People who agree to arbitration when signing up for Disney+ (if they even read the terms) would expect it to apply to disputes about the streaming service. Not a family member’s death at a restaurant in a public shopping center.
Wait, they are saying signing up for a trial of a digital streaming service means you give up your ability to sue any part of the company, such as if your loved one dies of an allergic reaction to food served at a physical restaurant after telling staff of that severe allergy? Arbitration would get pennies on the dollar of what that family deserves for that negligence. Wild. Hope the lawyers that thought of that are real happy with themselves.
Unfortunately, I guess there's a precedent for this. I guess AT&T/Direct TV pulled something similar. (Luckily, there was no death involved, just spam calls)
Disney is crazy for this. The PR is awful. Why not just offer a huge settlement? The guy isn't even trying to sue for that much in the grand scheme of things.
arbitration is the worst avenue that it can go to other then no court at all, most all of arbitration is in the companies favor. Even if the husband gets a paid outcome, it'll rarely be close to what they would have gotten in a jury court. That agreement should be against the law, especially if negligence is shown
Disney does not own Ragland Road so it makes no sense. Its like a Mcdonalds in a shopping mall. Also, menus say: Guests must speak to a cast member about their allergy-friendly request. While we take steps to help mitigate cross-contact, we cannot guarantee that any item is completely free of allergens. Our allergy-friendly recipes may use highly refined oils, such as soybean oil, and/or ingredients that are processed in facilities that also process allergens. It is ultimately our Guests’ discretion to make an informed choice based upon their individual dietary needs.
They don't even own that restaurant so not sure why they are being sued. People just want to go after the deep pockets and not who they think is responsible. Plus there is no way that any restaurant can guarantee that there is no cross contamination. If you have a life threatening food allergy, you don't eat out. Some of you have this irrational hate for Disney that you lose all sense of reason when it comes to them.
Imagine that man dying on Big Thunder Mountain RR and Disney using the excuse of ‘they had the Disney Channel as apart of their cable tv package, so they should not get to sue us in court.’
Do you think 'Great Moments With Mr Lincoln" is also weird?? That was about a great man from the past. How is this any different? Walt thought it would be such an experience to be in the presence of a great man from our American History. I feel there are many of us who feel this way about Walt. I myself visited his gravesite in Glendale and felt his presence there. What better way to be in Walt's presence than in this form. I'll bet there will be many in awe and maybe tears when that curtain opens...
@@ChrisAguilar-69Abe Lincoln had been deceased for almost exactly 100 years when the animatronic was built and now almost 200 years. Walt has only been gone for 70.
I wish you would not defend Disney here in any way, it is disgraceful that any court would entertain this nonsense that if you subscribe to Disney + You give up all your rights to negligence, shame on you Tom!
I will refuse to believe that the Disney animatronic is accurate unless it is holding a lit cigarette and the attraction smells like an old restaurant smoking section.
If they insist on going forward with the Walt Disney AA, then they should at least limit the dialogue to ACTUAL Walt Disney audio recordings. No AI. No sound alike.
They've got plenty of audio from his TV appearances to work with. The danger would be if they picked and chose and reworked what he said to get him to say what they want him to say.
I'm just surprised no one has argued that if Walt would have wanted an AA he'd have made one while he was alive or at least approved it as he was dying. He saw Lincoln and other AA being built and to have never seemed to say he'd like to see himself feels odd. Especially since Roy and on to now no other people that personally knew Walt seems to have presented the idea until now.
@@Atmblack03Walt’s wife and daughter have both opposed an AA figure of Walt for years! The Iger team waited until after Diane Disney Miller passed away to do this. And they did not consult Walt’s family, only Roy’s. And they publicly lied about it. Unthinkable way to treat Walt’s family.
The lawsuit thing is pretty crappy of Disney. Just bc u have Disney + should not affect the possibility of suiing Disney especially when someone died. DO BETTER DISNEY!!!!! I wonder how many people will now cancel Disney +
5:52 No, Tom, Disney’s position here is absolutely indefensible. If they want to settle, they can settle without needing to even go to arbitration. While the arbitration judge is SUPPOSED to be independent, the company - Disney - is the one who gets to hire them. And it’s well known in the legal community that if you don’t side with the company, you won’t get re-hired in arbitration cases. They want this to go to arbitration specifically so they can pay out less. Don’t try to defend Disney on this one - this is “evil corporation” BS that the company’s PR department should have never let happen. A settlement is FAR cheaper than this Streisand Effect problem they now have on their hands.
It appears Disney hasn’t said much, so you are only hearing one side of the story. The Disney plus thing is really, really stupid, especially in this very sad situation. I would be interested to know if there is anything thats missing and we’re not getting full context - for example, how much is the family asking for, or has Disney made any reasonable offers to settle. I also don’t know the legal aspects, but I’m surprised it would be Disney’s fault when it seems like the restaurant is operated and I assume owned by a third party.
@@kikiandlucabecause his boy Bob ogre is back in the reins despite torpedoing this company into oblivion worse than Chapek would ever dream of. Yet I f chapek was still in there wdwnt would be one of the biggest mouths speaking out against this…..but bobby boy ogres there so gotta stand up for their press pass.
I have very mixed feelings about the Walt attraction Of course I'm dying to see it. But just because you can do a thing does not mean that you should do a thing. Honestly I think the family should have the final say.
Since childhood Walt Disney was an inspiration for me. I grew up going to Disneyland on my birthday each year. When I heard about the animatronic I teared up. To get an opportunity to meet Walt - wow - that's wish upon a star stuff. I agree, this feels like a project of love and reverence.
Y'know... Even in Walt's time, they were making animatronics of historic figures. If you can make one of Abe Lincoln you should be able to make one of Walt Disney.
Every 4-8 years they make an animatronic of the new President, of course that President is still alive and presumably gives permission since they actually do audio specifically for the show. That said, whether or not it's whether you "should" make one, it depends if the grand kids who don't want it have any legal right to his image as there are rights on post-mortem publicity in California that lasts for 70 years, so if they did have that right they can legally stop Disney from doing this... until 2036 when those rights dissolve. I personally don't have issues with it, and think it could be quite inspirational.
As a former castmember who worked at One Man's Dream, I have the utmost respect and admiration for Walt Disney and I'm anxious to see this new animatronic and the attraction itself. However, I completely respect the feelings of Walt Disney's family and those who worked with him. Tom, I hope you are right and that they are going to treat this new project with the sensitivity, respect, and reverence it deserves. I guess only time will tell.
I think having an attraction on just Walt Disney speaking, I’m all for it. I respected when they brought in one great president (Lincoln), they should be able to do this with one great man (Walt). I think if they make it like something similar to the show in Epcot colonial area (that is one great show), this will be great! I love historic point of view which Walt always wanted to bring to everyone, this is another piece of history that should be shared in this type of format. This is one great project.
With the way that Disney corporate has tried to sell us on the concept that Walt would approve of what EPCOT became/has become, I firmly believe that they'd try to fudge things with the Walt animatronic show. Even if the don't have the figure explicitly say so via AI, the could imply Walt's approval with a montage of current EPCOT to sell people on it. The Imagineers might develop the show out of pure love, but the corporation can mandate out-of-character aspects that would tarnish Walt's legacy. A third-person presentation might be a safe bet, but I don't trust that a first person (ish) animatronic show would end up a pure tribute to Walt Disney the man. My opinion, of course.
Totally agree. They already do this all the time, cherry picking quotes from him, taking them out of context and using them to justify whatever their own decisions are instead of just admitting that they don't really care whether or not he would have agreed. There's a sliver of a chance I MIGHT have trusted this project in the hands of people who personally knew him and knew him well, but not the current leadership.
I love it! ALL Disney + subscribers waive their right to sue Disney...even if a lamp post falls on them in the PARKS! That is brilliant Disney....evil, but brilliant. I hope her family wins.
@@harmonvlog - Burbank management has been relentlessly smashing and bashing the Disney logo with a sledge hammer over the past 10 years or so. It's sad to watch them kill the company that I have deeply loved since I was child.
@@lovedfriend2020 - It does not matter. That's what Disney has us agree to as Disney+ subscribers. Now...if we cancel our Disney +....do we still waive our right to sue Disney for any reason? I dunno...but I bet the agreement still exists after canceling. Anyway...this issue is OUR fault, not Disney's. "We" are the ones agreeing to the terms. Disney laughs and says: "If you are stupid enough to sign this when you subscribe to Disney+...that's YOUR fault"
@lovedfriend2020 it shouldn't, but there's a reason Disney lawyers have had a reputation for 40 years. Remember when Disney sued that day care center and the family who wanted to put Spiderman on their child's headstone?
I guess my issue is that they didn't ask the granddaughter before they announced. They must have some directive from either Walt or his daughter that she's not aware of, but whether they "can" in the words of Malcolm (Jurassic Park) they maybe should have consider if they "should".
The lawyers who proposed that Disney+ defense should be disbarred, never to practice law again. This is just disgusting, but in perfect alignment with the company's current culture and leadership.
Regarding the first topic, I will disclose that in 2023 the only time I have ever dined at Raglan Road I received food poisoning and was sick for half a week. My brain refuses to let me give the restaurant another try.
I honestly can’t figure out why, but recreating presidents dead and alive doesn’t feel weird to me, but “resurrecting” Walt feels a little macabre. Maybe because the parks themselves are already monuments to Walt Disney and making him an actual animatronic (a technology he pioneered) is like the opening of a sci-fi flick or an episode of the Twilight Zone that goes terribly terribly wrong. 😂
Maybe because presidents are in history books everywhere and knew what they were signing up to be that famous? But then again, Walt was the host of a whole TV show explaining Disneyland. But still, maybe the brand/collaborative changing company should be the bigger focus than the individual that started it?
But it is an arbitration company that Disney chose. You have to wonder how unbiased an arbitrator could be when you are deciding a dispute between a company that is paying you a boatload of money every year to decide their cases and an individual you will never see again. Also you have to wonder how long Disney would continue to use an arbitration company that rendered decisions against them.
The fact that 8 people (so far) liked the channel's ridiculous response is absolutely wild. Not to mention very telling the level of condoning some folks will go to absolve Disney of responsibility for things that occur on their property.
@@WDWNTI think the information that people are shocked about is that you can get severely injured or DIE at a Walt Disney property & the company will refuse to take full responsibility... because of a streaming service subscription (even if you just signed up for a free trial at one point). I think that's what people wanted you to address.
@@bapeater totally. it's one of the sleeziest lawyerly things I've ever heard about. Can't believe @WDWNT is defending the company. Man, putting them on the media list really paid off for Disney.
The difference between animatronic historical figures and recreating humans in animatronic form that were alive in our lifetime is huge. No one living today has any idea how Lincoln moved or smiled. So the bar is low- make it look life like and it’s great. However many Disney fans and Disney family members clearly know how Walt talked, walked, and smiled- so the bar is extremely high to bring him to life. Just look at the last 3 or 4 animatronic presidents created by Disney. All are severely lacking in likeness of form, function, and mannerisms. Entertaining? Sure. A realistic bringing to life of the actual presidents? No. I guess we will see soon enough if the Walt animatronic delivers more than a close approximation.
I think Walt will be selling collectible bottles of water from the former Rivers of America. He will talk about how little Frontierland meant to him because it wasn't a merchandising juggernaut. And his desire to cement over the Epcot lake - hey, a hotel would be a profit center.
Then he'll state "That isn't my Frontierland, that was a clone my brother built to honor me, and that isn't my Epcot, I didn't want an amusement park for it"
I understand wanting to make progress on a big figure, but I really don’t think “reviving” your company’s creator to perform forever is the way to do it.
The company has a clear track record of justifying “change” by misquoting or reframing Walt’s words. Though, to your point, it’s usually via press release. Being that Walt immortalized his hero by creating an animatronic - I don’t see that he’d have an issue with receiving the same honor. But I do see a world where they tie his ideas and words to modern properties and concepts that he would fundamentally disagree with. Not through vocal manipulation - as they would know we won’t go for that - but in their usual way of showcasing graphics and properties while tying those choices to Walt’s audio.
The discussion about "would Walt want this?" And using his words out of context and being excited to go visit essentially a statue, and "everyone who personally knew him is almost gone" is so similar to cult-like figures or even religious worship. "Would Jesus like that?" And cherry-picking parts of the Bible to be interpreted how you want. He was just a person! Who worked with whole team of people. (It's fine to admire him, but sometimes it's really weird to look at)
Trying to dismiss this case because they signed up for Disney+ years earlier. Man. This is why everyone is so miserable anymore in a capitalistic society. Literally EVERYTHING has some sort of strings attached these days.
@@lovedfriend2020what does a death due to negligence on the part of a company (Raglan Road) that simply leases a building from Disney and has zero affiliation with Disney have to do with Disney? The plaintiffs just named Disney because of their deep pockets.
@toddhensley880 you think it's fair that you waived your rights away because you signed up for a unrelated internet subscription several years earlier? OKAY
I understand Disney's need to robustly defend themselves but trying to force this into arbitration seems kind of the worst way to do it. Arbitration only benefits the company that pays the arbitrator, and it is not fair and makes Disney look like the Bad Guy.
Arbitration is actually a better way because they are not trying to get out of it, just trying to do the right thing since they do not own the restaurant.
@ttintagel moral bankruptcy too, with this lawsuit. Even if they do win, which is likely, it's still pretty scummy PR. Like the time they sued the day care center.
If Walt was allowed to make animatronics of historial figures like Abraham Lincholn, I don't see why his company can't honour him now in the same way. Obviously I never knew him, but I imagine he would be touched by the idea of being remembered in the same way at Disneyland.
I was gonna say that there are closer remaining next of kin to Walt than his great whatever, like his granddaughters. “I am your father’s, brother’s, cousin’s, nephew’s former roommate.”
"Well as I always said, here we like to keep moving forward and exploring new horizons, which is why I'm so proud of our new roller coaster themed to The Avengers now open in Disney California Adventure. It's exactly what I would have wanted." - Robalt Disney
🌟 "Robalt"!!!! Fantastic! You win the internet, my friend. I think "Robalt" will also admire the bulldozing of Frontierland and the demolition of Splash. And don't even get him started on Zipadeedoodah. 🐇🦊🧸
Maybe let the granddaughter approve it before it goes public . This would make it perfect ❣️I will say that was what I was most excited for and it was emotional as someone who watched him as a child on tv .
Okay Tom I find it appalling that you are playing devils advocate in defending Disney's want for arbitration. Do you honestly believe they want that because it's fair or because it's more beneficial for them. Truly appalled. This is the first time I have ever commented and I feel with this instance Disney media=mind washing.
@WDWNT Tom I'm not by any means saying disney is responsible. I know that raglan road is not a disney run property. That was not my issue! My issue is the lack of calling disney on their complete lack of morality on the clause itself. lawyers will lawyer but there is right and wrong and personal responsibility for holding people and institutions morally responsible. Personal side note I agree with some of the other viewers that arbitration clauses should be null and avoid in the cases of neglect.
@@maggiefabishak8655 I have a theory that Disney hopes to have the suit dismissed by any means necessary. They know that they do not own it and are not responsible but Raglan Road does not have deep pockets, like Disney does. They are great tenants and Disney does not want to see them go under. Why would the people sue Disney in the first place? Where is the integrity in that? We all know that the only reason they are suing them because they know that Disney does have these deep pockets. And that does not even address the fact that NO restaurant can 100% guarantee that there will be no cross contamination. It is foolish to eat out when you have life threatening allergies.
For the long term, a Walt animatronic show done with the utmost respect and care (which they will do) is the right move. It would be amazing if it could walk on its own but I'm sure we aren't there yet
Click-through agreements are silly and should not be binding this way - you cany consult Legal Counsel every single time you see one for permission to safely agree with the terms. 8:44
I dont know why but the host seems to be trying to validate the disney company expecially when it comes to that awful lawsuit and the animatronic discussion, like.... someone died and your siding with the company? Disney's legit family is against it, and your trying to say people dont view him as a real person? But that is what they are scared about, that his animatronic is a puppet to say and pull whatever message they want, even if it wasn't true or authentic to the real man.
Yeah, I don't like how the awful lawsuit was kinda sidelined. As for the animatronics, I'm for it. It sucks that Walt's family wasn't consulted & their concerns are valid. But I agree that this project can be done tastefully, with respect to Walt's legacy.
I love Asian park videos. Don't know why ppl would not like it. It's one my favorite videos to watch. Can't pay to watch right now. Thank you for covering all the parks. Hope one day go to Toyko in the future.
I wrote to Disney a couple times over the past several years saying they needed a Walt Disney animatronic. Who else should they create an animatronic of other than the Dreamer himself? To hear and see Walt speak "in person" will bring many to tears, including myself. I have waited years for this, so "Thank you, Disney, for listening to the fans of the man who started it all with his mouse"!
Animatronic Walt be like, "Have you folks seen the Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge? My accountants won't tell me how much we paid for those movies, but Smuggler's Run is a heck of a good time. Anyhow, it's like I've always said - if you can dream it, you can do it."
Hate the idea of the animatronic. Once finished they can make Walt do and or say things he a) had no opinion on or b) may have completely disagreed with. They can make him a puppet for the Company, not saying the will but they can. No one would have thought 15 years ago RoA would be taken out either. In regards to the animatronic, Tom is putting a lot of faith in a company he bashes so frequently.
I agree that the Walt Audio-Animatronic is being created out of love. The same love Walt had for the Abe Lincoln Audio-Animatronic. I’m curious how much input Walt took from Lincoln’s heirs back when they built it for the World’s Fair. Two great-grandchildren were alive at that time.
So now if you buy park tickets you sign your right to sue away even if their lack of maintenance on rides causes your injury , Disney is getting harder and hairdressers to like
I think it was maybe a case of they have wanted to do it but have had to wait for the technology to catch up with their vision. I can't imagine anything worse for them than if they built a Walt animatronic and it looks nothing like him etc.
They can't make an accurate Walt animatronic while hating everything else about him: being a straight white man, traditional America, family values, many of his animated films (especially Snow White), being anti-Communist, etc.
@@deee71194 Reverse UNO card. Their past decade of productions, censorship, legal actions, and company policies work in complete opposite to Walt's values.
TOM! Unrelated post - Just went to Jaleo with the family- it was amazing! You have talked it up in the past. Amazing food, wine, and service. Glad you put the recommendation out there. High end. Did not disappoint. Please continue to give it props. Your Bronx background influenced this guy originally from Queens. Keep up the great work!
Good news is WDI doesn't build the animatronics . They concept it, while Garner Holt designs and builds it. Garner will make sure it is as life like as possible and will be the best animatronic ever designed and built!
I think Tom is being a little naive about what he thinks this corporation will or won't do with property that it owns. Do you really think there won't be t-shirts and souvenirs that tie into this attraction. And you wanna talk about the kind of respect they have for property? Look how they treated Star Warz after they bought it from George. They misled him to believe they would base the sequels on his ideas, but once they owned it...
If I had a life-threatening allergy, I would never let someone else prepare my food. I can’t even trust a food server to know if my soda has caffeine in it.
i think Walt would roll over in his grave if he could see the company today …. he said you can’t beat pigs with pigs in reference to. 3 little pigs sequel and they announced nothing but sequel moves at D23 and he said roller coaster attract trashy people and they are building nothing but roller coasters
Loved binging the Shanghai ones! Also whoever did the Intro animation it's so good!!! To those complaining about too much Tokyo Disney stuff, I defy you there is no such thing as too much! I say more 😂
Tom, why are you in arguing in favor of Disney Parks disregarding the wishes of the Disney family? Especially Walt's direct descendants? Surely, you're not this insensitive? If the immediate family doesn't want an animatronic figure of Walt inside a park attraction, then Disney Parks should nix the idea. Period. And as long as this animatronic figure will be inside the park and part of an attraction, Disney Parks will profit from it.
@@WDWNT So, you see nothing wrong with the Disney organization disregarding the wishes of Walt's grandchildren? Is that it? And if they don't matter, why did Disney Park seek an approval from Roy's grandson?
Walt Disney himself oversaw and approved making an animatronic of Abraham Lincoln. They have absolutely no room to complain about Walt being made into an animatronic. It’s completely hypocritical.
Raglan Road is on Disney Property BUT is owned by Dublin Businessmen Paul Nolan and John Cooke and is operated by Great Irish Pubs Florida Inc. so this can add another twist possibly even with partners wording in Disney’s statement. Guess we will see what happens
I’ve come to think that Disney’s move to try and have the case dismissed based on the D+ and MDE user agreements isn’t so much about this situation specifically. I think they’re trying to test the legal waters to see how much protection these types of agreements will give them for all cases like this going forward where they could be held liable for something. Really terrible for someone’s death to be used this way.
I'm sure this comment wont get noticed but I really appreciate the videos. My uncle who has been retired for awhile use to work as a bus driver for WDW so I was always grateful in having easier access to the parks. Many fond memories of visiting my grandparents in Orlando and hopefully someday I'll get to return although not really a fan of some of the planned changes. Like many others I believe certain features should stay the same. If I ever travel back out there I'd probably return to Epcot since it's a bit more relaxed.
Rotating a Walt show with a Lincoln show is another example of the Imagineers being asleep at the wheel. There is enough extant audio/video of Walt discussing Lincoln his hero, Lincoln the attraction, animatronics, and the NY World's Fair that one attraction in which Walt introduces Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln writes itself. Walt would be tickled pink.
I am all for the Walt Disney animatronic. I feel like it does open up the ability for more people to know him. I also think that Walt would like it. Think about him seeing the Lincoln animatronic and how he loved it. I think he would be honored to see an animatronic of himself.
I’d argue that it’s a good thing that they named the food she consumed at Raglan Road. Although I imagine they’ve made significant changes since, good to get an idea of items like that on property that may still have nuts or dairy in them for those with severe allergies. I’m really shocked that not only a restaurant failed at this so terribly, but one on Disney property.
Agree with the family being against Walt - i think it is indicative that they are afraid that Walt WOULD NOT like the direction some parts of the company have gone. If there was an audio animatronic they can put words in his mouth. So, i disagree with Tom saying that they would NOT create new audio using existing sound to have him say things that he NEVER would have.
What if and hear me out… Disney was decent to their loyal customers? Between the death and the way they treat disabled people, may God have mercy on their souls.
Walt's animatronic is ghoulish and disrespectful. What happens when it malfunctions? You can honor him through film not a robot as his own granddaughter said. Unreal.
17:03 Fully agree with Tom here. I don’t know if someone’s already mentioned this here but there’s an infamous 2008 survey that made the (of course) jarring claim that out of 3,000 British teens polled, a fifth believed that Winston Churchill was a fictitious character. At that time, I was definitely in an echo chamber-working on a degree specifically in British WWII history, even personal friends with one of Churchill’s great grandchildren-and thought it completely impossible for that to even be a consideration. Then I moved to the UK 🙃. Alls I’m saying is this: Churchill only died a year before Disney and I’ve gotten to know *way* too many people in the past decade who think the names “Winston” or “Churchill” are famous solely due to a UK insurance company that uses a bulldog as its mascot. So…maybe a Walt animatronic isn’t the worst idea for the 70th 😬
I don't know about shill, but he really has gone from snarky to just mean over the last 6-8 months. He can have his opinions, but it's the comments about *our* opinions here in the comment sections that rubs me the wrong way.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 I remember when the hat box ghost went in, Tom was all about the theme because it was before the seance. However, Cars will absolutely destroy the theme in that area and he’s all for it. Look at Tiana’s ride, it is one hell of a downgrade, destroys the theme of the area and Tom supports the ride. Guess he has to stay in Disney’s good graces.
@@jerseyjoe5050 I really think he's wrong about Muppetvision 3d too, it definitely feels to us Muppet fans like it's heading to the chopping block, which is really quite depressing.
In every project imagineers undertake at Disney, there is an infusion of passion and respect for Walt Disney’s legacy. I personally believe that the decision to introduce the Walt animatronic is rooted in both honor of the Disney history and to anticipate the future needs of Disneyland. I believe this is part of a broader strategy to evolve the park.
I think the old wonders of life pavilion would be great as a Walt Disney show with Walts likeness. I think Disney one man dream should be moved to Epcot because Epcot as a concept was Walts dream. I think the Wonders of life pavilion should be the new home for One man's dream. It fits better in Epcot, because Walts passion was about tech later in his life.
Tom, you’re rocking a really cool shirt today. Not everyone will be ok with a Walt Disney animatronic. I’m surprised that they “went against the family”, but then again I don’t think that the Walt Disney family has been aligned with the company for a very long time - if ever.
