Part of the problem you mentioned with the game engine is something the software engineer community calls "Scope Creep", essentially you program things with a set goal in mind. and unless you make the code modular enough in the beginning it becomes harder to add new things without problems arising. Also no matter how modular you make code at some point you will run into scope creep. Think of it like building a car, you make the frame and put a engine into it and then make the rest of the body, well if you want to add wings to it the frame might not be able to handle that, well your boss said add wings to the car so now you have to hack in a way for the car to have wings. I guess for war thunder it would be backwards because it started as a plane game.
You said it better than me. That last bit is what some of my points are about. Is that they say just fucking get it done and it’s killing the game in the process. Idc if the game has the highest player numbers an income ever. Its not going to hold once some major world issues end. Again Covid is a big reason.
I always thought it started as a tank game that had planes (to compete with World of Tanks for example). Activision has somehow managed to Macgyver their engine.
Do you think that original 1952 cutoff date was because they knew the engine and networking couldn't handle BVR radars and all this modern tech? I feel like Gaijin's management originally had a clear vision for their game based on their technical limitations that faded over time.
This has happened on EVE online, the code is so old now they can’t add new stuff without problems and lines of broken code. They removed walking in space stations as it broke the code even more when they added it.
I have been playing since 2014 and back then I was expecting a lot from this game. Now its just a mess. Biggest problems for me is map design and br style balancing. Maps are either tiny arcade city maps or big maps without protected spawn point. I would also hope to seperate ww2 from cold war. Vehicles would fight vehicles that they historically were fighting.
"Warthunder is alive and dead at the same time" Spot on. I'm an air ab player, and to be honest, it's not been much fun for years. I literally only play the game because of the guys in my squadron. Since Gaijin stopped ab squadron battles, our squadron has really struggled. If there were a serious free competitor to warthunder, I'd go and play it instantly.
Even if it was paid competitor I would play it. But really we need another game like wt. Not only too play it and annoy gajin but to create competition that will force gajin to ( I can't believe I said that) ,, repair the game,,
In the times we live, I see a pattern though... We get a competitor, they get our money/hype, they show their true face as another sterile PC/Corporate cvnt, an almost universal common thing these days. As an example, Armored Warfare did World of Tanks miles better, but of course the obvious happened and it died falling short of its potential. We get baited to start anew and the cycle starts all over with the consoomer zombies seeping in feeding the greed and compliance, nothing changes. I am getting real jaded with the way of things. I just want to go back and have an alternate reality branch off instead being a burnt wick in the face of a unfriendly night locked into the very bad end.
I’ve been seeing so many of these types of videos lately and as a veteran of 4 years I can see how the game is slowly but steadily dying… I have made my last financial spending a couple months ago because it’s just not worth it to spend money on a game that will (probably) die soon.
I was very surprised you didn't mention Sea Power: Naval Combat in the Missile Age among the naval games. It's from some of the people who used to work for Killerfish to make Cold Waters. It's probably the best upcoming naval warfare game to look forward to later this year. It's basically Jane's Fleet Command with modern graphics.
Ill look into it, if you want to gauge my interest or knowledge of Naval combat games BattleStations Pacific has been the last major naval game ive played since WoWs
@@SteelxWolf Triassic Games said on the MicroProse Discord that Sea Power's formation controls are patterned on Battlestations Pacific, so you quickly adjust to them once you figure out that game's specific controls.
The pain that I experienced from either war thunder or world of tanks is that they both have common issues this hurts cus I truly like the genre, I left wot because the balancing/powercreep and russian meta made me as a german main hate it. Now with warthunder I finally got to the leopard 1 to immediately notice that from now on I am either forced to focus each and every game so that I play in the top 3 and thus making it a chore or to get premium/talisman/premium tank to get a decent amount of income/research to progress and still play and have fun. I really want to invest in WT cus the tanks appeal to me but like wot, investing only makes it so wt can keep on doing the same rinse and repeat unpunished.
For some reason, gaijin does not seem to understand, that the casual playerbase is the foundation of the dedicated playerbase. If the lowtiers are depopulaterd, and if the grind and balance forces you to pay to play, the casuals leave. It is the casuals that recruit new casuals, it is very rarely the dedicated. So first you must make casuals happy, and want to stick around. Why are the casuals important? Dedicated players pay Gaijin good money, but it is casual players that turn into dedicated players, not new recruits. So: create balance and environment that makes casual players happy, and you have a growing FTPMMOG, Create an environment where they're not, and you're looking at diminishing returns, no matter how may schemes your marketing department comes up with to make players pay.
My problem with War Thunder is that it just gets so boring so fast. They’ve spent all their development time on introducing more ways for people to spend money and little to none on developing game modes. Like, maybe I wouldn’t mind grinding if I wasn’t flying the same exact mission over and over and over again. Maybe I’d feel inclined to open my wallet if the game modes didn’t get so old and boring so fast.
At this point I only play Air RB like I used to... I have maxed out 4 trees in ground forces but tanks dissapearing, ghost shells THE ABSOLULT GARBAGE armor models make it like a RNG casino game where its random if you can pen a mud shield with and ATGM... (yes that happened)
honestly i've been playing for free at lower BRs and been having a lot of fun lol. i only play it as a side game when i'm bored of grinding ranked on my main games. that's why i think you can get the most enjoyment out of this game by playing casually, especially if the devs are as shitty as you explained in this video.
There is nothing wrong with the engine, they just choose to make tanks slip on hills to not have to remake the maps since that takes more money than it makes. After that most problems are servers being overloaded since they cost a lot of money to maintain which they apparently don't have/want to spend.
"WAR THUNDER NEEDS TO BE REBUILT" Well, I would like to shout this into the ears of developers and (game) retailers every morning. Maybe that way they could finally be persuaded. This sentence is so true, like on Earth gravity works and humans will always be insatiable and greedy.
>grind through modules on vehicle to upgrade vehicle >get punked by a higher br vehicle >grind to unlock higher br vehicle >get punked while grinding modules on next vehicle Incredibly miserable
>Get highest vehicle >Get punked by helicopters >Get helicopters >Get punked by airplanes >Get airplane >Eventually gets nerfed bc it was a premium >Get punked by new expensive premium
@@lulzalfest Nobody forces you to sell them. In fact, selling vehicles only makes it harder to progress because you're losing income. Only clueless noobs do that.
And when you finally get a fair match....you get stomped to death by all the pay to win shit, like 100% leveled crews who make a vehicle perform like it's on a whole different level.And players who keep spawning in the same vehicle over and over and over. But this dude's only problem is that he has less FPS....
@@zyzzbrah9692 People already just use all of their fighters and leave. If they want to encourage multi-role players like that, they'd have to improve the survivability of bombers and make the hanger unlimited so you can have that many vehicles
I desperately want to believe that war thunder will get better, I know that it's only going to get worse as time drags on. I've been playing for almost 7 years now and it's been such a part of my life and friendships that I don't want it do go down the drain, but it seems like it's been slipping further and further. With so many youtubers advertising it and bringing in new players, some of whom will spend 60USD on premiums, Gaijen has no reason to actually improve the core game instead of adding more and more top tier premiums. While I can understand why they don't 100% listen to the community, seeing how divided and messy it can be when it comes to suggestions, the most recent round of BR changes according to their "statistics" feel like they don't even listen 1%, let alone play their own game. I hope that some day, we get a competitor or people leave the game en masse so that Gaijen is forced to get their shit together but I don't feel like that's going to happen any time soon, if ever. But as long as this ship keeps on sinking, I'm just gonna keep playing some 10.7 air RB with the Draken and having fun tbh.
Just know that if the game would go down, nothing goes 'down the drain'! I know what you mean but still, all the memories and connection you made are still there even if the game ain't :) just spreading some positive thoughts here
No other game do I despise yet love at the same time. Any other game that pisses me off as much as this one does I’d sell or never play again. But I keep coming back to war thunder. Imagine how good this game could be that’s the frustrating thing…… yet they keep making it worse not better.
tbh at this point the only way they would listen is if we, as a community, stopped playing for tot days, like a strike. so they either listen or loose money
@@sch1ck That's probably for a couple of reasons. One it is fun despite the issues. But in my case, I have (over the time it was released) over 1100 in the game. To put that in perspective that's not even 1 good meal a month for the duration of the game. But it still makes it hard to just walk away from.
@@ln6964 How is this game hard to walk away from? If the devs dont respect the players its easy to quit. I value my time and money and actually understand that the devs NEED ME to play the game, i dont need them. Especially when they use psychological tactics and make the game actively worse to make you spend money. But i guess players like you are the ideal playerbase for Gaijin.
Pretty much a TL;DR Gaijin are focusing on monetization, not fixing the bugs or queues. Gaijin are milking the money cow dry with War Thunder, and are about to fall. The bug fix team is being rushed to fix the bugs they find, and, doing so, they leave some of them unfinished because Gaijin managers are forcing (and stressing) them to fix it quickly. The bug fix team cannot keep up with the amount of (useless) content being put out by Gaijin. Players will be loyal to War Thunder, but very few will stay around to play it. Rebuilding War Thunder and focusing on the GAME, not MONEY would make War Thunder more playable. Locking people behind an pay wall isn't good. Tanks have to be actual tanks, not random targets for planes or heavy tanks. Ships need a rebuild, and aviation is needing an update toward the mechanics, not pumping out 100+ $60 dollar jets. Please, Gaijin, FIX YOUR GAME. The reviews on the page aren't helping either. Constant swearing or utter bullshit is making Gaijin devs turn away from it, because they have to dig through 100 negative comments filled with insults to find that ONE good comment that has actual feedback. Imagine doing that as your job, everyday... Edit: - Gaijin are rushing the bug fix and dev teams to fix critical bugs, while they end up pumping out more useless content. With that content, comes more bugs. Do you see the pattern? Fix as many bugs as they can, pump out content, get double the bugs, rinse and repeat. Mismanagement is also a big factor in War Thunder. Of course, the devs have to make money to keep their company afloat, but to treat your players like this is UNACCEPTABLE. - Everything I said here is very ROUGH, in terms of actually explaining it. Watch the video for a 100% more polished version.
@@pirate42069 there is, US or in this situation Wargaming. Sure wot is not perfect, but I don't see it colapsing anytime soon. Maybe wot blitz ( basicly casino blitz) but not wot pc
@@racingraptor4758 WoT isn't really a competitor to WT . The combat is pretty different, it's like saying Call of Duty and Destiny 2 are the same genre
New players are the ones coming in with the cash (IMHO) so existing players not spending any more won't really slow Gaijin down, just validate them ignoring the "older hands" and keep enticing newer players with shiny graphics, and new models..
@@Lucky_MiTo. right like it's a free game why would get a whole game for free w over 1500 vehicles to get if I play, why would I spend 60 bucks for 1 more vehicle 😂 shits ridiculous
the only problem i have with this game is the fucking grind. so many times have i just stopped playing for a year because i couldnt unlock a single tank within many months of playing everyday
Grind isn't bad, buy one premium for each nation and ur fine. The balancing is totally fucked. After the "grind" ppl complain about you get fucked in whatever Vic you drive.
I feel the same and honestly even tho Gaijin said they removed the RP cap I still feel like that it is there. When you lose in GFAB you barely get 1,2K RP even when you did well and when you win you barely get 2,5K, again even tho you did well. It's like they actually didn't remove it but rather just increased the income just a little bit for F2P players. If you have premium account then it's another story and combine premium account with premium tank it feels like you can grind one pricy tank in one day! It just makes me feel depressed after a match seeing that "Yay! You barely got 2,5K RP from this match! Only 217,500 RP left to get that new shiny tank!" and even more depressed seeing getting under or barely 1,2K RP. It makes you realize how god damn many matches you still have to play to get that ONE damn vehicle! Not to mention how many "Get Gaijined" moments you also have to suffer through to get that vehicle.
War Thunder is experiencing the same things as the Soviet Union: a terrible economy, leaders ignore people’s opinions and collapse from within. (Thank you for using the early classical music, it is really touching and reminds me of the past...)
TBH community is 3x frustrated , there are some issues who were raported on mass even in 2006 who were not even fixed or adressed by now , thn you have game who set to frustrate you to spend money and then you have company itself who deflects any criticism and bases all decisions on "their statistics" if statistics of last 4 years who told you anything , about capitol raid , elections , trump and pandemic is that statistics lie to you unless you got knowledge to analyse it and by this point i dont believe gajin can person who analyses it would have to play said game and i dont think they do , they just lookj at data and be like "this vehicle overperforms , lets make it 3x more expensive" meanwhile vehicle was crap and oinly overperformed because people exploit simulator battles private lobbies(who been problem since forever and its still not addressed) then you have cheater problem who is very common but any public data is DMCEd by gajin as person who played warthunder for long i could make post longer but its not going to change anything i quit 3 years ago and you should too , lots only game i ever played who i feel it wasted my time devs lie to you and game lie to you , they sell you ilusion that its fun.
Why do politics have to be interjected? Like guys it’s a game company making shitty decisions, comparing it to political issues is just hyperbole And I’m talking about these comments and just the community sometimes. Yeah, we’re fucked
@@pawhunter340 it's the command menu for wt you have your fire extinguisher there gunners main guns water ingress and crew world of ships is just a simple command menu
I've played both and War Thunder is just more complexed. They've tried copying Battle Stations repairing priority whether it's Fire, Flooding or Repairs.
At this point after 8 years. I guess anton just doesn't give a fuck about the game anymore. What he want is money and his employees sure get that job done. Funny how back in 2013 he claimed: "We're not the greedy bastards here." - Anton Yudintsev
Give them a reason to stop adding payed content then. If you keep shoveling piles of cash in their laps they would be stupid to not take it. Game developers ONLY make games to make money...its their career and they payed money to go to school to do it. I have 3 game dev friends, 1 professor an two entering the field, an they told me this truth while speaking with them. They aren't greedy, its literally their 9-5.
I created my account in 2013, when it was only ww2 and early aircraft, those were really good days where no pay to win seemed to happen or no unbalanced uptiers would appear
@@ascorbic123 Back then it at least could have been balanced. Look at the tech tree now and tell me how you want to do that. Especially the jump to 6.7 upwards is absolutely fucked.
War thunder used to be my absolute favorite game in the world. I loved it from the first moment I played it during the open beta up until a couple of years ago. I have thus far in my life invested almost 4000 hours into this game and I wouldn't even want to begin to calculate how much money I've thrown at it. So what was it that killed the game for me? Well in simple terms it was the continued push into modern vehicles combined with the excessive grind necessary to unlock high tier vehicles and modules combined with never ending release of broken premiums with nonsense battle ratings, pluss also the addition of newer nations with cold war vehicles fighting ww2 vehicles. I think it was around about the time when they added the French when my enjoyment of the game started declining, though it was round about the time when they added the swedish tech tree that I dropped the game. It's just not fun to play around in your panzer 3 or Sherman or T-34 when on the opposite side you have some vehicle from the 1950s or 60s that is faster than yours and fires ammunition that completely ignores you armor. What's the point in playing an IS-2 or King Tiger if you are just gonna get sniped by some wheeled tank destroyer that one shots you with HEATFS as soon as you leave spawn almost? I got into war thunder because it was a great game that brought all my favorite ww2 vehicles to life in a far more convincing and enjoyable way than I had ever known before, but those days are sadly long long gone now. RIP war thunder, you will be sorely missed.
I completely agree with you man. I have 500 hours in this game. The grind is absolutely abhorred. I started the German tank tree hoping to get to the leopards. It took me 1 fucking year to get to the leopard 1. I cant believe it took me that long. This game has a absolutely incredible potential. But I share your feelings on how at this rate war thunder will have absolutely no future in maybe a couple more updates. Its a real shame that a game with such potential is ruined with no hope for improvement because of a lack of competition. It truly saddens me that this game is no longer fun.
Gaijin can call themselves really, really lucky that there simply isn't a single game out there, as of now, which is comparable to War Thunder. If there were to be a competitor, doing things just slightly different, man, it would be comparable to winning the lottery. Finally they'd be forced to outplay each other to offer the better game. Good for the consumer And no, to me, World of (Tanks/Ships etc), Armored Warfare, DCS and such are no where near the War Thunder experience
I would definitely say DCS is a better over-all experience, but It's not as good in the sense of paying for modules and being literally FORCED to play with hotas.
@@logantheblonde3935 well dcs is more of a Sim with some video game mechanics while warthunder is a game with some sim mechanics. DCS has its own issues but the amount of detail in it and how much the devs really seem to care makes me happy that DCS is growing. Warthunder would be a good game without the unnecessary long grind for each nation and the horrible servers and op premium stuff
I’ve been playing war thunder for 2014 and looking how this game has evolved it really saddens me to see such a beautiful game slowly die. I won’t be surprised if gaijin decided to go even further in jets to add a premium F-15s, MiG-29s or even YF-23 with their AIM-120s. I’ll still be playing this game until the very end to see how it will die and say my final farewell.
@@joseffrolik8799 I remember when the it1 first was in the game and my God was it broken to shit for like months 7.0 was absolutely ass back all the atgms were op as fuck and it took them months to fix
My experience was: 1. New Power: nice New graphics but glichy, hopfuly gets better soon 2. "Hot Trash": ah yes they fixed some Bugs but somehow made it even worse.... 3. BR CHANGES DROPS: Well....what a burning shitfest it now become
We didn't boycott but we've deff opened our mouths enough to where giajin if interested would be able to hear what we're saying....it stems from a no competition atmosphere, WT has no competition against it to want to make the game any more than it is so why would they need to listen to us...
You can’t say it’s the players fault for playing the game. The responsibility is on gaijin because they’re the fucking owners and should be expected to make the proper decisions
War Thunder's biggest glaring problem above all else, is the grind. If they HALVED the SL and RP cost of every single vehicle above 4.0 BR, the game would be a hell of a lot more accessible, and have a flow of new players at top tier; because top tier is very stagnant with the same players doing the same toxic shit game after game; and I can't blame the new guys for not grinding their way up. I couldn't imagine grinding my way up the American tech tree right now. It would be years to get the M1A2.
What sucks about WT is how absolutely brutal the grind is to new players, they keep adding more and more top teir modern stuff and advertise based on them, but its nearly impossible to get to them in a reasonable time due to how the grind system works, needing to both research and buy a bunch of things you don't want in order to progress down a wanted line. I tried to get into WT a year or two ago and still play occasionally, but it feels like I missed the boat or got on too late and will forever be playing catchup, especially trying to be a F2P as it seems even with premium and premium vehicles it will still be a massive grind. Its sad the WT as well as World of Tanks and Warships are all going downhill, mostly it seems because there is zero competition for the neiches they inhabit so there really is no incentive to change for the better. People are locked in and will keep playing an paying because there's no option to play something else
Amazing work, although you should repost this video with someone speaking russian so perhaps someone at gaijin will learn about it. The english speaking community might as well be shouting at a deaf wall for the past 8 years imo
Here in Russia many players believe that gaijin only listens to english-speaking community, and many of negative change are here because of "western players". I guess gaijin just listens to nobody
@@michaelc9155 huh, i haven't been on the russian forums but i know the spanish ones barely even see their moderators. Also i meant the devs have been toxic since day one.
I got to the shermans, half way through to rank 3 (needing 3 more vehicles) and just quit. I can’t be assed to grind out 11,000 experience again when I don’t have premium nor want to give a company money when they’ll just screw me over anyways
I'm noticing more and more content creators play wt less or just leaving all together. Too bad Gaijin doesn't care. They make their money off new players these days
How are they even keeping new players long enough for them to spend money? The GUI is awful and the amount of seal clubbers in pziis and the like would make most people give up if they were looking for a tank game.
@@Sundorwave I put about 24 hrs worth of time into this game last year, just to try it out. There's a core of a good game there but the whackadoodle matchmaking systems, balancing, and inconsistent nature of some of the gameplay put me off, more so than the grinding.
A common, yet grave, misconception is this belief that "competition is good". Competition in this sector has shown to only bring clone after clone after clone of an original, relatively more successful title (think Minecraft, Com and Con, CoD, or the first Doom), corners being cut left and right, as well as a general race to the bottom to churn out anything as fast as possible for key sales/pr moments (holidays or conventions, typically). The core problem is in reality the complete anarchy of production of the sector in general, and the dominant actors taking advantage of it with shady labour practices and by squeezing out customers' hard earned money via deceitful promises.
I'd put this rather simply, if ANY game comes along that is even remotely similar to War thunder and the name of it is spread around, Warthunder will be dead, it will be the immediate end of the line for Gaijin considering it's probably their largest money maker. Players are desperate for anything else and no one actually enjoys playing it ( I can only assume ofcourse as I can only speak for myself and the occasional comment during matches ) I quit recently to go do better things which mainly consists of playing completely open sandbox games and fucking around and sometimes finding out. I recommend going out and maybe buying actual games or investing in other things to find something to do that isnt warthunder.
There´s an indie game in development called GHPC (Gunner Heat PC) that, if finished, will be a serious competition for War Thunder. I recommend check some gameplays in YT!
Just get DCS. The devs actually give a shit about their game and don't charge insane prices for models that are 1000000% more detailed, and not buggy. Even if some features are missing on a current module, Eagle Dynamics will update them and guess what - you don't have to buy anything more than once!
@RealMCB legends actually broke this cycle I feel they just tested carriers and they were surprisingly underpowered I actually enjoy wot they recent update brought the HUD back to what it was arty might be alittle op tho
I bought my last premium vehicle in December last year, never going to financially support this company again, ever. Unless they turn the table 180 degrees of course. Great video!
Honestly, a good way to see how your company and product is doing is to look at the online community's perspective of it. If people are praising it and are generally positive about it, keep doing whatever you were doing already. However, if people are complaining and making memes about how crappy your company is all the time, or how there's been nothing new for too long, you should probably do something about that... If people are complaining about how new vehicles are broken, stop adding new vehicles and focus on fixing the ones you have already. If people are complaining about the lack of game modes, try to add something new to the mix.
See they see the memes and perpetuate them they take terms like derpy russian bias and any and all terms out there and are ok with it becuase like it's been said there's no compition
I've never spent a dime on this game, and I've been playing it for 2 years I play it because I'm having fun, but not enough fun to give them anything more then my time
The cashgrab is so blatant it's ridiculous. The high rank premiums, the copy-paste tech trees, the fact that Gaijin completely neglects content they added literal days ago and instead rely on their "automated BR system" to try and "balance" their game. I played Warthunder since 2013 and I remember when they overhauled the progression system (added research points) and everyone hated it. Well I'm sure no one would mind going back to those days instead of having to put up with the massive grind of today's Warthunder. Warthunder just doesn't work with its current late-game content. Warthunder was originally just a WWII game and only had to balance about 20 years of history and technological advancements. By now Gaijin has slapped on the entire history of vehicular warfare since WWII on top of it and tries to balance it the same way, only adding about 6 BR's worth of room for about 50 years of rapidly improving technology. We're talking super-sonic flight, radar-guided and heat-seeking weaponry and composite and reactive armour to name a few things. To add insult to injury, Warthunder makes unlocking these vehicles near-impossible and as a result this game just doesn't have the player base needed to fill high rank matches without compressing BR's or making the matchmaking times unbearably long, making the already hard-to-balance content even less balanced. It just doesn't work, none of this shit does. I stay away from high rank matches because I don't want my Me-262 to get matched against a fucking F-4 Phantom or some shit. Imagine in a few years of lifeless grinding you finally have one of the million MiG-21's unlocked, only for Gaijin to add the F-35 Lighting and matching it against your Cold War shitbox. So what do I do? I exclusively play WWII content, mainly BR 2.3 to 4.7. This is fun, except when Gaijin adds a completely unnecessary aircraft like the Me-264 and doesn't even try to balance it whatsoever. The only fun thing left to do is Air Simulator battles in just two BR brackets, but at this point why wouldn't I just play IL-2? Basically if I was the person wanting to try a T-80 or M-1 Abrams and had no interest in WWII vehicles, I would look for a different game. Warthunder works if you're the kind of person who wants to try most, if not all of the vehicles and nations, but unfortunately most of the people playing this game just aren't that person. The concept of mixing air, ground and naval battles might work on paper, but clearly Gaijin can't do it. Deploying an aircraft in a ground or naval battle is just a novelty and mixing the three modes just can't be done at all. (The best effort Gaijin ever made was the World War events, but if you ever played those well... you know what I'm talking about.) In my opinion Warthunder failed as a game and I can't see Gaijin fixing this mess ever. I feel like this game will never be "finished"; Gaijin will always find a new vehicle to add, may it be a newer vehicle (some of these tanks were built later than my car) or some paper-plane wunderwaffen UFO no one asked for. This ever expanding assortment of content is growing harder than the amount of people playing this game (if this number is even increasing at all) and at some point there won't be enough people to fill a match, because there are now BR 14.7 vehicles deployed in the Afghan war and there are people waiting in 2 trillion different queues all trying to play a different era/nation/game mode. It can't work.
There is SO many other topics I could go into. Nationalistic favors of ones nation aka the "suffering" topic is another issue but I think I ragged on the community enough in this to make my point. Also I encourage you to share this to as many people as possible. Ive spent the last week scripting, recording and editing. Id like to make it worthwhile.
@@imwilllliwmi thats how i felt with the centurions and the fv4202 when they were at 6.3 and 6.7. I havent played them since they went to 7.0 and higher.
Nationalism definitely plays a huge part in the problems. I can still remember how adamantly some people fought to justify the most broken shit like the Lorraine 40T regularly fighting 5.7's, or the British having STABs at 6.3, and even Ka-50's when they could spawn with ATGMs off the bat with no ADATS at that time to counter it. It's astounding to see the hoops people jump through to try and justify shit like that. And with how the in-game economy is set up, it's dog eat dog, so people just gladly abuse the shit out of the "flavor of the month(s)" every time. Every time, they fall for the same trap over and over again. Shiny, overpowered new toy, 'it's (insert a Big 4 nation here) turn this time so come play game comrade, buy eagles comrade." And then they do and the cycle repeats itself. Two years ago I remember the same shit happening with Abrams spam, Ka-50's, everytime I came back to the game it was something. If we can stop that, power creep and balancing issues, we can fix the game and make it genuinely decent to play without any other changes to start with. But until that happens no band aid or new toy isn't going to change anything. Gaijin needs a different, less predatory way, of making money or I don't see it changing. Just look into the future of war thunder. There will be Armata's, Leo ,2A7's, Black Panthers and Abrams SEP's, how do you even balance that? The Armata doesn't have people in the turret, in theory, it could just hull down and the best you can do is breach it. How do you balance that? Can you even balance that?
gErMaNy SuFfErs attitude conteminated all the other playerbases claiming everything they play and they can't sealclub, (SampleText) sUfFeRs spamming follows. Actually, this was in present and true 5-6 years ago.
Still remember 2014 when I started. It's saddening but I am in too deep and will sink with this ship. It's been an honour to be part of the community guys. *Cue titanic violin player meme*
Me: **Cue Bismarck Captain roleplay** My mates: [standing next to me] Everyone else: [crying in the water as the ship rolls over with me clinging to the flag post]
The New Kids keep throwing their grandparents cash to the gayjins and fly the GR.1 meanwhile I, getting the whole German air tree done just to get the MiG-21MF and other jets in less than a year without even giving a single cent to gayjin.
I think once Gaijn doesn’t have another gimmick to sell like swing wings, or a new shiny tank that everyone knows, theyll have three options, full speed ahead and destroy the game making it even more buggy and pay to win, actually fix the game so that more people will buy premiums for a functioning and fun game, or find another gimmick and die a slow agonizing death, whether it be submarines or super far fetched designs it’ll never have the same hit as the M1 Abrams or F-4 phantom.
I have a friend who CONSTANTLY has war thunder open. He's not playing it all the time, but whenever he's studying, goes to sleep, goes to job; he has war thunder open. Is there a particular reason for that? Whenever we ask him wtf is he doing, he says: "just because". That may be your answer for the "active community" perhaps.
When you said “It’s almost as if people are playing this game when they don’t really want to anymore” you weren’t very far from from the truth. I know that in my case, I’m just not very interested in many new games that are coming out nowadays. Back in the day I quit World of tanks to play War Thunder. Now that they both suck there isn’t really any alternatives remaining. But because of COVID, video games are basically the only form of entertainment left for me, so I reluctantly play War Thunder.
lol i remember when i played WoT years back and was an absolute god at it, it was kind of sad to see the direction it went after all these years but i just recently got into WT. it's really cool at first honestly but at some point it kinda just gets sad
Yeah people forget how fun World of Tanks was in its heyday. In that game at least you could get away with playing ballsy as long as you knew what you were doing. In WT the second you try to play remotely aggressive you get one hit killed from across the map by someone camping in a bush.
War thunder is very much like a drug. The graphics, sexy planes, and historical promises makes you want to play it again, like “look it seems better and cooler and more balanced” but the second you go back in it just ruins you. Rinse and repeat.
I've actually watched a video not so long ago, by another youtuber, who said "the game is so bad, but we keep playing hoping something will change." Well that's how people in toxic relationships justify staing with their abusive partner. I played the game since 2013 until the end of 2018, spent close to a thousand dollars on it. I've realized the game is going downhill pretty fast. Last two years in updates has been a mess, and I'm glad I quit, when I did. There is no other game to fill the niche, which is unfortunate. But such is life.
@@an_f-14_tomcat I feel so cheated by them, I know it's silly, but I actually feel so cheated by Gaijin, I wish they gave me back the time and money I invested in WT over the years.
@@tomasz9429 I feel ya. I’ve spent 500$ on this game and my fucking god it was absolutely not worth it. Everything is overpriced in game. I feel scammed.
As a veteran that's played for nearly 6 years, I agree. Gaijin is making this game that has potential into nothing but a cash grab hollow shell of what it could've been. They took the short term profit, and the cost of that is the player base and the game's longevity. I honestly hope the CEO and the management team gets replaced by better people.
85 days into playing this (due to lockdown) and I can honestly say I will never spend a single dollar on this mess. I play a lot of games and happily invest time & money into the ones that I enjoy. But War Thunder is the first game I've encountered that actually makes you feel like you're being punished for participating. The match-making seems seems rigged, and even even when I play with higher B.R tanks, they often feel nerfed. So I tried a little experiment. For 20 matches I played as normal, lost 19 of those matches and almost all deaths were from one shot kills. The next 20 matches, I simply sat at the spawn point and didn't move. Again lost 19 of those matches and most deaths were from enemy planes suiciding into my tank. All 40 of those matches were over within 5-6 minutes, with the winning team absolutely crushing the losers. The conclusion I drew was that it was irrelevant how well you played (if at all) as the matches were pre-determined and teams were likely divided into those who have spent money on the game versus those who haven't.
Its less those who spent money on the game but rather that one team gets stacked with players that somewhat know what they are doing and the other team gets the super scrubs that act as fish in a barrel you just have to shoot. The MM has been bogus for a few years e.g. you had a match where one team had all 7.7 tanks and the other only one 7.7, 7.3 and one 7.0, the rest was all 6.7. For that they introduced the "Only 4 players can be top tier and should clash it out between them" which created the "only uptier" MM. Even if you are toptier you are not bound to win since you can also get easily OHK if RNG decides so even if you play top notch not getting flanked etc. e.g. a shot that should 100% bounce gets through your hull or detonates on top of it and kills all your crew etc. Combine that with all the other problems the game has and lack of QoL things like a ping indicator of your teammates and enemy players (like every other shooter has it) and you get the game in its current state. Not to forget that what you see is not the same thing the enemy sees like smoke/sandstorm/bush/cloud that blocks your vision isnt there for the enemy etc.
If DICE took Battlefield and stripped infantry from it, replacing infantry with all vehicles, named the game Armored Kill (as a throwback to the Armored Kill DLC for BF3) and sold it, it's be a significant competitor too WT.
ALRIGHT THEN BOYS Imma start a project called PeaceLightning, Imma advertise it as a direct competition to WarThunder, perhaps the Gaijin management will start being serious.
10:19 that CB thing is me And that looking at the vehicles while watching my pc burn Is me to Last played battle was like 5months ago and last time opend WT was 1 month ago Am mostly waiting for GHPC to drop playing the public demo is giving me more fun then playing WT cap 3 point gamemodes or get Bluescreen crashed or PLed to death or just driving around in A costom battle
"Game needs to be rebuilt from the ground up on a better engine" There are so many games that fit that, just off the top of my head is the portfolio of bethesda and overkill.
Gaijin just needs to get the Elite Dangerous Dev treatment basically players stopped pre-ordering or buying new cosmetic things until they made sure to fix bugs and make balances that were needed
After all of these years you all are awaiting for gaijin to fix his shit? Omg silly comunity keep waiting more 5 years, and keep spending your juicy money on warthunder
I love War Thunder, but top tier has certainly become an almost unplayable shit show with CAS/Helicopter spam and maps that make me want to throw my keyboard at my roommate. I love this game and I really do hope that Gaijin starts listening to the community, but with their current track record with community relations I seriously doubt they will begin to listen to us until it is too late. I would really hate for this game to end up like WoT.
War Thunder situation is bad... But still no where near what happened to WoT on consoles... WG making jokes and mocking the players Banning players who asked for fixes Removing the bug report feature form their website Adding a artillery that shoots 4 times at once and call it "The Equalizer" when players boycotted the game because of the unbalance Now they completely remade the game with the last update, asked for feedback 96% of the players said that the game is bad and is not unplayable and WG answered with this exact words "the game is playable" They asked for feedback, and when they for feedback they literally told that the players are wrong
Thing is who would spend their money to re buy a lot of premiums and event stuff ya know? I think that might be a reason. Or its just a monopoly kinda view of it all
I think another issue with the game overall, which made a lot of people I know quit or lose interest, and me nearly play only squadded anymore, is the absolut retardation of the playerbase. I can't tell for Ground or Naval, but the average AirRB player is one of the most stupid and greedy players of any online game I know. Full commit headons, diving and or sitting on a bomber, going headon with a plane on fire, stealing beyond reason, running away, airfield camping and running to it the moment you dont have every adventage anymore, the list just goes on. Having yours or the enemy team just vanish in the first few minutes does not make for a fun or any good experience, it is just tiring and makes you quit.
This is stuff I said years ago. Unfortunately, the time for the community to be constructive is LONG past. The game is not only tpo big for that at this point, but YEARS ago, when we WERE being more constructive and the well-thought essays and concise explanations of what players don't like and why weren't buried under mountains of REEE, we STILL got the same canned responses. We made our problems known and were totally ignored in favor of chasing whales. Gaijin put player intake and fleecing the newbs and those with sunk cost/spending problems over healthy player retention. Unfortunately, they don't understand that abusive relationships don't last and tend to implode one way or another sooner or later. What is better, hundreds of people spending 50 bucks a month, or THOUSANDS putting in 20 bucks a month? They chase short term gains without really thinking about the long term. Unfortunately, we also see this problem with WG's offerings (although it's become 'standard' for them and they don't totally neglect basic things in favor of new premiums and purposefully introducing vehicles with no equivalent from competing nations) and also with Armored Warfare. It in fact nearly killed Armored Warfare, because it happened before they got big enough to really weather the storm, and most of AW's early adopters were people who were former WT/WoT players who saw what was going on and went 'If you are going to go this route, we're leaving'. The one thing that saved Armored Warfare was it's having a viable PVE mode, something that no other game of it's type really has. Even then, they still seem to neglect standard PVE as much as they can, although they do seem to have decided to focus on PVE this year, which is somewhat promising. Less so is the fact that they still don't really understand player complaints about a lot of things. They come to the wrong conclusions from what players are saying. The 'PVE missile spam' thing is a perfect example of that. It's not about missiles, It's about the AI that typically has 6x more vehicles on the map than players, getting high burst damage vehicles and spawning them very frequently. The only thing that has saved WT thus far, is the lack of any real competition. The moment that pops up, WT will either sink, or learn how to do more than float there.
If Gaijin were to just take 6 months off of adding a lot of new content and addressed the flaws, and maybe, just maybe War Thunder can survive Edit: Hell, even if they took a bit longer off, I wouldn't care, as long as it works
From what I've researched the USS North Dakota in the US Naval tree is so messed up in terms of its gun performance and shell types which means gaijin is accidentally or intentionally screwing over US players by not providing the historically accurate shell types or the 12 inch common shell that was used on ND. I'd say gaijin is accidentally screwing over US players from what i can guess is poor research, but naval is a fairly broken gamemode anyways so in the wider span of issues i can guess this one is minor. Edit: they finally fixed it, right down to the letter. Thank you snail for putting in 1.1000% of a braincell into research Edit 2: Now the same issue exists with USS Wyoming, and Wyoming had a common shell historically.
Ah... old classic war thunder soundtrack... make me feel nostalgia, where war thunder was actually enjoyable... This video finish with “new power” ost, very symbolic. 🤔
