@@ryuujinusathat was the almost part. I have a Zwift hub that came with a cassette for $499 😂. At any rate, it’s still ridiculous at twice the cost. Factor in 1% diff in accuracy and 4% increase in resistance, your not getting twice the effectiveness of training. And that’s how we ended up with $50 valve stems and $700 derailleurs.
Great video and review as always, Ray. If you had to put your hard earned on the table, would you buy a Kickr Move or would you invest in a rocker plate if the goal was longer sessions on the trainer? Thanks mate.
Good combination of Saddle - Bib - Seat-post and a normal Kickr V5 get me along for 12h+ on the trainer. No need for a rocker plate or this new Kickr move. Might work for some people but it´s not the super-weapon to master long indoor rides.
Not sure about paying for it, but I was skeptical of motion plates in the past until I got a set of Tacx Neo motion plates for free and I was surprised to find that it actually made my indoor riding experience better.
True, although the Move has a significantly better feel to it. Tested the Kickr today and I think the motion plates on Tacx are too ‘loose’ compared to this. The motion of the Move has a higher quality feel to it imo
Hi Ray, thanks a lot for the review. I have a direto 2018 and i'm looking for more silence and the possibility of adding movement in a small footprint. Consiering the sub 1200 eur bundles...neo 2T+rocker plates or Kickr Move? what would you buy?
Having now got the Kickr v6 I have found Wifi does not connect to 5 GHz only 2.4 GHz so not happy about that most of use have been on 5GHz for a long time bit bad by Wahoo I would say but I don't get dropouts any way on the other hand it might be important to others. I would have liked the auto updates though.
What I want is a scientific physiological explanation from Wahoo explaining why they included back and forth movement but not side to side. Those Axis rubber feet are a bit ‘meh’. So at face value it seems like a complete missed opportunity. Surely Wahoo knows about this concept called rocker boards. Kurt Kinetic were pioneers in this idea with the original wheel-on Rock and Roll.
Curious - Just did a side by side with the Move and a regular Kickr 2. Both calibrated, assuming the auto calibrate on the Move works). In Z2 regular riding about on the Hilly Route I was making 20-30 watts more on the Kickr 2. In top end sprinting my watts were, on average, about 50 watts higher on the Kickr 2. So, even though watts may well be perfectly accurate on both, I was able to naturally make more power on the Kickr 2 - Does this sound correct? For racing, the Kickr 2 seems like the best option? Thanks for any feedback and or pointers in the event that I may be doing something wrong.
(Posting this to your latest video as this video is the one that you are most likely to monitor). Can you make a brief video about when you are likely to be able to comment on the new Ultra Watch 2? Especially of interest is how the new watch can integrate with third party sensors like power meters and (maybe) Garmin platform devices. I use both Apple and Garmin and a huge annoyance is the divide between these two worlds. Also, are any upcoming changes/features limited to the physical platform, or will WatchOS include the "old" Ultra in any connectivity benefits? Thanks!
Hmmm, the cable routing looks like a risk for pinching, but maybe I am overlooking something in the design. Wish the flywheel was bigger, might compel me to move away from the Saris - never thought I would say that for a Wahoo offering! Not having to sacrifice the bulk for a rocker plate is a solid tradeoff though 🤔 At any rate, good for Wahoo in innovating when it was clear that the trainer market has reached its marginal gain phase. Like for the algorithm people 😁
Flywheel weight is funny. The Saris has a heavier flywheel but it spins at 1:1 with the cassette. Wahoo does a lighter flywheel but it’s spun through a gear ratio relative to the cassette almost 7:1 I believe. Its spinning much faster. It feels different.
Yup, that was the first and patented fore-aft motion system. Saris came along with their plate and got a patent separate from the IR one. Now we have Tacx and Wahoo in the mix, which is good overall. More exposure and options for people to add motion, which is better than rigid for a lot of riders.
Nah, I definitely want the lateral ROCK for out of the seat climbing and sprinting to get the IRL action that the ROCK provides. I am surprised that Wahoo went to all this effort and failed to include the ROCK, missed opportunity imo. I would not see any reason to buy this.
@DC RAinmaker Love this video review, I am just about to buy a KICKR glad you have a youtube channel going now. I used your website forever and even got great feedback from you in the past. 🤘🤘 P.S. What silver BMC frame is that you are using on the trainer I'm digging it.
@@s1lent51 I wish I saw it earlier. I got the Move. The only thing I'd say is hard getting used to is the back and forth and the clunk of the limits being hit going forward and back but it's quite nice.
Hey Ray, since I know you have lots of time on the kickr bike (which I have and not the new one), does the riding experience from this "move" setup feel overall better than the experience with the kickr bike? Don't get me wrong. I love the thing. I overuse the hell out of the incline feature just to change my posture and not to match the gradient. But it doesn't move, obviously. And I'm not putting that thing on a rocker plate even if one would work. So, just curious what your thoughts on that were. Thank you
Yeah, I'd say the Move feels better in terms of the subtle movement. That said, I rarely remember to turn on the incline feature on the KICKR Bike - even last night I forgot to unlock it. Sigh. Now we just need a KICKR move, such as the KICKR Bike Shift, that can move like the MOVE.
Je mehr sich ein bike indoor bewegt desto unsicher fühlt es sich für mich an. Hab Stunden auf einem daum Trainer verbracht. Das selbe gilt für Life Fitness Geräte. Kaum habe ich auf Wahoo kickr gewechselt, war eine Stunde schon schwierig.
Wow , that’s a lot of money , is there anything on the market which is good but a more realistic price for people who just want a cycle trainer and not a mortgage.
Doubtful when you consider the price reduction they just applied to the Core. It will likely remain a foundation level trainer that hits the main features of interest to most users. Adding a separate rocker plate will likely still be the most cost effective option for a while. Perhaps they could add motion in the future models, but it will undoubtedly increase price as well.
What's the point of the platform moving backwards? My bike has never oscillated fore and aft while riding out on the road. For me, such movement would be a massive distraction that only detracts from an attempt to simulate a real-world experience.
I built a rocker plate for about $20 US. Plywood with four holes at each corner about 1" smaller than the diameter of a tennis ball. Four tennis balls under the plywood, one in each hole. The friction of the wood on the balls keeps it stable, but there is good side to side and front to back movement. I cut the plywood to be a few inches bigger in each dimension than the footprint of my KICKR trainer. Works great and a whole lot cheaper than a $400 premium for this front to back addition. And it works perfectly with the KICKR Climb, just put a small bosu ball (flat side down) under the climb to raise it up to height of the trainer on the rocker plate.
@@frits8986 rocker plate is a generic term, because there are quite a few available now that offer lean AND fore-aft motion. They are available all around the world from roughly a dozen or so vendors the last I did a rough count. And all of the options that offer fore-aft also offer lean that vastly surpasses the minor Axis feet motion present in the Wahoo Kickr's. Essentially, there are lots of options for size, price and motion.
So interesting that they didn't also have the side to side motion. I have a kicker core right now and was looking at the axis rockr plate which has both fore aft and side to side motion but its like $1000 and it will take up a good amount of space. Makes me wonder if I'd miss the side to side if I went with this and sold my kickr core to offset the cost.
I purchased the move and it does have side to side movement approximately 1 inch either way along with forward and back. Did my first ride last night. So far, I like the change.
They already exist. The opposite lean to pedal timing is a combination of leveling springs that are too stiff, and riders not taking actual control of the handlebars. Most rockers lack any steering connection, so even when you set them up properly, they take a bit of effort to ride and actually balance well, which then translates to proper standing form. The Inside Ride E-Flex Plus is the best and more realistic motion system that I have tested (from dozens of my own designs and several from other makers). It connects the steering and leaning action to a closer mimic than any other system on the market.
@@gregbrown3764 it is and it works really well, if that is what a rider wants. Inside Ride also created the E-Motion rollers, which are what I consider the most "realistic" indoor riding experience short of massive and expensive bike treadmills. But the E-Motion rollers take some serious attention and control that not everyone wants for inside riding. The E-Flex Plus is about 80% of that experience without nearly as much required attention (or related risk). That is the right mix for me with most of the benefits of motion rollers, but enough "support" in the way of a trainer that it hits all the marks I want. I've been using an E-Flex for nearly 3 seasons now and don't plan to replace it with any other option I've seen at this point.
The movement might be nice but is this still compatible with the Kickr Climb? That is my big question since I think I would still prefer that over this if I had to pick one or the other. Or even the regular Kickr bike. The site has been updated with all the products but this is still not on the Kickr Climb compatibility list yet are selling a bundle of both products together? Okay, it looks like it requires an adapter to make it work. Which is understandable but strange.
Awesome review! Why are they still offering an 11-speed cassette??? It should really be an option to select which cassette you want with the bike just like the Zwift Hub. Lets say you have the latest and greatest bike, you cannot use it with this because it is a 12-speed and this doesn't natively support a 12-speed bike. The must have a bucket-load of 11-speed cassettes if that is what's being offered with the trainer even thought the groupset market shifted over to 12-speed(no pun intended).
unfortunately those wahoo rocker feet have zero movement, let's be honest. in saying that if Wahoo came up with better rocker feet design that actually provided movement I'd buy them.....
0:33 LOL, he can’t even look straight at the camera when he says that price and cuts his sentence off to boot. Even he knows it’s grossly overpriced. What does he say? That price is pretty damn…?
I said “pretty darn pricy”, you can hear that pretty clearly. And then I talk about price more at the end of the video quite a bit. Did you not actually watch the video?
@@Dcrainmaker I watched to the end. Others are mirroring my sentiments on the price. It’s also disappointing that they couldn’t create an upgrade path for current owners, if it’s the exact same thing. I couldn’t see it long or close enough, but if it’s the “same kickr”, it begs the question why they don’t make a kit.
@@GNX157 It's a welded part of the frame. As for other options, there have long been other options if you want to spend the money - for which you'll find is basically the same added cost as this: www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/09/insiderides-new-wahoo-kickr-flex-motion-accessory-hands-on.html
Wahoo anything is trash. Pot metal flywheel shaft on the kickr will gall and wear out, vibrate excessively and fail. Bearing replacement won’t fix it. Garbage quality, premium price.
All of this motion plate / wobbling movement crap is awful. This is not how a bike actually moves when you ride outside. Such a silly gimmick that ads nothing of value to riding indoors.
It's not so much intended to simulate outdoors with full fidelity, it is intended to relieve the undue pressure created in the undercarriage and excess tightness through the hips and posterior chain that results from sitting on a fixed bicycle. It's more than a gimmick. People who do indoor rides north of 3 hours appreciate the subtle relief. If it's not for you, that's fair. But making value judgements and hasty generalizations about a product based on YOUR preferences is a bad look. Enjoy your day.
Maybe but an hour ride on my bike doesn’t bother my butt at all. I did an hour today on a trainer and it was screaming by the end. There is something different about the indoor stress.
