WARFRAME - The Infested, and why they will NEVER end... 

Who else here right after tennolive

For anyone that doesn't know: The Ancient Healers were (theorized to have been) created by infesting and subsuming Orokin Lorists, a caste of Orokin who had Lora Devices implanted into their left hands, along with a number of complementary technological augmentations. They would then use these devices to heal higher caste members' minor physical imperfections and injuries. Other castes of Orokin that we know of include: Executor: a lawmaker and the highest caste an Orokin may possibly be. Judge, jury and executioner in one. Ballas was one of these. Sectarus: shipmasters, pilots and captains. Enginus: unknown role, but form the way they're talked about in lore likely relatively low-ranking.

It also poses the questions of when your operator says “We need to purge this place, as we did in the old days.” “I remember these monsters from long ago.” “We are immune to the infestation but they still try to kill us.” What key factors are we unaware of?

The Ancient Healer lore provided by Simaris in his console actually states that the Healer is based on an Orokin with psychic healing powers. It's also why the Ancients tend to have one really long arm-tentacle thing.

That is a great Vegeta fashion frame

In the "Glast Gambit" Quest we hear of a thing called the "triuna" that gets passed down from Child to Child, it is some kind of link with the infestation that keeps the infested at bay from the Myconian Colonies. Children with superpowers that can BEND THE WILL OF INFESTED or at least keep them away, MMHHHHH, however in the sacrifice we hear that the tenno can handle warframes by "taking away its pain" and then fully control them, the triuna on the other hand keeps the infested away to some extend but no signs of full control. Prototype Transference maybe? To your question: If ALL other factions are gone then there really is no need for the Warframes to remain, the Tenno still can become the warriors they thought they were from the second dream. Cant wait for heart of deimos ;-)

Perfect timing. Tennocon and reveal of infestedt plant

"Historical evidence of a similar outbreak before the Collapse" is referencing the events in Dark Sector, the first technocyte outbreak.

I'm currently watching the stream, 6:09pm here It's awesome, can't wait for more lore videos this is PHENOMENAL BEYOND ASTONISHING

Remember that time I told you about sacrificing a frame to use it's ability?

the heart of deimos proves that like A LOT if the warframes destroy the infested they go to only your puny tenno will be there i cat wait for the heart of deimos and i even bought limbo tennogen for this and nidus tennogen and more tennogen cosmetics but im hyped VERY HIPED i love your vids and philosophy behind them

god i wish it was a same-day delivery kind of deal, but thats just asking too much of them

I feel the Tenno could destroy the infected since you could have most of them put into a sleep like at the beginning. Safe from the strain, a few specially selected individuals could spread it destroying both the infested and themselves, while keeping their main power intact.

It could be that the kiva in the orokins could have amplified certain natural genetic mutations causing them to become such good candidates for becoming Warframes

The origin of Teknocyte comes from Dark Sector. Silvana applied it. It is what caused the humans to have to be cloned, becoming grineer and intelligent ones becoming corpus. The Orokin were those who descended from the Oro. oro-kin. They were immune, but the sentients turned this “disease turned bioweapon” against them.

There is of course the bigger question, what if all life in the origin system already contains some degree of infested nanocytes, in small enough but vital enough quantities if they weren't there, they would die. Also, what other technologies are based on them? Could the grineer cloning? and I'm thinking of the tribe in the Nidus quest

"What did the system do for you?" - really good question, strange I haven't thought of it till now.

I think that while you're pretty much right, i think the infestation goes very well BEYOND just the Warframes and practically includes anything and everything built in the System. Whether it was something "crafted" (vomited/excreted) from a strain like the Helminth or something they learned/figured out from the far OLDER form of infestation, it doesn't matter too much. But i am at this point 99% sure of and CONVINCED of the fact that all of the technology and infrastructure and pretty damn near everything came from some knowledge or understanding of the Infestation.

Halo: bastion, the ark, the halos themselves, things on these installations still survived including the flood specimens AND the "food" the halos targeted. They survived because they were properly shielded from the Halos. GoW: the "Imulsion countermeasure weapon" (I usually just called "The Hammer of Dusk") wasn't 100% effective, some locust still survived, though only in very small numbers. Both of these show ways in which the warframes could survive the extermination of the infested. Or you could choose to go planet scale for the weapon, and evacuate the planet of all warframes before you use it, then after it fires you send the time now in their warframes back on to that planet to continue keeping a piece and clear up any stragglers, then you move on to the next planet rinse and repeat. Also, nothing about theinfested says anyting about the inability to kill them all conventionally than the fact that they're still Grineer in the system says we'll never get rid of the Grineer.

Helmith my new best friend :)

What if the hemint is separate from other infested as the hemint dogs still can be controlled

Something that makes me think A LOT about the future of Warframe, is that, well, Ballas already said it, that, While Corpus, Grineer and Tenno keep fighting, against each other, the Sentients are advancing towards the Origin System, implying that the right thing to do would be to "join forces" with all factions. What I would like to understand is if there is a "Sentient Brain" or a core for all the sentient behavior, and if it is possible for the Tenno to destroy or even control it, maybe using some sort of transference or who knows, turning its behavior olny against the Sentients. It would be amazing to imagine Huge grineer/Corpus spaceships fighting alongside some kind of huge Infested behemoth abomination against the Sentients.

The entrati is the reason for the power of tenno hmmm.... MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT IT NOW I will be waiting . i have been in this channel for sometime and love it

I was waiting for this

I was actually thinking something similar earlier today about the superpowers the warframes posess. What if they had a similar situation to what was in the X-men comics - people developing superpowers, seemingly at random. I finally got around to playing the Sands of Inaros quest, and the idea of the Orokin abducting children kind of gave me a vibe similar to the Reach, as portrayed in the Young Justice: Invasion cartoon show, just less subtle. What if the guy that was turned to Volt originally could only shoot lightning out of his hands, but the infestation amplified his power, allowing him to create lightning barriers and accelerate himself and others. Maybe excalibur could only originally materialize a blade, but the Helminth allowed him to stabilize that blade for longer, as well as use the same energy to cast javelins or cause a blinding flash? That could explain why we have such varied warframes, instead of everyone having the same thing with a versatile kit (remember that it is pretty much established thet the warframes we use are copies of original warframes). They were not simply produced, and mixing and matching was not possible... Or so I thought, but now they announced the Helminth Crysalis XD.

"Evidence of a similar outbreak before the collapse" is just a Dark Sector reference. DE really likes playing the "did it/didn't it happen?" with Dark Sector.

Wow, this was actually a video game moral conundrum that doesn't have an obvious best answer. The corpus and Grineer tend to enslave people, and those people can be freed, but the infestation seems much harder to free someone from. Alad V is the only one I can think of who's ever been cured of it. But of course, if you did wipe out the Technocyte you'd suddenly lose your best tool for fighting the Corpus and the Grineer and with it your best chance for defeating their lesser evils. And of course the weaker you make them, the less capable they are of defending themselves against the infestation, and the more people it absorbs. And that of course isn't even bringing the Sentient into it.

I have a correction. The loss of the mind within the warframe was an intentional design after the Umbra series backfired where they were intentionally left with a single memory of suffering to fuel the soldiers. The Tenno became the mind for the now empty warframes that followed after the Umbral series. Now if I can just ramble on for a bit, we have hints that warframes can gain a free will. I say this as we now know that a warframe can operate independently through the umbral series. And we have the Infested Chroma that we know nothing about outside of it being an infested unit and Lotus refuses to explain what was so important about killing the Chroma frame. Then there was the way Hunhow reacted to your personal frame that began to move independently of you when War was impaled in it and you were separated from it and in Stalker's hold. And then there is Nidus. We also know that the Infested recognise the warframe as an independent creature. Some asking it to let itself be consumed. J Golem asking the warframe to consume it. Even our personal infestation worships the warframe and fear the Tenno, as though it doesn't recognise the two as one and the same. Point is, we're seeing more evidence that warframes are prime examples of the infested near perfected. But we also know that the infestation and the warframe are the same thing just with different directives. If I remember my lore right, the infested virus was created by the Orokin to turn every race into loyal worshipping slaves. But whomever was in charge of the virus altered it. Problem is the alteration resulted in what we know. With that in mind there really isn't any difference between Warframe and Infested outside of the directives for the transformation, in my opinion. The Warframe were created through the virus to be empty vessels specifically for the Transference system. While the populous were suppose to be transformed into loving worshippers by the virus. In both cases the only simplified difference was how the mind was altered by the virus. The biggest issue I see however is what would a virus made to target the infestation look like, what would it target. My concern is that the virus itself would need to be flesh eating. But thanks to the mutalist strain created by Alid V we now know that the infested can consume, and possible be made from altered metals and alloys. We also don't know if the infested could consume and drastically modify the virus if it is in any way biological. We really don't know anything about the virus. For all we know, the virus could work. But it could end up being a bigger plague as the virus could end up killing any kind of biological creature if it was miss-made, sabotaged, or simply altered/evolved. After all at the end of the day the infested is just a huge pile of sentient biomass. But that's just me rambling about this and that, for all I know DE might retcon some of the lore I remember assuming they already haven't. Continue as you were.

the main reason the infestation was considered a lesser threat than the sentients was because it couldn't infest void beings ie: the orokin, the tenno, or anyone with void exposure (like the corrupted) so we could stash all of the pets, helminths and warframes in there and cleanse the system of anny infested we don't want

After tennocon (actually when new update is released, mind ya teaser offered some info) cant wait for more of your lore analysis, peace and stay safe ty for your work....

I think the best available option would be something I suspect the Orokin did the last time. That is isolate areas of infestation and then use something similar to the Cascade bomb to wipe out large if not all the infested in the isolated area, using the Tenno to mop up anything that survives the bombing. And then just systematically keep doing that till the Infested are no longer a problem. I think the only reason this hasn't happened is because the Grineer and Corpas are too busy fighting each other and no one faction has the manpower or resources to pull that off. One the only up sides of when the Orokin were in charge, they could get a large scale operation like that done. As it stands currently it's not likely to happen.

Still waiting for infested "liches" for special infested weapons to match my infested ship and warframe aesthetic.

This is especially interesting when you introduce the Heart of Deimos. They’ve made it clear this os the source of the Tenno power, but what if the same heart beats for both the tenno and the infested. If the heart stops beating, the infested die, but we have to bear the burden of keeping it beating, keeping the infested alive in order to continue fighting the other dangers of the system.

This is awesome!!! love your work!

Hey i've done some infeasted experiments with grendal and trinity with the infeasted and i think its possible to turn certain infested into healing salves and medicine but further experimentation and documenting is required

Who else is playin this when it comes out with a bud

I don't know why but that clip of baruuk without a complete set of his knives orbiting him kind of made me nuts. I mean, why the gaps?! Hit your 3, hit you god damned 3!

Thanks for the video! To answer your question, I have always found the Tenno's role in the system dubious. While they SEEM to act with honest intentions "for the greater good", I can't just trust that. It seems more they're maintaining a careful balance to keep each faction in check. They don't act towards eradicating any factions, nor do they align themselves completely with any force to empower it. There is no clear motivation for almost all of the missions we do, we just do them because we were told to. This clueless attitude and ambiguity towards the Tenno's goal could be taken as intentional, the player being left as much in the dark as the children they control. But I digress. My point is, whoever controls our actions may not find it in their (plural because I quite like your theories on the seven) best interest to wholly eradicate the infested. Both the infested and the warframes have yet their roles to play in whatever game that's being played out IMO. But, if left wholly to the Tenno (me as the player), even then I doubt I would wipe out the infested along with the warframes. The Tenno seem to enjoy playing the role of being demigods, with the ability to move with out most freedom, and have entire armies at their mercy. The whole acting for the good thing seems secondary to them, a natural outlet for their power, but the sweetness of that power seems to take priority. At least that's what it seems to me. I doubt the Tenno would throw it away in a selfless move. As a sidenote, can't wait for Heart of Demios to come out. Honestly, the whole thing about the Entrati (however that's spelt) family got me hyped. I feel like this update will be huge, lore-wise.

Just subbed, no idea why I hadn't yet.. But god bless m8.

I bet the final act when De ever wants to conclude Warframe will be centered around this and it will boil down to the question if the Tenno are willing to save the whole universe but sacrifice the warframes for it and probably at the end the Tenno can find some alterative solution that still can for the moment save everything and the warframes don't have to be sacrificed otherwise De never could return to this IP. And i don't think De would want to ultimately close the door for a potential return to the IP for a later point.

i was going to say that the fact of crafting warframes confuses me but now i think i understand. maybe the original ones were infested humans, but now we can only assembly them by the precise blueprints.andt it also makes warframes separate enough from infestation. like if you craft a radio that uses the common frequency - it doesnt mean its a weapon of an ai that controls most of the tech

Love this. Love all of your content. Great questions posed as well. I’ve been writing fan fictions and your vids help me keep it cannon. Hope to get something published in the near future. Please keep up the good work.

Nah. The infested can be reasoned with (as shown with Helminth and Mother in the Heart of Deimos) and it would be possible to actually recreate society with them still around. Plus, they are one of the few factions that can stand up to the Sentients and not get utterly annihilated. The only problem is that the infested want to go after corpus, grineer, and other fleshies before they take over robotics. Personally, I wouldn't eradicate them because it seems like, to a degree, they can be controlled, reasoned with, and inevitably, stopped by logic becoming more moral. It reminds me of the Gravemind from Halo. It was able to plan and reason, even if they did eventually 'betray' us.

Nidus approves of your philosophy answer infest everything and there won't be a problem. See infested fixes everything

I like to think of the infested as a biomechanical version of the flood. I never really knew there was lore about the infested anyways. I know we'll get more in the next update!

Hey I just wanna say you’re doing a great job and your videos always get me to think and I always enjoy them please never stop making videos

hey remember that time DE added a continent/space station sized pulse bomb specifically designed for mass cleansing the infested? (or any other organic stuff while leaving inorganics unharmed) and then used it in 1 mission in 1 quest then completely forgot it ever existed

I see the infested (regardless of they being "created") as a force of nature, relentless, unstoppable. There is no "will" or "purposes" other than consume and grow. We know the infested are connected, like a hive mind, and I now remember something from The Expanse (awesome show btw), there is this "protomolecule" (I'll be spoiling the show), that consumed metals, rocks, flesh, everything, and when it consumed and transformed Eros (an asteroid) and crashed on venus, it created an organic machine thing, that lead to a portal being created. Maybe the infested need to consume and transform a big amount of matter in order to do something? I just love the infested lore and no, I will not kill them!

For the second time I see your thinking to be confirmed in game, that says a lot

I'd do it. For the greater good of the system we must sacrifice our frames. It's probably what they would have wanted anyway. Not like the tenno actually NEED them or anything, we can just use our void powers to take care of everything else.

Tenno are seen as a balance faction in the solar system, we keep the Corpus from exploiting the innocents and taking over orokin tech, just like the grineer and their kuva farming and planets occupation, we stop the infested from spreading in the other factions occupied planets. We keep rogue factions at bay and pleased by help them in their goals but we can easily switch sides towards balance in the system. So if you take the warframes away with the infestation it wouldn't bring any kind of peace besides temporary relief from the infestation spreading towards other planets. The other factions would tear each other apart regardless. Not to mention the sentients would be the ultimate faction, besides them being unable to reproduce they would probably find a way with Ballas to kink shame everyone and discover a new way to reproduce. Now with the warframes gone, that doesn't mean the tenno would be extinct just declawed. They would probably get some type of substitute or upgrades from the factions themselvs. They could still use most weapons besides the infested based ones they would still have k drives and void powers. So imo It wouldn´t change much.

Speaking of the hellmouth considering it's on sentients and what we've learned it wouldn't let us do that very thing

"similar outbreak before The Collapse" I wonder if that could possibly pertain to the events of Warframe 1999

Dude can't wait for your 'lore" video about tennocon stuff, so much shit to go thrue. Oh and plz tell us your idea with the chair and giving abilitys how it could affect the story like what if any facton, god forbide sentients, get ahold of something like that ??

Probably wouldn't effect the tenno too much as the virus is referenced in the initial creation of the warframes, which we know are umbra, not the standard mass produced lifeless metal puppets we usually command. So i guess then the question would be if we were willing to risk losing our umbra frames, with their own personalities and qwerks, in order to defeat the infested once and for all. Which is itself dependent on if the helminth virus isn't different enough to save them from the cure. Of course this would present larger implications for the system as a whole as many blueprints for weapons and frames require many materials which are described in the lore as coming from the infested, wither as a byproduct of its functions or some cultivated crop from its growth. like mutagen samples, which are used for both frames and weapons. Along with many current railjack parts. Assuming the resources use extends into constructing other needed items of daily life, then destroying the infestation would probably rob the system of an irreplaceable necessity for its current functioning. Plus i'd have to wonder if the current forests re-terra-forming the earth had absolutely no relation to the infested strain at all, or if that would be destroyed too, assuming not even the helminth would be spared that is.

I would do it. Peace always requires sacrifices to be made and ridding the system from this plaque is the right thing to do. It's what heroes (and the Tenno/Warframes are treated as such) do

Ah yes right on time

No lie the entire time you were talking about the infested I was thinking about the song "The Silent" and given the choice as messed up as it sounds I'd just coexist with the infested figure out a way to inoculate some races to be immune but allowing the infestation to exist as a whole, it didn't wish to be created but clearly as shown by the Helminth chargers the room and The Warframes especially Nidus that the infested have amazing benefits.

The timing on this lol

So the way I see it, the only option is to develop the Infesteds capacity to form pro social relationships as we might do with the warframes like with umbra. Or like when venom turned good. Like maybe somewhere you could integrate a capacity for empathy and ethics

I want something like Infested - Sentient troop The main boss/ hive mind could be infested-sentient in nature as it can indeed think of itself and everything stemming out of it

I feel like it would depend on which morality the Tenno mainly walked in; if its Sun, they would absolutely destroy the infected. The other two? I think they would at least see if they could control or work alongside the infected, and then go from there.

4:13 the man in the wall: there are no accidents

since the corpus, grineer and maybe other yet unknown factions exist, getting rid of all warframes along with JUST the infested seems like a net loss. Even without the infested getting involved, the origin system is always in turmoil. also, as you mentioned, we don't actually owe the system anything so to give up the only thing keeping everyone (and i mean everyone, friends included) from dissecting us to see if they can gain our abilities would be a massively dumb thing to do. Unless we get to the point where we can do 4 hour survivals with just the operator...........what reason would we have to give up the only thing keeping us safe?

Laughs in incendiary. Spaceships, flotilla fleets, and planetary bombardment.

You pose an interesting theory, for one to understand the question we must understand the infested and so far the general idea of them, is that they dont care about the on going war between corpus and grineer, the rise of sentients, the lesser infested are mindless drones who care nothing but harvesting and killing, but then you got the higher infested who have hive minds, which is curious, because so far we havent comprehend what they're real goal is, some say to expand, to conquer, i mean overall survival, in the end, dont we all wish that upon our race, tenno, corpus, grineer, even sentients? Now about sacrifice...i wouldnt, and here's why, i believe, infested and tenno have a symbiotic relationship, they need us, as much as we need them, they represent chaos, and tenno represent order, some say tenno are the bad guys...i dont believe so, evolution requires sacrifice sometimes, take the example of Alad V...he gave up his humanity, to understand infested, but at what cost...but you forgot one major player here...."the man in the high tower" possibly one of the orokin people, what does he think of all this, will he do anything? is he just watching all parties to see who's worthy...simply playing god?

I do feel like possibly, let's say the tenno, team up with the corpus, the corpus could design battle armor based on our AMP's that would be able to take a hit and since the tenno are lore wise incredibly powerful. Since 6-8 tenno together killed Eras. We could still fight on without our beloved frames. It's kinda like those shows with magic where in the end they decide to destroy all magic for it's potential for evil thus we become more technological and eventually hiroshima. If you get my drift.

Don't Forget about Nidus, he was Technically the first Warframe... And also has some sort of Connection with the Helminth.

it will be good all the warframes to have there own quest or to have a quest to see how the prime frames are made and where did they come from

I love these videos so much!!!

7:02 i think they were saying in the tennolive thing that if the heart of deimos stops beating all infestation dies

Frames are kinda like nukes in our world, a deterrent. Take it away and everyone will make big move on the other.

The answers to all those questions, For me personally, is no. I as a human being sitting here commenting on this video 2 years after you posted, would rather become a warframe or an infested, partly because I am aware of what actually happens to charger type infested if they avoid death for a long enough period of time. they adapt and regain some of their original personality, even taking of a form vaguely similar to their original. In addition, I deal with having multiple distinct personalities in my head, and that might afford me some level of freedom from the madness of being enslaved to the hive. five voices in one body is alot stronger than just one, and when four of them have been described as stubborn to a fault, it begs the question of how persistent the collective mind truly is. In addition, I have no delusions that I'd be safe. I'd rather become a warframe, partly because I know that eventually, there'd come along a tenno to find a use for me.

i thought this was gonna be a normal video, and now im questioning my existance in a video game

First the protea quest makes me question warframe and now this Which is saying either get rid of everything that we know as warframes or let the infested rule the cosmos I need time to think about all of this

Imagine all the -damage to infested rivens that would have to be rerolled.

have you seen the movie "The last girl"? it's a zombie type film, and the same question is asked, the children are the only ones who can keep their humanity and have a normal life except if they smell uninfected humans while being hungry, they'll eat them but what would happend when there's no uninfected humans anymore? they can still eat normal food and have a normal life, cause they, and the spores, developed a symbiosis relationship. what the girl does is that she says that this world is for the new generation and ignites the huge plant that contains the spores, allowing them to be released and infect the whole world over time. the tenno, not fiighting the infested anymore, would be kinda similar, except that the infested will still try to kill them since they can't contamine them

Think about this, we team up with the sentients and make all the frames more sentient of material than infested maybe giving us more powers in the end and with the sentients help we end the infestation and at the least likely moment the sentients backstab and "kill" one of our warframes most likely umbra

I would sacrifice my warframes. In theory. Of course it will not happen because imagine the lawsuits haha. But if I could trade my warframes ability to participate in later lore content in exchange for empowering my operator further, maybe going with some sort of powered armor , weapons ect, id be willing to explore the possibilities there. I have recently gotten into really exploring the operator weapon systems, so much potential...

The Void contains infested... No matter how many you cut down, theres always going to be the chance that one can pop out of the void and start the whole situation over again.

I wanna take option 3, possibility the hardest one, yet the one we often overlook: Coexistence. As some may have pointed out here, there is records of people being able to do so and the incoming Quest will be about helping a fragment of the Tecnocite virus that is capable of dialogue. So I wouldn't be surprised for politics to be an option. I also think it would be the most thematically appropriate choice. Why? Simple, we (the Tenno) have always being told what to do by Lotus, that something often being "whipe everyone on sight". Yet on the long run, how well did that went? Now, without Space Mom to tell us what to (kill) do, we have the option of doing something more, beyond just senseless killing. Specially important if its towards something most wouldn't even consider to have a mind to reason with, let alone reach a peaceful conclusion.

I would choose to destroy the infestation if the option was given, that for sure. Destroy everything except for what's strictly essential IF it's possible to keep it contained (avoid the Infested room from affecting and spreading trough its sorroundings, render neuter whatever you create from it etc...).

Now you get scared even more from harrow

The end of infestation would mean the end of my favorite weapons!! Synapse, Hima, Phage... That shit cannot fly!!!

My Tenno's sole concern is keeping Infested numbers under control. The grineer and corpies may come and go, but the goopy bois are forever.

here after tennocon 2024, he needs to talk about everything involving the technocyte revailed in that.

I see a flaw here. The Original frames were not made from Orokins, but rather from some of the troops serving under them. It even tells us in the quest for Excalibur Umbra that they used soldiers and even some of their elite Dax units, both willing and unwilling. It is also stated in the Laverian for Ivara that the Orokin despised any of their kind that would falter from their god-like forms so I doubt that any of the original Warframes were made from Orokins. Another detail is that the original Warframes did have a mind attached to them (much like Excalibur Umbra) but our current frames are not those originals, but are rather reproductions made artificially without using living being in it, but rather by using infested matter and other components, to ensure that they did not have a mind of their own so that the Tenno could control them.

It can't be done there will always be a test tube out there and someone to use it again. Tech never goes away if the ideas or knowledge exists.

Perfect timing!

here is a train of thought i'd like to share with you. the ostrons make use of the unum tower's "temple kuva" in their rituals, and are recorded to have fed this kuva even to the wild animals of the plains in order to incorporate them into the unum's hive mind for the purpose of finding and defeating the enemy eidolon. even the eidolon tasted healing in this kuva. master teasonai says that the various kavats are infected with a blood-drinking virus, and that offworlders hearing too many legends may come seeking to be infected in order to "live forever". the orokin consumed kuva for continuity and immortality the infested who are capable of speech, such as phorid, often refer to themselves as "the vessel through which immortality is achieved", and implore us to consume them and join them "carefully cultured" infestation exposed to void energy made the warframes, and the enslaved helminth that services and heals them kuva, through whatever process the queen has, can make grineer into liches that can rival warframes in power anyway, my mind is getting fuzzy, long story short kuva is basically magic infestation juice and the unum and the quills are basically a seemingly (for now) peacable "faction" of the infestation who are able to, control their appetite, so to speak, in contrast to the wilder types. this is a logical extension of the precedents set by the entrati family managing to retain most of their personalities, and alad v being able to manage his infested condition enough to work on amalgams and drop hints to the player on how to kill the ropalolyst this even explains why the quill agent in profit taker phase 1 was willing to perish just to leave clues in the bellies of servofish, because they knew they would be immortal within the unum's hivemind sorry in advance if this is all old news to you, peace out edit: oh yeah, and since kuva particles are kind of just floating around waiting to be captured and concentrated by the queen's siphons, it really seems like lots of people in the origin system might be at least a little bit infested, just most people don't go full-blown eat-everybody style. maybe a kind of immune system suppression sort of deal going on. also explains why there are always more infested outbreaks forever too no matter how many extermination missions you do

In a sense if the tenno truly want to bring peace to the system we should be helping the infested. After all the infested are the only faction without any internal conflict, well maybe the corrupted but they're more limited than the infested. Sure the infested are violent to all other factions but there is peace within the hive mind, and in my opinion the infested are the only faction that would keep the peace after eliminating all the other factions.

There is a modern view of what “complex life” actually is. That everything, from plants to humans, are composites. Amalgamations of viral components, and bacterial colonists, all working together. Examples: 1. Viruses have served to accelerate genetic diversity due their exquisite ability to rearrange genes and coordinate mutations. 2. Cellular organelles such as mitochondria or chloroplasts are biochemical engines lifted from bacteria. 3. Gut and oral biomes process consumed food into essential chemicals for the operation of the immune system, the brain, and general metabolism. In short, there’s an intricate dance of many partners that make a ballroom dancer able to compete in a tango contest. Intentional tampering with this ecology can transform the organism into something ascendant or hellish. We, conscious beings need the very things that can kill us.

In the quest the awakening in cutscene did anyone else notice the HUGE hand with the HUGE fingers they kinda looked like something from a rail Jack. When you're near it I can hear tapping sounds

What if one of the faction could make or modify transference bolts (reference "The Sacrifice") for an especially strong/ intelligent/ or complex cephalon to control individual infested forms like pieces on a game board? But that raises the question of if that introduces that cephalon to the infested hivemind and corrupt it? Maybe that would cause the cephalon to be just another form under infested control, allow the infested to control the ship systems, lock everything down, launch empty escape pod and dive that ship ,or fleet, into infested hives like eris, deimos or a rotting derelict ship?

Wanna hear your thoughts about the TennoCon reveals.

Dude talk about timing, perfect.

For me I would do the whole "destroy all infested including warframes" thing but ONLY if it meant that there wouldn't be a new danger afterwards. There's still a chance that a new enemy faction emerges afterwards and then there would be no Warframes to defend the system.

Didnt we hear in once awake the lotus thought the infestation was all killed off yet the grineer brought them back?

Ballads said that he experimented and tortured them. That's how they got their abilities, based on how they were experimented on and tortured.

There is maybe a possibility to destroy the infested: The hive mind probably use the Void as a support for his mind|memory|nervous system. So there is maybe a way to strike the hive mind directly "in the Void". Problem: the more capable of this is probably The Man In The Wall.