I think it would be really cool if you did a series like this for every nation. Not necessarily bias but like what each nation does good and bad. Along with how gaijin handles each nation.
Emphasis on child neglect for minor nations, granted since gaijin and warthunder are businesses after all we can't expect them to put their money and efforts towards nations few people play.
A few things I will happily add to the think tank, just to generate more speculations: 1: I don't think there's been a single update where Russia didn't get anything added, whether it be a ground vehicles, plane, tanks or modification for existing vehicles. 2: The additions to the Russians are not the worst vehicles of their own kind, whereas many other nations will either get worse variants of vehicles or worse ammo (Ex: we have T-72A, With quartz inserts to the turret, earliest of T72's would be pure cast armor) 3: The sheer amount of premiums for that tech tree has gotten so bad, it's basically a given to both face against and fight alongside russians at 9.3 and above. (generally 10.0) Most often when sales come about and for weeks after. 4: On the rare occasion you pen the upper plate of a russian vehicle, it is quite common to see your round go straight through the driver, ammo/autoloader, engine/transmission, not die and be able to fire back within seconds 5: People have asked what would even be the benefit/point of a russian bias in the game,(non believers) and the answer is quite simple, greater profits. Tying back to the sheer amount of premiums in the russian tech tree, it is within the interest of the company to give premium players a better experience for their money, hopefully leading to more frequent costumers. 6: Modifications for russian vehicles are shockingly easy to reach, in the higher tiers(T-55AMD-1 and T62-M1 used as Ex), Laser rangefinders and APFSDS is not typically a tier 4 modification, they are either tier 2-3, contrastingly, NATO tanks are stuck slinging HEAT (APDS if lucky) till tier 4 Feel free to add though provoking points
The NVD on Russian tanks is a tier 3 to tier 2 and sometimes a tier 1 when the us gets there's at teir 4. Along with german that get them at tier 3 at average. Russian NVD has gen 3 when most nations only get gen 1 and 2, and they make up numbers to allow this. Then they artificially nerfed the stinger from the realistic 18g to 20g to 13g, because they said it should act more like the igla.
1, the USSR and in some way russia has made 100s of different vehicles IRL, with a metric ton of prototypes, small modifications, etc. also it is one of the big 3 nations, so it is not suprizing. it is not bias 2, the vehicles you are talking about are already meh. not only that, but there is a counterargument that for example chinese T-55 variants are much better than the soviets. " whereas many other nations will either get worse variants of vehicles or worse ammo" what do you even mean? worse variants of the soviet vehicles? if yes, then it is because the soviets exported vorse versions. it is not bias 3, and in what way would be that bias? i bet if the same case would be happening but with germany for example, you would not cry germany bias it is not bias 4, skill issue and/or bad luck. it happens to every other tank too. it is not bias, but a huge confirmation bias on your side 5, it is a complete nonsense. while it is true that premiums generally offer a better experience, but implementing a bias towards russia is the worst idea you can do in this case. why? russian bias would appeal to russians, belorussians, and maybe serbs. what is common in these nations? the average person that would play this game has a low income. they are incapable of supporting the game. they need western players for that because they are the ones that can afford buying 70 dollar premiums, not the russians that don't even have toilets. and a real russian bias would highly discourage western people to play the game let alone paying for premiums. it is not bias 6, soviet 100mm APFSDS is a joke. it is very bad, worse than 105mm HEAT. it also has bad armor (even on the hull, NATO darts and even HEAT) will go through it (unlike the thinner chinese composite on the ZTZ88). but if we are here with this nonsense "argument", i could argue for italian bias for example. the OF-40Mk2 starts with APDS instead of HEAT, so it is obvious italian bias compared to every other 105mm L7 guns that start with HEAT. see how silly it is? it is not bias you obviously just have an immense amount of skill issue in the game and instead of admitting that you are just bad, you just cope with this russian bias nonsense. you are just as bad with russians as with any other nations. it is interesting, that essentially no good player believes in russian bias. interesting, innit? and i used the word "believe" in purpose. belief is needed when you can't prove what you say, or even when all th eproofs show that it does not exist
@@o-hogameplay185 you sound like a russian main trying to cope with his lack of skill by saying the vehicles he plays arent actually overpowered. honestly the only vehicles that actually have bias are top tier vehicles. all the low tier stuff is just volumetric being terrible and that stuff happens with every nations low-mid tier vehicles. 2. US is a great example. tons of other countries have "captured" or "imported" US vehicles, but for some reason teh US tech tree always has the worst version of that vehicle in the game, the other countries always have a better version. as far as minor nations go, they usually do get better versions of their vehicles because less people play that nation. low-mid tier china is almost all US and soviet vehicles. who would want to play china if its literally just the US and russia but worse? 3. germany and US do have major premium vehicle issues. US has way too many premiums, and german premiums have a tendancy to be way better than their tech tree equivalents i.e premium g-91 gets AAM and is same br as tech tree version, premium me-262 gets something like 30mm of pen with its 30mm cannons, every tech tree version gets no ap rounds and its limited to like 5 pen. 4. the video just explained why its not a skill issue, apparently you didnt watch it. apparently every russian player in the game is better than every US and germany player in the game, according to russian mains. 5. im guessing you dont live in russia, and neither do I, but 2024 russia isnt 1980 soviet union. they may not have as much money as a lot of western countries but they arent exactly living in shacks with no water or power. there are also russian mains who dont live in russia. to your last point, literally all of the biggest war thunder content creators all complain about russia bias, and all of them are far better than the average player. i've got 2.0 k/d and a 56% win rate and they are all much better than I am. Also, the russians literally have the highest win rate at top tier, even if you dont think the developers are bias towards russian vehicles, they are objectively better than the nato vehicles, the numbers literally prove that.
i can almost understand people trying to refute bias on a case by case, standalone issue. but in an overall sense, especially with what's been laid out between this comment and video, i firmly believe you have to be willfully ignorant to some level to still think there isn't bias. or if it isn't true "russian Bias" they've definitely given them a plenty advantageous start over other nations. a point that could be used against this is sweden, i believe their a runner up for dumbest starting nation because they get 100mm pen APDS, with a quick fire gun practically negates any amount of armor at low tier.
@@cslpchr You pretty just admitted it’s a skill issue with this comment , fuel tank explosions are entirely tied to crew skill, low vitality = death, upgraded vitality = survives Upgrade your vitality and work aiming center mass
Russian bias is just having better CAs and anti air. Most matches against Russia is just CAs spam and then u have a pantsir locking u from your spawn if u spawn CAs yourself.
Redfor CAS is significantly inferior to blufor CAS what are you on about the F-16C will always beat out any red CAS and the pantsir being SACLOS means it's actual effective range is hardlocked to 8-10km
@@duceposting1831I agree with the NATO cas being better, objectively. But I disagree with the pantsir being locked to 10km. I've gotten nuked by a pantsir from like 20km out before lmfao
@thebinarysquad5962 if you're flying in a straight line not moving at all then yes but that's why I said it's locked 8-10km because if you're maneuvering the missile is unable to hit you at all due to the SACLOS nerf that made any SACLOS missile trash the moment the motor burns out and you should always be maneuvering unless you're russian CAS with godawful sights that force you to stare where you're firing at the entire time unless you use the 38MT
You know whats funny? Ukrainians say they hate hate/love the t80 series, yes they are more mobile but the autoloader is hydraulic with flammable liquid inside that instantly detonates with the ammo when scratched making their survivability extremely bad... In warthunder the autoloader saves them...
Yeah but irl the ammo placement on the T-90M is actually more survivable than a leo-2 because the ammo is lower and the additional ammo (that is placed everywhere all over the hull negating the autoloader ammo placement) has been removed
@@akriegguardsman well the leo 2 has blow out panels and the T-90M doesnt, so there is not reason you should be able to directly hit the ammo on the russian autoloading vehicles and it doesnt explode
The phenomenon around the T-34 as you stated wouldn't be called bias. The fact that Gaijin does little to fix it I would. The A-10/SU-25 issue also very nicely illustrates this. Also the Ka series vs the AH-64. Additionally there is the matter of armaments vs BR that has traditionally favored the Russian tech tree to a characteristically small degree. Almost as if it's on purpose. Been with WT since day one. You are dead right. You'll never find a smoking gun but for many of us we can see the issues nonetheless.
The A-10's design is more survivable than the Su-25's, but a 7.7 will fold it in the game. Edit: The devs said they changed from using reported shell penetrations to calculated penetrations because they thought the reported ones were too propagandized and unreliable. I remember this change. It was dumb and very annoying to log in one day and suddenly have the penetration go down on my ammo and go up on certain nations' tanks (like American 75 APHE, which was still a starting round for a while after). I remember hearing about an old datamine from when ground was first added that supposedly found Russian vehicles had a 10+% higher chance to bounce shots with the old methods. It might be fun to look into that if you ever do a follow up.
6:30 ish... Spall Liner overtuning lead to the 2A7 and the 122 family being insanely strong. since the spall liner nerf it really hasn't been that significant like it was on patch day. T series MBT damage models being unrealistically tanky for years: I sleep Western MBTs eating shots for like, a week? REAL SHIT
Russian tanks get broken damage model : "It's balanced" M1 Abrams hulls accidentally gets two pixels on the LFP that doesn't generate spall : "Abrams too strong/Nerf Abrams/Unfair buff for Abrams" WT's playerbase is probably one of the smartest yet dumbest in the gaming world lmao
I know you're a brick with consistently bad takes but you could not play patch day 122B EVO and call it balanced. I literally sat infront of people in my 122s on patch day and ate 7 shots to the LFP with a red driver. This was more then once. Half of the Russian lineup is mid. It's carried by AA and CAS. 122s are still insane. 2A7 is too slow but also likes to soak shots.
@@spray916 yeah the 122B+ is weird, frontally, it's like another Russian tank but it's only a small part and you don't see that many 122B+ running around in regular matches so it doesn't affect much, I'm not saying it should not be dealt with, I'm saying that it should not be put at a higher priority than the problems with in-game Russia, this whole "Russian Bias" thing is probably the result of Gaijin's community managers actions of not quickly accepting/passing bug reports that buff NATO equipments, demanding more sources or just straight up deny it because 'they don't think it makes sense' despite numerous documents stating otherwise but for Russia, it is passed really quickly, the developers are really not at fault here but since they don't speak up about it so, they are guilty in some ways in my book, the head of Gaijin Entertainment on other hand (I don't know if he/she knows about the community managers problem or not, I think he/she does and he/she should), definitely at fault (first rule of leadership is everything is your fault, you're responsible even to the ones that sabotage the group's effort because you didn't spot them quick enough to kick them out)
For a long time, russian bias was mostly just a joke that players would make, poking fun at how it looks like gaijun favors russian tech more than other nations, or how it feels like russian tech is just stronger. But in the past years, its more true than it used to be. I've made comments on various other WT videos of how the new damage model has made it to where the spall and shrapnel were eaten up by the autoloader carrousel of the russian MBT's. It is a known fact, that almost all WT players know, and that is that Russia has the strongest top tier lineups in the game currently. Its been like that for years. And it just baffles me how people can deny this, with a straight face. Gaijun doesn't like fixing problems, adding features, or balancing their game. The only time they do anything, is if its going to either make them money, or pose a threat to them making money. And unfortunately, the russian tech tree is one of their big money pigs, and they're too content to do anything about it.
the side of panther/tiger tanks where the hull stretches over tracks and your shell magnetically hits the horizontal plate with 2000mm protection for some reason, my 122mm shell goes for this spot every single time yes i posted this on a russian bias video, meh, saving it for a german bias video i guess?
volumetric. it gives russian tanks weird survivability and on the flipside also made the 122mm gun insanely bad against tigers and panthers in that region. which is a great example of why rabid said its not necessarily a hardcore bias.
Also the Panther's UFP resisting the American Short 90 when it's upper glacis should be vulnerable out to 1km to T33 AP. They proved this in real life test firing against a Panther at Aberdeen Proving Grounds but Gaijin refuses to fix it despite photographic evidence and a US Department of Defense Document on the trials.
I agree with this video in every way . The part that drives me nuts is the fact that in my 10.3 abrams i have to aim for a pixel with my 374mm pen round and he can put it anywhere on my tank and kill me with his nearly 700mm pen round the amount of bias that russia has is borderline malpractice but all the russian mains will say there is no bias. You cant play this game and not admit that if you play russia you already have an advantage over every other nation
That moment when you realize the 105mm Abrams doesn't actually get the main round it was equipped with in the short period before it was upgraded to the 120mm. The M1 should have M833 as it's top service round but doesn't for...reasons?
@@twothouse123 I mean to be fair the M60 series actually gets an even more raw deal than the first Abrams. The RISE (P) should have first gen thermals of better resolution than the first M1, a Laser Rangefinder, and M900 APFSDS as it did during Desert Storm. The TTS should also have M833 and should actually be a lower BR than the RISE (P) because all of it's benefits were rolled back into the RISE (P) and the TTS was out of service before M900 was adopted. Fun Fact: The thermals of the RISE (P) were so noticeably better resolution than those on the first M1 that Army crews training on the original M1 actually preferred the older and more familiar M60 originally even more so because the first M1 had some serious reliability issues in a desert environment due to insufficient sealing of the turbine intakes causing massive sand ingestion. The issues were largely fixed in the M1A1 and crews were much more satisfied with the tank as a whole.
I feel like there is a lot of discrepancies between my ussr experience and what you said. A lot of the better players, HE the roofs, shoot the roof to kill in one shot. The breach doesn't shoot if its yellowish. Driver port either one shots or criples you to death cuz its right under the breach and can spall to both turret crew. Fuel tanks explode (and after this major update even more) and kill everyone. Also those damage zones should be bigger. The driver hatch stretches out on the entire horizontal line, the entire roof can be penetrated and if shot in the middle will kill both crew members (but there is a difference between 72 and 80 on that), for some reason shooting the breach of the russian tanks is a very strong thing cuz i've seen literal spall go through the breach (idk if its intended but it just lets spall go through). I feel like you shouldve touched on the chinese as well since they are the same design. Overall i can agree with the armor plates part. Something like the Comet 1 has no effective armor but because of all the rounded edges + sharp edges and weird shapes of armor it can tank flat shots, and stuff like the french tanks that have a lot of plates placed horizontally that gives them prolly 10k mm of armor and doesn't let shots go through. But i can't take seriously anyone who says "killing/disabling russian tanks is hard". I've had genuine fear when spall liners came. Russia gets one of the worst apfsds at top tier, combine that with enourmous empty space on a leo2a6 + spall liner. Result: Imposible to disable tank from the side in a way it wouldn't shoot back. You shoot center, no spall. You shoot gunner, commander takes controll. You shoot commander, gunner shoots back. You shoot breach.... well you can't pen the turret from the side either. Meanwhile (my experience both from receiveing and dealing end) you shoot at russian tank be like: Shoot lower, either insta kill (fuel tanks, ammo, crew), or mega cripple. Shoot driver port, either insta kill (crew, ammo AND fuel tanks cuz the engine fuel tanks can explode lmao) or cripple (breach, ring, engine and now autoloader). Shoot breach, either insta kill (crew) or cripple (breach). Shoot roof, either kill (crew) or cripple (breach). I have had times where i took shots and didn't expect to live but i did but it wasn't something consistent to make me say 'russian bias'. But there is also so many things that they could do with ussr that would make you say 'russian bias' and they haven't done any of what im thinking, eg: Thermals on a lot of fighters, Proxy fuse shells on all top tier mbts + bmp3, TOR-m1(?? XD), R73 on mig23, Mig21 the latest upgrade kit, Khinzal turret ifv at top tier with atgms. And tbh ussr gets cucked on a lot of vehicles, mainly by the chinese. T34-85 but with a 12mm at the same br. T54 but with laser range finder. Object 120 but free in the TT. TorM1 and others but ig thats a gaijin issue cuz they like to do that. Also please don't use win rate stats. Gaijin DOES NOT put that out publicly. And if you want to argue that that one site is actually right, that site told me my most used tank is T34-85.... 3 years into the game. My most used tank is BVM and B3 on second. And it is mathematically imposible to have a single nation have a win rate over 85% when that nation goes against itself.
A lot of writing but I agree that his issues he’s put out I’ve never survived as a RU player. I’d love to take a hit for once and not be crippled/dead after my shot didn’t cripple the Leo or Strv, there’s also the US curse were you know you’re going to lose if ur on their team 😂
I love how you can tell exactly who is who just by a few words in their comments. There are 3 main groups in this fight. 1: people tired of the odd inconsistencies that seem to mainly aid Russia and harm other countries and see it as mostly a rounding bias towards Russia. 2: people who are convinced gaijin is doing everything on purpose and will deliberately make nato equipment worse to make Russia look better. 3: tankies that cannot stand that Russia may not be the greatest in everything.
You do realize that the ammo isnt static in the carousel right? it moves around with the turret and if you carry 1/2 of its cap (18-22 shells) you get a large area where the round wont hit the ammo. One gameplay benefit of their autoloaders.
@@romanboi3115 yeah but if a round went through an empty part of the autoloader you probably wouldnt be able to turn the turret, because you know there'd be metal blocking the autoloader where teh round just came through and through shrapnel everywhere and bulged out the hull where the autoloader needs to turn
While all of these issues are valid, I have had my issues once I actually started playing Russian tanks fighting NATO ones. One thing I noticed very quickly after making it to top tier is that Abrams and Leopard ammo blast doors are extremely inconsistent when it comes to killing it. I have had rounds go through the rear of the bustle, hit the ammo and kill the loader, but it wouldn't ammo rack the tank. This happened about as often as a T-80 eating my round through the carousel. Another inconsistency I noticed fighting for the other side is that despite the fact I would sometimes put a sabot round into the right side of an Abrams turret ring. (Something I personally have told someone would be an easy kill.) and it would either not spall at all, only turn the breech yellow, or would injure everyone in the turret but not actually kill anyone. It used to be more common but still does once in a blue moon is the Leopard 2's external fuel tanks stopping everything from sabot to heat even from dead side on shots. What I am getting at is that, despite all of these being valid problems with one of the nation's tanks being modeled, I think the issue is a lot deeper than a simple "X nation is busted" "No you fucking moron, clearly Y nation is busted" and is more or less that the game at top tier, either due to incompetency, lack of reliable information or rushed development times, Gaijin struggles to model any part of any vehicle. (Balancing is a whole different department as Gaijin simply uses a completely different method than the rest of the community)
Theres that and there are some more direct problems Like russia haveing the only aa that is usefull and cas that can outrange anyother aa And the adats is still marked as a td
Wasnt spall liner (or what ever its name is) added because they were adding a russian tank with it, and then they added to most of the western nations older vehicles that were already added?
I wanna add to the bias. Map design is SOMEHOW following the russian tank design purporse. Russian tanks were designed for large flatlands and we got literally majority of maps flat. Recently tunisia got flatted as well without any dev server community testing
the problem with "flying tanks" is that sure you can fly it home but once you land it its scrap metal. Whenever an A10 got hit by anything in irak and the pilot made it back alive the airplane was so damaged that it wasnt worth to repair it. also yes there isnt any aircraft that can realisticly survive a close encounter with a telephone pole sized missile. Aim9s maybe sometimes (chaparel usses aim9s) but anything bigger than that generaly not. Russian carousels beeing somewhat imune to spalling does make sense to a degree, they do have protective panels around them to help against spalling irl (this is not modeled in the game tho) the bigger issue i see is that there is a massive lack in damage to ammunition, the infamouse, hit a charge, it turns red or black but doesnt detonate. for their amo calculations, this is a real thing, they use the same formula as the "longrod calculator". problem with this is that gaijin likes to input wrong data (density, velocity and dimensions of a projectile) and it cant give accurate data on segmented shells such as Anti ERA Darts (DM53/63, M829A2/3/4) and any Soveiet and Russian munition as these are segmented to increase effectiveness against Composite arrays. For soviet munitions there is a chart on the internet that estimates projectile performance (afaik this chart is at least considered as a lot of soviet darts in game get close or even match the chart 1 to 1). however this is vs RHA, against Composite arrays it would be expected to be more effective, to my knowledge this fact goes ignored by gaijin aswell tho.
dude just tested the german DM53 fired from 2A7v, it almost one-shot killed the BVM anywere on the lower front plate, becasue its liturally bouncing of the side amor interally in to the autoloader... thats just not justefied to call the lower front plate an "bad weakspot" its a kill anywhere and im saying that as someone who has played against the t-80 a lot
9:57 I need to know which RU-vidr mister semicoop is mentioning. If no one wants to mention it, at least gimme some hints or the title of a particular video lol
i have a few ideas, if i had to guess possibly TEC or possibly even Tankenstein, maybe even Spookston though i'd doubt it. i think TEC is the most likely one he's referring too but only based on the fact these are the only guys i know that still play tanks. i know Phly does both, but he doesn't really do in depth vehicle reviews like these other guys do.
@@SomeOrdinaryJanitorI swear I had the same train of thought, hence why i asked for the youtuber lol. My bet is TEC, he's without a doubt the most hypocrite individual in WT's CC environment, and it would fit the "make one video denying stuff, and the next vid we talk about how make the most of stuff" format semicoop mentions in the vid. In comparison, Tankenstein is mostly a meta chaser, so it's kinda fairgame as long as he doesn't push any narrative as TEC does.
the part mit the APFSDS is far worse while NATO APFSDS lack 15-25% of their real performance, the RUZZians lose -2%-3% I'm sure a few ruzzian bots will explain why this is the case, but we already know why in addition, ERA has little to no effect on APFSDS that are faster than 1500m/s and/or thinner than around 38-40mm in diameter the greater the difference between the diameter of the APFSDS and the 38-40mm, the less effective the ERA is this has already been proven by many people in the forum with first hand sources................all are ignored and some have even been banned but yeah guys..............RuZZiAn BiAS DoN'T ExIst
@@teox7967 ERA does have an effect on APFSDS, Relikt quite literally tries to stop APFSDS irl, why do you think nato is making anti era tips on apfsds?
@@P3S4R thats not what I or rabid said. You clearly didnt watch or comprehend what he was saying dummy. Gaijin modeled Kinetic ERA without any of the physical characteristics of KERA or rounds designed to negate its effects. Hence why when Gaijin said M829A3 and A4 wouldn't have a significant difference in penetration it showed us that they didnt model it according to... well... real physics and the characteristics of KERA. If that's not a level of bias or the term rabid used idk what is. Claiming its all just a skill issue is far less convincing and lacks zero proof far more than rabids entire series. Any long time player like me whos experienced years of Gaijin meddling with multiple aspects of modern equipment and formulas knows exactly what rabid is describing and can back up his claims with years of experience.
@@P3S4R like it did in ukraine? against a DM53? went through the front armor (relikt ERA) of a ruzzian MBT it doesn't even set off the ERA bc its was too fast a thin your only source for which the RuZZian ERA is supposedly useful against APFSDS is.............well RuZZian himself this simulator (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Piamt2V-j6s.html) shows what era do against a thin and fast dart...................almost nothing Of course, this situation was simulated with publicly known data so there is a lot of room for interpretation and nobody has claimed that it has no effect at all, only that the effect is significantly less when the projectile is fast and thin which is the case with all NATO apfsds from the 80s to today and to your quations: why do you think nato is making anti era tips on apfsds? because that's what the West always does we know that RuZZians lie about the capabilities of their weapons/armor but we still make weapons and armor that exceed the RuZZians' claims better safe then sorry
in my opinion the welded shermans in my experience seems to be a lot harder to pen as i have played the t34 and shermans the shermans seem to be harder to pen for most players as the early turret t34 76 turret is 45mm thick
Yeah 100% agree with russian tanks being far more gorgiving to play, gicing them plenty bunch more time to shoot you anywhere and 1 shot you or crippel you so you can fight back. This cuz of their tiny tiny and few weakspots. Same with their brick of a at plane and ka zombie copter.
Subbed. Using Lav AA at the moment because of lack of adats yet but, su25 eats the missiles all day, a lot of the time I'm hitting it 3 times in a row, head on once and twice as he flies away, doing almost nothing. Going forward, ka50 eats everything and you will not get a target using the ballistic computer until around 2.3 km if you're lucky, ir will not lock either until he's already a** f***ing you while rushing spawn 30 seconds into the game. Ka52 almost the same story except hes got the ircm wouldn't you know he's out of range of all your capabilities. Now I suppose the argument could be made that I'm using a 10.0 at 11.0+ but Jesus man I'm having a hard time believing that the adats will give me that much of an edge honestly
No it won’t. Adats might help you early game dealing with these ka’s but when they hop on the su25 spaming all the missles on you. Goodluck intercepting that
@@LongPham-xk4jr i usually hope to be in the f16C by then or the new Av8B plus ( S1 on the RWR already), aim 120 is such a blessing. It just seems crazy in all honesty that we can play Cas off one kill, a zone and two assists let alone a fuckn heli of that magnitude to start the game
I main Sweden and Second Russia. The 122's are better tanks, but a lot of my games as Sweden, I am the only Swedish player on my team, or there is one or two other guys. My win rate with Russia is higher (72% vs 63%) than Sweden despite Russia having worse tanks (Not by as much as people claim btw). Russia is so immensely powerful at top tier even after the Air Superiority Update it's insane. Don't get me wrong, 2A7 and 122 are the best tanks in the game, but that does not seem to matter all that much when it comes to win rates. The number of times I have faced Russia as Sweden and after 10 minutes I'm the only guy left in the game because my team got annihilated by Russian CAS is at least 7/10 times and this is as of last week.
Tf you mean russian tanks are at an artificially low br the t 34 has shitty firepower penwise but good armor (panzer 4 f2 which is also at 3.3 same as t 34 1940 can pen the upper front plate with relative ease at medium distances (
Amd the m1 can still be penned by 2.0 tanks from the front Russia still has the only aa that can do anything And they have cas that can outrange any other aa
favorable rounding is also known as bias. bias doesnt mean they are creating russian vehicles with the intention of making them overpowered, it means when a new russian vehicle sends up being overpowered they are more likely to ignore it than when a nato vehicle ends up being overpowered. to be fair to the developers though, they are a russian company located in russia. sure they have PR teams in other major nations, but the people creating the game are in russia and presumably most of them only speak russian and probably pay a lot more attention to russian social media e.g. the russian players who complain about vehicles being too strong/weak. just like most americans main america, most russians probably main russia and thus they see a lot more complaints about nato tanks being too strong and russian vehicles being too weak.
Probably correct I remeber the wall of sources when people tryed to get the abrams a buff If i remeber correctly a letter from or to the president of the usa was not considered enough While the t90m got spall liner on some spot becose the t90ms pre production video had spall liner there (T90m is non export, t90ms is export so not even the same tank) It took years for the mig23 to finaly get its nerfs and what happense ? The guy that reports the prpblem which led to the nerf got death threats
honestly i tried this game i got to 3.0 then stopped playing not my cup of tea grinding stuff and it feels like you need to pay money to progress in the game which is not something i like
0:45 so, they did actually nerf the T-34s drivers hatch in 2016, they made it the only plate in the game with a hard cap to it's angle scaling at 45 degrees, so if you angled the tank itself your normal hull plate would obviously increase in thickness but the drivers hatch wouldn't. At some point they undid this nerf when the hulls were converted to volumetric in the last couple years. However my main counter to the whole thing is that the Tiger 1s drivers hatch eats shells just as badly if not worse, despite being made of glass it bounces 300mm pen rounds consistently.
The 2s38 is hot garbage it's a good SPAA but that's it the vehicle is rather slow and made out of paper the autoloader changes also made it drastically easier to oneshot if you're too dumb to aim for the UFP you can literally shoot the left side turret and hit ammo now
15:49 At that angle you’d only be killing the engine… Why would you aim at the Relikt bags at that angle??? That doesn’t make sense. I don’t think we are ever getting a video on Swedish bias on that note. Regardless of what nation you played at a certain point of you had Sweden on your team you were more likely to win. Russia opposing or not didn’t affect much. No one speaks on the STRV 122s the way they do about the BVM, or T-90M and it’s so weird to me 😂. To me they are just as if not more annoying to deal with.
@@P3S4RI’m just finding so many weird holes in a lot of these videos. The videos themselves seem biased with little to no video evidence. I’d need to trust him faithfully to make most of this make sense… It seems like every new video, nothing I point out gets addressed. It’s the same old, same old lol. No one screams Swedish bias, etc. As someone who doesn’t even like Russia and how they do things. It’s weird to make that stance by targeting them in a video game… If that’s truly the issue. I agree certain things benefit Russian vehicles but funnily enough. The stuff I tested that actually did got very little attention. And the stuff that wasn’t quite true got the most attention…
@@BARelement the entire Russian bias theory has a lot of holes and is based on skill issues + ignorance, so yeah it does make sense that this video has a lot of holes
Spall liner overtuning existed for a few weeks. BVM being notoriously survivable has existed for years. Sweden is just Germany but better. but the leopard chassis is still far more consistent to damage than the T series chassis. turret ring shot is more consistent because the UFP is a reflecting surface. LFP shot will always get both driver and gunner, sometimes depending on the round it hits the commander and one shots the tank too.
Easy, the memoryholed one. Russian rockets can shoot down sams but, nato rockets are put at the exact cutoff to not do that. Doesnt matter as much since the missile changes but was absolute bs when it was added.
0:30 yeah no, autobounce is still a thing in game, they just moved it to 82 degrees, the exact angle of the Abrams UFP, and made bounced APFSDS lose 80% of it's pen. Does that imply there's American bias?
I tested it, and some T-34s hatches are literally 75mm at 60 degrees almost the protection of the T-44, very obviously a short 8.8cm isn’t cutting that hatch. The earliest T-34s that have 45mm driver hatches? I consistently went through with the Marder IIIH (at 400-600 meters distance..)… Only 2 out of 13 times did I do nominal damage where the gunner & driver turned red. We need clips for claims that “most times you won’t be going through the hatch” what tank are you aiming at? How consistently is the phenomenon? Maybe you aimed at a T-34 that has the 75mm hatch… Not to mention there are sections on the very edges where the plates physically overlap to create a closing. We need video proof because it isn’t matching the claims. Not to say BS doesn’t happen. The fuel tank KV thing I’m sure still is an issue, didn’t test that either but again. I’d rather have the proof.
he said due to volumetric shells and armor the drivers hatch shot is consistently inconsistent. Also years ago the autobounce coding in REALLY EARLY WT GFs functioned the same as volumetric autobounce does now. you can even aim right down at the hatch lessening the angle and sometimes bounce because of the driver optic.
@@SteelxWolf I tested it, you lied. It currently is the most consistent part (the 45mm hatch ofc) in comparison to the hull lip which is upwards of 100mm curved… Also if you shoot a T-34 with 75mms angled at 60 degrees on its hatch then that’s a you problem. The turret ring on the T-34 85 is a better complaint. But the hatch in 2024? Come on. I tested it multiple ways and it always went through. Even on a slight angle. With the MARDER IIIH. At RANGE. I love how I went through the trouble of testing it multiple times in game, and you ignore this fact. But whatever, defend and cheerlead this man all you want. I’m tired now lol.
@@BARelement I didnt lie? testing a static target vs a real match with varying ping, server hit registration, target and shooter moving. It was a consistent issue in 2015 and later on with early volumetric armor and shell mechanics being unfinished. you're not very bright, why would anyone shoot the hull lip? lmao
@@SteelxWolf Honestly. Maybe you were shooting HE, because if you aren’t going through a 45 mm drivers hatch at close range with an 8.8cm no harsh angles involved EVER… Then you’ve got to be on something or making it up. The Marder IIIH with its short 75mm goes through it from 400 - 600 meters at a slight angle still… Consistently… Even the Optics even though it’s overlapped oddly enough. Furthermore, at what BR would you be facing a T-34 with a 45mm drivers hatch with a Tiger I 8.8cm, or American 90mm? You’re likely facing a T-34 with a 75mm hatch at 60 degrees. Basically almost T-44 levels of protection a tank not even the Tiger II with its long 8.8cm can get through… So pls. Tell me why this glaring fact is left out the video, AND ignored in your comments? I wish you put as much effort into being intellectually honest, as you do into defending this man online… Just saying. No wonder conversations regarding this game are a cesspool. It’s always some weird political pro Russian, or anti-Russian weirdos just testing how intellectually dishonest they can be to people who just want to have fun, and better the game evenly. But that’s the community. I’ll end it here, you clearly don’t want to engage in good faith. Just defend this man. So have a good day my dude I’m tired 👍.
The Su-25s damage model was definitely ridiculous on release, but nowadays, I haven’t had too much issue with them. From my experience they only periodically remain airworthy after getting hit by a stinger. Often times they slowly and inevitably fly towards the ground after being hit. The Su-25 being more resistant than the A-10 makes sense since the important components are actually armored, unlike the A-10 where the pilot is only protected. Still, the wings on the Su-25 still might be too resistant, as they frequently take damage despite not having any armor. The problem with Russian top tier tanks for me isn’t that the weak spots are smaller but that they can be inconsistent. I chalk this up to the amount of crap that is strapped on top of it by design, and how with volumetric and combined thickness plus angles can make shots ineffective. As for breach shots on Russian tanks not killing any crew, from my anecdotal experience facing them I didn’t find this to be the case, often times I was able to knock out a crew member from a breach shot provided I am not firing a weak shell like M774, M833, or DM23 120mm. As for the disparity between the Su-25SM3 and NATO CAS at range, in practice it isn’t much of a problem, since currently the entire airspace is restricted by AMRAAMs. From my experience on the F-16C I found the weapons to be more than good enough to fight Pantsirs, since you can chuck Mavericks in “Point” mode well outside of the Pantsir’s range, and their missiles aren’t a threat until you are about 14km from them, since they can be easily outmaneuvered at range. If they show brain activity and intercept them, they won’t intercept the GBU-24 since for some reason guided bombs can’t be intercepted with missiles, only guns. My biggest gripe with T-34s has been the fuel tanks on the left and right that can absorb fuel tanks, and as with every other tank in game, the frustration that comes with tracks sometimes completely preventing penetration. I’ve only really had issues with the low tier T-34s, the higher battlerating ones like the T-34-85 are much easier to deal with, since the guns you can use against them are better while it’s armor profile is worse. Overall I wouldn’t say there is Russian Bias, it’s just that here in the west people only like to point out and issues that could cause Russian vehicles to be potentially stronger. A good example is top tier air rb, currently, it is dominated by AMRAAMs and the amount players that are being vocal about it being unfair, is much lower compared to the R-27ER. I would argue that the AMRAAM being much stronger than every other missile is more impactful than when the R-27ER was because reliable multipathing existed, nullifying the missile entirely.
Aa for the amraam The diffrence between the r77 and amraam is less then the aim7 and r27er Yes there was multipathing then but now notching works Also its over 500sp to spawn anything with amraams but its less then 150 to spawn the best aa If you were just killed several times by cas you wont have enough to spawn a plane but you will have enough to spawn aa (unless your playing the us the adats is marked as a td)
@@nikolaideianov5092 The difference between R-77 and AMRAAM is technically less but it is still massive, and worse now that you can’t just counter their long range with multipathing. Sure you can notch and chaff them but you are always in the defensive, with a disadvantage. Back in the R-27ER meta could close the gap reliably, and the flight models of the R-27ER carriers are so garbage that they would get curb stomped after the merge. Not saying it was great back then either, but there was more counterplay versus superior weapon systems.
@@Boris_The_Turtle the only diffrence which favors the amraam is the delta c and drag The r77 is better in everything else Theres more i cant say becose im playing now
@@nikolaideianov5092 Yeah… that still means that it outranges it by a considerable margin, and out-energies it. That’s literally one of the most important things. It doesn’t matter that the R-77 can deflect more and turn harder, there is no practical advantage to this increase in maneuverability, AMRAAM already turns at 35G, and is able to have more energy to make these turns. It also doesn’t matter that the R-77 has more thrust, because it quickly loses its speed.
1. I've played with and against russian 4.0 tanks and they are NOT hard to kill. Aiming to the side of the turret guarantees a kill almost every time if your round has at least 80mm of pen which most tanks do. The KV1 you will have to have a higher amount of pen for as it is a heavy tank, and thew spots where you can pen has to be almost flat to pen it consistently. what is the point of a heavy tank if it can be defeated by any round? 2. The T34 is not modeled well, and just because it hasn't been fixed yet does not mean Russian bias. For the past few years Gaijin has been more focused on top tier tanks/jets. Its round at best is on par with other guns. Its best shell is a composite rigid shell with poor spall, and its APHE shell only pens about 80mm of armor. The American and German counterparts at the same BR can pen way past that. 3. IS3/IS4 was made to be heavily angled, obviously its hard to pen from the front? Play around the fact that the gun has below average pen and reload speed and that the tank has poor maneuverability and its not a hard kill. 4. The Su25 is durable yes, but saying the A10 isn't is wild. The A10 has better CAS abilities, better maneuverability, better air to air loadout, and only slightly worse speed. The Su25 has lots of self sealing fuel tanks which absorb a lot of shrapnel that comes into the plane. Combined with the fact that the chaparral has little explosive mass, and that guy shooting at you missed almost completely to the left, no wonder you are still flying. 5. Russian tanks were getting absolutely SLAPPED a few years ago, which is why for a certain period for one reason or another, Russian and Chinese tanks were made to spall less to help with low win rates, and only ended when people noticed and the T80 BVM was added. To one shot the T80, Shoot the lower plate on the left or right side to guarantee hitting ammo. shoot the turret ring or next to the breach to guarantee killing the gunner/loader or at least the breach and autoloader. and for you saying the T80 is small/lower to the ground, that is what they were designed for, to be a lower profile tank. No wonder they are small. 6. China also uses an autoloader, go talk about them? the fact that just because its Russian means its Russian bias even though other nations have the same problem is nuts. While this may not be your intention, leaving it outside the video is a problem. A argument without counters points is not an argument. As well, the autoloader is a new mechanic, it will take time for it to be fixed like other mechanics. Again, not bringing up the fact that other top tier wheeled vehicles are hard to kill is a problem. They have a large amount of open space and little to spall off of. Saying that this is intentional defeats the point of Russian vehicles not spalling well. 7. Saying "I've had rounds that should do more" is bullshit. I've shot many NATO tanks that should have penned/did more damage, but didn't. Using the "In my experience" card isn't an actual argument. If that is so, When I play top tier Germany I literally have zero issue killing Russian tanks. 8. Just because Gaijin has not done something yet, doesn't mean they won't. They should have never added the KH38 or pantsir, instead adding different missiles or the TORM2. As well, everything besides the KH38 missile is terrible on the SU25. Bad air to air, bad CAS outside of the KH38, poor flight performance, high br. If you go behind a wall or small hill, it loses lock and boom the missile explodes. Especially with the new buff to mavericks, they are way more lethal. 9. What is the benefit to Gaijin for making the Russian tech tree better than others? national pride? War thunder is Gaijin's cash cow and anything to hurt their profits they seriously avoid. Their headquarters isn't even in Russia, and pretty much all of their workers aren't Russian. Do you think the CEO tells everyone to make Russian tanks better because its his home country and he feels like its his duty? If Gaijin was an American company is it then magically American Bias? technically since Gaijin is in Germany its German bias. 10. Why don't you also look at the weak points of the Russian tree? Lack of movement, bad depression, Average guns/shells, Poor CAS at lower BRs, bad Tank destroyers and no light vehicles at lower BR's.
I don't have the inclination to write a full novel in response but: - Yes, Russian tanks weren't doing great...so the developers were implemented a completely inauthentic buff to spalling (only to Russian tanks, BTW, never had this happen playing with or against China). But when Abrams were getting obliterated, the response was that they didn't think adding spall liners would be authentic. It goes to the point that Russian tanks being bad is a major bug that needs to be fixed, but NATO tanks just get to be bad indefinitely without a fix (see Ariete as well).
As for 9 its litteraly in russian law They cant show russia tanks as bad becose theycmay go to jail It would fall into dicrediting the armed forces of russia And most of the dev team is russian
@@duceposting1831 does it that matter ? Most of their devs ARE russian Is a product made in the us if every part is made in china and its assembaled in the us ? Edit:they would be arrested or have warrents out for their arrest anyways
@@semicooperative7188you keep making this apparent claim that the spalling on the autloader works differently, yet me and pretty much everyone else have literally never noticed this because it's simply not true. >when the abrams was getting obliterated. The abrams gets obliterated because you can't play it like a T-80 and most idiots never figure that out, all of my abrams stats hover around 1.9 to 3 k/d so far I only grinded them out to prove how good they are and they certainly are. >muh spall liners on the abrams. Cope the abrams has never had spall liners in real life why would they give it spall liners in game that's just dumb . >see ariete What are they gonna fix on the ariete the tank is horrible irl, it's design was slowly watered down and funding stolen through mismanagement and corruption which resulted in a poor vehicle which is reflected ingame what's there to fix.
It's more like premium bias if anything More often than not it's premiums that have the most crazy models Though to be fair, especially in top tier, they're way more common. Also Gaijin uses code worse than Halo 2
Hmmm yes, premium bias, sure. Not saying it ain’t a thing, it is, not to as an extreme as Russian bias, but it is there. Buts it’s not premium bias, it’s Russian bias. If premium bias was on the level of Russian bias, the full teams of clickbait’s would win almost everytime, which they don’t, it’s not too fun watching it happen over and over.
@@Ghent_Halcyon@Ghent_Halcyon you're forgetting most clickbait players suck extremely bad It's not unique to Russian vehicles where a shell vanishes on the inside or for some reason M829A1 going through the main armor and relikt of a T-90M Probably spaghetti code too, this games code is wrose than halo 2's
I played for a while before i abandoned this dog water game. Besides the ka50 spam being thing that killed my liking for the game was my shots going straight through the propellant in the autoloader and it not blowing up. Looking at that shot go through on the ammo on shot cam was such bs. And i only hate the game more as their dogshit tanks get their turrets tossed in ukraine at the smallest drone warheads. Its clear they take the specs from these tanks straight from the Russian government. the world knows how truthful the russian government is.
People need to realize that bias I an illusion made up by the player base, in the west, people think Russian bias exist, while in Russia, players think gaijin are NATO propagandists, I could make up a whole argument for bias in any other nation, France getting the best F-16s better than the US, whilst having the best ARH missile on the mirage 2000, Sweden having a 11.7 lineup full of spall liners, Germany having underteired heavy tanks, And for the topic of ARB, the meta is in the complete opposite direction of russia, at top teir russian planes are usually inferior to their counterparts, with their only major advantage being ordanace capacity
Whole russia existense - cope with reality. Every russian game has this shit. Russian tech would be unplaybale if they make it reality accurate. Long standing desire to propaganda and cope with reality etched in russian mind. "Понты дороже денег"
@@P3S4R Lol. Lmao even. Over 3k hours in the game and every single arguement he made is true. Hell, even with the new modules theres problems. Autoloaders now have a good chance to eat every bit of spalling when shooting the ammo of t series tanks. Git gud is just a laughable statement whenever you can hit the fucking ammo rack and it do dick all against the vehicle. Though it doesnt happen all the time its definitely noticable whenever it does happen.
