War Thunder's Helicopter Problem 

Its a good video. I love seeing players suffer.

I agree but also helicopters are a bitch to control on console Helicopters just aren’t fun to play and I’d like to see the tech tree expanded It would maybe be interesting to see helicopters take a “side objective” besides killing other players kinda like bombers. Cargo helicopters must transport certain things from point A to point B, if they choose to transport infantry (if the helicopter itself allows it) the enemy loses less tickets, but you move faster. If you choose to transport something like a IFV (Again, if the helicopter can actually carry one) then you are slower but the enemy loses more tickets

Always open to your perspective. I've only ever played AH-1G and I find it fun has hell. When I dont die right away. You have to hug the earth to ambush with rockets and grenades. With the max rocket load the Cobra is a phat boi so that ain't easy. Can't speak for top tier. I'd rather go up a new tree that grind anything over 9.0. I just don't find top tier fun. Also, I too love playing AAA. Sometimes I have 2 aa in my line-up to ruin the lives of g91 pilots.

the problem with choppers is realism. U wouldnt bring choppers to a place with very accurate SAMs as it would be wasteful. I think their br should be lower, apart from the blatantly op ones ( like the Kas), SP higher(higher than a plane cost to be precise) and spawn pads further away. I dont think the idea of " you can spawn in a chopper right away" is any good at all. Any flying vehicle has advantage over a ground one unless its an anti-air vehicle(results may vary cuz ka-50). TLDR: Lower br, Higher SP(no first spawning choppers), further away bases

in my opinion AH-1G can be somewhat OP sometimes but most of the time when you try rocket rushing you get shot down by even 7.92 rooftop MG and di doing like 2 kills. plus later in the game you HAVE to fly below treetop level due to Radar AA

@Matt Schutzman Thanks but, no one said it wasn't this way, the person commenting on the contrary actually said something that supports your argument. Thus one question, what's the point of that comment? Also, that's a pretty weird way to explain it. "The correct way to use blah blah blah is to confuse the heat signatures" yeeah, but flares try to do that themselves without you "using them the correct way", it's just that they aren't very good at it unless you also make evasive manoeuvres so just saying that explains it better

If those are radar SAMS and that helicopters knows where it came from, *assuming theyre not braindead* they’ll fire an atgm towards incoming missile and trigger the incoming missile’s proximity fuse and fuck you up

@@vintzvi3406 inb4 type 93 No proxy fuse and flare ignorance, just needs to hit at the end of it all but it's been buffed to be ok now

War thunder : we dont that here

@Matt Schutzman in real life, helicopters have painters on the ground, if the zone is hot, or they have radar uplink and can engage from behind cover. But mostly you wont see helicopters in a SAM prone zone, and if they're going against early generation manpads they will be flying very very low and very fast, and engaging with dumb rockets just like we see in War Thunder, while dumping flares throughout the whole engagement, and then move out as quick as possible.

ikr but still the devs shouldnt have added it if it was gonna be this op you cant complain if its op but you can complain that it was added in the first place

Next they will add submarines to naval lol.

@@user-pc5sc7zi9j tbh on paper that would be an amazing idea. Use them for a counter to the battleships which are litterally unstoppable unless you can make a lucky bombing run or have your own battleship. Give subs like 4 torps and a slow speed so they can KO one, and maybe cripple a second BB. It would also give light cruisers and destroyers a lot more utility. You could then actually use depth charges for something and go sub hunting protecting your battleships.

Yeah but video game balance can’t mimic real life unless you really want to go with full scale milsim, which this game really isn’t. If that was the norm, arcade shooters like call of duty or battlefield would be 100% shotguns all the time because shotguns in the relatively small maps of those types of games would completely dominate compared to any other weapon. That’s why shotguns are nerfed into the ground compared to how they would perform in real life with mediocre range and heavy damage drop off. In the same sense, helicopters here are horrendously powerful irl and need either their real life hard counters in play (dedicated AA) or they need to be balanced around the actual game environment of being against nearly defenseless ground vehicles. IRL if you surprise a tank with an attack helicopter, helicopter always wins. In a video game to keep it fun, you need to balance the tank and helicopter to give the tank a fighting chance. They had the right idea, but this isn’t a milsim game, this is more casual and arcadey. Unlike games such as Arma, your tanks aren’t defended by infantry and anti air, and the enemies aren’t 1-2 helicopters spaced out over a few square miles of combat area. A game like that still leaves the tank near defenseless on its own, but with the required support it can handle multiple helicopters, as real life is. The US army wasn’t throwing Abrams into the desert by themselves and hoping for the best. For a game like war thunder you need to have teammate support to defend ground vehicles from aircraft, and without infantry that comes down to just mobile AA and that really isn’t enough for the map scale and vehicle count and realistically it would just be better to nerf the helicopters to give ground vehicles a chance.

@@allthingsanime7413 ,

Considering the insane grind to get to that point, even if I've always known about them they still wouldn't feel real to me if it wasn't for the few Ground Assault matches I played with the Leopard C2A1 MEXAS back where I got to see them in person (in swarms at that); so that statement still kinda feels like news to me.

funny how i use bmp1 to shoot down helis w cannon and mh

LOL as a fellow door gunner I can feel this comment in my soul. Like, no way a helicopter tanks a 120mm round to the core. Sorry, but thats just not real. What IS real is how fast jets and spaa absolutely disassemble you in midair.

I remember being in basic watching the helos in the Ozarks just decimate tank, in trading mind you. Still powerful shit to watch.

Bro ur gonna get nerfed using a cracked weapon

@@Armoredcompany There might be some very very limited circumstance where the APFSDS (a 120mm projectile is actually just 20mm wide) goes in and out without doing much of anything. Ala canvas biplanes vs 30mm AP, but the core of a helicopter is what is known as a "target rich environment." Getting nicked by an APFSDS is gonna throw a lot of metal debris around at high speeds and possibly start fires. And if it hits anything square on, even if that thing isn't important? *boom* good way to gut a helicopter.

Also as a helicopter door gunner in real life, I concur😂

flarakrad be like *17k repaircost*

@@PLPlolol1 and the M163 costs like 20k to take out stock ;-; how are you supposed to grind that thing out just for parts and FPE without going broke on SL ? for that matter how on earth do you do that for any SPAA? I took to just grabbing my 3.5 SPAA for no reason other than the cheaper repair cost.

@@PLPlolol1 Meanwhile, the Ka 50 has repair cost of 14 cents and your dignity.

@@williamgearing4305 wth didnt even notice the repaircost on the 163 is that in rb or ab?

@@williamgearing4305 they're really that high?? how come an IFV-turned-AA repair costs are higher than a normal tank?, Repair Cost is a joke

From my perspective in heli its opposite. Flying 10m from the ground at tree Level and get locked by spaa 5km away that cant even see me trough all the trees but kills me anyway while i cant see him

@@Foxik58 i agree

and its easier to get a tope tier aa than getting a top tier heil so its more pain for heils main like me

@@Foxik58 And when you play the Ground Arcade Assault gamemode, you have AI SPAA shooting at you through terrain as soon as you spawn.

pain

sidewinders aren't a problem they don't have proximity fuses nor do they fly very wheel see spookstons japan missile aa video

Gaijin: *proceeds to add ka-50*

@@meki___6881 what? sidewinders have proximity fuzes and track very good, you are confusing them with stingers

@@netanelyatsenko666 oh yea sorry about that

@@netanelyatsenko666 modern ones yeah but the first ones couldn't track for anything and up until the 1980s versions at least all you had to do was make a sharp turn or fly with your front towards them to defeat them (they track exhaust after all)

If Gaijin was historically accurate

@@Veroxyde the company farts and falls

@@Veroxyde were it accurate, we wouldn’t have half the bullshit we do now

@@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632 but realistically speaking, helicopters are op as fuck in real life to

the french H-34... why. just, why...

*Cries with Mi-4 Mind you, I bought the Ka-50 pack just to skip that.

@@man1699 The Mi-4 is probably the worst Heli ingame

Alouette isn't op? They sometimes snipe right from spawn.

@@SbuKs417 U sure? the french H-34 only gets 2 ATGMs and 6 HVARs

I remember getting 250k because i was in my Uh 1c and just capping bases because it make you broken amounts of money

First I hated it, but lookin back at it, it wasn't that bad

@@jakepelletier2955 please sir, can you spare some SL?

@@arctic3007 if i could my child, i too am broke now

And not-needed engine upgrades

And things that progressively make the game more and more unfriendly to the minority of console players, like unnecessary engine upgrades.

@@WhatEvenIsAGoodName wdym I love a graphics update that makes it impossible too see because the game doesn’t render more than 2km out

To be fair Taking AA guns into Arcade is sometimes silly The ostwind for one does not come with good guns vs tanks so the discouragement of high repair is good But the repair is terrible because for Realistic, you WILL need that AA

yea people have been whining about tiny details for so long, like "buhu if only the APDFSTSPFBJXYZ round was correctly modelled, the game would be actually enjoyable", like hell no, the problem is these stupid ass maps with these stupid ass game modes, trying to model air/tank/ship warfare to a staggering amount of realism and then you force them into these super gamey and completely nonsensical situations.

USSR and JPN have the worst heli starts for real. They probably made them so shitty so people get frustrated flying them and just buy the KA-50 or whatever

Well I played uc and got 350k rp in one game with the ah1g 40 ka50 destroyed 20 uh1b, with 23 deaths

Trust me, it isn't better for the big for either, maybe It's even better for Japan because you need less helis to grind. Germany for example has to reseach the UH first, their starter is even below that. Russia is also pretty, the MI-4AV is considered to be the worst heli of them all even tho I think there are some others that are even worse. The best starter Heli is the US one and even then it's far from good

@@twentylush the mi-4 beats the bruhlouette by miles, at least when it comes to heli ec and potentially tank rb too.

@@tomfrank6766 yes, but most starters, dont have to grind 360,000 research points, for a 9.7 heli, americans 170k, russians, 110k, and so forth, plus they get some ATGMs, or some other MGs/cannons to use, japan gets ONLY dumbfire missiles that are, "ok"

Ehh, not much of a disparity between BR anyways. Plus the issue of wanting a different loadout mid-game.

I think they should implement this with every vehicle that needs it, but I can't think of any examples right now but I have definitely thought about it

AB.205 ; 6.7 !

They already do.

@@carlitosskater89 oh buddy...

Then it'll turn into Armoured warfare and die off.

Sounds fun... for the first few weeks or months before Gaijin nukes the rewards into the ground and make the AI actively cheat which makes it impossible to do well.

@@yostupidmama1 i dont really think it would. Having a gamemode like that - given they can do a FAIR AI that's not braindead nor kills you from 20000kms - would do only good for WT imo. There are so many frustrated players who just wanna relax and are full with the grind and the ground *combined* battles where planes just obliterate you with Nords or Bullpups. Plus WT has no HP system like Armored Warfare does, it has a really good battle system - given that they fix random ricochets and stuff like that.

Tamás Rézműves they won’t do it because it doesn’t make them money . People raging and spending on premiums does .

@@scorchclasstitan6727 yes im totally aware that they wont do it as they wont do a TANK Realistic Battles gamemode, i just said i think it wouldnt ruin the game

More like armored *gay*

@@sneakymilkman4203 what's the difference

@@sneakymilkman4203 H e is both

@@valthatiserie I know

Yes

once i spawned in a T-54 at the start and literally i died 60-90 seconds later because of a heli

Jammy Gamer lmao just spawn in another tank from your unlimited arsenal.(I mean no offense)

Not worse than Leopard 2A6 camping spawn though

@@peterni2234 lmao just spawn spaa, maybe get a single heli kill, then be useless bc you probably chose the shilka since that's the only good spaa in that br range. /s

@@mr.t-7243 add the fact that even if you spawn as spaa... this dont mean your spawn is save and you have the time to find the heli befor the enemys MG kills you first.

No the amx-13 tank series plus the anti air variant and armored car version

@@mouser7436 if Tiger 2 105 was historicaly accurate and not given because some germans cried on forums that their tanks are shit :D

The tiger 105 is one of the most hard to kill tanks at it's br y are people complaining?

@@mouser7436 at earliest tank battles, when T 34s and IS 1s were demolishing Tigers aswell as Pershings were versing Panthers and King Tigers, German mains cried on forums for Gaijin to give Germans something which could defeat Soviets and Allies since Germans are coherent blatant skilless kids. So Gaijin gave Germans KT 2 with 105mm cannon which never existed, Kugelblitz AA with wooden turret on Panther chasis which never existed and aswell Panther 2 which never existed. Never existed means that not even prototype was created (Kugelblitz was just panther chasis with wooden mock up turret, thats all). And thats why after 4 years or so, Gaijin finally take it out from them and suddenly they are crying why they cant obtain it. If Russian were about to get something which never existed, you can already hear them bullshiting and crying on forums once more.

@@urdnotwrex6969 Coelian is the one on Panther chassis with the wooden turret-mockup, Kugelblitz was built and a turret still survives, Panther 2 only had a hull completed as no turrets of it were ever built, Tiger 2 105 is purely a blueprint-only tank in the style of WarGaming 😁 (that is multiple blueprints thrown together, as the rangefinder and 105mm irl were not same blueprint ever)

Jesus thats a lot of stuff...I have the Tiged HAP...what I consider good, it gets blown out of the Sky by the KA52 😯😯😯

@@jyralnadreth4442 Imo the Ka-52 is the 2nd best helicopter in the game, the first being the Tiger UHT with it's PARS 3 missiles.

@@PineCone227_ The Tiger is significantly better against tanks but is incredibly lacking when it comes to Air-defences, the Ka-52 is pretty much an airborne ADATS.

@@stunningandbased5516 ka52 is still better overall especially now that pars3 is nerfed and bugged rn

@@PineCone227_ The Tiger can't even defend itself when the enemy gets closer than ~3km because it 9/10 times won't have machine guns, the stingers and PARS are both useless at ranges closer than that. And the Tiger is really slow so if you sneak up on one there's nothing it can do. THE UHT is still fun and really balanced actually. The possible multikills are satisfying while you're always highly aware of your limitations. Meanwhile... The Ka52 can do EVERYTHING. Even the Ka50 can do MOST. Those 2 Russian helicopters should both go up to BR 11.0 ASAP and even then they'd still be Superior by far.

The Ka-52 is no where near useless.....

@@thegamingcat3202 It's the same thing, don't be pedantic.

@@ZeFluffyKnight the Ka-52 is its own vehicle is better than the Ka-50, so i feel it should be mentioned.

@@thegamingcat3202 you know what I meant

Ah-64D is more meta, as well as tiger. The only good thing about ka-50 is ATGM range

simp

@@IckyStickyOils somp

@@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632 simp somp washed with soap.

Furry Voice Asmr

I totally agree with this

@@robertharris6092 especially not when its never a hard counter anyways, sucks to sit in a 40mm bofors shtter and being not only luck based against the most retarded of plane pilots but also completely worthless against atgm helis. even with radar gun spaa around 8.3 its still infuriating to watch some baby barely touch A and D to effectively avoid anti air fire (if it can even reach 3-4km before auto detonating or despawning) while at the same time guiding atgm after atgm. its not game design, its just a powertrip. its so rarely competition and essentially always just a question of who can cheese the most and ruin as much gameplay for others as possible.

Especially since it can kill like anything *cough* Maus *cough*

I think what makes it worse is that you can go into a tank battle and never spawn into a tank

@@tamasrezmuves3424 I almost never kill anything with armor. The rockets don't do jack shit to anything heavier than a BMP, unless you get extremely lucky. That's my experience.

@@epion660 yeah same. Rockets suck but i played only the Mi-4 in Ground RB but i think the grenade launcher is something else bc you attack from directly above but i domt really know..

@@tamasrezmuves3424 The launcher is really hard to get on target, and can be extremely unreliable at times. Hell, it fires a form of HE, and it still fails to kill BMPs and armored cars sometimes.

For ground rb, helis should have their own capture points that act as refuel stations and have better anti air capabilities, these points provide no tickets, but they make support better. Maps should take place in more diverse climates, Vietnam, as bad as it is in general, works fairly well for helicopters.

It would still just be an even more overpowered form of CAS. It just doesn’t work in WT

@@pbjman5809 could be worse. Could have an a-10 ripping 30mms through your tank, or just targeting everything.

@@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632 Yeah, because no other plane can kill tanks with guns... it’s not like we just got the A7 or anything

@@pbjman5809 you know I was just giving an example, right? Not saying it was the ONLY plane that can do it?

Don't say anything or gaijin will consider it an aa vehicle with atgms and bump it to 10.7

as a person who has tried to pla ythe AH 1G. It is decent. When fully upgraded...........

Yes, every machine gun and take this chopper down.

Naval battles problem is no one plays Naval battle lol

@@CaptainGhost1331 I play naval a lot and I tell people to never play it because it's trash when you get Destroyers.

Map design mostly

I'll argue balance, low tier/coastal is fine till you have to face SF40s or a PG02 in close range, even some russian gunboats with ridiculous turret armour. I like torpedo attacks, love using a US naval airplane and doing andas attack run, using islands as cover to reduce gunners time on target

Eyy stop cruisers spawn capping everyone all the time at least.

Its literally a bathtub made of cardboard.

I’m willing to bet 7.62 could drop a cobra

Maybe we can start a revolution?

@@Oof_2nd Good suggestion! Any plans on how?

Theres already modders right? lets see how they will continue the game.

@@SnepLeo go to russia and challenge them all to a slapping competition. Whoever wins gets the rights to war thunder

@@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632 Well im Serbian i have it in my blood. But you guys are paying for the plane ticket!

105 Hesh should be instant hull break death....no chopper can take that abuse in RL...no way in hell

@@jyralnadreth4442 yeah, I mainly use HESH on my Leo 1 and helis rarely get 1-shot by it... it has 15kg of explosive mass. No way a low tier heli should be able to survive that

@@spicynoodle7419 no way ANY heli should survive 😉 105 HESH would be a massive threat to a 747

Some better advice: just don’t grind them at all. You’re better off getting a jet, boat or tank. Even then, that’s pushing it.

Or play arma 3, ain't the best at physics but no grindnng required from heli stuff!

@@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632 some better advice: stop playing war thunder and play dcs instead

@@pancake5830 the best advice to give a war thunder player, if only it could cure the crippling addiction some have

@@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632 yeah, its like war thunder but no grind and better gameplay + graphics only downside is less aircraft

Grinding for ever to get tha fucking atgm

Say what now?

@@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632 Pavlov Vr now has tanks. So Vr tank fights

@@austenquagliero8320 nice

@@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632 Yea it's lit.

Exactly. Once the engine is gone the helicopter has to . You won't be able to slow down unless you automotive.

I feel like getting WT, but the grinding complaint always comes up and I hate games where you need to grind. Are the starting vehicles good enough for WT to be worth the download?

@@spiritmoon5998, You could get some low tier premium vehicles If a video is sponsored by war thunder, and then joining through the link

@@spiritmoon5998 i dont think the grinding per say is that bad, its a relatively short time to play to get the next vehicle, the problem is, is that you have to play quite a lot of vehicles to get to the top teir

You think grinding that is tiring and tedious? Wait till you see what’s it’s like to grind helicopters tech tree.

@@spiritmoon5998 As long as you don't go beyond late WW2 (mid tiers), it's pretty manageable.

I know that event they have for heli's is broken i joined once the whole team was ka-50 and the premium in the U.S. tree

@@wesley2146 nobody has any real reason to grind for anything else when it’s so broken. Gaijin won’t fix it though, because they want money and damn it if this isn’t a way to get it

Not a good chopper in my opinion

AH-1G rules: 1) never fly above 100 feet in altitude (can vary with terrain and foliage), 2) never carry x72 rockets since it's heavy and pushes the silver cost too high, 3) use the x32 hydra, x2 miniguns, and 40mm which gives increased utility, mobility (vs x72), and puts a hard cap on your time over the ground map (and is cheaper) without sacrificing lethality, 4) never make more than 2 passes over the ground map since you lose surprise speed and stealth usually after 1 pass and definitively after 2, 5) study the terrain features and come up with flight paths that you can repeatedly use to enter pass over and exit the battlefield while not exceeding the altitude limit and netting kills at the same time, last but not least 6) Stop for nothing once you begin a pass, don't make high energy turns unless you see an spaa that will kill you unless you kill it. Also use it as your first spawn since spawning anytime later is begging to be shredded by SIDAMs. I almost always get enough kills/assists to break even in the 1g following these rules and by liking Karelia, (Fields of) Poland, the Second Battle of El Alamein, Sweden, Normandy, Italy, Carpathians, Cargo, and Kuban (they all have excellent terrain for heli gameplay). Avoid maps like Kursk, Novorossiysk, American Desert and Alaska (wide flat terrain with little in the way of usable cover). Getting shot down is inevitable because you have no armor except the gunner who is your pilot's meat shield but this advice may help a bit.

@@lorentzcoffin4957 tf is 100feet? And Russia tanks with heavy machines guns and BMPs always kill me, and some people spawn Sidam first spawn just because of that, and im stock

@@iustinr3221 like 30 meters. AH-1Gs are glass cannons, you will get killed the goal is to take some folks with you. Usually because you're skimming the ground and they can't see you until you're literally on top of them you can make a clean entrance and get a few kills, and even with radar spaa's usually won't fire if they can't see you so putting a tree between you and the aa can sometimes save you long enough to kill them and escape. Prioritize your performance equipment over weapons for unlocking since the AH-1G survives off of it's mobility (if you're unlocking by RB). For Arcade assault you have leeway to unlock the firepower first because survivability isn't as much of a problem there.

Get good

@@bagelmaster2498 Didnt you read his comment? Your comment isnt anyway related to his.

@@jarskil8862 oh no, now we have try hards, elite gamurs on WT

@@bagelmaster2498 Worthless reply, because your argument is invalid..

That's true and this is why i only grind helis in tank pve. It still suck, especially overpowered ai spaa, but at least you don't face Ka-50

Yess! or make separate Heli EC match for Ka-50/52 players, since i see them all the time in every single match i went to, it won't reduce the matching time that much, hell it'd improve it instead since people actually had a chance to play Heli EC

Well you have Arcade Ground Assault but imo 5k xp for 25mins with bots isn't worth it.....it's also pretty boring.

@@westernspy561 well... rather than getting killed dozens time by a vikhrs in Heli EC, or spawncamped by a jets on Ground RB, i'd play ground assault, it gave me a chance to calm & relax myself from the regular WT matches

most aircraft arent even that OP as long as your team has AA up. In a wirbelwind you can create a 800m area no fly zone no problem, which on most maps is like 1/3 of the map. Theres a small gap around 9.0 where you dont have missile AA yet, but you have things like Nords, which can easily outrange gun SPAA. Missile SPAA can clap a jet from 8km away if its not paying attention/doesnt have a radar warning system. which can be combatteed by flying at tree top level where radar SPAA cant lock you or have enough time to engage.

Exactly they should be available from the start

@@GENERICNICK-kj4lm yes but if they spawn from the start they still get lots of kills,

@@MB-fe6ly it's very random. You either do very well or get killed without spotting a tank.

There was a time when no more than 4 M1 Abrams could be on a team at any given moment so limiting heli numbers ain't a problem.

Gaijin isn’t LucasArts or DICE tho so we get no well balanced gamemodes or team lineups

Dat gives no Rubels, da? ))))

I 100% agree

no, helis are fun and I enjoy them

9.0 would be the perfect br tbh, Helis are just brain dead, and most tanks barely have armor

@@eliatzarortiz8048 the highest BR I have researched is 6.7 in the US & UK tree, and I haven't played that yet as I'm trying to have a full lineup before I go for it. I do not expect to have much enjoyment at all due to it being stock, and for the kinda spam I will endure.

@@eliatzarortiz8048 8.0-9.0 is the missile boogaloo and it feels like cock cancer.

Tell that to thousands of people who already spent money on helicopters. It's way too late for that.

I agree....thats why when I play Ground...I use ATGMs to kill Helis. My T55Am1 has many Heli Pelts lol