A correction that I'd like to point out for clarity ( thank for all who have helped me realize this @Grimmwf) : 21:18 "The Helminth has a Very clear disadvantage, which is the ability to create working intelligent sentient warframes" In order to promote clarity, I should've said "lacking the ability". I don't expect any of you to read my mind, and be able to tell what I meant by that. Thank you to those who pointed it out. If there is a mistake other than that or if you disagree with anything else, feel free to share in the comments. I am always open to criticism no matter what because I can make mistakes. I appreciate you all!! Thank you.
Something that can fix most of the lore problems infested have and not only that it can make them more unique is remove the whole dumb hive mind concept, it has been done many times and I think is just boring, instead what if all infested are independent and are more like animals that communicate telepatically and see each other just as the same species but if they have ambition or are just hungry or angry they would just attack each other and sometimes an infested rises to guide others, others just act like regular animals and form a species that only cares for those that are like them kinda like in deimos or sometimes they unite and create a hive mind, but that's the key A have mind not one that controls them all but several hive minds that compite with each other, this would make them more interesting and would solve the problem with them being so weak since they are not united they keep fighting each other making this crab bucket, and not only that, but it could also be a really good way to introduce infested liches, as infested that want to rise above the others and rule them, you can even add some flood elements to the infested and make them learn from what they consume, maybe they don't learn everything to avoid making them too strong but a little bit and they could also eat each other to try to be stronger.
It’s kinda like the virus in dying light 1-2. We (warframes) are infested with a specific strain They aren’t wrong when they say they they are our flesh. It’s true. And our tennos are literal magic ghost demons possessing these zombie corpses
"Tenno are bad at teamwork" lmao just have the lotus tell us these super infesteds make for bomb ass weapons and drop rare mods and it'll be under control in two weeks tops
Except lotus has always made a point of allowing the Tenno to choose their own path, so long as they never fight each other. e.g. The Gradivus Dilemma. Though, her ability to coordinate the contracts so that there are never Tenno on both sides of the same engagement is pretty impressive. TBF, we have allowed multiple relays to be overrun by Fomorians, just to see what would happen, and the Operation events are often marked by general apathy toward the cause, after Scarlet Spear.
In the Fortuna ARG, Biz asked the Tenno to perhaps poke their heads in V Prime (Survival node on Venus) and slap the Taxmen on the wrist. In a week, we massacred two million Corpus units there xD
Honestly it would be nice if we were introduced to the wider orokin empire and culture beyond just all the fudge ups that ballas did. I thought we would get that with Whispers in the Walls but instead we got a a fossil of an assistant, a bunch of animals, and an albrecht entrati thats been gated till 1999 comes out. Oh and the most beautiful part of the quest which was the Sanctum Atomica was half destroyed in an instant, so much for wanting a perfectly preserved example of the peak of orokin architecture, culture, and technology... 😮💨
IDK I've always interpreted the lore as failures along 100s or 100s of years. Orokin are immortal. Tenno are also probably immortal and most humans are long lived in lore
@@chloekaftandon’t forget that they had to implement unnecessary DEI by making the big bad guy and his assistant gay. They could’ve used their resources of dialogue and cutscenes on something important to Orokin Lore.
@@mr.williams1997 true, but them being gay isnt really triggering me in this case. for me at least i find it acceptable if say person A has a thing for person B but theyre both the same gender for as long as their is a reason, premise, and agency for it. like they shouldnt be gay just for the sake of being gay. its not entirely out of the realm of possibility for albrecht to become infatuated with his assistant because his assistant was the only one who cared for and nursed him after he emerged from the seriglass bell. he by all accounts should be 🪦from his horrific injuries but he lived, nobody else in his family, relatives, or friends would have done the same since the orokin were a generally apathetic race, even his own daughter who witnessed the event did nothing to help him (possibly because she was too young to understand back then). when that one person cares for you that much while all others turn their backs on you, they become your anchor to reason, to sanity. and considering at the time he was shunned by the empire, he had no-one else to call upon.
Before the whispers in the walls update there were message interviews from Nora talking to individuals all across the galaxy, one was latrox un on deimos mentioning that he's been hearing a rap tap tap and because of that the infested all across deimos were on edge, hiding more than usual and producing more adrenaline then usual, latrox concluded that they were afraid of something that has to do with the rap tap tap
I've definitely heard that somewhere it's clearly stated that the Infested fear the Void as a whole, with helminth calling our void children "The Demon". The Void and it's Murmurs are likely completely incompatible with Technocyst, like Oil to Water.
@@yumakuga2328 Yeah, but the fact that the infested hivemind could tell implies that a large enough collection of ancient neurodes could have some level of Void magic potential, even without a Tenno demon and a control bolt to supply them with void energy.
@@FelbloodStreamingMother says during the Heart of Deimos introductions that the infestation stole her knowledge when it infected the Entrati, and basically the whole reason Cambion Drift exists is because the infestation is setting up a base next to the Necralisk, trying to get in and stop the Heart, severing the connection between the physical world and the void, it knew for ages. Vome also powers up the Necramechs while she’s active, so we technically already have a void magician infested. Besides that, Torid, Toxocysts and Dual Ichor are bioweapons, thus making them technocyte organisms, so they technically too are void-bending infested when equipped with incarnons.
@@FelbloodStreaming Aren’t Warframe abilities because of the Helminth itself? Even Rhino codex and Kullervo had access to powers even without being connected to the Operator, same as Umbra.
You should check out the Simaris codex for the Corrupted Ancient. That alone provides the most terrifying ability that the Infested possess. If you want a TL;DR it tells the tale of two Twin Archimedians who were born with the ability share telepathy with each other. Shit goes down during a mission and one of the sisters is lost. Until that voice comes back. Everywhere. The sister could hear her Sister all around her. The infested don't just assimilate and adapt, they copy and save you as if you were a blueprint, capable of producing more of the "sister" The Helminth System subsuming Warframes further reinforces the idea that the Infestation can simply clone those it has already claimed. Another Arlo could be possible.
They were Lorists, not Archemedians. Archemedians are like scientists or philosophers, but lorists use the Loris device to perform simple void magic and psychic communication. Archemedians are higher rank, and may employ multiple lorists on their staff. The infestation's ability to create multiple clones of a consumed Lorist complete with the powers and memories, seems to have been the inspiration for Balas feeding warriors to helmynth to create new warframe types. The ability to sacrifice their greatest warriors, to create an army of duplicates with all their skills.
@@FelbloodStreaming That is definetly not the case, the story has mentions of the "betrayers" aka Tenno and we ses a Warframe annihalate an infested horde. That was not Ballas' inspiration.
The Infested itself doesn't have the "space magic" that the Tenno wields - they merely tranfer it. The Tenno, without Warframes, would shoot pure Void energy everywhere, but with the frames, they are able to express their power in specific ways. In short, the Tenno abilities can only be used by those who can control the Void in the way the Tenno can.
as shown by the 1999 segment, this is not the case, same with Umbra. The infestation and by consequence, the warframes, can wield the void. The tenno just amplify it to an unmatched extent.
@@longps9528 Athur is using it, even before we join his point of view, same with the warframe hybrid of Mag from the coms. The warframes during the old war pre tenno and recently the Zealot could only be harmed by us using the void with light to make it vulnerable, its immunity came from the void.
Lmao you just made me think of the two strong black and white arms handshake meme one infested one flood and us the protagonist master chief/Tenno getting absolutely overwhelmed and terrified
Funny enough after watching this video, if it came down to infested vs flood, infested would probably win. The flood is much faster at spreading and infecting, but they still need LIVING hosts, and hosts with intact nervous systems, the infested doesn't, and would just consume the flood over time.
@@Joezone619 the flood don't need living biomass just biomass, also the flood can use star roads as the flood are the remnants of the precursors (halos gods) the star roads was used to destroy forerunner controlled worlds also logic plague is a thing that is borderline busted it wins most of the floods fights for them
@@Joezone619 the flood don't actually need a living host to thrive. They only need the brain and spine to control the host. But still, I agree the Infestation would sweep the Flood no doubt.
Regarding what you said about how the older infested should be able to speak, in the Infested Salvage game mode, if you hit 0% armor integrity, the infested actually WILL begin speaking to you, implying that they can speak, we just have some form of resistance to it
I just want to remind you, my dearest warframe scribe, corpus are enough stupid to even fuse with the infested to "bring peace to the system" or even more stupid to fuse their taxmen with the unpredictable self aware a.i. What possibly can go bad xD
To the people saying that the helminth strain cannot use void powers without a Tenno, you are ignoring the existence of Stalker who is literally a warframe that has no operator yet is still able to use warframe abilities (his 3 is literally Ash's smoke screen and his 4 is Nyx's 4). While theoretical, it is logical to say that if the infested was motivated enpugh, the "super strain" mentioned in the video can definitely happen at some point down the line (but that is a BIG if).
I belive you got your ultimate strain, after tennocon I'm starting to think this technocyte strain is exactly what you have predicted. Lasts for a long time like the derelict strain as we saw at tennocon. Can produce warframes like the helminth strain. Manipulates technology like the mutalist strain, and seemingly even better then how the mutalist strain already does it.
@@PenOfEvil Some have even been theorizing that On-Lyne may be an emissary strain ordeal based on the song lyrics. Wouldn't surprise me, if this really is the combination of the other strains.
@@zaviki7819 I'm thinking this infested lich system will be the most fleshed out one we've seen so far. The infested have so much it'd be a shame if they didn't do more with it. Either way I'm excited!
The tenno powers are part caused by who pilots them, but there's a thing- the helminth technocyte might not be unable to make the powers, but is Void conductive But well- wild things hapen in the wilds and somwehat spontaneous power development (or outright devouring some orokin computer for info) might be possible
What I find funny is the fact the infested could become the greatest threat due to its abilities but every major faction agrees that they should shoot the infested first before returning to whatever petty wars they have.
Before the whispers in the walls DE released a bunch of files that were supposed to be recordings of calls nora received from various characters. One of those characters was latronx un or whatever his name is, the corpus on Deimos. According to him, the infested were scared of the tapping heard on Deimos, Wally's "rap tap tap", so I don't believe the infestation could take over the void and the man in the wall
Apparently, in case of the helminth strain, its clear to us that the infestation cant give supernatural powers, the power that frames uses are from the void ampole given to their biosynthetic systems, the helminth strain only amplifies things like super strength and speed, unlimited stamina, mitosis enhancer, enhanced antibody system and a body adapted enough to handle the powers like super freezing, hot flames and supersonic speeds.
Slight disagreement about the so-called superstrain/Helminth. As I recall, it's stated by one of the Grineer generals (Vor maybe) that the powers of the Warframes don't originate from the Helminth. To probably slightly incorrectly quote "Your Warframe is like a glass, shaping your furious light". Simply put, this line suggests the Tenno produces the raw void magic and channel it into the Warframes as fuel, which in turn shape it into the various powers of murder we all know and love. What makes each frame unique is what systems and augmentations they have to specifically convert the void energy into something more defined like fire or ice or a fat man who eats, rolls around, and squashes people. If that wasn't the case then it would mean the Tenno would just be able to shoot just about anything out of their asses regardless of Frames, and would be virtually gods of the origin system, even more than they already are. With that, though, it might be a little retconned with Warframe 1999, as if Arthur and Aoi and the rest Entrati's semi-Warframes aren't Tenno, then how do they get the Void energy for their powers? Might be a bit of a plothole there, unless the Heart of Deimos can pump void wackery across time.
Great lore dive and breakdown of the different strains. If the infested ever develop anything like abathur (zerg evolutionist) the super-virus could become a possibility
mutalist strain, alad created this from helminth strain he took from frames he dismantled, this is directly mutated from the helminth strain which is why it can convert advanced tech, as the orokin needed to amalgamate shield generators transference bolts and other tech directly into the flesh so there was no possibility of external interference by the sentients as we see happens to the weave in octavias anthem. also not all cephalons are connected into the weave, we directly disconnect nihil from the weave. jordas was disconnected from the weave, as the corpus took him for their own ship, he also self copies. cephalons are directly stored in glass. with those on the weave able to directly connect to each other.
Infestation reminds me a Blacklight Virus but like one hell buffed, Both can adapt Both can copy to genetic lvl Both are have full Virus formed life from (Nidus, Alex Mercer) Both spread ( but Blacklight can't infected machines) and infected living things Both can create infected abominations (Goliath, Lephantis) And both are manufactured in laboratory ( Gentek, orokin,) That's is one of reasons why I'm play Warframe Reminds me Prototype Btw my Ash fashion is Alex mercer
the reason the imfested ancients are so rare and powerful is because theyve consumed a powerful piece of technology called a Lora capable of letting any normal person manipulate void energy freely, Lora were typically grafted onto people during the old Orokin days to make them healers, but theyre capable of doing much more
9:07 I think the reason for specifically the ship is ALAD V was constantly trying to experiment with the war frames, there’s even a part where he becomes part of the infested
Actually, the Gray Strain has an Additional advantage to factor in. That being the supersizing that occur in some individuals, like the Carnis enemy(literally a giant centipede), the Jugulus(Giant bobbit worm?), and obviously the Entrati Family. However I think the Gray Strain shows an additional weakness you didn't consider. An Internal War. There is at least 2 separate minds warring over Deimos, Fass and Vome. They don't seem to be in agreement with each other. And the Infested 'monsters' seem to be at war with the infested 'animals'. There is a hivemind, but it's completely fractured. There doesn't seem to be a single boss in charge. This reminds me of what happened in Star Craft 2, where the Zerg end up in a war during the "Heart of the Swarm", you had to fight to get them in line. It makes me wonder if all the combined traits are even possible, or like with Biology, you can't have it all, and you have to pick and choose your specialization. Even the strains have specific roles, and don't seem to communicate with each other.
I was here before this totally blew up. All and all, the visuals are getting there, but great topic with A nice thumbnail. And the script writing is actually quite good!
"Ferrite being the equivalent of steel" Actually Ferrite is a real world metal, in fact Ferrite is an alternate name for...Iron!, in fact, Iron is listed as Fe on the Periodic Table, and Fe is short for Ferrite
grey strain. you missed out about the wyrms being hive clusters and that they destroy each other to control the grey strain, which is why the types of infested changed based on which cluster is active.
9:18 We actually can see the grinner avtuvly rading the derelict in some missions, not a high chance but they can spawn there fighting through the infested.
The issue with the Helminth strain is that must commune with the void and will likely achieve the same power every time due to the void's conceptual embodiment. What that would look like would probably be sentient like adaptation and infectious multiplication. Not to mention that the only way the Helminth strain gets void powers is due to the void heart on Deimos. Likely, it won't be able to do anything with void powers because of its unique technicalities.
Correct, it was meant to work without it but something that powerful needs a battery. I feel like there's more to the infested than we know. Being a perfect vessel for void energy is no coincidence.
@@PenOfEvil more that viruses evolve to work with the host and over cloning creates a number of undesirable situations similar to the way inbreeding can ruin a lineage. And the virus would need to reject the unviable host but it doesn't so it absorbs the flaws of the host as it tries to replicate and can't. (But yes, stunting the growth)
21:14 error helminth strain hollows out the mind. earlier version of the strain used before transference was merged into the warframe project had self awareness and functional human minds. but after ballas realized he could control the frame well avoiding the madness created by the hive signal there became no reason for them to be self aware, with final helminth strain being for creating a weapon not a soldier. it can be seen when our helminth recreates kullervo his mind is gone even tho he was a frame from before. the only reason umbra doesnt end up hollow is because his transference bolt which is recreated with him contains the memories. which keeps his mind active. the only time we have seen the helminth strain frames beyond our recreation of umbra show any self action is when the stalker is killing the operator.
One thing to consider is the possibility that certain adaptations are mutuality exclusive. So that the infestation could get practicality immune to cold damage but in turn get weak to heat etc.
The Infestation is one of the best "tide of flesh" and "runaway AI" takes in sci fi. Best one I know of, and if there are others, well I bet it's still a very high bar to clear.
I think this is important insight!!! I have a similar set of technologies, called the Balance Fusion Reactors-which generate energy through a similar means. All you have to do is to break down how a creature would make energy, manipulate the raw forces of the universe, things of that nature. The Rhizaphage, it was called-a little treat left behind ever since the Novans left the universe. Novans were immune, as was their nature-their physical bodies could be afflicted by it, sure, but they could reform whenever they chose-as easy as washing one's hands. As they were beings of light and energy, and something more-in the end. Now, back to my origional point-Ferrite. Iron. Why Iron? Welllllll... because it is the break-even point for atomic numbers. Atoms lighter than Iron can be fused to create energy. Atoms heavier can be split. Ferrite is the **waste** of their reaction. And this reaction, mind you, is an incredibly efficient source of organically- or biomechanically-based cold fusion, present on the smallest to the largest of scales. Capable of converting hydrogen into iron, and gaining approximately 750 Gigajoules from a singular gram worth being converted-hundreds of tons of TNT if not more. And this existing in every cell, instead of mitochondria. Enough a gram could power a human for the rest of thier natural lives and never need to eat again... something of that nature. If you can generate energy from your processes, you have a start. Through nanotechnological resturcturing, you can change your material properties to create the components you need... And, if you can fuse atoms such as that, freely-you can also split them. As long as you have matter, of ANY KIND, the technocyte (or in this case, the Rhizaphage) can infect it, and convert it. If it's iron, it can't do a lot with it-but it can still make it armor, projectiles, ready-made defensive technology or hive walls and hive structure. If it's anything else, they can fuse it or fission it to generate energy, and stop at whatever convinent atom along the way helps to create their mass.
Great analysis, I especially liked how you mentioned that the Helminth is the one with the frame abilities, as seen with Rhino Prime codex, Kullervo and Umbra. Game constraints aside, it makes sense that the Infested have templates of infested bodytypes they can reuse, in the case of the Boiler unit and the Ancient codex. I did find it odd that you kept showing the infested corpus ship while talking about the derelicts and isn’t it understood that all biology on Deimos is infested? The biggest question I have though, is who would win, Tyranid-tier infested or a really big kavat?
6:51 The Orokin Added the abilities and systems of a warframe via implantation and other tech, meaning that the infested are clearly not able to perform these things on a regular basis. What further supports my theory is that warframes use technological "power", a blue substance in mirror to electricity.
@@PenOfEvil A great reference to the creation of warframes is titania, who was specifically designed, yet still can interact with the helminth. The helminth likely learns from the orokin technology implanted in the helminth infested individuals. What about gyre? specifically using technology, yet still 'created' by a developing 'ai' according to your beliefs. If the infested is this creative, it is also smart. No amount of testing in artificial environments could make a human infested with helminth to procure a lightsaber at will. Warframe may be different for you, but it is a Sci-fi game for me, not a Bio-fi.
@@gysmothediamond2046 Warframe is fantasy AND sci-fi. There are things that blatantly have nothing to do with the laws of any known universe. Some frames like Baruuk even delve into spirituality. Nidus has no technology, Nyx has telekinesis, Dante has an Eldritch book, Inaros is a mummy, Sevagoth is a grim reaper. I don't even know what Equinox is.🤣 Need I go on? The point I'm trying to make is that the logic of the Orokin implementing some sort of technology to cause these abilities is highly unlikely. What is more likely is that the infestation can tap into these abilities when exposed to certain things. The reason I say this is because the Orokin couldn't do any of these things with or without technology. Or at the very least we have no proof.
@@PenOfEvil dunno. Makes more sense to me that a super race with billions at their disposal would make machines that can perform these things rather than a virus that went through simulations by those same people that developed the disease. Is it easier to make something that can learn, or make the things that you want learnt separate?
A huge misconception is that the lore connects but it does not. Though there are many easter eggs throughout Warframe thanking its spiritual predecessor.
i always believed that the infested are the strongest and dangerous faction in warframe but they never get the attention for what the rly deserved- imagine if the infested virus infect the sentients
@@PenOfEvil and subbed, no idea why i didn´t do it yet, really great structure and footage, just a beauty of a video. My personal idea of the infested is that they originated as organism, bound as all life to survive and evolve. But due to it´s insane rate of evolution, it got into the religion and philosophy, tracking with the story-lines so far. On Eris, the infested were isolated. Getting fed more and more, without any problem. So it´s mind had no purpose for survival, but reaching for more complex things. Meanwhile we got the same situation on the derelict, (this one being a bit wonky idk if it´s just not cannon or fused with deimos) The Infestation clearly has it´s limits being confronted with the void. Maybe the reason the helminth and warframes were possible is due to the void purging the Hivemind from it´s Physical body, cutting it off. But while being cut off, Lephantis, the helminth, Eris and Arlo´s group, they all lead to the same ideas of them being the solution, a cure. If there is only one faction, there can´t be any war. Which is true, for conflict you need individuals, but if you have a hivemind, all problems in the System would be no more. As it seems, the infestation is done with material things, they seek community and higher purpose, and with the growing divide, Deimos being the late player here, I think we are gonna have the Infested liches be more of an individual being lost then any of the factions Kuva Liches or sisters.
finished the video, yea its most probably the infestation of warframe is sourced from the cold war and the equivalent events as dark sector has sat on a weird position of its cannon its not cannon its cannon since the creation of the game. we can assume the basic outline of dark sector is true and that during the cold war technocyte was researched with some point after those events leading to the out break that effects 1999 and the year around it with 1999 and the turn of the century clearly being important in some way to the timeline leading to the block time as we know it. if you havent played dark sector yet i 100% suggest playing it. its really good even through DE's struggle with publisher demands, darkness 2 is done on the evolution too like dark sector and warframe, and you can see some of the visual inspiration and style of warframe travel into the textures, myself i either would love a deluxe skin for lavos that is based around the darkness and changes his snakes to the two darkness heads. i would also like to seem them make more prototype skins similar to nyx nemesis and excalibur style as they are awesome.
Thank you so much for your information I am 1000 percent grateful for it. As well as finishing the video regardless of whether or not you see faults. I hope to see you on the next one!!
While I think Helminth does have something to do with the powers of the warframes, given the helminth segment in-game can transfer powers between warframes, I think it's largely the void powers of the tenno that can at least *perform* the abilitys. My headcanon goes something along the lines of the individual frames being genetically coded with their abilities, and those parts getting replaced by the helminth to give other abilities. Which can then be activated and given power through the void energy channeled by the tenno.
No, think of Tenno as unlimited void batteries with no upper limit, the abilities themsleves were used by the warframes beroe the teansference process, Umbra shows this.
@@ParagonGoetia Umbra is the only live frame that we know of, so I guess you're right. But most of the current frames we build are kinda just meat puppets.
@@Modeus_ The warframes were sent into battle before the tenno were integrated, rhino primes lore tab shows this. They were consumed by the infested madness essentially making them go berserk against friend and foe. So we already know this as a fact. Add in the Sacrifice quest stating as much.
@@ParagonGoetia Mhm. By only live frame I meant at the current time. Presumably the older frames either lost faculties to the point of being unable to control themselves or are created as impersonation-esque versions of the original frame
well infested part of warframe is more like foundation for warframe, it is not responsible for warframe's powers as far as we know. Warframe powers are the power of the void channeled and amplified by technology... what we could call a jumper concentrating it into a specific effect. Yes, warframes were originally not supposed to have an operator and probably the abilities of the prototypes were similar at times but probably not on such a scale, tenno is an infinite source of energy for warframes, we stopped caring about the efficiency of their operation, in gameplay we use energy and even in lore we can get tired from the power void, but this power is still incredibly huge compared to those produced by other machines probably also powered by Argon void
Only problem with that thought process is that the Warframes had the abilities to some capacity. Henceforth meaning that their abilities come from the infestation and are "void attuned" or in better words amplified by the void. Even so their powers are still their own, granted by their affliction.
@@PenOfEvil well morphyt and forma they change probady warframe insade can change probady our pet store just data to use in frames. I think in the end if mive mind work on the type of inteligentny as human it can try and coppy weaks version of powers. But it something else not dump but to difrend to think that way.
It's worth noting that warframes were capable of acting without the tenno, but the Orokin had no way of controlling them. Once the tenno were found and could calm them, additional modifications were made to the warframes to make them largely inoperable without the tenno.
@@PenOfEvil tbh I'm on team infested because unlike the flood who can only take over living things the infestation can take over robotics and advanced machinery thanks to salad V
Maaaaaaan you just confirmed my theory, the void is contained by infested on deimos, the man in the wall real enemy is the infestation, he feeds on mind and the mindless can defeat him
we have to add that the power of warframes are not purely from the infested, all those dimensional reality warping abilities are from the tenno, the warframes are simply a conduit like a faucet for the tenno themselves. and the tenno themselves are partly incorporeal hence why they are not quite succeptible to being infested. in a sense if there was something to fear it would be an infested body that is ideal for the man in the wall themselves to somehow. now that would be a threat.
If you understand on a deep scale how the flood from Halo works, then this will make a lot of sense to you. Id honestly say maybe the reason there arent derelicts filled with ancients os because it could be intelligent enough to know it needs to diversify as a species (as seen in Halo) there are various forms for various reasons
Something that can fix most of the lore problems infested have and not only that it can make them more unique is remove the whole dumb hive mind concept, it has been done many times and is just boring, instead what if all infested are independent and are more like animals that communicate telepatically and see each other just as the same species but if they have ambition or are just hungry or angry they would just attack each other and sometimes an infested rises to guide others, others just act like regular animals and form a species that only care doe those that are like them kinda like in deimos or sometimes they unite and creat a hive mind, but that's the key A have mind not one that controls them all but several that compite with each other, this would make them more interesting and would solve the problem with them being so weak since they are not united they keep fighting each other making this crab bucket and that could also be a really good way to introduce infested liches, as infested that want to rise above the others and rule them, you can even introduce some flood elementa into them make that infested learn from what they consume, maybe they don't learn everything to avoid making them too strong but a little bit and they could also eat each other to try to be stronger.
they are relatively contained to their limitations of asimilation, weakness to unecplained phenomenoms and overall slower spread and inhability to create new strains.
Idk how long you have been playing hut alot of dialogue has been cut since void keys were changed to relics and certain events have passed, they describe the pursuit of the tenno tech
I'd like to see some comparisons with other alien infestation types from other universes before believing Warframe's Infested are the strongest. Unless the claim is strictly within the Warframe universe?
There is somewhat of an explanation for that but it's not another strain. They simply have ways of delaying the virus. It's what you use to level up their syndicate. I believe they will eventually succumb to the virus or have some sort of symbiotic relationship.
@@yokai1235 the technocyte are certainly biotechnology, if we called them nanites we'd negate their biological aspects. Ferrite is closer to steel than iron although stated to be iron.
@@PenOfEvil the biological component of the thechnocyte is the infested host the lore spicily say its nanites that take material organic or not and fuse into a homogenous fiber that is them altered to fit a purpose and ferrite is not closer to steel ferrite is pure iron the alloy plates are steel plates
Infested is not pure adaptation; it's also assimilation. That's why Arlo was intelligent. Also I don't think Infested can incubate in the void. Void missions have had Infested Ancients probably for centuries, but no spores or growths present. The void seems to stop both life from coming into existence and from going out of existence. So a microbial entity that requires constant cellular division like the Infested is not able to evolve in the Void. Finally, Heart of Deimos implied that Warframe abilities are Void-powered, not Infested-powered. Warframes are Orokin-Designed, Infested-Built, Void-Powered, and Tenno-Controlled. So the Infested by itself wouldn't be able to reach Warframe levels of power through adaptation alone. It would need to assimilate a mind that understands "that marriage of occultism and science."
Not every strain is capable of assimilation to the same extent. Some strains are completely inept when it comes to assimilation by definition. The emissary is the best by far. Just for clarification.
I hate the fact that theres just a race of people in the game that can just say "no" to the infection of one of the most advanced lifeforms in the universe. goes against literally everything the infestation is based on.
21:00 "we don‘t even know if the infestation can adapt to the void yet" Actually, that‘s what the helminth is. We learn that from Whispers in the Walls with the 1999 intro and Albrechts notes. We further (from an out of game promo) know that the infestation on Deimos is afraid of the Void or rather of Wally specifically. From Albrechts notes we also know that the specialty of the Grey Strain is actually their gargantuan size. You might have noticed that the locations in the open world are parts of the brain, and that Deimos as a whole looks kind of like a skull - the entire planet is turning into an infested head. I‘d also like to bring up the Plaguestar event. The Hemozytes are described as being an "Immune response" by the infestation. In other words, Lephantis is a single antibody of some other much larger organism. Then there‘s the things the infested say to us; Phorid, Lephantis, the Zealots and the infested salvage mission - the infested actually seem to view themselves as saviours!
I think your read on the Helmynth strain overlooks three key details, which indicate that the powers of the resulting warframe don't just come from the infestation. First, Balas selected the hosts very carefully, from among the greatest warriors, and archemedians that the Orokin Empire had to offer. Umbra wasn't just chosen as a test subject because Balas wanted to hurt him (that was a bonus), the resulting infested form retains the sword skills of the greatest Dax sword master to ever live. Additionally, Umbra himself retains some measure of his memories and identity, constantly tortured by a looping replay of the memory of Ballas using Umbra's infested body to murder Daniel. This allowed Ballas to clone Umbra's skills, memories and some portion of his rage fueled frenzy, into each new Excalibur warframe produced. Balas seems to have been inspired by the way the Lorists Ontellia and Remballa retained their ability to communicate psychically, even after one of them became infested by the original technosyte strain, so this doesn't appear to be a new power he added to the Helmynth strain, which is mostly notable for not infecting everything it touches. Second, Balas and his assistants constructed custom tortures for each of the Prime Warframes, to force the infested flesh to evolve in ways that would complement the memories provided. Balas describes the process of shaping the warframes as twisting them in a vice, so I really don't think that were simulations were adequate to create the degree of change we see in these creatures, especially at the speed that the Council was demanding new warframe models from Balas. One could even speculate that Big Fat Promotions, was all part of the plan of developing the Rhino and Grendel blueprints. Thirdly, warframes are not able to fully utilize their most magical abilities without a tenno to supply them with Void energy. Margulus tells the Tenno that a Warframe, "acts as a lens for your affliction, channeling your power." Limbo was a brilliant mathematician and dimensional scientist, but even with his twisted mind, the Warframe needs a tenno partner to do more than dodge in an out of the void. One shudders to think of the consequences, if an unbound strain were to ever infest the Well on Lua.
As shown by many means, Umbra and Arthur alike, the infested can use the void, the difference is that the Tenno are loke an infinite battery with bo actual limit. Just something to consider so people dont get things mixed up. Remember how the only way to defeat the Zealots is by using our Paracasuality from the void eith the light.
I’ll die on this hill: Vome & Fass is THE BEST Night Cycle of any video game. First time I saw it (heard it) I was so confused. Then I was going in the direction of Vome, and heard the sounds again. Vome reacted. So I stopped and watched. BOOM! Head gone. I looked at Fass. Fass just hit me with the 🤭
This is why i love DE's story, lore and the stuff they introduce in game. they're not afraid to try something new and every time they do, 9/10 it pays off
To be fair, the warframes abilities come from them being shaped by the void powers of the operators, and the infested flesh that makes up the warframe just shapes itself into a suitable conduit for it.
There was lore about the infested ancients and why they can heal, in orokin society there were these people called lorists, they could heal wounds with a device called a lorists drive but sadly the infested broke out and learnt how to heal by infecting lorists and later on creating infested healers, (I think they mentioned warframes have very weak lorist drives inside them but I'm not sure)
error at 7:00 the abilities are not the frames alone. "We've been wrong all this time. Tenno do not control the Warframe's divine energy. The Tenno ARE that energy. Each Warframe you control is merely a glass shaping your furious light." "We took the twisted few that had returned from that place (the void). We built a frame around them, a conduit of their affliction." the warframes are just a cup that doesnt break under the force void powers put on flesh. they are strong in their own right but they powers you speak off are not their own.
The main thing that makes the Warframes have the abilities they do is the interaction between the raw void energy and the frame. In order to get new abilities we change the catalyst not the reactant. The frame being the catalyst and tenno being the reactant. Ergo the helminth causes these reactions with its various forms. I don't refer to the tenno much at all because they are simply a power source and nothing more. Good cite though🙌
@@PenOfEvilIt's still a noteworthy mention though as it clarifies that much of what makes a warframe is credited to the Tenno, not to the flesh that makes the frame. The Tenno are hardly 'just' a power source. The true power of the warframes was found in the symbiosis between them and the Tenno, as evidenced by the fact that of all the threats the Orokin ever had to face it was them that proved to be fatal. Not the Infested, Sentients, or even just the warframes alone. The pure status that the void gave was much of it, but the ability to then shape those powers and channel them accordingly is not unimportant to the overall story.
I am glad you didn't lump in Dark Sector into this because people to this DAY bro keep thinking the disease from dark sector is the same, but they keep forgetting the games are not in the same universe. At all. DE uses references to dark sector because they worked so heavily on it and it was supposed to be much different, and its their way of sneaking things about that game into their true vision. In warframe, there was no russia at all. I mean technically speaking were are going back to 1999 but its 1999 in the warframe universe. Also Ancients are specifically infested Orokin, that is why they are more rare. The corrupted ancient codex hints at this, and the long arm makes it even more obvious. Now they used to be just big leapers, but that was a very long time ago and is likely retconned.
The designer for Ballas mentioned that the long arm was a coincidence. Granted, based on the Ancient codex, you’re not far from the mark, since Orokin Lorists was the basis for the ancient healers.
Ngl The Infested put The Nids and The Flood to shame, in terms what they could be capable of. Sure The Nids can reclaim their numbers easily as they’re lost, adapt to nearly anything in The Grimdark Future, The Flood can infect AIs with The Logic Plague but The Infested can do most of that, if not more. They literally haven’t been stopped until their hosts have been stagnated, even then we’ve only taken out 3 Major infested across the entire system. With their adaptability to Universal Constants and as mentioned, their potential to adapt to The Void, that would mean The Warp wouldn’t be off the table either. Given enough time, they could be the first ever Species in Warhammer (Hypothetically) to take a direct fight into The Warp and against the Chaos Gods themselves.
I think the reason not all strains result in the emissary strain is the same reason we have hundreds of flu strains that have slightly different effects. The Technocyte virus isn't a monolith, so each strain finding different ways to thrive results on very different infected forms. Sometimes a virus and an organism make a symbiotic union, like the Helminth does with the tenno, and sometimes a virus just highjacks and overrides behaviors like in some parasitic wasps and flies that use the virus to make their hosts docile or even protective of their brood. The Technocyte virus mutated and found new ways to use its hosts in order to survive
4 months late, I know: To correct you on why Derelicts aren't filled with only Ancients, but also chargers, runners, & other stuff, it's because once the infestation has infected & turned a unit, it stores that information into the hive mind & can replicate it ad infinitum EDIT: After reading the other comments, @Zahn-rad basically confirms what I said
Creating black holes isn't the infested doing, that's the tenno. And ancients are infested orokin. Yeah I'm leaving if there's this many holes I have no reason to listen to you theorize on bad info.
I was telling my friend a few weeks ago as im like what almost into my first year of warframe and i knew little about the infected so i assumed there was like no lore on them then this pops up into my feed and i feel like a right ol idiot basically told my friemd theres little lore on this stuff.
