War Thunder is painful - and I’m a masochist 

Ngl the road map looks pretty good the permiem account is going to be the normal sl is going up the grind is not going to be that hard anymore but tbh I could just be fan boying because I have fun in the game

watching this while flying to the fight in air realistic made this 10x funnier

The best way to nerf CAS without completely destroying it is have AI AAs in the map where AA zones can be captured. Which brings more variety in Ground Gameplay and make CAS more skillful

The secret is to like the game, not the grind, a person who likes the journey will walk further than someone who likes the destination

SPAA is my favorite part of the game. It's a great way to single-handedly turn the outcome of a match. Just sucks that the rewards for taking down aircrafts is so low.

I can personally assure you this is a very accurate review. Ive got over 4000 hours at the game, and played since like 2016. And the grind has slowly become worse and worse every year. At this point i have stopped spending money on the game, and almost stopped playing it since i dont really progress anyways. Also i have not had a decent amount of SL in a long time because of the repair costs. Comparing this to the fact that i have been in the top 3 best squadron (group of competetive players) in the entire game, that says a thing or two about how bad it has become lately... -----Edit------: After the roadmap updates, the grind is easier. Its thankfully not as problematic anymore :) Playing for fun is now possible again🎉

I honestly feel that naval is overhated just because everyone is used to the fast paced action of tanks and planes and when they go to naval and it’s slow, they automatically think it’s trash and boring.

The best way to fix the game is to remove gaijin from the game

A simple change that I would love to happen is, to get air rb and ground rb mixed in 1. That would make that a team in order to win easier after they earn air superiority, I think it would at least make it a little bit more fair.

Hey, I'm one of the people with no life and a limitless bank account, so I've actually unlocked and played top tier tanks, planes, and most importantly, SPAA. So, speaking from my experience, I can tell you that top tier CAS, like mid tier CAS, is horribly broken in favor of planes. However, unlike mid tier CAS, top tier CAS is also horribly broken in favor of guided missile SPAA. Whenever I spawn in as a plane, or when I'm in my 11.7 SPAA and I see someone else spawn in, that plane (helicopters have it even worse) gets destroyed within 20 seconds, because the missiles fired by top tier SPAA cannot be broken with countermeasures, intercepted, and are incredibly difficult to dodge, impossible for helicopters. So, in practice, if the enemy team has 1 or more guided missile SPAAs in top tier, you'll probably die before you even reach the battlefield, but if not, then you'll get like 4 kills. In short, top tier SPAA and CAS isn't really fun for anybody, whether you're on the ground or in the sky.

“Starts with vehicles from the ww1 era” correction, it’s interwar period and early ww2, though I wish they included those

You made such a good video for newbies. I had problems with playing with my friends because they just started out and they're pretty bad, and this video certanly helped them out. You made my life easier!

me too man im a britain main and i have to come to terms with my addiction to pain

"Let me show you what the Avg battle for Air RB looks like" : gets RAID SHADOW LEGENDS

A perfect time capsule to see how far Gaijin has come in just a few months. I've been playing for years and have around 1.3k hours. The grind is SO much better, and having Gaijin listen to us is a dream come true. Here's to hoping that in another 3 month's time that we'll have even more user friendly updates!

The problem with CAS can be midly fixed by just making you NOT PAY SL for the CAS death

I'll be honest, I think having aircraft in the game for ground RB is necessary and super important because it is the most reliable method of preventing camping. The problem is revenge bombing and aircraft who have no idea how to use their ordanance to obtain objectives and help their team. I think the best solution is limiting aircraft to 3 per team at any given point. A team saturated with planes will lose and having a limit will help prevent revenge bombing since if there are already 3 planes then they cant physically spawn in.

Yeah, the su25 may be boring once you get to the top tier air rb f-14 f--16 mig-29 mig-23mld flying into the furball avoiding missiles flaring notching using all the skill you learned from day one, pushing the limits of your plane where there's no room for one single mistake, there's no place to hide its kill or be killed you can't outrun a missile, you are forced to merge with the enemy and fight them it's a lot more fun than driving forwards to a spot and then point and click

Something I'll point out here that my friend mentioned: naval can actually be a good way to grind out Silver Lions, because each ship can be used multiple times, and some can get some *really* good modifiers for lions earned. Might not be for you as far as a constant gamemode goes, but definitely worth it as a daily task for some extra lions if you turn auto-repair off! Also having finished the video - I enjoy the game, but I'mma probably stick to the lower tiers cus I ain't in the mood to deal with CAS if it gets *that* bad. Plus, I'm just playing Italy cus like any good Florida Man, I saw a big gun slapped onto a truck and liked it.

just give SPAA a major RP bonus for each plane kill

I can tell you that everything you said is true I myself have grinded through 4 tech trees and it's ridiculous on how long it takes to a point I've spent 300$ on this game so seeing the new roadmap for the game makes me have hope knowing the MAYBE I can grind something else without have to buy another premium tank/plane

Did you know that oven doors have these little retention latches where the hinges go into the body of the oven? You can lift up and pull back the latches, using a screw driver to help loosen them if they're stuck down, then close the door most of the way while also lifting it up to pull the door out for easier oven cleaning. To put the door back it's easy, just get the hinges back into their slots in the oven body and push the retention latches forwards and down to secure them back into place.

For doubters, when he took off and set his course, then made a meal and read a book, that is legit. I have actually whatched 3 or so episodes of some random show and I still don’t get to dogfight. It is kinda sad. That’s why in realistic air, I play jets.

Best explanation of my issues with war thunder in one video. Especially the issue of maps and CAS. The maps are just absolutely abysmal sometimes

A Canadian who doesn't broke in half spaghetit? Aweso... wait why isn't it ready and why the hell are you putting chicken in it?

I found you bc of this video and I already love your video stile and the small funny things. The videos are very balanced with fun,documentary and knowledge. Keep the good work and never stop!

The last tip is so key: find a lineup that lets you enjoy the grind. You won’t progress as fast but you will actually enjoy something that takes thousands of hours to do even optimally. Huge fan of the british lineups at 2.7-3.0, american at 3.7-4.0, german 3.3, russian 4.3-4.7, etc. 4.7 and 5.7 all have good fun tanks and are some of the most balanced BRs in my opinion. I’m also a ww2 guy so I actuvely avoid playing (and sometimes even facing) post-war stuff. The grind will end at about 7.0 for me… eventually

It's like cigarettes. You watch someone play it and you immediately HAVE to.

god danm, u sum up the game well and in an easy-to-understand way. nice, fun vid

"this system adds so much naunce and counterpla-" shoot the barrel. you just shoot the barrel.

heli sniping is the most unfun shit ever, it's so frustrating

My biggest gripe with the game was and still is the progression. Back when I quit the game completely in favor of DCS (for more reasons than just the progression) I did an experiment a bit before I quit the game; Grinding to top tier France in the fastest amount of time possible by buying the BR 8.7 premium AMX-30 and spending every single minute of the day grinding towards that goal of reaching the Leclerc, to see how much time it would take me compared to the ground vehicle trees (Germany, Russia, America) I started grinding back in 2015 and 2016. Of course this wasn't just me playing a tank the whole, as I had already reached top tier in the aviation tree so I always made sure I had a CAS option in case I did end up dying once and needed to regain either a stock of spawn points or shift the course of the match. The whole thing ended up with me taking about 3 to 4 months... 3-4 months of playing nonstop Ground RB matches with a premium vehicle, with a premium account, for about 5 to 6 hours (sometimes even 8) every single day. The average kills per life was around 5 or 6 (because the latter 2 months got me really geared into how I should play the tank) and the win-rate was about 65% to 70%. This is ridiculous. Not to mention that my win-rate was far above average, as losing a match practically halves your RP gain at the end of it never mind your SL gain. On top of this you also need to research vehicle modifications for the non-premium vehicles to increase their abysmal value, stock vehicles are practically unusable in top tier. How do newcomers even have the motivation to keep playing this game, without at least buying a premium subscription?! The monetization, even for a F2P game, is downright predatory...

On the topic of CAS and SPAAs, due to the many frustrations caused by CAS, I've learned a few tricks for using SPAA effectively. 1. Be vigilant. Even if you're waiting for a plane to draw closer to you, look around, make sure there aren't other planes in the air. The best way to counter SPAA in a plane is to find one that's distracted, shooting at another plane. 2. Patience. As Tymptra said, your effective gun range is pretty limited. So wait, until that plane draws pretty close. You don't have to wait as long if you have something bigger like a 40mm (like on the M42) and being patient with faster firing 20mm guns is very rewarding. 3. Use terrain/buildings. They may be in the sky, but you have the ability to change your direction at any given moment. Peak out from behind hills, walls, and buildings to fire at SPAA, and if they try to target you, duck back into cover. None of these are guaranteed to turn you into a sky sweeper with 11 air target destroyed ribbons, but they'll hopefully be a big help to those of you who are very frustrated by CAS, and even more frustrated by how your SPAA isn't countering it.

I'm with you: CAS is ridiculously OP. The other day was a new record for me. I got bombed at the 3:33 minute mark. The previous record was 4:01 by a PE8 that took out 6 of us. If you pull up stats post game you notice how rare a 3:1 kill ratio is for tankers. Much less rare for the plane guys. The guy in the PE8 had a lackluster stat card except for the PE8 with 415 deaths, 1495 ground kills and 60 air kills. Its easy to see why plane guys like Ground RB more than Air RB. Most players are tank guys or plane guys. Competent plane guys have better ratios in general than competent tank players. Then there are the folks who are truly amazing with all 2:1, 3:1 ratios in tanks (or more) and 3:1, 4:1 ratios in planes (Gods among us). Players that can do both are really rare but the edge is still planes.

I endeavour to be wise when I cannot be merry, easy when I cannot be glad, content with what cannot be mended and patient when there is no redress.

Don’t forget that the maps and the game itself incentivize toxic and annoying strategies that piss people off, the three main trees either have op or annoying players (most, but not all of the time) and the game is coded against you to make you want to pay, premium gets you better lobbies, someone tested it.

"Imagine if you need to use in-game currency to respawn" May I introduce you to the Assault gamemode, where you do exactly that.

muh man, anytime i finally get to spawn in my plane to club some tanks i get snipped by a missile i don't see.

I got into WT in 2015 when the ground forces were fresh & the game was limited to WW2 era vehicles. I atopped playing within a few months because of 2 primary reasons: 1. The patches were too frequent and I hated the fact that all game files were checked EVERY SINGLE TIME I launched the game. 2. Spawn camping in sim battles... no comments here Later I got to know about the infinite grind, paid bushes that gave advantage in game - a clear P2W feature I'm happy I stayed out

as a player with 10000+ hours on this game (i started playing 2016), i must say, yes the grind is real and slow, but even thru frustration and bad moments with the game, i must say, i am happy with it and it is propably my favorite game right now

a warthunder addiction is worse then any other, the snail takes not only your time and money, but your soul, good luck.

Honestly as a AA PLAYER, you really really underplay AA, they can kill most tanks... Think of the R3, Whrilblewind, so on so forth. You just need to know when to attack and where to hit.

Man you must have a fast plane if you got there that fast Edit: i heard that if you machine gun a track in sim and no damage cam shows up it is an ally

shots from behind always penetrate and destroying the breacher always disables a dude

Gaijin: hey this guy has some good ideas. Also gaijin: hurry silence him.

“Free to play” man, I’ve been playing since 2012. It took part of my soul.

0:16 that clip is nasty af

i know i am 7 months late but i think that the fact that both teams have planes balances it out.

Air realistic is definitely the worst game mode that I can only really tolerate in jets. Air arcade can be a riot though… especially in early props that have tight turning radii.

When you actually have friends, you can spend that 5 minute downtime in queue and taking off actually talking to people. Suddenly that wait is short, not long,

there has to be a 1:1 simulation mode for the game where you can spawn any vehicle - excluded fictional - and do a 1:1 replica of a war (kinda, you can change the plot of the war)

This game’s so popular, someone will leak classified documents to win an argument with a 12 year old in it.

16:30 I used to play heroes and generals and for how much I loved that game, the economy was horrible. A kill would be worth around 100 silver, but an anti personnel mine was 800. Grenades were like 250 so if you weren't getting 2 kills and wounding 1 guy, you were wasting resources. Even bullets cost silver. Normal weapons were dirt cheap to use, but modifications would push the costs sky high. 700 silver a mag for my PPSH. Absolutely wild

him: there are more vehicles in this game than there are Pokémon me there are more than 4 million types of spinda

When I do bad: well I'll do it great in next game When I do great: I'll do it great as well in next game

I have a ungodly level of respect for those people who are dedicated anti air players

"20-30 rounds" *me rolling with 15 rounds only unless the vehicle has more then 1 cannon* Yea, Nope

The problem with CAS is that is too easy to get a plane, you just have to capture the first point and do an assistance and you can revenge bomb. It would be more difficult to get a plane.

I am still baffled at 1. Like you said, the ABYSMAL map design and lack of ability to allow the community to self filter these awful maps 2. This game INCENTIVIZING and ALLOWING spawn camping. This is the most baffling thing ever. It just straight up allows bad teams to be demoralized and stomped. Harming their mood and ruining the overall community. Not to mention, this causes many idiots to rush an enemy spawn instead of, playing the objective Give the spawns definitive, defensible spawn zone, and give people in the them invulnerability

I think a good idea would be to combine RB Ground and Air into one mode, you get one free aircraft/heli(low payload options with spotting capabilities) and one free ground vehicle per match. Points are gained by completing objectives or killing opponents. There are air objectives like securing zones or eliminating ground bases as well as ground objectives like we have now. If you want to spawn in a second vehicle with a better the payload, the points required to spawn in that vehicle increases. Make crash landing extremely expensive or crew lock to punish revenge bombers.

Only play the game if you are fine with rank 1 and rank 2. Those are pretty fun. Only grind vehicles up until battle rating 6.0. That is the max fun you can have. Do not expect much ch progression in the first week to month. You might get about 3 new tanks in that time like me. I only started playing so I could play the T-26 Pershing and 4 years later, I’m 7,000 reasearch points away. It will take another 2 more days. Remember, grinding does not make progression. Having fun moments in a BT-7 does.

"Playing SPAA can be pretty boring." *R3 T20 has entered the chat*

I love flying planes but man that air RB grind is real I could easily spend an entire day in ground RB but I can only do 3 hours max in air RB before I want to stop.

I never realised I shouldn't be taking the max ammo with me

I never buy premium, I don't worry about the grind. I just have fun. So what if the grind will never end.. think of it as an opportunity to challenge your completionism.

I don’t think CAS has to be fixed. I can’t speak for the very highest tears but I never had the feeling it is overwhelming overpowered but getting into a plane felt always rewarding enough. It is definitely a good middle. Maybe helicopters are a bit too much, but as I said, I can’t speak about that because grinding tanks takes soooo long…

This a really good and accurate review, as a player with over 6000-7000 hours, I pretty much agreed with nearly all that you said. The only thing I only disagreed with was one of your ideas on how to make Air RB better. Giving an airspawn to all planes is not a good idea imo, as we have seen this situation with many maps such as the old City map. Attackers and Bombers are essentially screwed when all fighters (especially ones with good climb rate and have a ton of cannons/high caliber machine guns). One of the things that makes Air RB special is the fact it takes awhile to get to altitude and set up, as this allows for potential skillful plays to be made. Not to mention that planes that already have airspawns such as interceptors/heavy fighters with poor climb rates would become obsolete if all planes got airspawns. Like at that point why would you play a Fw 190 A8/F8 when a Bf 109 G6 or G14 could do it better if they all get airspawns, or how about why play a Hornet when instead you could use a Spitfire LF mk 9 or Griffon spitfire if they all get airspawns as well. In all honestly, I hope gaijin would add Air RB EC mode as this would be fix a lot of problems that currently plague Air RB. Yes tank rb is more fun due to the action happening much sooner, though the slower pace of Air RB is what makes Air RB fun sometimes as those who have patience and know what's the best playstyle/maneuvers are the ones who will usually win. Also that the dogfights that can happen, especially 1v1s are also what make Air RB really fun and really tense.

Do not stop, the snail is hungry for more

I personally love naval because I have my Bayern and scharnhorst now I'm just waiting for tirpitz and geneisanau

19:10 It just always gets me how world of warship's grind is way faster than this. Although considered slow by us fellow players, compared to WOW, war thunder's grind time is just huge. By the way I'd like to give a little tip from what I could experience regarding grinding and silver lions farming Low tier AIR simulator battle rewards (from tier 1.3, to 4+) allows you to farm a decent amount of money and experience, with simple tasks like bombing or just being airborn (they call it useful action reward i think, correct me if I'm wrong). Choose simple targets like a pack of AI tanks, bomb, get back to base. The simple act of landing also gives you Silver lions and experience. Don't forget to shoot down AI bombers or real players, it's good money rewarded here. Also, if you bring higher tiers in Sim battle, use also lower tiers since these have lower spawn prices (or spawn taxes as I love to call it). That's for the earning part. I do understand that some of us War thunder players ain't here for Simulator though, but it has been quite effective to gain money sometimes. But yeah, the grind is super long It's not much but getting 18k to 30k silver lions after such battles is pretty cool in my opinion

My biggest complaint about the maps is the amount of sniping thry allow. I hate when someone destroys me from behind 2 hills while hiding behind 2 trees a bush and a bunch of ToTaLy NoT P2W" decorations.

CAS in a top tier is extremely broken. They can use guided fire and forget systems that make it so they just lock on, fire, and ignore it. They can take off, fire, and lane to get more guided missles. Rinse and repeat. To fix CAs, I would have CAS spawn at an airfield and cost the equivalent of 1 cap point and 3 kills. Make guided missiles increase the cost by 100 SP per missile (if you bring 4 missiles, your cost is 400 SP more than original.)

It makes ZERO sense why it's ground start for Air RB and air start for planes in Ground RB...if Gaijin wonders why I haven't given them a dime in almost a decade of playing their steaming pile of spaghetti code, its crap like this (of which there are dozens, if not hundreds of examples).

I've now spent many hours grinding away at the British and Swedish tech tree and I feel like giving up.

i absolutely hate repair costs, you get 2k for killing a tank that the owner now pays like 8k to fix, its literally just deleting money from existence

I'm an Old Guard and I only play WW2 tiers and sim planes, I don't even care about top tiers except for a few jets. That's why I still enjoy it after all these years.

"imagine someone seeing how long they have to grind and just closing the game without expending" yeah thats me, I install it every few months, play a couple of games, hate the biplanes, see how much is to grind for a decent plane, close and uninstall. Until I do it again some months later.

14:14 nah i love it when half the enemy team is cas, cause the ostwind II wirh the better he shells is the perfect counter, u can still hit like twin engine planes from over 2km away, playing aa is fun

The best counterplay against cas is not getting spotted. Its very very hard to spot people from the sky.

i love seeing you hit the tracks and pen in a t34 and then hit the t34 in the track in the last clip and do 0 damage. No bias bro.

I think the biggest reason I’ve stayed with this game and keep coming back is because I don’t play to grind to the top. I have a general interest in all tanks, so there isn’t necessarily a tank “I don’t want to play” when I’m grinding to top tier. I like building up lineups with all the interesting technologies between interwar and modern eras.

the snail is not pleased, watch your back

regarding planes, if they just made it so that you cant just get a plane after just 1 kill, or 1 cap, but instead you actually gotta get like 3 kills for it, or simply get more SP, the game would be a lot different.

Me with my T-34 against a side of a Sherman 38.6 mm flat vs 89mm pen. Guess who won this forsaken fight?

Just like he said, it has taken me over 1k hours to get to somewhat modern vehicles in just two nations out the NINE that exist.

People when they find out that Ground realistic battles have “realistic” in their name for a reason

"Spawn CAS with anti tank weapon should increase" -You cannot Spawn helicopter with anti tank missile in start of the game since it's more expensive than default Spawn cost -Most CAS aircraft have more cost if you bring more heavy payload if you using SPAA Don't Camping on the base too long(if your team still not dominated by enemy) enemy CAS can just avoid you at all since they also want to prevent your team to capture point or they just run straight to your base since they know you still in the base

CAS should be twice as expensive to spawn imo

My advice for war thunder is just play to have fun. Don't even worry about the grind and just enjoy the vehicles you have. Overtime you'll notice the game play change and alter as you progress further through the tree, but you'll see this as a positive as you get a sense of progression without really searching for one. It makes the game play much more fulfilling and the only real pain in the ass is getting GAIJINNED BY GODDAMN CAS WHEN I HAVE A PERFECT SHOT LINEUP ON THE MOVING BUSH THAT ONE SHOT MY FRIEND FROM HALFWAY ACROSS THE MAP

This video taught me that people who play Tanks, eat spaghetti without any sauce.

Me watching the whole tutorial video with over 5000 hours in the pocket

Air rb on low tiers is horrible. Once you get to the better missle age everything gets way better since you constantly need to watch out of enemy radar missles and you're way faster into the middle

Edit: Listening to your 'rant' about planes in RB was cathartic. The roadmap is cool and all, but the top two things a lot of people wanted was overall decrease in grind for lineups (Folder vehicle changes are nice, but don't create entire lineups), and a decompression across the board, helping the game become infinitely more enjoyable. Top tier can be dead some nights because not enough people can get to and afford to be at top tier. With as many nations as there are, there should be a drastic change in required RP, as more nations and more vehicles come out, the amount of total available grind becomes exponential. At 3k hours (Probably 500 in menus TBH) I have never been past 10.0, because I can not and will not grind a single line up. It becomes dull fast. My max BR (grinded, not squad vehicles) in AIR is about 5.7 or so with the AM-1 and folders vehicles. I rely on eventually getting an air vehicle from squad points and just playing whatever lineup it works for in GRB.

1. Gepard superiority! I'm getting pretty good at taking down aircraft but jets are so damn fast. 2. Gimme helicopter only battles. I think that would be wild lol

Rona turn this video into a freeze frame joke. When he said that ground versus air was hard to balance and a bomb dropped on him. As soon as it exploded frame perfectly and add started and all it while it was loading, alls I saw was a blown up tank

I have over 5k hours and im still half way into the Germany tree only ….. low tier enjoyer

You can’t escape the snail once you start.😢

Lalatina "Darkness" Dustiness Ford, is that you!?

War Thunder has no WW1 vehicles, the earliest examples in game are still inter-war period vehicles.

The start of air realistic is positioning and its what seperates the ace from the prey.