WarCraft III: Reforged - What Happened? 

Lost Vikings 1 & 2 was my childhood. 'Preciate the ost use here!

How did you forget the Dreamhack debacle?! :o

Thank you for this!!!

@@TheEDFLegacy I didn't. That happened well after this script was finalized, written, and voice acted.

The Wha Happun? video after this should be Firefall, given that the primary cause of mismanagement and failure there was Mark Kern, former WoW designer and documented jackass that did wonderful things like spontaneously destroying the PvP section of the game because of a random forum post AFTER pouring tons of money into trying to make it an Esport, or wasting millions of dollars funding a full TV studio and customized tour bus for the game.

The Activision merger happened.

Corporate assholes, they always fuck everything

@@MrTherandomguy42 They've been merged since 2008

The three B's (blizzard, bethseda, and bioware) aren't looking to hot

"coolest" Please tell me that's a pun

RIP, brother. Much love from TheLeviathan.

They kind of messed up Starcraft , too. They changed a few things although not as bad as what they did to war three. Like for example they made fog of war not show you the most recent buildings seen. Just what a horrible change to do. They could of changed so many bugs and balance issues but yeah lets change the fog of war that players have been used to for 20 years. At least they didn't straight up RUIN starcraft like Warcraft 3. Just what a disaster. I fear for Diablo 4 and I am still waiting for starcraft 3.... Warcraft 4 would also be nice, but they will probably never make it. Just stupid mobile games.

Man all you're progress for 10 years just gone. Rip

Its like someone giving you a mustang for a birthday present. Then, 20 years later they give you a ford focus. Then when you realise that the ford is shit and decide to go back to the mustang they blow it up so you have no choice but to drive the ford. I feel like thats a pretty good metafor for this

don't worry, if you don't mind the scurvy, you can always pirate it, since it is technically abandonware now.

Agreed. And the worst part of it is that they had to listen to some figurehead give a double-talk, gobbledygook statement. No doubt hard to swallow and stomach.

Espically seen with how many of them worked hard to make the models look good and make certain characters more unique, and not be stuck with a generic model

@@quinnholloway5400 EVERYONE was meant to have non-generic model and even heroes were meant to have multiple models each, what a fucking dumpster fire this rescaling was.

Blizzard: *(Blinks in Morse Code "Help Us. Torture")*

I miss the old days when Blizzard was an awesome company Riot in the old days was an awesome company A few years ago I would have also said Capcom in the old days was an awesome company but they've been rebounding nowadays Many fall like the Roman Empire did, but a few could be like Florence, Italy

Blizzard leadership for sure isn't innocent. Activision itself releases some pretty good games. There may be pushback on the Activision business side to release projects before they are ready. But Blizzard has management of their own that need to be accountable for giving their mark of approval on this game.

@@anthonyt4154 Ubisoft and even EA used to be cool, now look at them.

@@brainfreeze91 "Blizzard leadership" yeah, most of the people that were Blizzard already left the company, so this Blizzard leadership is not made of people of actually Blizzard, but some hollow, "don't you have phones?" and "we are sorry but not really for banning people speaking up against China" kind of drones of Activision.

Welcome to Kitchen Nightmares

What do you guys not have immune systems?

@@pompousproductions Nice one! :-)

*BuT hEy, We HaVe HoSpItAlS rIgHt! EvEryThInG iS gOnNa Be FiNe!*

@@cheezburgrproduction Literally any episode of Kitchen Nightmares ever. Restaurant Owner: My food is perfect and is god's gift to humanity. Literally everyone else is wrong.

I wonder if that battle cutscene where his hair didn't move was also incomplete and almost finished but got rushed out like the rest of the game for being good enough. I can't help but wonder how the artists who worked on every other cutscene that got scrapped feels too.

@@nexus3756 Honestly, what you just said couldn't be much more inaccurate if you tried... The indie market is a saturated cesspit for the most part, with the overwhelming majority of projects not brining in nearly enough to provide for yourself, let alone a family. And not to mention the vast majority of artists and programmers are doing that job because THAT is the job they want to do, NOT run a company. Trying to run your own (actually successful) game studio requires a lot of work and effort completely separate from normal game development work. Then there's also the fact that many indie game companies are actually more unreliable than the Big Evil Corporations®. The list of indie companies that have ripped off devs and/or investors and/or crowdfunding backers is virtually endless. Or when a company is run by someone in way over their head and very suddenly runs out of money long before anything worthwhile forms and you're suddenly out of a job and nothing to show for it on a resume.

@@darkshadow851 You say that now, but when the AAA bubble bursts the industry's unemployment rate is going to skyrocket.

@@KaiserMattTygore927 "AAA bubble" ? The concept of large company driven, "AAA" game development has existed for most of the time video games themselves have existed. Pretty sure that's not how a "bubble" works.

Yep. This was entirely the fault of the higher-ups who called the shots on what would be and wouldn’t be included in the product. Not surprised, though, considering all the main leaders (including its founders) and creative minds (like Metzen) that made Blizzard into one of the best reputed studios in the business have all left by 2019. Now it’s a bunch of dumbfucks that obey whatever that piece-of-shit Kotick tells them.

@Username you're right. But this is not an excuse for their crying bitch policy. Blizz didn't take the risk which is a totaly normal choice. Why blame the others after?

@Inconnou .Inconnu Just a reminder to people who think they're smart. Look up the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

If karma existed, all of the execs and managers pushing for it would have gotten hit by a bus the moment they walked out of the meeting after deciding, "Nahhhh, we don't need half these features we promised. That'd cost too much. Oh, let's also not tell anyone so we still make tons of sales." ...

@@DaveUnknown I think you mean superiority complex. Iirc the Dunning-Krueger effect is the opposite, where you underestimate and don't believe that you are smart enough/ have enough skill to do something.

@@dantethewanderer4989 You only describe 1 half of the Dunning-kruger effect. The full thing simplified is that dumb people think they are smart because they don't know any better. Smart people also tend to underestimate themselves because they assume what they have is common knowledge. Really though, look up the stuff, it strange how human nature works.

It is a duty to break it c:

This comment aged depressengly well

Indeed

2022: the reforging has begun... Xbox style

And it gets worse

@@wyatthaley3515 mind if I adk how it gets worse?

I was slowly working my way to the end of the campaign on hard difficulty. On and off over months I had made it to the undead campaign of Frozen Throne. Now all of that progress is gone and I can't bring myself to replay it because of how disappointed I am in reforged.

@Mr VT Yeah and we he contacted blizzard their response was "well you can play again when you get a better computer! : D".

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I have the original CDs (wish I had them for D2 and OG SC still); this is why I never loaded anything on to Battlenet. Everyone has been making a huge deal of always being online, access to backups, etc. Now we know it's not all roses.

@Lesbian Seagull Happy to hear it! They don't deserve our money anymore, until they change their ways. I actually pre-ordered WC3R, based on their performance of their work on Starcraft: Remastered, thinking "they couldn't possibly ruin a classic game!" Oops.

Oh no, so scary, sponsors in a video! I can't skip ahead or anything, too scary!

brentstah it’s a joke, prick

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brentstah Bruh, chill out

What?can you explain i cant understand HAHAHA

Nvm HAHAHAHA

And the reason Reforged deleted old versions of everyone's legal Warcraft 3 copies was: to prevents another DOTA from getting away

Seems like blizzard has a history of doing things without bothering with consent.

What I heard is you cannot delay the product more then a year after purchase. It was available for pre-purchase in 2019, and the delay (which they totally did) was a really short one.

ActivisionBlizzard doesn't care about fans. It only cares about the shareholders, and shareholders HATE delays.

but money

But who cares what the fans want, right? ActiBlizz and their investors wanted their money NOW!

When will activision learn that Blizzard didn't get to where it was by shoving out shoddy products NOW.

"You think you know what you want, but you don't."

It's actually common among the gaming industry. every time a game is released and poorly recieved, it's always blamed on the fans first and foremost. Companies really hate admitting when they fucked up.

@@TheUbberman In some fairness, that's not a baseless philosophy; while taking feedback into account is a good idea, a lot of things that fans don't initially ask for or want can end up being better than just doing whatever they say. Look at Wind Waker's graphics versus Twilight Princess's; at the time, people hated Wind Waker's look and wanted the realistic game, and Twilight Princess provided that. But nowadays, most people will say Wind Waker looks a lot better than Twilight Princess, because that cartoony cel-shaded aesthetic managed to age a lot better than mud, bloom, and three-gen-old polygons. Of course, most people just use it as an excuse to do really dumb shit in the name of "creative vision", which is also incidentally the vision where they do less work.

"We are sorry that you think you deserve a product we promised you to give"

"I'm sorry you didn't like my actions". It's typical manipulative behavior.

"pretend"?

They're renaming their company to something more appropriate to their goals and mindset: China Entertainment.

Its a call of duty Launcher now

Their just not in the ground yet.

Blizzard _did_ die. Let's not forget that Activision kicked out many of Blizzard's original employees before Reforged. It's not Blizzard in its essence anymore. It's just an empty shell of what it once was being barely kept standing by Activision's strings.

I'm a little late to the game, and I'm actually thinking about doing a series of videos on the rise of the RTS genre, so please, what happened?

Blizzard: "Damn the fans! Nothing shall stop me from having my few extra dollars and that sweet Chinese dick to suck!"

this is golden

Is money that important to you? Blizzard: yes.. money is more important fak u!! You don't know anything..Buy our game , quit complaining and shut up...oh and remember we at blizzards apreciate your feedback

I mean, they aren't wrong. At least no one should have any expectations from Blizzard from now on.

@@ChrisLT To who? and by how much? because I didn't hear about that nor did most people I know (I also didn't buy the product because i've been more than disappointed by Blizz over the last 16 years)

@@ROBOTPETER101 Good point XD

@@KaiserMattTygore927 They did inform millions of people last year and all news sites were talking about scrapped things

@@almas4663 I mean, if you have an article link, do send it here. Because I've been hungry for more reforged news pre launch and I've found absolutely nothing other than the reveal stuff.

Frame this. All that he ignored from then and now.

MULTIPLE tourny games were getting desynced until they said fuck it and took off the reforged graphics Even TODAY the same thing happened on B2W stream TWICE IN A ROW, then for once the admins decided to take off the reforged graphics

It is because the game wasn't properly stressed-tested for netcode. Desyncing is just a plain embarrassment these days. This isn't early the 1990s where you were stuck with peer to peer models (where a packet drop/loss could kill a game).

@@Krogoth512 nope. It's just because there is no more lan game feature for lan tournaments. "Who needs that" they said.

May he never be forgotten, brave warrior of European lands

What is it with everyone's dad being godly at warcraft 3

@@celeb-seventeen probably cuz the game was out before most of us were born (2005)

@@celeb-seventeen Seems they want to make us feel old.

Those reforged graphics arent worth anything thats for sure.

Old Blizzard has been gone for a very long time now.

Scrap the Blizzard part from that, because it's Activision in the corpse of Blizzard.

You mean it's like a death knight but instead it's goal is to suck.

Timothy Grzeczka I’ll mail them a letter with coronavirus powder in your name

@@TommyDeonauthsArchives Your loss. When I was teenager and me and my friends were having a BLAST in Diablo 2 - those were precious times. Running around neighborhood and coming back home only to 'meet' with my friends again playing Diablo. Only to be screamed on by parents for 'not doing homework and cleaning' :) As we grow older we realize that sadly big corporations destroy passionate companies that produce games. It wasn't a suprise for me..

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto Though it can go too far... After all: "Hold my beer" - Duke Nukem.

That was proven to stop being the case with Diablo 3. Diablo 3 launched on May 15th, 2012. It's almost the 8 year anniversary of Error 37. *shudders*

Me tri

It's made me realise that sometimes, a lot of ire is misdirected. EG: man, the original Sonic Boom could have been great. It is NOT the Dev team's fault.

calemr it’s kinda fascinating how many ways there are for a game to become a disaster

I can't really get into his content much myself, and it wasn't until watching this video that I could finally put my finger on it as to why; it's the stuttering/confused mutterings in a pre-scripted video. I'm fine with that sort of thing being done live, but when you are reading from a script and doing it on purpose, it just annoys me. I watched this video simply because I hadn't really watched anything on this disaster beyond Jim Sterling's coverage on it.

Aliens: Colonial Marines and the 2 Silent Hill episodes were the best

You don't need a launcher to click an executable lmao. No need to meat ride Valve

What happened to HotS? I got permanently banned some years ago for being "toxic", and i stopped following the game

@@muculatomic Blizzard withdrew major support from the game, it's still going, but the only new things are mounts, skins, and very rarely heroes. I am pretty sure they even withdrew the guy who was voicing the hype trailers for the new features, leaving an eerie silence in the videos.

muculatomic How were you toxic? You can turn off chat.

@@redpandaluver8561 you know how little funding a game is getting when they can't afford a narrator for the hype video.

@@jdev2288 I know that, but i'm stupid and i didn't

Sounds like men with schizophrenia... which actually pretty legit in that situation

@@renewagain6956 Fight Club much? XD

@@morganaensland1105 I am Brack's complete lack of surprise

you haven’t played diablo immortal

@@baldanders Isn't it weird that the only class from 3 not in Immortal is the black one? What do you think the Chinese meant by this?

That's just not true

@@weaslyhills4466 It is tho

It's both of them ruining themselves

You are probably right. Doubly sad though since Blizzard made record profits the previous year. Activision really is squeezing everything out of Blizz before leaving it to die.

@@lookingforsomething yess ACTIVISION constantly ruins blizzard

After hearing the allegations against Activision blizzard, including how many Male employees were blackout drunk, it makes more sense why the game failed to deliver.

I stopped running the Blizzard Launcher some time after Heroes of the Storm became infected with the Overwatch lootboxes and put RNG between me and the shit I would've liked. These days I've been looking into mods of Blizzard's older titles. Currently playing Belzebub (a.k.a. Diablo 1 HD), and it's pretty fun even if every boss is hilariously overtuned.

Blizzard died in 2012 when Activision took them over.

Blizzard has ruined everything. And it really upsets me since i used to play their games all the time. Blizzard better be lucky that cod mw isn't on steam

@@TheschwartzB No, Blizzard didn't die when Activision took over. It was beaten, it's bones removed and replaced with wood, then the tortured and crippled lump of living flesh was paraded around for a few years quite well by the Puppetmaster, since barely anyone noticed the change.

@@OzixiThrill I'll have to disagree. People felt the change, we just could not explain it back then. There's a reason why subscriber numbers in WoW flat-lined. The last pre-Activision content with the old design philosophy was released (Ulduar) and the new motto (accessibility) took over. And then the growth stopped. It's just that the continued high quality allowed us all to overlook it. And with every burning Blizzard employee leaving the company, that old soul got lost a little more. That's why it wasn't an immediate wake-up call. We were slowly boiled like the frog in cold water.

It did?!?! I hadn't heard that part, that's one of the worst things it could do!

It's to bad you don't own the work you put into those maps anymore. Also, inb4 those maps you saved just straight up don't work after they patch custom campaigns in.

Don't worry, there's a few.

It's really a blessing to be alive at a time like this. We were just yesterday experiencing the dawn of concretely entertaining gaming, and now... "Paid: Shadow Legends" and "Warcraft: What-the-forged" are here to push its downfall. Hah...

Yeah. Always wanted to know more about that mess of a series.

Now they're trying to revive the series. I hope they don't mess it up.

For me C&C4 is still the worst game I've ever played fuck that piece of shit.

Cnc4 was originally some chinese knockoff that they decided to make 4 for no reason.

@mayrana2 C&C and Red Alert Remasters being done by Petroglyph (former Westwood Studios guys) would argue with you.

Thank you for the correction. It just didn't strike me that people still might own the CDs.

@Daniel Heidenreich 7J88FH-YYWE-MXFYT2-GDDR-2D6D44 use this one (Not mine). Just don't be an ass and don't try to log into Blizzard, the CD keys are now part of the user account and if you get banned you will cause the owner to lost his account too.

Jesus I'd rather just Download it illegally elsewhere than deal with that Reforged nonsense.

@@mattbrady2011 The second option is technically a illegal method if you use someone else CD key and it's the only way of getting Warcraft up to 1.31 with no reforged (1.31 is important because a lot of custom content won't work in lower versions). Btw, if you download it with the second method you can use the same CD key, just don't link it to Battle.net

For anyone who wants to go with the second option install this mod: www.moddb.com/mods/warcraft-rebirth/downloads/warcraft-rebirth-sixth-release It updates models, terrain, unit portrays and environment, it looks really good.

if it will be like War3 please do not

I heard that it will be Reforged again in the next century and it might be good.

I think it needs more than a reforge. It needs to be smashed to atoms!

A union isn't going to stop corporate from releasing half-assed products, it just ensures devs get proper pay and benefits

@@sable8716 Still an improvement.

Sable That’s still a good thing, especially considering the awful crunch culture in the game development industry.

No, that'll just make it harder to fire incompetent devs.

@@sharpasacueball This project isn't because of incompetent devs. It's become of incompetent leadership.

Personally, I think that statement is a bit outdated. In the past it was true, and a rushed game certainly will be bad and generate hate, but thanks to updates and patches, the idea of a game being "forever bad" is no longer true as games such as Rainbow six seige, star wars battlefront 2, and of course No Man's Sky all being games that were dissapoint upon release, but are now generally well received thanks to updates.

@@phabiorules It's really not that outdated. Just because a game can be overhauled, doesn't mean it'll get better... and even if it does, that doesn't mean people will flock to it. No matter the about of updating and patching you do, you will ALWAYS only ever get one first impression and most people will tell a company to go fuck themselves if they screw up that first impression no matter what they do. No Man's sky is a good example of a game fixing itself, but for every no man's sky (Which isn't even that popular even now) there's 2 or 3 completely forgotten games trying to claw their way back from the depth they put themselves in.

That statement is outdated since stuff like no man's sky is amazing now

@@Pookie2112 But it wasn't on launch day and people even to this day still have that ugly first impression in mind. If they wanted the game to be a big hit from the beginning maybe they shouldn't have rushed it out the door, to begin with. Hence why, my initial statement is still valid and up-to-date.

I agree the statement is outdated, it should be "A delayed game is eventually good, unless it gets messed up later by a remaster. A rushed game is bad forever"

I trust Arc sys

I trust Nintendo to an extend

Mayhem Man The only problem is the netcode but I agree

Blizzard is dead, it's Activision wearing its rotting corpse.

@@mauvevisive7250 arc sys are middle market when self publishing, and just devs when developing lol

Are ya coding son?

C O N S U M E T H E C U M C H A L I C E

YANDERE DEV! YANDERE DEV! *WHERE'S THE FUCKING GAME*

*sip* ahh

Big nose gang wya

That disaster will be amazing

@@jayjax229 It may be a scam, but isn't it in a much more advanced state now?

[ROBLOX OOF]

This is the final boss of this whole series... and it will be glorious

I wouldn't be so sure. The development team has only just reached the size of what Rockstar has working on GTA V last year. It's taking a long time, sure, but for half a decade, they were only a small handful working on a massive undertaking. Edit: Half the size of GTA's team

lol

Honestly if you squint your eyes and shine a light your eyes. You could say it's clear skies for blizzard

I thought that was the motto for DNF...

How we doin a further 3 months on

@@cptsteele91 Still exactly the same LMAO

Hey guys how's it now lol

@@Francis-ht5td Similarily shitty. Current patches didnt really fix much. Reforged is collection of all we didnt need, neither wanted, while actual issues like desyncs, bad performance especially on heavier custom maps where its even more cpu limited(and doesnt use multithreading almost at all.) are ignored. We needed engine rewrite to fix performance and raise limits and gentle remaster of visuals, not this Raid shadoe legends remakester abomination... Old dub us still gone but just like prior there is a way to restore it for yourself if you have classic version files.

@@Francis-ht5td As for the game its limping along with samey player numbers on custom maps as before reforged, some people returned, but its far from ideal. Some communities suffered and gave up tho. Roleplay maps are very rarely played anymore due to desyncs ruining games.

True, try playing the original on WIn10 nowadays.... the sea and lakes turn purple and the original 800x600p gets stretched out to a hillarious deegre. XD

@@maoh0183 lmao yeah tryin to fast castle players when ur tc takes up half the screen. Feels

They're both dogshit companies that prop up nonces and ponces

Path of Neo was great tho

Their idea of removing cinematic cutscenes from trailer is to follow fan feedback and preserve the content of the original game. Meanwhile on ending battle between Illidan and Arthas: instead of using updated model and animation techniques to make a more epic showdown, they shoved a generic CGI cutscene...

Yep. HI3 definitely has better cinematic cutscenes. Like that one with Herrscher of the Void, God Kiana.

Bethesda for how much of an ass hole todd howard is, Blizzard for how much pure shit they spew out and bioware for completely losing their way with management and where they want there games to go, its a hard choice to make for sure

Probably Bioware. The garbage Bethesda and Blizzard put out might have been bad, but at least they don't have "stress casualties". Devs wanna make garbage, cool, that's on them, personal decision, not one I'd reccomend, but they're free to make it. Devs wanna abuse their employees, hell no. Those are human beings just trying to live their lives. That's not just a questionable decicions, that's actual villainy at the expense of the well-being of others. It wouldn't matter if the thing Bioware made WASN'T hot garbage, they'd still be scum.

I think I'll let Gunnery Sergeant Hartman answer this one for me. "You are *all* equally worthless."

If they're just going to be this lazy, I shouldn't have to pay 30 bucks for it.

I saw the 2018 footage and then later during the Strathlome campagin map release and knew it would be shit when I realized they would do everything they could to shove as much WoW shit in WC3

A very broken and buggy ladder lmao.

We should start calling them 'Flurry' instead of Blizzard.

I play WoW since it’s release. Burning Crusade and WOTLK brought good elements to questing and PVE, but the game took a serious downfall since BC. People just rushed to get max level, which meant the game was almost meaningless and empty before attaining max level... I tried playing some other expansions since then : Mist of Pandaria and Shadowlands. Their stories are so cringe and generic it’s funny lol. I always played Vanilla WoW on private servers since WoW Classic was released, and I’ll get back to Vanilla. The retail game is absolute garbage made for inpatient/uninested kids that want the reward without the work.

Just go pirate. At this point companies are begging for it. When I played unreal tournament we had 200? 300? maps? 60 skins? modding comunity throwing stuff at us. Devs delivering more than promissed. It was so ez to copy discs but people bought the game. I had copies of my favourite games like AoEII W3 (rts) Half Life, etc... If I bought something I expect it to be mine forever. But in reallity companies are all like apple, you don't own anything can't do anything you want with the product. Either use it as the company tells you or they'll hammer down. Now everything you pay, it's RENTED. ON LEASE. Companies can take anything you bought away from you whenever they want. Now should be the time where private servers boom all over for everygame. (But even then I've seen a lot of drama with greedy private wow server managers so...) Humans...

Since chances are if this situation affects you, you own the original game anyway go ahead and pirate it, you're literally just using a product that you've purchased

And even turned down Icefrog multiple times when he offered to make Dota for them.

Well, they could make "Premium maps" like in StarCraft 2. But who the hell cares about StarCraft 2? This game was dead since the beginning and it was made just to be the last game of the genre. Ok, you could make the same mechanic as in custom maps, just redo the models and rename characters, just like DotA 2 got away with it.