Being a 6' male with "normal" hands, I picked up the F series at the gun store, and it is very comfortable. The salesman liked the grip better than the regular PDP. Not for females only.
Good to know as I would have likely bought this, already owning a PDP compact, vs buying the P365 I bought last month along with changing out the grip & starting that new mag buying process 😐 Must say though the P365 with a Wilson Combat grip module feels great. I bought my wife an XDE for Christmas a couple years back but what a terrible trigger vs other guns we have.......thinking this gun will replace the XDE.
@@GBGuns I've been in contact with them......they no longer sell their trigger in the bag fix for it but will still work it if I send it to them. I'm on the fence a bit yet.....
Literally had the same experience lol the trigger was like taking the same pdp trigger and just removing the take up slack to the wall but an even better break ….
Yea its a bad marketing move to say F is female version. Held both and likely if looking for a gun, already have my 9mm so yea. Id pick the PDP F most likely. Think about it, many have moved to the Shield Plus, Walther CCP, SIG P365, Springfield Hellcat, and guess 43x with aftermarket magazines. Trend of all on the list is smaller grip for conceal. Meaning adapted to shooting them well. If needed add some grip tape.
I'm a 6ft2 man and my hands are large. The way the Walther PDP F-series comes out of the box fit my hand perfectly and it also has the ability for my wife who has much smaller hands to be able to hold and reach the trigger comfortably. Honestly it's a good pistol all the way around. The F stands for finally. A gun booth my wife and I can use together.
My sister-in-law tried many semi-autos, she finally decided on the M&P Shield EZ 9mm. Mainly because of the grip size and being easy to rack, she shoots it really accurately and it fits her smaller hands. This F series would be a great improvement, with the higher capacity.
My wife’s carry is the 380ez and it’s the smoothest shooting gun I’ve ever seen. If it didn’t have lousy 8 round mags I would carry it rather than literally any other gun. I love my PDP compact but it is a heavy brick still and I wear drawstring shorts a lot and it’s just to heavy for that
I picked this pistol up yesterday and shot it out in the desert here in Las Vegas. We have about the same size hands and I have to tell you… I’m in love. This and my PDP 4.0 are now my every day carry pistols
I’m 6’5”, 220 lbs, and wear XL gloves. Even with the standard grip, the F feels like a dream in my hand. It’s now my CCW. Fellas, DO NOT discount this pistol. Give it the grab test and see how it feels for you.
I actually just bought this version by mistake as my first handgun, I didn't notice it was the F series until I got it home. Got the 4 inch version though, still planning on getting the compact normal version in the future but the F series still feels good in my large hands.
I am 6 ft. + and have 2xl glove size hands. But smaller grips are actually more comfortable for me. So these guns will be well suited, even for people with large hands
I’m in the market for my first gun, and this video definitely helps me get an idea. I been looking at this gun due to my small stature, and I hear it’s easy to rack the slide. Racking a slide has always been an issue for me with lots of pistols.
I'm 6ft and tried one today at the store, and it felt pretty good. I'd like to try a larger backstrap to see how it feels, but I did generally like how the less rounded grip felt compared to my regular PDP. If I could do it over again, I think I'd do the 5" PDP for my full size option, and this one as a compact option. I would also put a DPT trigger with sprinco springs in this gun as well, as I much prefer it to the stock trigger now that I'm used to it.
This is my first time watching this channel. This is the most gentle feeling gun channel I've ever watched. I kinda like it. I would watch this in a mahogany study room with a fireplace and tea.
Welcome to the channel. Despite our pedigree (or maybe because of it) you won't find much try-hard bravado, flashy editing, or hype on here, wet test every gun the same and try to give real-person feedback.
Thanks, and sorry about that noise. We shoot at a range and can't control the background noise. Sometimes the gamers get a little wild in the other bays and we'll pause to get our of the raining spall and wait for them to reload to film or speak again.
I have an old injury to my trigger finger as well as arthritis in both hands. The first time I held the PDP F in my local gun store I couldn't believe how easily I could hold it. The trigger break was amazing and the short reset was equally amazing. I was comparing this pistol against the CZ P-01 and because of my injured trigger finger and the difference in size of the P-01, it was a reach to put my finger comfortably on the trigger. The PDP F is definitely on my Christmas list.
One of my favorite pistols by far. Fantastic German engineering and craftsmanship. God bless our European brothers and sisters 🙏 Thank you for sharing 🙏
I'm just sucking it up and have one of those 365 Rose kits on order. I like the whole concept and the 365-380 will be in my CCW rotation. I shot one last fall at a range and really enjoyed it. I still want a PDP-F, though.
Just want to say thanks for having a person with small hands give her impressions! Watched a lot of reviews on this pistol by many - all with big hands. I do wish I could have seen her use the mag release though. I own a Beretta PX4 which I really like. But with my small hands, I’m right at the limit for the DA trigger reach - and not even close to the mag release. (I have no idea what it must be like to drop a mag and not completely change your grip.) Thanks for all you do, and keep up the good work!!
Thank you. It may be a little slower, but have you tried using your support hand for the mag release? Kinda like the old-school 1911 slide release method.
Right on. If you have a problem with Lady smith laser engraved on a revolver or an F in the name in this case….the words or letters aren’t the problem. If it was my job to market the Waltherpdp f,Imightve gone with pdp s…but maybe not.?.thx again for k100 advice for 3+ years. Went round & round about which GP to get 1st. Guess what I came back around to???yep. BUT….the $ hasn’t changed hands yet. Have a good evening
Good review as always guys I think I want one of these I’m kind of a big guy with medium hands I carry a Glock 45 9 mm most of the time and a Kimber K6S but it looks like a pretty good gun I like Walther’s
I've seen Ms. Teya shoot a lot of handguns but it seemed (at least to me) that her groups are better with this smaller framed pistol. And sooner or later she's gonna get that spinner to go all the way around.
I’m a 5’ 11” male with medium to large hands and I absolutely want this pistol whether it’s made for a woman or not I am a Walther nut. As always you two did a fantastic job
I have the same size hands and use the medium blackstrap on a g19, 17, I can’t imagine how a gun designed for extra small hands would would fit you properly! And no, I’m not a nut whatsoever, have Sig, SW, Glock, Ruger, Taurus, and even revolvers. I’d have twice that manufacturer count if the wife let me divert some funds from our savings;)
Walther is a great weapon. I was a Glock guy for a long time. I was thinking about a CZ striker or a Walther PDP. I ended up finding a great PDP full size 4inch, and the gun is great , I shoot follow up shoots so much tighter than with any gun, the trigger on the Walther is so much better than the Glock. The Walther is like it was specifically engineered for me vs the Glock and it’s mass produced feel. My daughter loves my Walther. I am going to get one for my wife and daughter .
Great vid, thanks. Have seen a Walther vid where they said the slide serrations were more rounded off and another vid where they said it has a new updated optics cut but neither vid went into detail. Could y'all tell tell about these changes/updates?
I've owned several Walthers, and it's notable to me that they don't like steel-cased ammunition. I ran 900 rounds of Brown Bear 9mm through my original PPQ and it had maybe 20+ failures (which is a lot for a modern handgun). My second PPQ likewise was not a fan, and my PPS M2 also chokes on steel-cased ammunition, etc. While not a deal breaker for me (particularly now with the Russian ammo ban, and the lack of super-cheap 9mm steel cased ammo), it's something I definitely noticed.
The Walther PDP and PDP-F series are duty pistols and have more felt recoil when shooting it slow. On faster shooting drills the return to zero is absolutely amazing and one of the best pistols out of the box in this scenario. I own the F-Series 4 inch compact and its one of my favorite pistols to shoot. As a duty weapon Walther came spot on with what is actual wanted and needed on this pistol. Best serrations by far on a slide, excellent positive magazine release, fast return to zero (Aim point), and great ergonomics/grip. Optic ready and adjustable rear site. Quick take up to break point, short reset, and just an absolute beast of a pistol for shooting accurately at speed... Best recent purchase I've have made in the pistol market.
Would you recommend the 4" F series for CCW? The smaller 3.5" seems like the better choice but unsure I want to give up the better sight radius of the 4". Maybe a 3.5" CCW and a 4.5" PDP SD Pro for HD/comp is the way to go.
@@zorbaseatery4745 did you make a purchase? FWIW, I don’t think 1/2” in frame length is going to be a deal breaker for CCW since all other pistol dimensions are equal. I bought the 4” version three weeks ago and I’m switching to OWB. The Urban Carry Lock Leather and T.Rex Arms kydex holsters work pretty good and they’re comfortable. But concealability isn’t quite as discrete as I’d like it to be. I do love the pistol even more after installing Trijicon GL01 tritium sights on it. The trigger and ergonomics out of the box are just fantastic.
By what I saw in another video review, you are correct. When the other reviewer shot a quick mag dump, the gun pivoted in his hands, but instantly came right back down to zero, over and over again. It looked amazing.
I'm going to see how it feels when my local gun store gets one. I think it would be a good option for CC. I like using similar guns for CC when I'm switching between larger and smaller guns ie p320/P365XL, VP9/VP9SK etc. I think this would work well with my PDP Full Size with the compact slide. I've heard different things about putting a PDP slide on the F, some people say you can, others say you can't.
There was a limited run direct-milled slide for an optic (it's still on their home page); I called Walther and asked if it could be used on the 4" PDP-F and was told it couldn't. The best thing to do is call them and get it direct from the horse's mouth.
I had the water proofing goop in Remington golden saber 9mm 124 grain plus p case come out as a plastic like solid piece and pinch in a sig 226 and keep it from going into battery.
It's nice to see a "girl gun" that's actually designed for smaller hands without being an unwieldy little straight blowback 380 or the like. I mean there have been guns in that niche for a while but more options is always nice.
@@josephmandekich5209 I actually didn't realize the lcp was locked breech, that's good to know. But yeah, there's quite a few decent options, and this one can carry 15 rounds without a larger mag. I like the thought of more choice.
I’ve always bristled whenever I saw a gun marketed toward females, because they usually just rebadge an existing gun and then put pretty colors with sparkles ✨ 💖 and such on them. This looks like an honest effort!
That round issue you had may have came from those previous plus p rounds. Walther in their manuals say no plus p or plus p plus rounds. I have Walthers and they never had issues because I feed them only what’s recommended. Owned all types of guns and Walther is the best hands down IMO. Great video!
Fortunately the only real "new" about this is the grip. The guts of the gun have been proven for over ten years as the PDP line is essentially a refresh of the PPQ line. Aesthetics have changed, but not much else.
I have relatively large hands. Although I shoot certain single stack 9s very well. I have tried the PDP F from the rental fleet at the local range a couple of times and it does feel good in the hands, but when shooting it doesn't seem as pleasant. Length of pull is weird and my trigger finger has to adjust in order to not pull shots. I am gonna get a regular PDP in compact version instead. I did however just run another hundred rounds through the PDP F again today and it is kinda starting to grow on me. Probably have about 300 rounds through their sample now. My grouping with it is certainly getting better. Might have to consider one at some point.
💖👍🙏 Fantastic video, love hearing both of your opinions. For me as a female, Teya's especially. (Man, that trigger seems fantastic.) Will you review the 4" version, too or is that redundant? Why did you say using Winchester White Box was a disadvantage? I only have a couple FMJ boxes and a couple of JHP. Just wondering...
We may review a 4" if we get pur hands one one. Winchester White Box is fairly low grade and can be inconsistent, I've even found the wrong projectile in one. It's a disadvantage because a weak load may make the gun malfunction when it's not the gun's fault. It's fine as practice ammo, maybe even good because of the higher chance of a malfunction.
@@stephanie_beth Thank you. Ammo can be very different brand to brand and line to line. We try to use at least 11 loads in our tests not just to see how a particular gun runs with it, but also to get to know the ammo so we can inform you all about it.
Looks really good. Have you compared this to the P365XL type or size guns. I am genuinely curious for my wife. We are looking at the Ruger Max9 & the P365XL to replace her Shield 45 possibly this year. I am extremely impressed with the PDP but it is a bit big for her to carry. Well done. I really appreciate this vid. Thank you.
Flinching isn't bad on a dead round or empty chamber. If timed correctly with the right amount of pressure will help control recoil and keep on target.
Great video. Thanks from Mallorca (Spain) What's your feeling about accuracy on F-series 4" shooting at 25yds? My wife has very small hands and short fingers but she need to shoot at a maximum distance of 20-25yds with good precision. She is currently shooting on IPSC competition with CZ Shadow 2 - like me - but the grip is too big for her so her grip is weak and forced. I am thinking on buying this F-series 4" for her but in Spain we can't check or test the pistol before the purchase and all the people is telling us that she will suffer with only a 4" barrel at 25yds. Thanks in advance for your help
I think it not running a out of spec round a benefit as I would prefer to know the action is locked up when a bad round goes off. I'd forgive the round if it smelled like apple pie. Better luck on the spinner target Teya and I still think Graham is cheating when it falls over. Great review both of you!
In general, the lighter the gun and shorter the barrel the more recoil you'll feel. Folks want short and light for carry. That's the trade off. You can mitigate some through ammo selection, but only a little bit.
@@tri3pleagent Not from what I've seen,but speaking from more an outdoor perspective.A dependable,simple,small as possible,and four inch barreled ten millimeter has been a dream since the Glock 20 came out.Hikers,hunters,trail runners,mountain bikers,and fisherman.Not everybody's concern has just two legs.
@@t2brfu67 trust and believe...if there was real demand for 10 mm, there would be more guns and more ammo available. The demand for 10mm is not great enough for manufacturers to 10 mm in mass production.
@@donovanchilton5817 Definitely not,wouldn't buy a S&W made after the mid-seventies if I was payed to do so,especially currently.S&W now sells dangerous and faulty products which they do not stand behind.
They look so thick though. I want to see one in person to see how tall and thick they are. Idk if it would be small enough for conceal carry. Edit: found specs Specs Caliber: 9mm Width: 1.26” Length: 7.25” Barrel Length: 4.00” also 3.5” Height: 5.4” Weight: 24 oz Capacity: 15+1 That’s fairly big. Bigger than a 365xl and a M&P 2.0 compact.
What I miss in reviews is the slide racking force metering. I am OK with any slide, but my wifie has a finger issue. For example, she has failed to rack a Q4 SF slide at least once. I tried Sig Sauer P365 380. Well, its slide rack is lighter, but… the mag release for some weird reason is more stiff than a 9 mm one. Still looking for a gun with lighter controls and slide AVAILABLE in Lithuania. One of a gun shops promised PDP F to appear at some point, but not yet available. Thus, your videos ARE a source of information.
Graham Hello, my best wishes always and super satisfied with all your honest reviews .. always informative and honest . We all here will love to hear you opinion or experience with the new Walther PDP PRO. Just want to confirm an honest opinion about this gun and the new this new trigger . I have the PPQ Q4TAC and will like to know if it’s justify to take a serious look at this new PRO . All will depend if it’s a huge difference in accuracy and performance over PPQ Q4TAC and my Walther’s PDP 5 inches full and 4 compact . Thanks ... again
I talked to Cody @Walther when the PPQsc was release about how I felt you needed to slam the magazine to get it to catch when loaded +1. His answer was yes, that's right. Sounds like the same here. I have been asking about the PDPsc release date since the inception of the new model. I guess the answer is it will never be released. PS on the nickel (or zinc) plated steel cased ammo. It seems to cause more problems than regular steel.
We've encountered two issues with it, both were loading errors at the factory. That's about on par with what we've seen from the major manufacturers as they've all been turning up the speed to meet demand.
You didn't discuss whether the additional grip panel was larger or smaller, that's pretty important with this gun, otherwise you make very good videos.
Grip panels are shown in the tabletop video, and you're right, it is important. RU-vid won't let us show how to swap anymore, but we show the difference they make.
what would you say is a good round for training for this gun and what would you say is a good home defense round for this weapon? Also, you mentioned that the +p rounds are not necessary for the gun in the last video. Would you still say that is the case? I bought the 3.5 inch f series. I want to know which rounds would be better for the health of the gun. Also is there any issue with the barrel being shorter than 4 inches? Perhaps I should have bought the 4 inch f series instead
Most ammo (but not all) is designed for a 4" barrel. The risk with shorter barrels is that a hollow point might not get the speed it needs to perform properly from a sub-4" barrel. You should be fine with most of the ammo available today, I don't think +P is necessary. If you're concerned get defensive ammo labeled and designed for compact guns. For range you'll be fine with most any ammo.
@@GBGuns Thanks. Would you say that the 3.5” would have a tendency to be less reliable (based on your comment on hallow points)? I have to wait a few days before I can pick it up (per state law) but I already bought it as my first gun. I guess I just feel a bit anxious that I may have made an uninformed choice
No reliability issues at all. The ammo thing is just for "as intended" results with hollow points. Millions carry 3" guns, they just are less effective. It's better to have a gun you can carry than no gun at all. If you'd like to learn more about +P ammunition I wrote an article about it on GBGunsDepot.com
HK doesn't go with trends, usually the models made are just contract pistols released to the public. So unless a government or police requests them to make one it won't happen.
Maybe some pointy-headed marketing guy told them the micro-9 wave has crested. I don't think so. And its not just the guns. I see the larger size used Trijicon, Vortex, Leupold etc. sights going for cheaper than before. People are interested in the RMSC footprint for an optic.
Is there are perceivable difference in recoil between the F series and the regular PDP? The F series is supposed to have a different recoil spring and I wondered if this changed how recoil is felt.
We didn't shoot them die by side to compare as it wouldn't be a fair comparison. The F Series we have is a 3.5" while the shortest PDP we have is a 4".
The one not feeding could be a feed ramp situation. Both my Shield Plus have feed issue on longer hollow point rounds. I will be grinding in a channel starting at the shiny copper spot. Many times its a simple fix.
All 3, the Full, Compact, and F-Series ft my Lg/ExLg glove size hands perfectly 👍👍👍 Shame you have to record next to a noisy range. Very distracting and Tia can't get her words out. Ruins a good review. Update. Sold my Series F because the grip was too small for my XL glove size hands. It really is for smaller size hands.⚖️☮️🗽🇺🇲✌️
On average, a man’s hand has more mass. Bigger bones, more muscle and more connective tissue - which all helps in mitigating recoil to an extent that females feel shots more acutely, than men do. Complicated by smaller hands and shorter fingers making proper hand and trigger finger placement difficult or impossible. Walther should be commended on their attention to this problem and for their offer of a solution!
@@ms_freemant you could very well be right but it somehow seems worse. I would think that, among the six other PDPs available, surely most guys can find something to their liking and if the PDP-F is still the pistol of choice, what's the big deal?
Hey your making a big deal about how to adjust your grip trigger finger what ever. A sig 365 , hell cat are small no big deal . I have a Walther PPS 9mm first gen and it a tac driver. It’s also very small in the hand.
There’s no such thing as ‘the perfect gun’. It’s what suits the individual that matters. Male or female. If you ever have to draw a gun to protect yourself all that matters is that it goes bang and hits the target. The small differences between guns in the same series is almost irrelevant.
@@GBGuns I PDP f versus the PDP compact have the same trigger reach and the same circumference measurement. What is the main difference in the two grips and what do you feel is the difference with the extra half inch length with the compact versus the F series?
@@believe722 photos of the non-F-Series PDPs, including the Compacts, all seem to indicate similar length of reach when compared to each other. Walther's specs for the Compacts both show 5.8" grip circumference with the medium backstrap, as opposed to 5.5" for the F-Series. The reach on the F-Series pistols looks markedly shorter, probably because the specs indicate that it's 2.56" as opposed to the Compacts' 2.76" and 2.8" (5" vs. Pro SD).
How's the recoil compared to the CCP M2 9mm? I've shot the CCP with no hand and wrist pain so far. Haven't shot more than 60 or 70 rounds at a time tho. In comparison a Glock 19, I think it was anyway never checked. It was a Glock and gave me significant wrist pain the next day after one full mag. One of my shooting hand fingers was broken, never had it fixed, also hurt for a day. The Glock ammo was Remmington. The CCP was garbage Aguila 115 grain. Horrible ammo for the CCP btw.
The CCP is a softer shooter than most Browning-action pistols. The saving grace on the PDP F might be that it's broader and so distributes recoil across more surface area.
@@GBGuns Thanks for the reply. I asked a rep from Walther to compare the CCP and the F. He just said there's no comparison on recoil and ease of slide operation. They are 2 different platforms. No, really? He obviously knows nothing about Walther guns. Don't they make instruments that measure every aspect of a pistol? I recently saw a trigger pound tester used by someone on RU-vid. I know you can tell the difference in recoil because you tested different ammo w/ the F. I tried 124 grain Magtech in the CCP and I noticed more recoil. I guess I'll have to buy an F and return it if it hurts my hand.
