War Thunder is NOT Fun… So, Why Do MILLIONS Play it? 

Stockholm simulator the game

Personally, I think the amount of fun people have in this game does depend on skill level too. Someone who is capable of getting tons of kills per match may have more fun than someone who struggles to get a single kill most games.

My friend died a few years ago. The team still exists on Discord but almost no one is on it. I'm still on the team at WT and every now and then I stop by to see his name. I think it's still a way to keep him alive in my memory. You know, sometimes it seems like he's still going to say something stupid or simply give a warning to the community.

My theory about the spike at 80 to 90 is, that at that level players start to unlock their first top tierish vehicles, and are thus confronted with new things to be frustrated about (Cas sniping you from the other side of earth, BMP-2M, etc.), while they already became used to the the "normal" problems they faced at lower tiers

I saw a review on Steam that best described this game. "War Thunder is like an abusive partner. They treat you like shit but you keep coming back thinking they changed."

It suffers from "Monkey endorphin activation"...the brain see's "Target Destroyed" and it releases endorphins causing addiction.

"Target Destroyed"

I'm level 100 and have been playing for ages, and honestly the biggest issue with WT is the inconsistency. Last update they broke proxy fuses on some missiles, so now they can phase through enemies, and volumetric in general is horrible to deal with, like when I shoot a Panther in the mantlet with a 90mm shell that should go straight through but it just disappears into the void. If that was fixed the game would be so much more enjoyable

I assume the annoyance spike at 80-90 is because youre around tier 6, 7, or 8 at that level, and so you may be low on silver lions after buying expensive things, having to stock grind, etc. The grind just gets worse as you level/progress in a tree

The high annoyance in high levels is probably because they are more likely to play high BRs (grinding for the new stuff) at this level, there is an egregious power creep with new vehicles. If you get up tiered at anything around 8.0 or higher, you are almost guaranteed to lose and die quickly as these BRs are highly saturated by modern vehicles that Gaijin seems to be more focused on

Personally i love the game because of the immersion, and the real vehicles, i love learning about military vehicles and aircraft and war thunder has very high detail

I play war thunder because I enjoy bringing myself great pain. 3500 hrs in

Kinda surprised those are the main complaints. There was a whole rebellion against Gaijin because of the Silver Lions and RP gains for every match. It has improved though so i guess that's why but still needs a bit more work imo. They're pretty heavily anti-consumer as well like you said. The BR and overall cheesiness of other players can be frustrating, especially recently. The IS-2 '44 is now 6.7 and it just cant compete it feels like.

This is what I perceive as the current life cycle of a new player, and how that explains why the game remains so popular despite being unenjoyable. Attracted by advertisements featuring all sorts of advanced, modern combat vehicles, new players flood in, eager to play them(I will be just like Maverick in the F-14). They then download the game and find themselves faced with an insurmountable, overwhelming wall of vehicles they could not care less about, standing between them and their goal. Still unaware, and running off hype, they get grinding, encouraged to continue by rapid progress at lower tiers, until they hit a certain point where the amount of time they are able to invest results in negligible progress towards their goal. Realizing at this rate it will take many years to get their dream vehicle, I imagine many players get out their wallet and purchase a top tier premium vehicle, hoping to speed up their progress while simultaneously jumping ahead closer to where they actually wanted to play. Maybe they can even buy a top tier premium version of the vehicle they actually wanted, such as the XM-1 if they wanted the Abrams. Once this stage is reached, Gaijin has already won. The player has spent at least the price of a brand new triple AAA game, on a single vehicle in a free to play game. Even if the player quits now Gaijin could mostly care less. However, they won't. They will take out their new top tier premium and got promptly destroyed by experienced players at the higher tier, and, if they are playing ground, a one-death leaver has just been born since they have nothing else to put in their lineup. The player is now trapped by sunk cost due to the significant time and money they have invested, and probably no longer considers quitting to be an option, so they will continue to play and spend even more money trying to reach the vehicle or era that they think will turn everything around for them and finally make the game fun to play. "If I just get the MiG-29 I'll be top fragging every match, I just have to get through this bad part of the game first". (This is the stage of the players who constantly complain about the economy, research costs, the grind, repair costs, etc, their sole interest is accelerating their progress towards some imagined ideal era or vehicle, they are full-time grinders.) They will do this despite the game no longer being enjoyable for them to play. If they do ever end up reaching their end goal, they will probably realize it wasn't worth the hype, and maybe start revisting other parts of the game they overlooked or just grinded through, and since they have played so long by now they will be skilled enough that they start to realize the best part of the game is actually lower tiers, and maybe just maybe they will start to have a little actual fun.

I actually find 3.0-5.0 quite fun. The caveat is that starting off in those vehicles was a nightmare. Once I got expert in those vehicles and figured out the play style that works for me, it became much more fun. I haven't actually bought anything higher than my Tiger H1 or my M4A2 because those are my favorites

Remember You're allowing yourself to have fun when the fun's being taken from others

Personally i love the gameplay, it's what brings me back everyday, im a Level 100, 2,100 hrs in game, starting out was hard, learning about all of the tanks, and each weak spot and capabilities was a struggle, add gijjain moments and you get what seems like a hard game. I've played most of my hours by myself, and now that ive reached the top in a few nations, I really find that i need teammates, especially if i want to play say 10.3 or 10.7. I find that i do leagues better then most of my teammates because of premium players, i want to complain (still do once in awhile) but i know that i was once a new player with just the xm-1 and a m4a1 in my lineup.

We don't play it for the fun we play it for the fun "moments" when the other persons time is not fun its only fun when someone else is not having fun can only be both when your meeming around

For me playing with friends is more frustrating, while it allows for more teamwork and some niffty tactics interacting with them however is also taking away focus from the game. Therefor more deaths occur with less kills.

Not the greatest game I've played, but it's the best vehicle simulator and I enjoy it. The clear problem with this game is as they call it "the grind" and how long it takes a new player to obtain the modern vehicles they have seen in the War Thunder trailers. They recently lowered the experience and in game currency required to purchase some vehicles to make it easier on new players, but I don't think it makes any significant changes. A player doesn't need but is heavily influenced to get "Premium" time which costs real money but would increase your experience and currency gains. All of these predatory tactics aside, the game is free to play and if you aren't ready to spend a bit of money on the game you probably will not enjoy your time. Be warned.

IMO the reason why solo players have more fun than those who play with friends is that WT is SUPPOSED to be a team-based game, but in reality it really isn't and most players care only about themselves: they steal your frags, they stay in their bushes instead of pushing with you because they're too afraid of getting shot, they ignore the role of tanks in general and take all the sniper positions even if they play heavy tanks while you being a TD have to drive into city to be somewhat useful, nobody's gonna tow you behind a corner even if they're right next to you and you've been begging for it for over a minute, etc. So when you play alone, you're kinda expected to count only on yourself and that stuff stops boggling you pretty fast. But when you play in squad, you kinda tune yourself to collective work and, if your friends are good, you do it well, BUT it's only 4 of you and the rest 11 members of your team are still an egoistic uncoordinated mess which creates a strong dissonance in your head and resurrects your frustration about your teammates with a completely new strength, especially when you are losing which makes enemy team look so well organised compared to yours that it starts to feel that either the enemy are somehow playing in squad of 10, or your team was cherry picked and consisted of kids with special needs

I think part of the reason level 80-90s have such a weird spike in complaints to rating is that they have started to break into top tier vehicles which have some of the most bs and annoying moments to them at times. (I had a game at 11.7 a few days ago where I got slapped by three enemy F-16Cs with paveway bombs at least 4+ times and my entire team got wiped cuz they would just kill anyone who spawned in pretty much instantly. This was in Ground Realistic btw.)

I really feel like War Thunder is like that one guy that you don't want to invite to a party but as soon you both hangout you two are like a best buddy

I’ve been playing since September 2013 and usually alone. My approach to the game is to have as much fun as possible by not focusing too much on the grind, by just enjoying the matches I have along the ride. If I die or perform poorly I usually try to blame it on myself and ask where I can improvement. The potential of the game, the chance to try out historical vehicles and the fun you can get from having good matches is what kept me going for a decade. Until recently I had all air trees fully researched (air RB player for 95% of my time as a player all these years), top tier tanks for Russia and Germany, and I’m nearing top tier tanks for the Us and UK as well.

Hey, lvl 100 player here. I do play with friends occasionally but I find my performance is vastly better while playing alone as I’ve only just started playing with friends. Playing with other people distracts me and leads to poor performance in the game. It’s hard to have a conversation and concentrate on hitting weak spots/ playing at the same time. We’re not at the Bo time gaming levels of team coordination so we don’t really work as a squad it’s basically a bunch of people in a call but all playing as if we were alone. On top of this if I run out of backups I have to stay in the match while I spectate my friends which depending on how well I did could be over 15 minutes of doing nothing and watching them. Whereas if I was playing alone I could just hop into the next match. Also playing with other people means a compromise on what you want to play. I prefer WW2 vehicles but a lot of the time I need to play higher br’s which I’m not used to/not comfortable with. Because they want to grind higher stuff. For instance I don’t like top tier jet gameplay. (As a ww2 ground rb enjoyer) so when I play that tier with friends I have to use a subsonic A7K event vehicle I got. Which means I can’t keep up with their jets and my game is just bomb in bases and getting the occasional missile or gun kill. Being slow means I’m also usually the last to die because they’re in the fight sooner. So they have to wait for me to die. This is just my take so obviously I don’t represent all of the people who enjoy playing alone over in a team.

3:42 I play solo and it could also be that being on a team gives you a greater feeling of control over the outcome of the game and creates a larger emitional connection

You’re right, it’s not fun, but seeing those two red words sparks neuron activation. Only problem is that I have to get more and more as time goes on to feed my dopamine resistant brain nowadays.

The fact alone players enjoy the game the most makes complete sense, imagine playing with your new friend, he loses all his tanks two minutes into the game, you want to play with him, but your crew will get locked, how can this be enjoyable.

Im level 90 in the game, and although there are moments in the game that are annoying, I really love the game. I think people view the goal as getting to top tier which completly not what you want to do. I just try to have fun and get the fun vehicals which rarely are higher than 8.0..... vehicals like the axm50 surbias, tiger 1e, italian m26, and fv4005 are fun. I feel like the things that make us complain just make us appreciate the game even more when the game goes well which is more often than not.

To me I like the feeling of accomplishment and whenever I unlock a new tank or plane I get that neuron activation

I had a battle the other day where I went too fast, hit a wall and flipped over. Thankfully my team mate rammed me back over

It's like scrolling through tiktok, shorts, and any kind of social media apps... not good for you, but its hard to escape it

excellent video, very fascinating I would say, after a certain skill level it's really just about the mentality you have behind playing the game. What expectations do you have for yourself and are you able to meet them? You can find players with high and low expectations for themselves at every level, but the ones who are level 100 tend to have found their balance, and what works for them I've really been enjoying learning Air RB. I've been a tank player since 2019, and was never very good at aircraft. So going back and spending time playing aircraft feels fun and rewarding, as I'm picking up a new skill. So I suppose I am in that "level 30" region even though I'm much higher level, because I'm effectively restarting the grind. Air RB is very fun to learn if you approach it right with a growth mindset anyhow, would be interested in seeing a video like this with a muuuuch larger sample size

Playing with friends can be annoying if you are trying to grind... Which for some people is the fun of it. I like the mix of both and feel it makes sense those rate it better

For me, the painful and endless grind is the worst part of war thunder

To me, the secret ingredient to have fun in this game is getting hammered first. Or just (as I do now) never have it installed, never really play it anymore, and then notice it on friend's desktop when visiting and have fun taking turns (also being hammered while doing it)

What about profusive spawn killing? Ive joined matches where the team dies and leaves then theres me and a few others trying to get out of spawn at some point where you just get hammered. Map design is a massive factor id say

As a level 100 with over 3k hours the only thing keep bringing me back is the joy of crushing newbie’s dream especially people who buy top tier premium the rage and fan mail I got is what keep me going

Monkey sees “target destroyed” Neurone activation monke sees “death” monke hates game and so on

Playing with friends could lead to increased frustration if you die/run out of respawns early and have to sit and wait for one or more of your friends before you can get into the next match. You're also far more likely to face unfavorable BR or nation match-ups if your friends don't have the exact same BR or play the same nation as you. Unfortunately absolutely none of the data in this video was relevant to me as I only really played sim and my frustration with the game is entirely down to Gaijin never actually adding anything interesting or meaningful. They just pump out new vehicles and maps and never touch the same shitty game modes we've been stuck with for a decade.

Nice Video dear Wubb. from being a crate addict (hope another vid is coming out ;)) to making nice analytics. thanks and bye!

warthunder is unforgiving especially if you’re new but if you develop skills for the game it’s one of the most rewarding experiences in a game i’ve ever felt. i currently have 3409 hours in warthunder on steam.

I find playing with friends is where I have the most fun in this game. It is not really an echo chamber of frustration. When my friends and I play we normally have moments of calm rational planning followed by insane amounts of panicking. It normally ends in sighs of relief or laughter as one of us is left to fend off a hoard of enemies. Not to mention when you have a hype moment like shooting a plane down with a tank or something of the sort. It is certainly more rewarding to share it immediately with your friends than it is to share later. And if we get absolutely annihilated we do our best to avenge each other, and then go on to the next one. I play Warthunder on my own often, but I can attest that it is significantly more enjoyable with friends.

I got my first nuke yesterday and im still riding the high it gave me. I didn't even get to drop the bomb since time ran out during take off. Still i dopamine hit from just doing that good was incredible.

I think the important factor most people miss is that you have to remember one thing "It's only a game." Why would you get angry or frustrated about a stupid little game with tanks and planes ? I have over 1000 hours and I don't remember ever not having fun, maybe because I play in smaller doses.

As a great man once said "you can't call prison entirely fun although there are fun times but It doesn't sum up prison is fun, same goes as War Thunder "

It’s Like a Toxic Relationship you can’t get out of and when you do you somehow get into it 😂

I think the playing with friends thing could be survivorship bias. If you play the game alone, you enjoy it enough to choose it over other games. If you play with friends, you might be in a situation where you'd prefer to play another game, but your friend is playing War Thunder so you play it with them

Man the factor that makes this game “fun” is the same that makes gambling “fun”, Addiction and the illusion that next time it will be better

Great Video! I just play and enjoy the Game for the Cinematic Potential it has, DCS is a lot better but also a lot Harder for that regard, I also just enjoy a few Sessions with Friends which are really funny!

I’m level 100 and have over 2600 hours in the game, it causes me immense pain but I still love it

great vid i think it helped with trying to convince my friend why too or not to play thanks :)

Lvl 100 here, been playing since 2012... As you play with friends you get soooooo many up tiers. You also have the issue of players not showing up at all until they fire and you die, even thought they were 50ft away. You spawn on a plane to bomb someone, but the fighters are 2400ft away which means you die instantly.

The things that make this game aggravate me is the never ending CAS in ground rb and getting a whole rank up tiered

My biggest ting that gets me annoyed and even angry in matches is teammates, there is Minimal teamwork or communication (even less incentive) resulting in dying faster, getting rushed, loosing matches and feeling isolated. What feels better: Having to singlehandedly deal with 3 enemy fighters above you while your team chases after 1 bomber, or flying in formation and lighting up a enemy fighter who stall climbed after your teammate baiting. This could be assisted with more teamwork rewards, pairing players up into squads (like battlefield), more radio command options, more options to use on the maps (signs, arrows, warning; i.e. tactics), voice chat etc.

Haven't thought seriously with a database about this game like this! It was a very informative and great video. I personally feel NOT FUN when I die with "my own dumb skill issue"... which is the opposite of around 4:38 where 100 players feel happy with the gameplay and doing good. I need to practice more.

I have 1063 hours and last played it on the 11th January 2021. Quittibg this game is honestly one of the best decisions I made ans I regularly preach against this game when someone thinks about starting to play it. The reasons are many but the veterans know them.

One of the least fun things for me is the grind for SL and RP as even at low tier without premium it takes days to unlock a vehicle not including the SL you need to buy and crew it.

11 Years into playing WT, still having fun.

As someone who has never played War Thunder, it sure is hella to watch other people p̶l̶a̶y̶ suffer.

If there was a better semi-realistic tank game that wasn't Warthunder, I'd probably play it.

I have 800 hours in War Thunder, and I personally love the game, but goddamn do I wish it was pay to play sometimes. I'm primarily an Air RB player, so fighting against premium vehicles can be incredibly frustrating, especially when said vehicles are given completely unnecessary advantages that make them op. A prime example of this is the XP-50, which has an air spawn despite having a climb rate of 20 m/s, which is comparable to some variants of the Bf 109 and Spitfire. It just sucks having these very one sided engagements where if the premium pilot knows what they're doing, they're damn near untouchable. And then there's the cost of purchasing vehicles, which adds to the already insane grind. It took me almost 300 hours of daily playtime to get my first jet. I just wish I could have something similar or the exact same to WT, except with a 40 dollar price tag, only a third to a quarter of the current grind, and most of the premium stuff either removed or balanced.

So I’m a 4600 hour player with an account coming up on being 10 years old. I haven’t played all of those years, 2015-2017 was 3 years of not playing at all. Also when I started I had a garbage laptop that could hardly manage 2018 when I picked the game back up I had upgraded to flight simulator PC I started playing with friends however their interest in the game dropped while mine didn’t. Really none of my friends actively play anymore except for the very rare occasion for nostalgia. I think WT players on average enjoy the game more alone because it encourages it. There are next to no options or abilities encouraging squad play. Example: In the game Hunt Showdown weekly challenges progression is shared with the entire team. By that I mean if the challenge requires me to get a headshot then if my teammate gets the headshot it will count the challenge finished. Next would be would be the newcomer wall. The fact that daily challenges and events are Tier III+ centric and alienates casual friends who don’t have the time to grind out entire lineups of tier IIIs. If you’re alone you’re not dragging anyone into BRs they aren’t meant for. As for other aspects of the game: The game is very anti consumer with its whale market, no one sane should be paying 2 grand for a digital tank. Now all that said: Do I enjoy the game? I gave up on playing high tier just because the time required to spade a vehicle is too long for me to care. I mainly play 3.7-7.7 pretty much evenly across each nation playing vehicles I like. I am an tank enthusiast and I do feel WT has zero competition, to its detriment. I do feel the majority of the game is still to grindy even after recent changes particularly events. Crafting events I do not participate in anymore as they’re entirely boring and require time played on par with a full time job. Overall the level of detail and the interesting experience of learning different vehicles is the main reason I play.

In wot when you spot a tank and its stays invisible is a bug, meanwhile in wt its a feature

For me... I love playing with underrated tanks and making weird tanks work

I haven't played in a while but I remember I've unlocked MiG15 (doesn't handle well and has terrible guns) and on the other team I see F4 or German MiG21, I was dead before it even started and it happened all the time and each time you gotta pay a lot to fix it. If someone has pushed through tell me when does that hell end

It has its moments. Like there was this 25-game streak right after I got the M60 where I just had *FUN* Multiple days' worth of matches and I enjoyed them all. Didn't win all of them, didn't do outstanding but it just felt good to play.

It is fun when the mechanics works properly, when it gives me the expected gameplay for most vehicle tanks that relies on armor should take a bit punishments(Most heavy tanks and some medium tanks) and tanks with good gun should be able to kill without problem(TD or IS-2 kind of tank) But sometimes, it just doesn't meet the expectations, which brings a lot of frustration(volumetric trolling, overtier, CAS in ground RB) And there are also some vehicles that're just not fun to play(mostly minor nation low tier and something that's just not viable and stock grinding)

Tbh I enjoy the game but one of the most annoying things is when I'm short on sl, they should make it easier to come by or make things cheaper to some degree

Is spreadsheet is oddly accurate, good job Wubb!

A great write up, seems like almost the polar opposite of a game like Hell Let Loose, that infuriates all new players due to the complicated mechanics and insta death. Once players learn HOW to play the game its a very enjoyable experience. Looking forward to more of your videos.

I play this mostly solo. Used to play a lot with a friend, but i enjoy top tier ground rb, and he prefers rank 1 and 2 the most. We are both around level 100, i have 1600hours he has 1800. Playing with him is usually more stressful than solo, since either im out of my comfort zone in br, or he is. I find he gets frustrated easily when playing and tends to complain more, and ill just try to keep the moral up, but honestly its more stress than its worth playing with people who get mad all the time. And to be fair used to get mad at it a lot more before too, but ive learned to roll with the punches a lot better, and have accepted the fact that sometimes you die at no fault of your own, and to just respawn or go to the next game. I would characterize myself as having a high enjoyment (~8) and low frustration (~4)

personally I play the game because I dont have excess budget to build plastic models of military vehicles to make dioramas so I just grind them in warthunder (and also world of warships) its so much fuqqing stress but playing matches then taking pictures on replays afterwards satisfy my want for dioramas for nerdy reasons

War Thunder is like life. It promises a lot at first and you will have a blast at the beginning, you love it but soon things get way too fast and complicated, you feel miserable and robbed and not good enough, overwhelmed. You wonder if it's still worth playing it or if you should just delete the account but now you're invested in it and you don't want to get out, you're hating it but you persist thinking about the big prizes at the end, however you don't have the strenght or the ability to get there. So you go back try remembering when you had the strenght and the ability, when you were loving it and you were winning and and then it strikes you, that you were winning ONLY because you were loving it MORE than you were hating it. And that's how you play War Thunder or life; you FIND a way of loving it MORE than you hate it.

Been playing since 2013 and have close to 6k hours in the game. The secret to having fun is to never play above tier 4-5. That's what the game was originally focused on and it's where it is the most fleshed out and realistic. Tiers 2-3 are where the game shines, and where you should be spending most of your playtime. Just ignore all the shiny modern vehicles at higher tiers, the gameplay loop just isn't very good and the grind is horrendous. There are hundreds of vehicles to play under tier 5 so you will never run out of things to do

I have been playing since 2014/15. The simple truth is nothing has been able to come close to replacing the experience that War Thunder offers. I have taken multiple breaks through the years (half a year or more at a time). What really made me addicted to the game was buying premiums such as the T29 or T34100 in the early days, which pushed me into mid-tier (6-7 BR) and made the game more approachable. Currently I mainly play around 8.7 to 9.3 with premiums such as the T55AM1 or Khalid, but the truth is I havent spent money on this game for at least 4-5 years. I grind the events and sell the rewards at a later date, so the experience I have with the game is basically stress free. I just get a couple free premiums once a year and am able to enjoy the game that way (It's not like im playing the game every day every week throughout a year). Also whenever I'm playing I hang out with friends and we always go for the same premiums/lineups so we are more inclined to play.

I am lvl 88 and play mostly alone (not by choice, my friends just like nirmal games) and my frustration increase in heese levles increasing according to graphs matches but my reasoning of annoyance may differ from peaople by a lot. My annoyance is mainly of my indecisiveness on which tech tree to go for while all of them have a lot of good vehicles i love. There is also back to back uptier which is extremely daunting at tier V to VI realistic air battles but mainly my indeciciveness.

I've been playing this game from 2018 till now, I started on PS4 which was pure suffering and struggle and even though I continue to play it. Then I moved to laptop and my games started to be more enjoyable (Mouse>>>Joystick) and funnier. I realised that if you are having fun in the game, other people is suffering and vice-versa, thanks to it, I learnt that the key for having fun in this game, is not caring when u die or get gaijined. We always get angry when we get killed or the shot should have destroyed the enemy but did nothing but we never realise that the same thing happens to others when they shoot you. It's not that the game doesn't like you and wanna make u angry, It's just the game not working properly for EVERYONE. Ofc it is annoying and frustrating, but in the end of the day it's just a game, we don't loose anything apart from SL or patience, we should have fun with it. If not, take a break and relax, when we are angry we make dumb decisions and get angrier. This was my humble opinion, thanks for reading

I can find 2 different kinds of funs, 1 is pursuing the next vehicle which usually leads to complaints and more frustrating and playing general WW2 vehicles is generally peak performance. I do have a mix between playing with and without friends and always have more fun playing with playing friends.

I got toptier air Rb for the first time the other day switching from F5E straight to the F16C I the main reason I kept on the grind was to get to toptier but I now realise that F5E is much funner because I can get way more kills and I have to develope strategies compared to sit on the deck and missle in 12.3. And I resort to playing more nations to get some variety. (I have never bought a toptier premium so I have experienced every single br more than once I have mid-toptier jets in most nations)

Honestly today I returned to this game after deleting it and not playing for a month and a half. I was pretty burnt out and just didn't want to play it because each time I tried to play I would go into a match with a overly pessimistic look at it and that would inevitably make me perform bad. Today I decided to pick it up again and gridn to get the Turan 3. And just that really. I've been enjoying myself though I have my moments of pure anger.

i'm level 41. and I'm starting to get to the mid tier of the game. (7.7) with italy but I been playing this game since 2019. (I'm a casual but always watch wt). But my frustrating level isn't as high because I normally play it wt when I don't have anything to do. or sometimes before examination.

i have a friend that is 86 lvl and he has 8.0-7.7 germany and he constantly upset about stock grind insane repair costs and having no stabilizer so i think its hy there is annoyence gap in 80-90 level

Been playing for 5 years. It feels like an entirely different game now and its objectively NOT as fun as it once was. I only see the game going downhill at this point.

i think the reason why playing with friends is so much more frustrating is that when you die you cant really just dip and move on to the next match meanwhile in solo the second i die i have already clicked the return to hanger button and can move onto the next match without caring. ive actually gotten so fast at returning to hanger that i consistently return to hanger before CAS can even land there bombs.

They need to put reload system like when u press at ap or he u are on ap and u want to reload u neeed shoot and press 2 but why not press 2 and r and also what is interesing to see reload animation

im level 31 in the game, and love it. I dislike some aspects like getting upteired when you have a hard time taking on vehicles at your BR already. Sometimes the physics can get a little wonky, like the time when my APCBC shell went through a german Pz.II without doing anything to it in a 4.0 game. Or when you interact with other vehicles physically you can get some interesting reality breaking things to happen...

The only way I still keep enjoying WT is to not play the top rank and learn to ignore the grind. There is much more fun at 1-7 tiers, learn to not even watch the RP/SL numbers. Unlocks are literally "the cake is a lie" meme thinking that the fun will start with this next cool vehicle. I play mostly Air RB/Sim and from the rank missles are introduced the skill requirements goes rapidly down and it is just a positioning game where you can loose without doing any mistakes. However, if I imagine my teen/adolescent self, I can imagine all the younger folks simply grinding as some kind of challenge to get bragging rights for people that have infinite time to waste on a game, even if they do not have much fun from individual games. Priorities change as you grow up, and this is still a game ;)

As someone with over 5k hours and 8 chatban, i can confirm it do be like that sometimes

I definitely agree with the lack of competition, even though I play WOT/WOWS more, the games are too different to be considered direct competition with each other

the game makes me rage so much but i always come back to play it for whatever reason and im a max lvl and still suck. i miss old war thunder where you get XP from killing players to lvl up to unlock other Stuff

I have been playing the game since closed beta. Not every year and not every month. I have noticed through the years that my war thunder tolerance reaches its limit at about 3 to 5 months. After that i just can't keep up with the grind and I just stop playing for months. Then I see a video or an update that catches my attention and I come back for a few more months. And repeat the cycle. Higher BR is def more frustating than lower BR. Still there is no other game like war thunder. Its beautiful. And some of us have addictions to fulfill. My 2 cents.

As a level 50 war thunder player, i can basicly agree with all what he said he had it correct to the point

Level 100 (mainly air rb) player here Personally, just doing well at the game is my main enjoyment, and playing subsonics. Prop tiers are fun on occasion but you can have a lot less impact per match imo and they just generally go slower and have less rewards than jet matches. On the other hand of the spectrum, top tier is a missile slinging shitfest which I just cannot seem to keep up with, so I avoid playing it. I do not really have the luxury of playing with friends either due to time zone differences or my irl friends not playing war thunder. Someone else commented in a reply about performing well relative to the vehicle you're using, which is very true. I'm a big fan of the 262 C-2b, which has only gotten worse and worse indirectly throughout the years. First, it saw only other subsonics who could only push ~1000kmh if they were really pushing it. Then, faster planes began to be added. Then missiles. Now, it can even face a supersonic (the q-5a). Then map sizes increased, inadvertently nerfing its limited booster and its only viable fuel option (minfuel). For a final nail in the coffin, the drag nerfs decimated MK108s. Despite all of this, it is my most played plane and I thoroughly enjoy it despite its difficulties in use. Now, due to my skill and many hours, I can't honestly say a 3 kill match with it brings me much joy, but it certainly feels more rewarding than getting a 3k in a more competitive 8.0 such as the me163 or la15. My main annoyances come in BR compression at this point. I know there will always be balance issues; such is life. It is inherently difficult to balance planes with a terrible airframe and amazing weaponry. But when you have 8.0 planes able to face supersonics, or 9.0 korean war era jets facing 30G all aspect missiles, there's clearly an issue there. I think I speak on behalf of every player that isn't base rushing with their mirage F1C when I say that the playerbase wants decompressed matches instead of short queue times. I used to get quite upset at the game, but honestly as I grow older, I've mellowed out in general. I find it difficult to get upset while playing the game anymore. If I'm not enjoying the matches, I switch to a plane I know I can perform consistently well in and play that, or I quit for the day. I've quit trying to grind, mainly because I have every plane I enjoy playing, and getting the new shiny vehicle no longer interests me with how awful I know top tier is.

Im a Level 82 war thunder player and for me the biggest annoyances i have with the game are insane br adjustments, the insane grind. And most of all the lack of care for community feedback. It feels like gaijin is just making changes for money instead of what its playerbase wants nowadays. Hopefully something will change eventually but i doubt it sadly.

I think it would have been good to also compare peoples most played game modes to their enjoyment. I started the game before tanks were even in the game, took a several year break, and recently came back. When i started, me and my friend would mostly play ARB and it was so frustrating to take several minutes climbing and getting to the fight just to get set on fire by the one bullet that hit you in a dogfight. GRB you get to the fight faster, and you will generally get multiple chances to contribute. You also get to see more of your lineup, so more variety and fun imo

As one of the players that occupy top positions in a match, I mostly play WT only after sales with premium account and a new vehicle if I like it. Otherwise it is not worth my time to casually grind. I do play few matches daily with my favourite vehicles to not get rusty before the grind.

My question would be is how many hours do you have in the game yourself. I have somewhere around 3-5000 hours. Play as a mixed player, both with friends and solo, it really boils down to mechanics in the game, like when someone talks about bias, in reality I think it has to do with a lot with the damage models of many Warsaw vehicles, like t-72 series t-80 series where they over perform in some areas, like their Era totaly negating shall or KE shells from the side, ammunition being destroyed but not cooking off which frustrates many, another question you really should have focused on is the likely chance of players hitting 30-40 becoming frustrated with the grind and buying a premium vehicle either too high in tier or one that is niche and then being disappointed and bullied. I look forward to future videos.

My two biggest gripes with this game is the super lengthy grind, even with premium account time. And then the issues with balancing of vehicles, which will probably not be able to be gotten rid of without completely changing how vehicles br's are chosen or completely changing the system all together. Granted this second issue isn't too big of an issue personally, it's just my second biggest issue.

bro the video ended and then a war thunder ad played XD