like this: in the 30 years since Waco, there's only been one Waco.
Joseph Seed, A.K.A. "The Father" is the cult leader of the Project at Eden's Gate and the sovereign de-facto ruler of Hope County, Montana in the Ubisoft game FAR CRY 5. He's primarily based on David Koresh.
Dude, his followers murder anyone who didn't capitulate to his teachings. If they weren't killed, they were exposed to the bliss and pretty much zombified. They weren't the same.
Tune the guitar a half step down.. e flat A flat, D flat etc.. the verse is a flat, (4th fret e string root) power chord. 2nd fret, 7th fret, 9th fret. Chorus is 4th fret , 6th fret, open, 2nd fret. Hope that makes sense lol I'm drunk
The thing is, EVERYTHING Koresh said the Government would do to those people, CAME TRUE. It's a damn good thing they stockpiled weapons ( not a crime to do so ) and they should have had more. To this day NO ONE has come up with ANY CRIME AT ALL that would have authorized the Federal government to go after Koresh or the Davidians
Just shows what flawed leadership causes from all sides. ATF made a mess and FBI made it 10x bigger without need. They acted improper. David in fact kept everyone in check with cult mentality. Everyone in there believed they were free to do what they want but it’s just not true. They were under his delusions. David tries his best to stop that one girl from leaving but when she uses her common sense. “You will not get my blessing”. Time and time again. When they are discussing their “options” David: “there are no other options, get out of my chapel” Chapel were they worship him. To thideau: “you are free to leave but the other is my wife and my daughter. They are MINE! To protect. You understand me” Even Steve. My manhood pride boiled to see him get c*cked that hard. He is literally asking permission to sent his wife out with his “stepdaughter” . David: “no, they are MINE!” How didn’t that break him and caused a mutiny. Just like the FBI negotiators wanted.
Yes. It wasn't this exact song, and don't ask me what song it actually was right now, but David Thibodaux(the drummer) confirmed in an interview that this happened.
@@figmentofyourimagination5359 It was confirmed by the FBI that it did happen, but it was actually a concert they had that lasted for several hours and that it was louder than the loud speakers they were using to play the crazy sounds.
I would prefer to still have the ATF due to them responding to the proper issues that make up their initials. There just needs to be reform for them - and for that reform to be coordinated with compromises between the citizens and the agencies themselves.
@@fivebrosstopmos I am assuming you mean the second amendment when you are saying 2A. I believe there should be a compromise here for sure. No second amendment would certainly violate the Constitution and would be bad if there were to be a textbook Government uprising (which is unlikely to happen anytime soon) AKA the US turning into the old England. But, the second amendment should be allowing people to have a huge amount of guns and owning operational cannons, rocket launchers, etc. Also - the second amendment was written during a time when muskets were not reliable individually, but rather in numbers (militia of farmers) - this is why they didn’t have individual self-defense on their mind with the amendment. So, a compromise of a modern day 2nd amendment to have modern day English and context should definitely have a compromise involved.
there's almost no way, they definitely rocked out during the siege but I don't think there's any mention anywhere of the sexy saxman song from Lost Boys being performed. It's "artistic license" but I think it works for the scene.
According to the FBI in an interview, they DID play a concert back to the agents, though this was BEFORE they cut the power off and the concert lasted for several hours. No confirmations on if this song was part of the concert or not.
I really thought Tim Riggins could make it on the big screen but after his flops and this scene I realize he is where he belongs. Dude made no attempt to make it look like he was playing guitar. Would’ve taken an hour of study to fool most people. Zero effort.
im not sure what the intent was when they made this series, but it certainly seemed like they were trying to make a hero out of Koresh. of course in recent years every film, rv show and news story one sees is blatantly biased and skewed. "just the facts please" does not exist anymore.
Thing is though. This really did happen. In defiance David did actually play his guitar infront of the FBI after they assumed to had shut off power to the compound.
im not talking about this scene, the entire series cast a VERY sympathetic eye at him and made him a true believer while neglecting all the really effed up stuff that was going on. just a tv show or not it is attempting to do revisionist history like many others things are these last years.
Sounds like you didn't grow up with a dietitian mother when your friends got to have the fun things like Zebra cakes and Cosmic brownies at school and you couldn't. Hehehe
You can thank the fact that they took the bait like noobs. Koresh honey-potted them, and got what he wanted. He murdered his entire cult and committed suicide by cop on live TV. all agencies involved didn't give a shit unless all the officers survived and whoever else had to bite the big one to accomplish this was fair game. Their welfare checks almost killed my husband Same thing at Ruby Ridge. How many officers got themselves killed and all everyone remembers is a mother being shot while carrying her baby. Seeing this made the Heaven's Gate cult rethink their own suicides not long after this and being like "yeah....we aren't going out like this!"
