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It does sadden me to see when unique races, characters, lore and more be slowly forgotten. Though on the flip side it brings a smile upon my face to see when Platinum makes another video shining some light on more lore of the Warcraft Universe.
@@UltimateGamerCC it was mostly how they wasted an amazing chance of development with the Amathet. I was invested in that "titanic creatures uprising to return order to the world" concept. It felt like they could have been so much more, instead of a bunch of half baked quest chains and an event. Hell, the king of the Amathet was a fucking rare mob, and even in their own quests they get played by the Old Gods, to the point some random mob in Ny'alotha is called Amathet too. Sich a cool concept (much like the mantids) ruined by not wanting to nurture new potential threats instead of just forcing them into cannon fodder material.
In the Paragon of the Klaxxi fight, Kil'ruk, the first mantid paragon you awaken, is the only one who doesn't threaten you. Before the fight, he gives you a warning(the other paragons mention this before the fight). He is also the LAST paragon that engages you, almost as if he is hesitant. As if he actually likes the player character and doesn't want to kill us because he's been with us the longest. My headcanon is that Kil'ruk only takes up his blades against us because we already killed several of his brothers and realizes he has a choice, let his brothers all die, or kill the player character.
yeah, the rep bar never goes down from fighting them or any other Mantid, they understand and respect that we are fighting on different sides, even if that makes us enemies.
Its because Mantid value strengh above all, if they fight a Pandaren that slays a lot of them, they won't kill him so that they can train against him in the next swarm (or his progeniture). They're respectful and ask the same treatment in return, they want people to respect their cycle and lifestyle because its their only goal in life. Kil'ruk has a deep appreciation for the main character and praises its strenght, he doesn't want to kill you because it would be such a waste !
Yes, correct. It made me sad to kill them, because they were respectful and understood what "honor" is. But we ended up on opposite sides. He himself says in one of the quests that he is "proud" to fight alongside you. And before he dies he says "Well fought, Wakener. We will meet again..." SoO was wonderfully designed, but also a very sad raid, because we had to kill characters which were a part of our journey - The Fallen Protectors, Nazgrim, Paragons, even Garrosh himself.
One thing you forgot to mention about the mantid in Battle of Azeroth is they were led by a new queen who was the daughter of the one from MoP. But unlike her mother who was controlled by the Sha of Fear, she joined N'zoth willingly, because the mantid worship the Old Gods. She also became a world boss during the Mantid Assault.
@@pastelprincess2018 Oh they do. But it's the Old Gods being dormant and the Mantid still say they will join them because it's the right coice that makes the mantid seem willing.
I really love all the insectoids from Warcraft's history: the silithids, the A'qir, the Klaxxi, and the Nerubians. I was so disappointed that we didn't actually get to go into the Nerubians' kingdom in Wrath, and keeping hoping for a return to these buggy bois in the future.
Maybe a void expansion could bring us there sometime? With the recent underground zone they just made, doesn’t seem too far out of reach to finally get to see their kingdoms in full. I’m truly hoping with Galakrond potentially coming back, maybe his ties to the void and old gods could tie in the void expansion finally? All just fan speculation. Don’t even play retail anymore but I can’t say I’ll ever stop watching where the story goes! Cheers
@@peeko_luxx2873 With the recent human heritage armor quest showing that Blizzard *can* actually pick up decade-old plot threads and weave them into a compelling story, it gives me hope that they'll continue to do that in the future.
The Nerubian tunnels were actually cut content that was intended to be a huge underground zone in Wrath. They didn't have time to finish them, so Ahn'Kahet and Azjol'Nerub are all we got to see.
@@modelcitizenvlad Yeah. Considering that the still-living Nerubians are out there, somewhere, it would be interesting to see them make a comeback if there's ever a resurgence of the Old Gods. And maybe, finally, we'd get to see Azjol'Nerub in all its modern glory.
There is a reason why I modeled one of my most successful Empires in Stellaris after the Mantid, their lore and story is really cool, and it really fits with the whole "Tree of Life" origin in the game.
I think a major point of annoyance for me with the way Blizzard writes expansions, is the throwaway races they add every expansion and then NEVER revisit in future works. There are so many things they could do with some of these races if they just took the time to weave them into a larger narrative over more than one expansion.
Yeah i can see the mole people never ever mattering again. Though in fairness I like that drogbar pop up here and there again. I think it would’ve just been a bit better to see a drogbar city in the dragon isles because they’re already fairly well established
or broken lore quest, we still do not have a conclusion on the quest with th orphan child with the toy dragon, in the cavens of time, that the dragon gards want to kill, for somthing she will do or not do in the future. I cant imagen that the orginal quest creator still work at Blizzard, or the lore note is preserved, after all this time.
@@Bardock059 they were very much a neutral race in WoW, sadly we ended up against them because like all other bugs they had become servants of the void. i was saddened that we had to fight them as well.
@@UltimateGamerCC - What exactly do you mean by "neutral"? They were ALWAYS on the Old Gods' side, it's explicitly stated. They simply accepted our help against a common threat, while still waiting for their masters' return as usual. Even when exalted with them they threaten you with death if you don't join their side when the time comes. lol
@@mokarokas-1727 and yet when you chose to stand strong to your beliefs, and defeat them in combat, rather than curse you in death, they give their respect. they serve the Old Gods but when they werent actively trying to take Azeroth, the Mantid merely focused on strengthening their empire. just because they willingly side with the void, it doesnt make them inherently evil, just like the Warlocks who flirt with the dark powers of the Fel.
@@UltimateGamerCC - Considering the Old Gods' goal is pretty straight-forward and the Mantid live only to be ready to fulfill it (not using their powers for good or anything), I'd say they're very clearly disciples of an inherent evil. They can still be evil without being raving psychopaths who spit curses at you. =)
Honestly, their straight forwardness with everyone makes them likeable. "Wakener, when the time comes, we hope you join our side" and the "well fought, wakener" makes it seem like it's an honor for them to die by your hand. This makes sense considering their survival of the fittest mindset.
N’zoth really should have had his own expansion where we saw the rise of all the old gods’ worshippers, like mantids, assaulting the Alliance and the Horde on all sides.
5:38 one of my favourite scenes in the lore. After skipping through all of the quest text to exalted, hearing the Paragons basically telling the player "hey, we're cool after all those dailies, but we're actually really bad guys" was really interesting and made me go back to find out their lore.
God damn that was one stellar voice performance by the Mantid ! props to whomever voiced him and also to those in charge of the effects ! I really appreciate the amount of worldbuilding and lore and how much care was given to them back then, I love MoP for these reason more then gameplay itself !
The Mantid were easily one of my favorite races lore wise that have ever been added to WoW. So happy to see a video on them! I was so sad when we had to kill the Paragons in the Siege of Orgrimmar but like they said…we mantid serve a purpose far greater than theirs or their gods. On the real though, it is insane that the Pandaren managed to live in a land dominated by 3 of the strongest races that possibly ever lived on Azeroth (mogu/mantid/Zandalari). The story of the Shado-Pan is also extremely badass.
I was one of those people who got really invested in the mantid as a concept and was sad when they never really got explored further. Particularly the paragon Kil'ruk's dying words of "we will meet again" always got me theorizing where and when we would see the paragons again, whether it would be in often hinted at Nya'lotha or the Shadowlands. Unfortunately both have come and gone and these words have still yet to be followed up on.
The mantid are one of my all-time favorite races from WoW, and I loved questing with and getting to know the Paragons with their different personalities. They were one of the few examples I enjoyed them both as enemies to slaughter or allies to help. And thus, I was so upset when the Paragons became raid bosses; yes, they were psychotic, but they were my friends too! In my head canon I saw the bow that drops from them as a parting gift to my hunter who quested with them, and to this day she still proudly wears the title Wakener. Thank you for this video covering them and reminding me of the good times I had with them and the fan fiction I wrote about them!
It's really funny since they even fully admit that they are NOT your friends - come the return of the Old God's they're happy to return to their old worship, that being said they hope you heed their warning and join them, as helpful as you've been for sustaining their race. So when they see you in that raid it's a mix of disappointment and understanding - you were given that choice and you've made that choice, so it's the Wakener versus the very Paragons he rescued - insects you got to know but alas know they knew fully well it would come to blows eventually. And that's what I love about the Mantid. They're unapologetic about their origins but pragmatic in the current age. If only BFA capitalized on potential schism and concerns after the tragedy of their empire during MoP...
Mists of Pandaria was underrated and I hate that people pretended to hate it so much while it was live. It arguably had some of the best writing out of most of the expansions. Also... I figured Scythid were just regular ass animals, seeing as they were only present in maybe 1/5 of the entire map of Dragonflight lol. I spent so long in the bad fanfiction that was Shadowlands that I forgot to associate bugs with the Old Gods.
I just feel like what people remember the most about MoP was how homogenised and samey all the classes got with all the changes along with how incredibly unbalanced PvP was. Oh and also pandas. Overall the expansion was actually pretty good. Same with WoD, Warlords is imo a great expansion just let down by its unfulfilled promises and cut content. The leveling experience in WoD is probably the best expansion ever released and it also has probably the best raid ever put out in Blackrock Foundry. Hellfire Citadel is also an all time great raid.
@@Noobie2k7 Idk I thought the classes themselves weren't that bad off (PVE-wise since I don't like PVP and can't speak much on it). The talent system made me unhappy, and I will give credit to people complaining about that. The absence of actual builds was a very real issue. WoD was definitely a massive blow for cut content though, you're right. We were supposed to fight orcs, not demons. Blackrock Foundry was so damn cool in both design and execution, absolutely. I'm glad I'm not the only one that had positive feelings for portions of that expansion.
Except garrosh. I mean they really did the horde too dirty and that was 50% of their base. The bombing of the ramirez was bad itself and t was made worse.
@@badrinath5306 Garrosh was never ready to lead, he was too brash and bloodthirsty. Thrall made a huge mistake the day he gave the reins to Garrosh. and when even the Horde wouldnt go along with his shit, he formed his own Horde and tried to eradicate us all. for a time i thought that Garrosh had honor, but he showed us that he had inherited a lot of the bad blood that enslaved his father.
As i was majorly disappointed in Cata, when MoP got released i quickly jumped on the bandwagon of hate, but learned to love it. It is actually the last expansion i played through completely and can honestly say it is one of the best WoW experiences i got.
To be totally honest a whole mantid themed expansion would be cool. They could do some shit like the zerg in SC, or it would be neat to play with them as a playable race.
Thank you for doing a video on the Mantid! They’re my favorite race in WoW and I’ve gotten 4 characters fully to exalted with them and I plan to do more. I really hope they’re utilized if the old gods come back up, and Kil’ruk has a line about meeting us again, maybe the Paragons could be revived 👀 I’d love to see them again, even if it is as tragic raid bosses.
Bruh, I'll bet money Le'shin knew damn well the mantid would fly over the wall. He's the Thunder King. Having an entire army of bugs flying in the air, pretty much made them easy targets for him to obliterate. So at least while he was around, it wasn't that bad an idea.
I didn't play MoP, but as I came back to the game for WoD and leveled through the Dread Wastes I ended up being really interested in the klaxxi stuff and returned later to finish the reputation (for the mount) but I loved their story too. The old god reveal was some cool shit. Really hope to see them again, definitely one of my favorite races/factions.
I grinded their reputation to exalted and got my Amber Scorpion mount when that content was still current and it was one of the few factions where I actually enjoyed doing the daily quests.
Hey Platinum! Something you overlooked about their role in Visions of N’zoth! After N’zoth emerged he resurrected the slain Klaxxi and empowered them with the void. We never actually fight the Klaxxi however and presumably they’re still in the Dread Wastes
One of the best memories i have in wow was exploring this gaint wall in pandaria. and falling off of it. i didnt know where the exit was, nor did i have any quests here. i was underleveld and my hearthstone was on cooldown. didnt know any1 who could teleport me, nor did i have the items for it yet. so i moved south, trying too find the gate. eventualy while running from some mobs i came across a cave where one of the paragons was held. i freed him and he led me too the klaxxi`s base, where i finaly found a flightmaster! in thanks, they became the only rep i raised too exalted in all of MoP ^^
It always gave me a smile when entering the paragons fight in SoO and then recognizing the wakener. All those dailies from early on gave me a slight nostalgia.
I started my journey during MoP and I loved the expansion for the most part. The Klaxxi were my first reputation grind since I got quite invested in the Lore behind them and wanted to know more, The Mantis and Mogu were very interesting and well implemented unfortunately they were yet another race to be forgotten and left behind. I'm curious if they will make a retcon regarding N'zoth or Y'sharaj(?) and give the Mantis another chance to shine.
Logically they´re probably in absolute shambles, massive losses during MoP with the Sha of Fear/Paragons siding with Garrosh, and then mere years later their relatively fresh Empress gets put down during the Nzoth incursions where they threw their lot in again. People forget that new Empress you get into power during MoP was a worldboss at the end of BFA.
Imagine that due to the mantids' increase of strength after each swarm that a paragon wakes up to find, he's only as strong as your average foot soldier
The Mantid are one of my very fave factions. Pandaria's lore is underrated as it is, but these guys were especially awesome The first faction in Pandaria I got to Exalted for the title, iirc This Wakener would've totally joined them
Man I love MoP lore, it was so cool to bring back Y'shaarj in form of 7 different beings and actually kill them one after another throughout the expansion. It gave lot of the content a nice continuation and more investment than say the current last boss of Abberus raid who's name i can't even remember, and he's seemingly communicating/drawing power from some old gods which should be pretty damn exciting, yet i'd rather fight another Sha or Sha-controlled mantid.
Considering that the visage form of Iridikron the madeup new earth dragon villain.... is a Qiraji bug person; I think we will see more of the bug people. Maybe not the mantid necessarily, but the nerubians and qiraji could return.
The Mantid stand out to me as as Warcraft villains in that they truly feel like a noble adversary. They honor your help to them but make it clear where their allegiances lie and warn you that they WILL stand against you when the time comes. And when that time came and were defeated, they praise your valor for being willing to fighr the battle they warned you against.
This is a great video, i have always loved these bug guys since i returned to WoW durning MoP and its great to see the lore all in one place. keep up the great work
MoP is probably my top, maybe second, expansion. The mantid and Klaxxi were so awesome and I enjoyed following their story and eventually becoming their enemy. I'm with yah on being upset at their lack of additional use.
Before mists I never really paid that much attention to any new lore beyond what I knew from warcraft 3, not really understanding why i helped these bugs while killing the rest, then I hit exalted because I wanted the scorpion mount and got the warning and I suddenly found I actually cared now about this story and started going more into the lore. Its still one of my favorite parts of wow since for making me genuenly interested in the new lore
Surprisingly, the mantid are great herb farmers. Although they love to haggle prices, their unique strains native to Townlong Steppes really pack a punch! 🌿🌿🌿
More videos please. Your videos are insightful, drawing and awsome as far as content and how playful and entertaining they are to me and other viewers I'm almost certain. Thank you for your content.
Mogu and Mantid remain the only new enemy factions that were added to WoW instead of riding on the RTS's coattails that felt like they could really stand on their own legs and were underutilized. Sucks that they never really made it out of the expansion - Leishen and the Mantid were super interesting. Wasn't a huge fan of Pandaria as a backdrop thematically, but the writing in it was far better than any other expansion before or after.
Klaxxi is the only questline I remember from WoW. It was actually good. I played a ton of that game while slowly hating it more and more, mostly because most of my favorite people were hardcore into it and I enjoyed playing a 'bad' game with them more then something I preferred with strangers.
The mantid never joined Garosh, they were just drawn to the heart of the old god. They were basically raiding Orgrimmar the same time the players were.
I wonder how creepy it will be if we were to see Aqir Centipedes? The typical centipede can wrap itself around prey item, so this will be a huge disadvantage for player characters.
I always thought the Mantid were really cool and it was aweaome that you could actually earn their respect. That speech about Y'Shaarj tho takes the cake. Its omnious and makes you scared of the Old Gods and even Y'Shaarj himelf even though you *know* he's canonically dead. Its also easily some of the best voice acting in the game.
i very much remember them, i started in MOP, not even a teen yet and i loved them lol, my paladin (the chr i made at that time) is still transmogged as he was when i got exalted with them, he still uses a aber sword for his apperance, and he rides on their aber mount if we are on the ground (ofc he has their tabard aswell) i personally think they are a very cool race
I said before Warcraft movie was released, I've said it many times since and I will keep saying it! Imagine if there was a TV Series based on Warcraft Lore. Heck, we could get multiple shows/spin offs focusing on different races/factions/time periods/continents etc.. etc..
@@MoonTurky Yeah, it's not like everything is set in stones and nothing can be changed when adopting to a live action show. We are talking about characters here, their journey can (and almost every time) be changed for a movie or tv show. Heck Blizz retcons their own stuff within the game every few years.
"They're territorial and aggressive" just reminds me of one of my favorite shitposts from the LOL subreddit, that had (among other stuff) "let's see how they updated the lore: 'he has a dark and mysterious past' damn, a solid 2 words above average, the lore team really worked overtime for this one" 😆 Anyway, as someone who knows about Mantid only very slightly less than about other races (they appeared in Hearthstone, and that's my main source of info - in fact, I went into this video expecting it to be a top 10 or however many of most forgotten villains, and ready to say that I know all/some from HS 😅), TLthis was really interesting insight, and well presented! 👍
It's pretty funny that they made them mantis-based, when they're CLEARLY meant to invoke the vibes of LOCUSTS (queen hierarchy from bees/ants notwithstanding)
So, we have: - Nerubian 2.0: more civilized, but still evil. - Related to an evil entity related to Old God: Number #364 - They try to save their race, but at the same time they want us dead (even though we help them) - They are ungrateful: joining the Horde of a tyrannical warlord even though we are "allies" (rare Mantid moment in the Horde) - They wonder why we kill them when they are the ones who can't seem to stop worshiping the evil entity related to Old God: Number #364 (makes the Nerubian look like true heroes among all the insect tribes since they were not influenced by dark whispers) - They proceed to be evil again as if they didn't learn their lesson.
Stuff like this genuinely makes me hope they at LEAST do a MoP classic. I bought my own copy of the game, and created my own account finally for MoP (Prior to this, I'd been playing on a friends dads account up until then, starting back in BC.)
Man I remember starting when Pandaria was halfway there to the legion expansion, I specifically focused on the mantid beast tribe cause I really wanted their mount, and I of course achieved it, but it also made me really REALLY want a Mantid as a playable race, Bug people as a concept would be really fun to have, but sadly that was more then likely never going to happen, and it didn't. Still though I remember the Mantid fondly in my lackluster experience with WoW in general
I am so pleased you made a video about the Mantid! I have been thinking about them so much recently because funnily enough, I had this really clear memory of interacting with insect/humanoid entities somewhere and I could not for the life of me remember where - then I see this video! I really wanted to find them again and now I have. I'm a sort of casual player with some breaks in between playing times so I sort of forgot their name (so your video title is apparently correct) but I had such a strong idea that they definitely existed ha!
Well, the Qijraji probably got further decimated by Sargeras sword slamming into their neighborhood and in BFA you kinda put down that new Mantid Empress you put into power during MoP as a world boss. Nerubians got a slight chance though at a comeback, BFAs island expedition had one with some living ones, that living one from WOTLK remains unaccounted for and the remaining undead ones should be free of any influence with the Scourge completely uncontrolled/any Jailer influence gone with his death.
This brings back fond memories of grinding these guys for hours and days and weeks :D I loved the Mantid. Even them becoming enemies made perfectly sense with the prior established lore and all... But, as is the way with Blizzard, they start something awesome, something incredible... and then they let it drop like somuch refuse -.- Every single time. I wont lie, in 8.3 I had enough of it - and I dont trust them not to be like that still.
