Yes, I agree that Garona is half Draenei in the games. But in the new "cinematic canon" she is not. She is half human, and Medivh is her daddy. Don't shoot the messenger. What other tv shows/movies should be added to the series? Thanks for watching everyone. Love ya
Hey! I just asked if you covered TV shows in the comment section of another video and then you release this! Haha Was wondering if you could cover David Xanatos from Gargoyles or maybe Megabyte from Reboot. Keep up the great work man
Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat (all three), Silent Hill, Sonic, Another series you could try is the opposite concept. Movies with Video Game adaptations. Some of them are quite good.
that's crazy. I had the total opposite vibe. I was SHOCKED to hear that this movie is ONLY 6 years old. I really thought this came out right after I left highschool, well over a decade ago.
the human side was definitely what dragged the movie down, kirin tor, lothar romance, llayn's extended family, it didn't need to be this way but was anyway. pointing out there are no old people is spot on I think, were prepared to suspend our disbelief viewing the alien orcs, any thing can go really, but the humans are just regular dudes in big armour with a mix of edgy and awkward game of thrones dialogue, it doesn't work when theres no badass old dudes to pass on the torch with dark tidings of winter
The problem is that the plot was too complicated for a random viewer and too retconned for a Warcraft universe fan. Trying to appeal both to fans of the franchise and to people, who never had anything to do with it failed epicly. Reminds me of the Dungeons and Dragons movie from many years ago, with the only difference of the budged for special effects in WC.
What really dragged it down was that a screen adaptation of warcraft cannot successfully be done as monolithic cinema pieces for large arc plotlines for a general audience. The best you could hope for would be like Avatar where the background is taken as a semi-mysterious given and you go right into a specific conflict and resolution without much general exposition. It could have been a success if it went with a 10-12 part hour long show ala GOT, Vikings, witcher, mandalorian etc, and then have one or more cinematic releases focused on either culminations of plots or transitions between plots. You do the background character/world building in series as a run up to one of the large confrontations/events, the movie focuses on the exciting/tragic/mysterious event; OR the series deals with a whole arc and then a movie transitions from one arc to another, then back into a series. There are simply too many characters, too much lore, too much world building and exposition to fit coherently into a movie to ultimately care about the world or the characters or their choices within it. Ex: 10 part series about the corruption of arthas and the beginnings of the plague, then a movie about the culling of stratholme and the aftermath. Likewise a series and movie about the defias or bolvar or thrall pre warchief could be engaging and have themes that are relatable to general audience in the trappings of high fantasy. Sacrifice, betrayal, revenge, subterfuge, abuse, reconciliation, etc. They could also use such series and movies to finally rectify and deconvolute the various story changes over time and cement certain aspects of lore going forward in the game space, which is a total fucking mess at this point.
I honestly feel like with the amount of talent blizzard has behind their in game cinematics etc, its a real shame they haven't made anything like league of legends Arcane yet. Azeroth is so rich and interesting and cool and they are absolutely capable of making something awesome out of it
@@timotejlovrec9029 Pretty sure Arcane netted Netflix a top 10 spot for streamed services each episode that came out. That means 10s of millions of viewers. Netflix made the financial investment, not Riot. Ergo, LOL lost no real money, and gained massive positive advertising for 9 weeks straight. Given that Arcane is already guaranteed a second season, I think Riot is happy with the development.
@@looking4themountain im sure blizzard could manage to pull off a similar deal with netflix or amazon. Although given their recent controversy id say theyd have to wait for their rebranding to go through before any such deal would be struck.
@@timotejlovrec9029 fuck is wrong with your thinking? Arcane is one of the most successful animated series in the last like 4-5 years, there's literally no money to be lost here, only earned.
I'll tell you the real truth.... I'm a long time Warcraft fan and I was tripping the first time I saw this film. About halfway through, I paused the movie to go have a ciggarette, but I paused it at a particular moment where Garona just had this look on her face. And in my acid-addled mind, that look said everything. It said, "This movie isn't great", "I'm disappointed that I'm in a movie that isn't great", and "I know WHY this movie isn't great." Poor Garona.... It's kind of funny. Overall, I respect and appreciate what this film tried to do. I love the little moments. I love the Easter Eggs. I love when that orc picked up a whole freakin' horse and threw it at the humans. I like Lothar enough. Durotan and Gul'dan were both awesome. But even though I'm a huge fan, I can't overlook this movie's glaring flaws. The scene where Lothar's kid dies is just laughable. Medivh was real weird through the whole thing. Overall, I think I liked it more than I disliked it, but I really kind of go back and forth. Could have been so much better. Also, drugs are bad, mmkay?
Thanks for doing this review! I enjoyed it. As a die-hard Warcraft fan, I loved this movie, not because it was perfect, but because it was made at all and did do some aspects very well. That being said, I have some comments to share. What I liked: -The orc CGI, writing and characterization: IMO Durotan & Gul'Dan were home runs -Medivh: IMO the acting and writing served well the transition from protagonist (Guardian) to villain (Sargeras) and back again , it wasn't precisely W1 lore-based but I enjoyed the film story arc -The Magic: IMO the conjurer spells and warlock Fel magic were visually and audibly impressive (the W2 Polymorph technically didn't belong in W1 but it was funny) -Costumes/Settings: IMO the armor and battle tactics of the Azerothian footmen and knights , and the orc warriors was extremely well done ; the design of the orc structures (including the Portal) and the human buildings looked fantastic -Khadgar: he matched the impression I had of an apprentice conjurer and future hero of the Alliance in W2. -King Llane: some people may have disliked him, but IMO he matched the impression I had of a noble yet misguided (and ill-fated) king of Azeroth in W1. What I didn't like: -Lothar: his son Callan and that whole story arc slowed the plot down, reminded me of The Patriot (son, you can't go to war at this age you might get hurt oh no you dead now I must avenge you) and it was not W1 lore-based. Also, Lothar came across (to me) in the film as a loose cannon which I found offensive, he should have been the brave warrior of W1 lore and future champion of the Alliance in W2. I also felt him riding a Gryphon around was almost like a Deus Ex Machina moment which could have easily been avoided with proper plot writing. -Garona: A romance with Lothar and semi-sympathetic to humans? C'mon. she was an assassin and killed King Lane because she was badass. -IMO, The Kirin Tor /Dalaran part of the film was a joke, it wasn't even part of W1 lore . Alodi was certainly part of W1 lore, but she wasn't really relevant to the film story, IMO a waste of time and slowed the film down too much. -Weaponry: Boomsticks???!!! I have no words. Where are the archers?! Where are the catapults?! -Also missing in action: Necrolytes, Clerics, Elementals, Spiders, Scorpions, Skeletons. -The film's ending was terrible: So the king is obsessed with the idea of rescuing prisoners (who may or may not be alive) from the enemies stronghold (which is heavily defended and has no route of retreat) and with only a handful of troops. In what world would that succeed? It's an insult to the human campaign from W1. In RTS, there are attacks that fail , and then there are just fails. And then in the film, Lothar's all like "For the Alliance!" Uhhh...why is the Alliance even being mentioned while Lothar is standing in an unmolested castle Stormwind? Where is the epic final siege of the castle and its destruction by the orcs? Where are the Azerothian survivors & Lothar retreating and heading via the Great Sea to Lordearon? I think there was a missed cinematic opportunity there. In closing, I really liked the movie but it left me feeling a bit cheated. Hopefully they make another one about W2. But that is a story for another time...
Guldan's VA has such a heavy asian accent it sounds so awful compared to the ingame VA. Garona was also an absolute wreck in this film.. but I like it overall. Really bad but really good. I think they nailed the art style but could have went a little more "edgy" with the Alliance costuming. The goofy young actors all looked like they were cosplaying.
As much as I like the movie, it would've been better to split this movie into two, based on the books Rise of the Horde to portray the Horde side, and The Last Guardian for Alliance. The stories are more tightly packed and focused.
I hated this movie after playing the first 2 Warcraft games and reading the books so much, those "creative decisions" in the story sugarcoated the story so much. Also they condensed so much info, characters, locations and events in such a short timespan that making it a single movie really hurt the final product
A noob here since the Burning Crusade. I couldn't wait for the movie to come out and then very nervous when it did. Like most fans I suspect it felt very personal. The might have been a couple of small things that could have been done a bit better but overall it would just be looking for things to pick on. I took my better half with me to watch it on the big screen. She doesn't play the game, doesn't like fantasy or sci-fi movies but I had to watch Bridget Jones so there we are. She loved it. I was glad to see that it wasn't me just looking at the movie through rose colored glasses but that the movie stood on its own. I would be willing to bet that people that didn't like Warcraft are the same people that wouldn't like LOTR and other similar movies. If you don't like Orcs, Trolls and other 'monsters' than you will never get passed that to actually enjoy the story and everything else the movies has to offer. All I can say is that I hope they make another one soon. I know it won't happen but I can dream.
I remember my dad telling me about the movie years ago when it was first announced, and he would always update me when he heard more news. When the movie finally came out we went and saw it together. We weren’t blown away, but it was nice finally seeing something we had been talking about for 10 years. I’ll have to watch it a second time soon.
I am pessimistic about Blizzard doing a Warcraft 2 movie right, unless it is broken up into two parts. In the old lore back in the 90s, it was fairly simple: Doomhammer kills Blackhand, Guldan pledges loyalty to stay alive, they head north for greater conquest, Lothar asks for aid, the Alliance is formed, Orcs free the Trolls, Enslave the Ogres, and Humans come to the aid of the Elves and Dwarves. Guldan goes to the Tomb of Sargaras, Orcs are beaten back. Beyond the Dark Portal Exp is something else entirely. The problem is modern Blizzard wants to over-humanize the Orcs and overplay the politics of the Alliance. I always assumed Thrall's nod to Doomhammer to be out of respect for his accomplishments, not necessarily him being an eternal moral figure. Kind of like someone saying they are proud of their Confederate heritage, even though they would personally be against slavery. Doomhammer in many ways is more of a monster than Blackhand was in his disregard for anything outside his own power. Likewise, the Alliance was purely defensive and has been portrayed in Warcraft lore since 3 as a bunch of squabbling power hungry kingdoms that are irrational whereas in the Second Game they seemed pretty united in protecting one another (minus Alterac and Gilneas). I believe Blizzard would make the Second movie about Doomhammer being tricked by Guldan to invade North/Follow Lothar, about him wanting to save the forest trolls, and being a bit of a family man, while making the Alliance a bunch of self-interested assholes, with the Elves being only interested in helping themselves, with the leaders having to bully everyone to keep them in line, and like a secret plotline where Lothar finds out Terenas wants to secretly enslave the Orcs and he rode to Blackrock Spire to warn Doomhammer and is tricked into an ambush by Guldan or an ally of his and the bloodthirsty Alliance goes in to murder everyone and enslave them and we get a "who are the real monsters!" storyline while the "good orcs" go and try to stop Guldan from opening the Tomb instead of killing him because he disobeyed orders.
As someone who had essentially no experience with Warcraft besides playing Vanilla WoW to late 50s until the Blitzchung incident (and reading absolutely no lore/quests/dialog) I believe I have a somewhat fresh perspective. That said, I do have a lot of experience in related spaces through the sublimation of gaming culture and the like. I tend to agree with most of your points against the movie, particularly with the Lothar romance (a bit too fast, but believable to me), the death of Lothar's son (which is oddly similar to the death of Kim in GoW, which mostly just happens randomly), and the weird, rushed characterization of Cadgar particularly early on, and the unexpected Medivh-is-a-father (which I totally missed upon my viewing, to be honest, so I'm just taking your word for it.) I saw this movie with some friends, one of which pointing out some of the easter eggs you mentioned, while omitting most in order to focus on the experience, and I had no trouble keeping up. Your issues with the original guardian, to me, are completely unfounded and suitably hand-wavy magical, though the human political dryness I feel like was understated by you. All said, my experience with the movie was dramatically more positive than your critical perception, but I am far from a critic, so what do I know. I was shocked by how good this was and how well-thought-out several moments are, such that I was able to intuit and anticipate several narrative turns and allegiances before the reveals, without it feeling to me as "predictable." In closing, my biggest issue, as you similarly noted, was the size of the cast and the consistency of characterization of specifically Cadgar. I had no idea who he was early on (of course) and only gathered that he is somehow important around halfway through or so, despite his oddly handled detective work. tl;dr 8/10 it mostly felt rushed only in retrospect
hey man! just found your channel because the vid got recommended, good job! i really enjoyed the movie overall. what really bother me are the lore (and other) changes. the way the "fel" is depicted is really weird (and medivh stuff), cant find that in the books and games, which i all devoured 10 years ago. yeah sure, the story is really big and convoluted, you gotta make some cuts/changes so non-warcraft people 'can' watch it, but i honestly believe they could have sticked more to books/games and still apear to non-warcraft-connoisseurs when i showed my girlfriend that movie last years (i only watched it once when it came out), i really had to stop the movie every 5mins (didnt really do that tho) and explain how the story really went, kind of feeling responsible for the og story but who cares tho, normally i am more of a youtube/twitch lurker. dont know why i am even writing this comment right now
Did you watch the Blu-ray? The deleted scenes were absolutely necessary. I didn't know what was going on until I saw those. No other movie I've seen had deleted scenes that made sense like Warcraft.
My partner is a boomer that doesn't play games or read books. He is absolutely that guy that should hate a movie like this and he loved it. For him it was visually stunning in the way CGI can be while maintaining suspension of disbelief. And best of all from his perspective since he is not in the expanded universe canon, it was Hollywood taking a risk again to bring a fantastic story to him, the viewer and spark his imagination. I think that says a lot.
I think if they would have chosen Arthas’ rise to becoming the Lich King not only could it have been a 2-3 movie project, but it also could have been an easy allure to casual movie go’ers considering it’s relatability to similar trope fantasy arcs like Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars. Additionally, the story was pretty well written and detailed in Reign Of Chaos/Frozen Throne, so even an adaptation with inevitable changes wouldn’t have been as obtrusive given where Arthas’ story needed to go.
I like your sense of Humor, honestly. Laughed more than once while watching. 👍 I watched that movie back when it released and i didn't like it but also didn't dislike it. It was just... there. I would have prefered a movie on wc3. The Fall of Arthas is my favourit Story inside the whole WC Universe, but i should add that i am not a huge Warcraft Fan. I kinda always prefered Starcraft.
One of the most frustrating aspects of this film's production was reading that the producers didn't think making a Horde-centric film, with little human story, would work for general audiences because "who wants to see a film about a green guy?", this, in a world where movies about The Incredible Hulk, Shrek, and Kermit the Frog exists! How silly! 🤦♂
This is a very generous take, and that’s refreshing. The essayist clearly enjoyed this film a great deal more than I had and RU-vid needs more commentators like this, people who actually seem to like movies. For as universal as the notion of “Doug Walker BAD” appears to be, the effort to actually get away from what MAKES him bad is barely present
Why is it when discussing the shortcomings of the film, the fact it released almost a week earlier in Asian markets never brought up? HD files were up on torrent sites hours before the Chinese premiere.
The reason why it's easier for them to maintain a cinematic universe canon and a video game universe canon separately is somewhat simple and goes to a thing you even briefly mentioned... Movies are somewhat more restricted in scope. A movie has to tell it's story in about 2 hours max, meanwhile a video game can spend several hours more in just cutscenes let alone all the story that happens during the actual gameplay parts. They end up having to cram too much story into a 2 hour movie, they end up cutting and changing things to fit the story in, and these changes can be to things that would have more baggage added onto them in the future.
They should have made an animated tv series (in netflix or somewhere else). The lore of wow is huge, they have enought content already for like 200 episodes
I wish they had done wc1 from the perspective of wc1 and cut all the wow bloat and retcons made for the sake of validating expansion and raid story lines. The wc1 storyline would have been a great framework for an actually good movie, assuming blizzard allowed them to write one. Also the live action stuff just looked weirdly out of place mocap through the whole thing to keep humans consistent with the warcraft style would have been nice.
Blizzard needs to over-moralize the orcs it seems. Someone who grew up playing the RTS would see Thrall as a moral Orc who reformed the Orcs from violent warring tribes under the influence of demons and necromancy into a rebuilt people. The people who grew up with WOW lore were told that the Orcs were always good and were being mislead and Thrall is a bit of pansy for not being as tough as his predecessors. Two very different perspectives. If they do continue the Franchise into 3, audiences are going to dislike Thrall as they'll see him as a wimp instead of the strong moral centre of the Horde and will drift in favour towards Grom Hellscream as a result of the WOWification of the lore.
I would have loved if Blackhand spared Lothars son. It would make sense since one wounded Ally more or less won't make a difference and we have seen him showing respect for a fellow warrior.
The movie was Fucking awesome. Saw it in 3d and shit my pants during the first human encounter in Elwyn against the orcs. All the little Easter eggs that only fans would understand were great too. I want a sequel for this so badly. (After watching edits) “It could a been better but it coulda been so much worse” I think that is probably the best description of the movie if I’m being honest and putting my fan boy aside. As far as a sequel, as I said. YES please! Just keep it going as they started. I think realistically they should have started with Arthas and the frozen throne story cause I think that would just been a better hook to get people invested. But since they took it back, keep it going baby! Warcraft 2!!! They have the OG game, the Dark Portal expac and even the flash back of Guldan in the tomb of Sargeras from WC3 to work with. They could do an awesome mishmash. I really hope they do.
I loved this movie. The critics were not TRUE fans of The Warcraft franchise. I wish they would've kept going. I would love to see "Lordaeron." Follow the canon and tell Arthas story.
Changing the story to fit the movie is what irked me the most. Medivh being her dad instead of her lover made it awkward, Gul'dan leading the Horde upfront instead of behind the scenes, Garona willingly killing Llane, the list keeps going.
I honestly like that they managed to show the good people in the Horde, which honestly they didn't have to since WC1 was very straight forward Orcs evil - Humans good.
It was a nice movie, but after reading the books, I hate that they changed Orgrim to a Frostwolf. The friendship he had with Durotan was so big because the clans didn't mix or make friends with others. Also the story with Khadgar was amazing in books, and Lothar being old and bald instead of the Vikings man
Arthas should have been the first movie. The only reason they pulled this narrative for the main plot is because of Warlords of Draenor expansion that was coming out/came out the around the same time. It was such a wasted potential. It was an easy win if they would have created the best story line of the entire franchise. Edit: Or maybe Warlords of Draenor was inspired by the making of the movie? Either way, the Arthas plot was written, was good, and just had to be adapted.
I would kill to get a video from you talking about Garrosh, its a character that has divided the WoW community for a long time! Great videos by the way, will binge watch them today!!
I would have been happy with a two hour film that was no story and just slow pans around the photo realistic lands/cities. It was beautiful. I would have loved to see more of Dalaran.
Worst thing about the movie was knowing it was a standalone. I played WoW and didnt expect perfection, but the WoW community turned on it so I knew they would never continue with it. Destroyed because it wasnt perfect.
Yes this film both is and isn't faithful to the source material, but that's why I love it. And that's why people love Sonic Movie 2 nowadays. It brings my favorite universe to the big screen, with familiar names and places I know, but with major lore difference that gives me a chanse to look at an alternate reality. When a movie doesn't follow the game completely, we get a sense of something we can't predict. We're no longer familiar with the events and we don't know what is about to happen.
Hey ghost, I was wondering if you could do a Heropedia on Cayde-6 from the Destiny franchise? Not only do I think it would make for good content, but I think he is a fantastic character
I always felt that the sequels were needed for the broader audiance to 'get into' it. And I thought and hoped they would make part 2. But I kept meeting people unhappy with the movie. It's main problem is the cluster of information for someone new to the universe. Should have had a slower pace, but not as slow as DUNE, lol.
Warcraft got me into gaming and I really enjoyed that movie, tho I agree with all the bads you've pointed out. My biggest annoyance is how the Alliance is formed at the end of the movie out of no where when initially it's caused by the fact that the Horde wins, Stormwind gets wrecked and the other Kingdoms kind of go "Oh shit, the orcs are actually a threat". But I'm deinfiely just being a picky lore-nerd :v
Personally i would have likes more far distance shots to really showcase how vast the world is, kind of like how lord of the rings really showcases the nice scenery, it really adds to the immersion. I Think the movie was too short which made some scenes cut weirdly together and it felt rushed, like instead of showing them travelling and with it the scenery of the world, they just cut to where they need to be most of the time. I am very disappointed that they didn't give the dwarves this really nice scottish accent that we are used to from wow and wc3
Paused the video just to comment this one thing. My neck hurts from nodding along with each and everything you said until now and I'm sure it'll go on for the remaining half of the video. Great content, bro!
Perhaps following specific characters through their own movies would be good. Like Arthas and Thrall. The books are very good. Idk the name Arthas might not draw a lot of attention like "warcraft". Would need a lot of marketing.
I agree with most of your commentary, but found it surprising you glossed over Sam Raimi sandbagging the 'project' for nearly a decade always getting 'busy' with other titles. The payout was likely good though I speculate there wasn't much interest due to video game adaptation stigma. The main problems of the movie were pacing and trying to cram in multiple characters reduced to boring fill-ins. The human's armor and weapons captured the bulkiness, but looked like they were made entirely out of cardboard and never saw use in the battlefield. (too shiny) The most egregious part was the casting and delivery of lines on top of very underwhelming dialogue on the human's side. You could barely tell who anyone was regardless if you had prior knowledge or came into the franchise blind. The combination of retcons and trying to combine a retelling of WC1 with a dose of WoD on top of some adaptation changes clearly meant for general audience appeal. (that garona x lothar scene ouch) They completely nailed the orcs which mostly carried the movie from utterly bland and forgettable to somewhere between passable and above average depending on your critical ratings. The orcs weren't actually retconned with brown skin as Gul'Dan and Ner'Zhul (not featured) were the only ones to our knowledge tainted by the legion yet. It wasn't until WC3 where the orcs drank of Mannoroth's blood did most of them become the familiar green since then. Honestly, the CGI was phenomenal in every place other than the golem in the tower. It's in a weird area where the movie leaned more towards being faithful, but ultimately caved to attempt appealing to the wider audience. It wasn't full on Marvel nor was it that intellectually stimulating so it failed to appeal to critics with mixed reception among general audience. Some fans love it and some have mixed feelings or extreme hate as anything different from the original is an abomination. I feel like they missed their opportunity as the franchise has largely been overshadowed by others and is currently being mishandled as a lazy cash cow. They could have handled the origin story better, but I feel like their best bet was to put all their eggs into the Arthas storyline basket. It would have resonated with most fans and would be fairly easy to digest for general audience as a compelling charismatic relatable, but flawed human descends past a thin moral boundary. As some might compare to Anakin Skywalker, his primary difference was giving in to corruption out of desperation. Our boy Vader goes through pressure and inner turmoil, but he makes a decision to give in to his emotions because he wanted to; not because he was forced to. Despite it's failings it is the best videogame adaptation to date.
"which coworker to SA next" *crylaughs* Agree there was no point altering the lore so much. I view this movie (and the accompanying novel) as an AU. I slightly resent this movie, to be honest. because of this, we will never get a WC3 adaptation. if they had to make a Warcraft movie that wouldn't be successful enough to warrant sequels, they could have at least made it about my boy Arthas. *sigh* Though to be honest, WC3 has so much going on that a series would have been the only way to go. Still, nobody is going to try that now. I do love the orcs though. I would love to see Thrall like this, man. And trolls! Vol'jin at this quality! Holy shit!
We will probably never get it but Arthas movie would be big. Also if we can for the love of God get a properly full Arthas vs Illidan fight properly animated...
I was never a big wow player I enjoyed reading the lore and well I love murlocks and when I saw that the film was playing me and my family went see it and I enjoyed it. Not sure what my family thought though
Literally just found your channel this morning and heard you’d be starting a new series soon. I didnt expect to see it immediately lol. Already love the content coming forward and I cant wait to watch the channel grow!
I watched this movie when it came out on Netflix with NO knowledge of WoW whatsoever. I saw a guy playing it in the early 2000’s and that’s it, that’s my entire knowledge of it. I enjoyed this movie or, at least, I remember enjoying it.
I think this is an excellent analysis of the movie! Very well done. I personally ally love this and have always stood by this statement when asked about it: It’s not a good movie. But it is a good Warcraft movie.
I always said it's a good movie, but needed another 30 minutes runtime to flesh out more details. I brought a friend to watch this in cinema, who never heard of Warcraft, she's not a gamer. And she really enjoyed it too.
I think a movie focused on Arthas would've done really well. But it would clip GoT and the average viewer wouldn't know who or what Ner'zhul and such are.
The awkward live action acting from the humans just made me wish the whole thing was done as an animation and just put some good VA's behind everything.
Haven't really played the games but read a couple of the books by Cristie goldie and although the movie has some weird acting and some bad decisions. For the most part I love the movie.
WoW needs a full cgi series on netflix. Like Arcane but Blizz trailer stye. its the only way to fully get the full fantasy magic and elemental stuff imo
I love this movie. Saw it in cinemas with my dad who didnt understand any of it xD also got the blu ray since it gave me a character portrait in Hearthstone
This was an awesome movie. Sure some of the casting was a bit off but the orcs were brilliantly done and acted. God I wish they would do a Lich King movie!
Duncan Jones is the only part of the movie I don’t enjoy. But I truly believe they should’ve went with arthas cause his story is arguably one of the most original and creative falls from grace in fantasy. The Orc CGI is amazing but they are scaled up to big in my opinion
"All the good writers went to team orc" Me: hmmm, kinda like most servers in WoW...very immersive. on a side note, can't believe how many years it's been since the first warcraft game, I can still remember going home from school then playing warcraft or chip's challenge, kinda sad what's happening to the story and the game.
As much as I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the Warcraft movie, I definitely would not want to see a sequel in collaboration with the current writers at Blizzard
What's wrong with Christie Golden? Because I'm very confident she would be involved with the writing process as the current writer of Warcraft books. I'd say most of the problematic "core" have gone recently, will there never be problems? No, welcome to life, there'll always be assholes. In every company. Everyone raves about FromSoftware games, have you seen their company practices? It's a terrible place to work. We still have Ubisoft, EA, Riot, and this is just the video game world of bad acting companies. Wait until you know what happens in others out there. Are things improving globally? Absolutely, but there's still a long way to go.
For me This movie released little bit late.İmagine they releasing to movie between 2007-2010.When Wow hype was at peak.Also I was expecting Arthas story as live action.He was an interesting and relatable character can pull general audience to this world.
Too bad they botched Arthas in WoW. Not only did they just kill him off like any other raid boss, they kept hinting at his redemption throughout WotLK's quests. Then they added insult to injury by having Uther the Lameass throw him into nothingness, totally disregarding the emotional turmoil that was Arthas' story as though Arthas was just the most purely evil person in all of Warcraft, when obviously he wasn't.
@@TheAustinKendall Looks about as good as Avatar. I think they could have done it way sooner. Especially with the budget they had during the most popular days.
I discussed this with my friends who had only played WoW after we saw the movie on cinema and the thing about the Arthas's story is there's quite a bit of backstory to his whole arc. If you kick off the movie from Warcraft 3's starting point you dont know why orcs are on Azeroth, who is the Burning Legion, who is this Nerzhul guy the undead talk so much about, who is Medivh, who is Thrall and why he is so important. Sure you could try to make a shortened recap because Arthas can hold most of the story together, but you skip over 2 entire games worth of story. There's also the timeframe issue, how much of Arthas can you fit in one movie?, does it include the best parts of his story?. A movie might at best get to when Arthas turns into a DK, or maybe up to when he resurrects KT, and even then you're missing out on the whole Frozen Throne part of the story which is where most of his characterization as a Death Knight happens. There's also the whole Archimonde thing going on along with Arthas's story in WC3 and then we also have to include Illidan in the Frozen Throne storyline Adapting Warcraft 1 was a good idea specially with how it lined up well with the upcoming expansion at the time Warlords of Draenor, introducing many of the older characters that would be present on the MMO and also being a logical start point for the game's story. Even with WC1's story being rather short in comparison to WC3, the movie feels too fast at times and its hard to keep up with everything going on if you're not familiar with the whole setting. Arthas's story would have been far worse for people unfamiliar to the story without the slower pace of a videogame dozens of hours long allowing newcomers to learn about the universe.
@@arforafro5523 Dude İt's not a bad thing to establish story if it is done well.İn Warcraft movie Human kingdom was most boring story ever.Everyone agrees Orc story way more interesting than human.When King died in the end I didnt care less.İf we had an interesting human character like Arthas we could pull to story and wait for next movies.And I agree a simple text of explanation would be enought for new comers with this way people could dive to old games .Now unf series end before start. :(
Despite all the bad in this movie, it is still one of the best video game movie adaptations that have been made. Granted, thats not a very high bar to clear, but we need some moderate successes to show that there is potential.
As a die-hard Warcraft lore fan, this movie was so weird for me. You mentioned Alodi and how confusing that was, but that character's presence was even more confusing from a lore perspective. A man, long dead with his only legacy being the Council of Tirisfall, is showing up in a storyline that has nothing to do with him as...a cube? With an old lady inside? Why did they not use Aegwynn, you know, Medivh's mother and the character whose confrontation with demons directly led to the corruption of Medivh and thus the opening of the Dark Portal? Make the cube a magical artifact of her own design, drop one sentence of exposition to explain it, and bam! You have a much stronger connection with Medivh and a real reason for the character to be aware of Medivh's fall. Moreover, why was Dalaran flying? The only reason Dalaran flies in WoW is because they needed to move the city to Northrend to fight the Lich King in Wrath. If Dalaran is flying, that implies they moved it for some important reason. But that reason was never addressed so it just raised needless questions regarding the lore, distracting from the main plot. And the largest travesty of all was the lack of a strong relationship between Medivh and Khadgar. In Warcraft and in WoW, Khadgar's character is burdened with the responsibility of living up to the legacy of his mentor. There's a whole book, "The Last Guardian" devoted to building the relationship between the two characters as master and apprentice. Elements of this book are present in this movie, with Medivh opening the Dark Portal, being corrupted by demonic influence, and the last showdown in Karazhan. But the two main characters of the book barely get any time together to build the relationship which is so crucial to Khadgar's actions in the future. It was a huge missed opportunity, and they really should have used the time from Lothar and Garona's half baked romance to instead focus on Khadgar and Medivh. Overall I wasn't disappointed in the movie, I was just confused. Between the breakneck pacing and just the random, unnecessary lore changes, I had a hard time actually engaging fully with the movie. That said, I still was interested to see where they would take the story in the future, and I'm sad that they seemingly haven't moved forward with more movies since then.
I agree the crappy romance should have been replaced with a friendship arc between Medivh and Khadgar. Especially since in Warcraft 2 Khadgar comes into his own and is one of the most powerful Mages who is tasked with destroying the Dark Portal.
Dalaran flying was the thing that annoyed me the most. It’s like they wanted to skip to the end without realizing all the cool bits are in the beginning and the middle.
My dad watched it because he remembered back in the day when id play wc2, he enjoyed it, and i didnt mind slugging through it with him. It could have been decent with a few changes.
Aw man this made me remember that my Grandpa really like warcraft as well. He used to keep this promo poster for Warcraft 3 on the door to the computer room. I don't think he ever played but he always said he likes the look of the green guys. I thought the movie was fucking awful but thank you for bringing this memory back to me.
My grandpa watched the movie with me even when he can't tell the difference between a videogame and a tv show or movie He is no longer here, but i'll always remember that he liked medivh
I wish that this movie was more focused on the orcs and their time dreanor. I would have loved to see a movie centered around Gul'Dan betraying the orcs, turning them to the burning legion and ending the movie off when they get to azeroth, I feel like there's enough story there for a whole movie and enough characters to get people involved. I think it would be a harder sell to non fans but I think it would have made for an overall better movie
Yep. It should really have been a "Rise of the Horde" adaptation. Nerzhul getting tricked by KJ and Guldan betraying him and creating the Horde wohld have set up a great universe for sequels up to and through the Lich King
It still keeps me up at night thinking about why the animation team found is necessary to make the orcs the literal size of Tauren. Its such a fever dream of a movie. I feel like they would have been better off animating everything, including the humans.
I was never able to see the orcs as anything but cartoon characters. They were well rendered and animated, but their proportions just took me out of it. There was never a time when I believed that any of it was real. It was all so ridiculous, which is a bad, bad thing to happen when the setting and characters are already so childishly cartoonish. They really, really need to ground it more in reality
One of my gripes is that they never really explained anything about the origins of Fel magic. Not once do I recall them mentioning demon or anything like that, so Medivh suddenly turning into a demon at the end of the movie caught people a bit off guard. As a fan of the series, I knew what was up. I already knew that Medivh was possessed by Mega Warcraft Satan, but some of the people I know who aren't into the series were left scratching their heads as to what Fel magic even is and why Medivh got all spikey all of a sudden. Really, as much as this movie was primarily for fans, they could have done with more world building.
They mentioned a demon to him that talked with gul'dan While someone into warcraft can recognize who it was the plot just left it there I wonder if they left some stuff on the air because they wanted a sequel...
Yeah that was on of my biggest gripes too. They had to do changes there because of China. They could not talk about blood of Mannoroth etc. And they probably also decided to dumb it down further by not including another name like Sargeras.
Wow, okay. You guys need to take a beginner's class to writing. You also need to brush up on Warcraft's story, and I don't necessarily mean the full extent of the lore. Now prepare for a wall of text. The movie depicted the events of the First War. Names like "fel," "Sargeras," "Mannoroth," etc. didn't become relevant until the Third War. In fact, Blizz didn't finalize their concept of "fel" until well into WoW; that's something old school players remember because there was a lot of confusion back in the day over "hellfire" and "fel fire." It's also why warlocks and the Burning Legion were associated with voidwalkers, because it wasn't until later lore that Blizz separated "the void" from "The Twisting Nether," making it an isolated thing more associated with the Old Gods and shadow priests, despite warlocks retaining voidwalker pets. Characters like Sargeras and Kil'jaeden were just footnotes at the time of Warcraft 2, while Archimonde and Mannoroth hadn't yet been created. Adding to the lack of refinement, the quel'dorei were originally depicted with a lunar motif in their debut in Warcraft 2, hence why the capital is "Silvermoon," before Warcraft 3 saw the invention of the night elves, prompting a retconning of the quel'dorei (and later sin'dorei) as having a solar motif, despite retaining the city name. Now, this movie's writing is obviously following much of that revision, but you still need to realize what the *story* is conveying. In the First War, humans had virtually no concept of the Burning Legion and demons, and Medivh was in no way inclined to share that confidential information. Medivh originally didn't even know he was possessed, let alone by whom. The Old Horde didn't even know much about the Burning Legion, its leadership, and its full machinations; the Legion had a habit of appealing to those they corrupted through lies and misinformation. Both Ner'zhul (who should've been depicted as the head of the Shadow Council) and his apprentice Gul'dan didn't even fully understand what they were dealing with until the events of the Second War, by which time Ner'zhul tried backing out while Gul'dan was only further seduced. They were given limited power, which in the First War was mostly depicted with necromancy, as their casters were necrolytes, not proper warlocks. Most of the Alliance's initial information regarding the Legion would be learned by Khadgar in the Second War, and then at greater length as a result of the Legion's invasion during the Third War, where the Legion's leadership became more well known. So neither side would know anything about the origins of fel at this point. We could argue that someone should know about Sargeras because of the later story involving Aegwynn defeating his avatar in Northrend and turning Suramar's Temple of Elune into the Tomb of Sargeras, but that sort of information would've likely been highly confidential, not to mention it wouldn't suggest that Aegwynn and the Council of Tirisfal would know all the relevant information. Aegwynn was a very vain person, not inclined to share her secrets, at that. If Medivh knew anything, he was constantly being controlled by Sargeras, so there's no reason why the titan would want any information leaked if those upon Azeroth were largely ignorant and he had an invasion planned in the near future. Now, from a writing perspective, none of that information is relevant to tell to the audience in the first outing. Why would it be? Information provided in films typically have to be plot-relevant; I don't mean, "They're fighting against fel, so they should know about it." I mean, the only purpose the origins of fel serves in a film script is if there's an effort to neutralize it. If they neutralized fel in the first film, it removes it as a threat in later installments. If fel can't be neutralized, then there's nothing for its explanation to be included. Film writing hinges heavily upon Set Up and Pay Off. If you're going to tell the origin of fel, it needs a viable pay off later in the film. If you're just going to tell the audience its origins just so they know, then you'll end up with an audience who knows something that doesn't actually matter, because knowing it doesn't do anything for them except to burden them with excess information. Likewise, name dropping significant characters who aren't appearing in the film doesn't help the audience, because they're just goofy names that mean nothing to those unfamiliar with the lore. The best way to introduce that information is in later installments, if this movie had succeeded enough to merit more. Most anyone in the audience unfamiliar with the story could obviously tell that the neon green magic is evil because the bad guys are using it (see: "Visual Cues"). So you do the First and Second Wars where the Alliance fights against the Horde's warlocks and felsworn, cementing that neon green magic is bad, and in the third movie where the Legion invades, you have a mage character exposit the information surrounding it because the audience is going to see the demons actually emerge, particularly the big names like Archimonde and Mannoroth. So your need to have that information added for the sake of the uninitiated in the audience doesn't help them, it just sates your need to be the loremaster they can all refer to when they ask for more information. Which, honestly, isn't likely to happen. If they didn't play the games and they were hit with all the unique terminology of the story, they're probably still not going to care because it will just sound like gibberish to them. You're just going to sit there feeling smug because you know it all, but they won't care to ask, deflating your little ego boost.
@@mallios13 Are you serious? You don't think the side that actively used warlocks, plural, during the first war... The side that willingly drank demon blood to gain their iconic green skin (which they had long before the invasion of Azeroth) would know the origin of Fel magic? Look, it doesn't matter how condescending you sound, it doesn't make you right. Maybe you should brush up on your Warcraft history: News flash, Stormwind City burns to the ground at the end of the first game, and the "alliance" is forged by King Terenas in Lordaeron. There are *many* revisions and just inconsistencies in this movie. And if you think it would have been bad writing for Durotan or Doomhammer to at least offhandedly mention "that demon and his fel magic" or how the "Blood of Manneroth" has corrupted their people... Well, maybe you're not as good at writing as you seem to think you are.
@@mallios13 Ad hominem and being condescending does not make you right. The horde first drank the blood of Mannoroth before the fist invasion. Also Medivh's possession by Sargeras is revealed during the events that lead to the battle with Garona, Khadgar and Lothar (I also hate that they did not show that Khadgar aged significantly during the fight). Alodi also had nothing to do with this story. It was Aegwynn that appeared on the visions. The lore might have not been complete during the initial release of the games, but that means nothing. Why would they choose to adapt an incomplete version that could lead to inconsistencies? As for "Set up" and "Pay Off", not everything is about it. Sargeras is one of the biggest villains of the WoW universe. And you are claiming that his name is "irrelevant" and just information? Including him makes huge sense as world building.
Yeah, it's the idea that you'll start on a chapter where everything's already established, so you'll need an exposition to catch people up on at least the foreign world they're being immersed in from the get-go. Not only that, but unlike say Avatar where you have one race to explain, you have Orcs, Night Elfs, Dwarves, gnomes, goblins, dreani, tauren, trolls, undead, etc. Though not to say an exposition couldn't work, heck Lord of the Rings explains most of the races while explaining all the rings of power, ending it on the one ring to rule them all. So, like it can definitely be done, it's just a difficult sell when you have so many key characters to introduce all in one movie. I think they thought they were keeping it small in this film with as many characters as they had and the harsh reality was they probably had to go even smaller than that to properly sell this film. Warcraft 3 has a lot of characters but had a lot of time to flesh everyone out. To do so, even in 3 hours is a stretch, to say the least! Let alone 2 hours! This film had cut scenes that could've benefited staying in the film, and the gripes in film are justified, perhaps they were hoping the movie would be so successful that it would stretch into the Arthas phase and by then all the actors would be 10-20 years older, and sell their roles accordingly. By then you'd be in a 3rd or 4th film at least, if not the 5th or 6th, and people could keep up with the many characters and races in the film, so once Arthas steps in, they can focus more on him than needing to catch people up on the world building and what races live in it or what characters lead them.
I lOVE this movie. I cant really explain why, I just enjoyed the freaking hell out of it. I rewatch it every year. So sad, it wont get a follow up - the Warcraft universe would had provide some damn good storys to tell.
It's just a very fun straight-forward movie. Might not be the most "lore accurate" but it has quite a few nods and does pay enough respect to the source material for any non-snob fan to enjoy.
Not a Warcraft fan in the slightest, but I absolutely love this movie. Duratan is absolutely one of my favorite characters and is legitimately a great role model. His death actually got me emotional. Didn't care for the human story at all because the Orc story was more, human. Also, are you implying that female Orcs aren't attractive because listen, I can't say I agree with Medivh on much but creating a half-Orc, presumably the old fashioned way, is something I can get behind, and in front of, really however she wants. Finally Fuck Gul'dan! All my homies hate him.
Yeah, they really nailed Durotan. As a character that did not really appear in WC1-3, I had no connection with him initially but for a CG character to be portrayed so well really means something. I actually felt something when he died in a silly movie that is full of CG, well done.
@@powersurge_beast I'd take you up on that but MMORPGs aren't really my cup of tea. The world and lore are genuinely interesting and I'd probably enjoy it once I really got into it. I certainly used to really want to play it. But I'm a mediocre tank and terrible at the rest. If I ever find myself in WoW I'll hold you to it
@@christopherjohnson2171 "silly movie that is full of cg" how old are you? Nowadays, the only good cinematic stories are the animated ones, your thinking is old.
How films depict language barriers is one of my favorite little things to look over-that analysis of the orcs and humans negotiating at the end of the Good section fulfilled me a little bit 😂
