Warhammer 40k's Confusing New Index: It’s Bad!

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@EonsOfBattle Месяц назад

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@MarcinObuchowski Месяц назад

This index is a way for EC to not be in CSM so that when they get a codex, GW doesn't have to remove units from CSM codex (MY GUESS!) Other guess is - no EC for years, dont bother with their units..

@beanman853 Месяц назад

yeah they did this with world eaters

@michaelscholer1 Месяц назад

There have been rumors the next "new" army for 10th was EC for 12 to 16 months now. Frist there were lots of hints to next demon primearch coming to the full army coming out; however, they couldn't determine an release date. Valrak thought it was this summer but then he got confirmation that AoS new edition was this summer, so minimum they are coming this fall or latest end of 10th. But most of these rumors that were right in the past was about a year at most ahead of time, so I say its the last big release of the year.

@margaretwood152 Месяц назад

| *Grim dork Sigmarites & 20 year old+ Noise Marines Upgrade Pack showcase (?) **_*Yikes._* Pretty bad. |

@waltereadie3620 Месяц назад

@michaelscholer1 it literally says in the article that it's not coming any time soon. You're going to be holding your breath a long time if you are really hoping for a new codex for EC even this edition.

@beanman853 Месяц назад

@waltereadie3620 think about when tsons and world eaters released I.e. end of edition

@imper818 Месяц назад

I think you missread the community articel. It is saying that the codex for Emperors Children is far away, like the end of 10th or 11 Edition, it is not saying they wont get a codex. This exact thing happend when the other 3 god specific csm legions got their codex, they moved to the index for quiete a time

@stevief3796 Месяц назад

So the mystery codex is not emperors children or no?

@mellvins0059 Месяц назад

@@stevief3796it’s probably not

@mrmors1344 Месяц назад

@@stevief3796 mystery summer codex is all but confirmed to be agents of the imperium. pictures came from chinese factory GW uses.

@11AleZZ Месяц назад

The article say: we have nothing, so it's basically no EC Codex for now

@euansmith3699 Месяц назад

"The name's Tabard; Diq Tabard, Imperial Inquisitor!"

@stephenwitham Месяц назад

Noise Marines and Lucius are being removed from CSM Codex. Just like Kharn and Berserkers were removed from the 9th Codex. This is confirmation that EC will get a Codex this edition. These Index rules will let you play your Noise Marines/Lucius models until the EC Codex comes out likely in 2025 or 2026.

@doombringer4519 Месяц назад

I'm pretty sure you can still play Berserkers in CSM, no? Same with Rubric and Plagues Edit: yeah you absolutely can, they're just as allies now

@stephenwitham Месяц назад

@@doombringer4519 Yeah, and now Noise will be the same. That's how they do these things now.

@11AleZZ Месяц назад

Not really, Kharn was a plastic mini, berserkers was confirmed that they gonna get a new kit, on the other hand Lucious is out of production for years, and noise marines aren't even a kit, also GW is removing all resin kits from new codex, so they are basically saying that EC it's in the way to legends

@stephenwitham Месяц назад

@@11AleZZ lol please bookmark this comment and come back by the end of 10th.

@wmkim4039 Месяц назад

Emperor’s Children I think will likely be the 1st “primaris” size chaos marines w/the help of fabulous bile…since he has acquired pure EC gene stock

@MiniatureMasterClass Месяц назад

No. Novels have zero effect on the model designs.

@ElGrompho666 Месяц назад

The Emperor's Childen index is similar to what they did with World Eaters in 9th. They removed them from the codex as a CSM subfaction and gave them some rules in White Dwarf because at that time, it was already clear that they would get their own codex. My guess would be that an Emperor's Children codex is already being worked on (or maybe even done already) and will probably launch at the end of 10th (in which case, don't bother) or early 11th. It is a bit weird though that Emperor's Children seemingly won't get their own army- and/or detachment rule in the index. It seems like they just wanted to remove them from the CSM codex in preparation for their own codex, but didn't bother to give them some unique rules to actually make them relevant in the meantime.

@dr.sommercamp3435 Месяц назад

That sound eleventh edition starterbox to me, mark my words!

@11AleZZ Месяц назад

That's easy, they don't have minis, lucious is out of production for years and Sonic weapons aren't even a mini, so GW kicked out of CSM codex all units without minis

@pancakemogul Месяц назад

Fabulous Bile rejoining Emperor's Children starkly contradicts the lore. He's a pragmatic in a legion of peacocks, shares a mutual disdain for said legion and their Primarch, and doesn't believe that the Chaos gods are gods at all. Thus Creations of Bile being its own faction in 9th made perfect sense.

@RandomIdiotGS Месяц назад

Their last statement seems to mean that they can't give an ETA and we shouldn't expect anything in the short term, but they FINALLY acknowledged they are working on it. If they weren't planning new miniature releases, they wouldn't have made the index. Most likely we'll see a big release at the end of 10th or start of 11th, likely 1-2 years from now.

@simonandersen7942 Месяц назад

Sonic Weapons need some Anti-infantry abilities.

@timunderbakke8756 Месяц назад

Patience Jay, patience. Emperors Children is coming just not coming imminently. It’ll be there by edition end

@star_wars_miniatures Месяц назад

We need Eons of battle merch, t-shirts with “jimmin my jams, flimmin my flams and butter my biscuit 😅

@elijahdprophet Месяц назад

My theory is that the Codex was at the printers and someone said "Hey, did we include the Emperors Children section?"

@maniaxter206 Месяц назад

'Fabulous Bill' so funny

@totalCoolerUsername Месяц назад

Look up the memes, they're golden 😂

@TheMartinator99 Месяц назад

Theyre pulling the EC units from the general CSM codex and putting those few units in the index, as per index DA, index BA, index BT

@TheMartinator99 Месяц назад

Which is to say: its gonna come at the end of the edition, just like WE did. If it came with 11th they wouldnt need to pull those units, if it was soon theyd say it.

@williamings773 Месяц назад

So, EC players will get to enjoy it for about 2 months before 11th drops.

@TheMartinator99 Месяц назад

@@williamings773 hey, if youre lucky im 2 months off and you get 4!

@williamings773 Месяц назад

@@TheMartinator99 😯

@blaholtzen Месяц назад

I think their pattern is the new monogod chaos faction comes at the end of the edition so im not surprised they're not coming yet

@DinoCopRulezTheWORLD Месяц назад

Sisters of Battle need: 1) Infiltrator Sisters squad 5 models with Sniper Rifles (Precision) 2) Flyer transport / Flyer Jet fighter (one kit two options) 3) Cavalry - Sisters on horses charging into battle

@williamamely7038 Месяц назад

I admire the time you invest into each model, especially basing, and painting. Jay, it's always entertaining to watch your channel. Wish you continued success.

@Marine_Abithel Месяц назад

Seems to me like Emperor's children are gonna be like a divergent space marine chapter (you take stuff from the space marine codex but have your own special detachment you can take) similar to black templars who have the "No chaplains" stipulation Emperor's children get the "Only Slaanesh dark pact" stipulation it seems like a way they can keep Emperor's children out of the CSM codex so when they make a standalone Emperor's Children codex they don't have to redo the CSM codex.

@shaunperron7080 Месяц назад

I feel like they're being intentionally vague in some attempt to avoid spoilers for what they have planned. The most current codex roadmap has that redacted entry alongside SoB and GSC right after 3 similarly stacked codices for the spring that are one each imperial, xenos, and chaos. That seems to indicate that the redacted codex is a chaos army. And why hide it if it's an army that's already released? That eliminates the other 3 god specific armies, in my opinion. I think the EC codex is coming a lot sooner than most are assuming.

@Gorkgrog_Gorgax Месяц назад

I love listening to your vids while painting my Cadien legion

@stephenozollos5873 Месяц назад

Jay is just a positive fun personality to watch. I don't even play Warhammer, as I'm all in on historical wargaming but damn do I enjoy watching his content. Keep up the good work bro!

@Xatxitor Месяц назад

If theEmperors Children are in a combat patrol, I'll buy it, no question asked

@skateerdud Месяц назад

Hell yeah, love you Jay

@connendarf3857 Месяц назад

The EC Index announcement seems to breakdown like this: it exists -> we're getting EC as a separate army with their own codex it's currently out with CSM codex -> GW needs to let us know for CSM and Daemons that EC is a separate army it's basically just CSM but flavoured -> GW doesn't have everything tooled out yet and are still figuring out their rules "the astropaths can't see anything yet" -> it's not the redacted codex, and they don't want to reveal stuff just yet

@user-oo2dh8wd3x Месяц назад

Storm cast externals kit bashing you got a awesome unique blood angels

@InnuendoOutTheOther Месяц назад

Good to know I'm not the only one who's always called him Fabulous Bill lol

@knightsljx Месяц назад

there's a good chance that Emperor's Children will be the faction that Primaris-fy the CSM line, given the lore that Bile has managed to create Primaris CSM

@bravetherainbow Месяц назад

Why do people keep talking about primaris chaos marines?? Basically half the range has already had a size update at this point, *after* primaris space marines were already a thing. Not to mention Fabius Bile has been his own dude not an Emperor's Children affiliate for ages.

@AriSolMorningstar Месяц назад

The EC index is basically what BA or DA get, they use codex stuff but can take index stuff

@bravetherainbow Месяц назад

Nope. Blood Angels have their own detachment with a detachment ability, stratagems, and enhancements. I don't think Emperor's Children will get one, otherwise they would have mentioned it instead of encouraging players to just use the other detachments in the new codex.

@loydheatoniii2188 Месяц назад

These new necromanda's members. Would be awesome conversion for the four arm emperor

@gabrielplattes6253 Месяц назад

Those Necromundans are gorgeous! You gotta buy those, and have a painting vid, pls. 😄

@laurencepenfold Месяц назад

They're taking the EC units out from the CODEX but not moving them to legends. Because Lucius and the Noises will be in Codex Emperors Children eventually. They're probably waiting to sell out the Forge World Fulgrim before announcing a plastic version for EC launch.

@bravetherainbow Месяц назад

I guess it will be a bit like Legends, but it's not technically moving them to Legends. It's basically keeping them in Index form for now.

@eriqone9245 Месяц назад

That saboteur is great. Nice oldschool feel to it

@robertsurtees2667 Месяц назад

Fulgrim was a great book, currently 3d printing would be the best way to collect Emporors children, loggyk on cults used to have some but they've been taken down

@gregoryhall4062 Месяц назад

I agree. Would love to paint some necromunda

@Kaihlik Месяц назад

I read the end of the article as, Emperors Children are definitely coming but they are too far out to announce them. I’m not even convinced that they are too far away, just outside of the window where they want to announce a new army.

@maxspooky8991 Месяц назад

Ruffles guy would be an awesome rogue trader

@anealpilot6957 Месяц назад

18:39 those are some really nice flames.

@midnightflare9879 Месяц назад

To this day, I don't understand why didn't they went with the Space Marine codex approach, and just made a detachment for each monogod legion. The could have used the army rules as detachment abilities.

@carysage Месяц назад

Would love to see a cowardly lion paint job on that dude!

@casonjuni4746 Месяц назад

This is basically what they did with World Eater's(not having them in the codex then releasing the army) and Angron/The Lion. So maybe Fulgrim and another loyalist? Leman perhaps if we're going off the emoji thing?

@DrVitoti Месяц назад

There is nowhere in the article that says that EC are getting a full index.they are just releasing the lucius and noise marines datasheets online instead of putting them in the csm codex so that when they release EC in full at the end of 10th edition you dont hace EC in both its codex and the CSM codex. Its quite easy to understand if you read the article.

@bravetherainbow Месяц назад

They call it "Index: Emperor's Children" in the article. And I agree with you that it seems like they won't get any rules beyond the datasheets, but that makes it a pretty deceptive title to give it. Should have just called it "Emperor's Children datasheets" since that's all it is.

@megajackle130 Месяц назад

I've built legionarries with the Noise marine weapons, and tbf, they look pretty decent. They look their age but fine.

@CaptainComatose Месяц назад

Yeah, the noise weaponry works with the new CSM. I didn't like the flat inside of the pauldrons, though, so I reinforced the edges with some thin plasticard, too give them some depth.

@coralynnremning9083 Месяц назад

When I want to take a break from the trashfire going on in some part of the "fandom", I come here, to a wholesome, actually talented artist and it all seems so far away. Keep doing what you do, always brings a smile to my old face.

@jonathanellis5811 Месяц назад

It certainly seems like Emperor’s children should’ve just been a detachment option for CSM.

@adammajor123 Месяц назад

I scrolled down the article looking for information on new EC releases... there was none!

@reddemon8916 Месяц назад

So you look at the three identical Stormcast release but not at new Clanrats that look all different from each other?

@MrZangetsu1997 Месяц назад

The index is a way for you to still play EC until the full Codex arrives, they're telling people how to use CSM as EC, which you could do before the CSM Codex released, if Lucius was your Warlord, then you could use Noise Marines as Battleline units, you also had to choose Slaanesh as your Keyword for any Daemons The article is highlighting how to play EC with the current ruleset and why Noise Marines and Lucius have been removed from CSM This means that EC are getting a full Codex, but not yet, the index still isn't ready, when the index is announced, it will highlight some new units and will function like the other Chaos God Marines, we *will* get a new Lucius Model and a Noise Marine kit as well as other EC kits, just probably not right away, Similar to how Angron wasn't released until the end of 9thE

@Gumlass1 Месяц назад

The index is a placeholder for the codex. It'll definitely be in this edition.

@rayquetzalcoatl9672 Месяц назад

Is it possible that they've put this index out to sort of indicate that they're moving towards making new EC sculpts and models? It seems like they've just sort of announced it before they've really got anything to show yet!

@CocoHutzpah Месяц назад

Lol, Fabulous Bill. I'm disappointed I didn't think of that myself.

@gamer23xd91 Месяц назад

Question from a complet newby. I started my deathguard and first army this week cause I love the visual but I also like the Angron modell. So my question is, is there a way I can justify having an angron in a deathguard army? Like i know from the poorhammer video that you can sup stuff into your army.

@jacobfarias2335 Месяц назад

I mean it would be kinda difficult to justify but you could try to use angron as a mortarian proxy as the rules are you cannot put world eaters with death guard

@gamer23xd91 Месяц назад

@@jacobfarias2335 Ok could I proxy him as something else too or would I just be able to proxy him as Mortarion?

@jacobfarias2335 Месяц назад

@gamer23xd91 that's where the difficulty comes in as deamon primarchs are some of the biggest models in there ranges so there's not much else I could think to use

@star_wars_miniatures Месяц назад

We need more Star Wars content please! 😅 love when you talk legion!

@ksrknwht300klls Месяц назад

Emperor's children picture is so old that they used the old cadians for the promotional picture

@xhydra870 Месяц назад

Im pretty sure its getting its own detachment and strats its just honna be more like a free add on than being a whole thing like what their doing to the Darkoath in Age of Sigmar

@PeteOfDarkness Месяц назад

I think this may be "Index" that is basically EC stuff bundled in one detachment to use as companion piece with Codex CSM, so in case they'll get Codex GW can simply remove index and have both armies separate.

@TheGreytinator Месяц назад

It's not that Emperor's Children codex isn't coming, it's just that it's coming towards the end of 10th edition, maybe the start of 11th (2025 at the earliest, 2026 most likely). It is, however, and shit teaser that I find hard to understand why they sent it out in the first place.

@michaeltolbert25 Месяц назад

Dammit! It's my birthday today and imma splurge on 40k😤😤😤

@AndrewNarog Месяц назад

"Detachments and stratagems is what gives an army its flavor" - notice how much 10th did away with flavourful detachments and stratagems. The fact they didn't give Emperor's Children unique rules yet doesn't surprise me. GW seems to be striving to disappoint lately.

@elhaselkim11 Месяц назад

Excited for EC!

@anothernate3302 Месяц назад

Fixer's bag is probably full of extra, specialized arms, like Manuel from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

@mrmors1344 Месяц назад

40k 11th edition launch box is going to be [whichever primarch loyalist hates fulgrim most] versus emperor's children lol, and they are going to be those new shiny "primarus chaos marines" fabius bile made with stuff from alpha primus & the new stock of uncorrupted geneseed from deal with the necron guy.

@grahamcarpenter691 Месяц назад

I can't find the index.

@cetx Месяц назад

It's weird to me that the Stormcast Eternal lore isn't reflected in either their model design or game mechanics. The fact they lose part of themselves every time they're reforged is a bummer, I guess, but I don't feel it. They seem like really powerful crusaders to me, because that's how they look and play.

@hunterreams9992 Месяц назад

"Ruffle guy" would make a nice Rogue Trader

@odharrison23 Месяц назад

Jay: maybe he only needs two fingers? Michael Scott: that’s what she said!!! I bet the index drop for EC is a hype for the army coming this summer?? I have not idea!! Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!

@bravetherainbow Месяц назад

"Index Emperor's Children" really seems like a misnomer. Honestly I doubt there will be anything at all in it that isn't already in Index Chaos Space Marines. It will have the datasheets and... that's it. No detachment rules, nothing beyond "a guide" for fielding Emperor's Children, ie restrictions without any benefit in return.

@titanmatrix Месяц назад

I thought it was clear. It's a supplement. It's going to function like space Marines but for EC.

@n_athos Месяц назад

What a weird take for EoB, it’s clearly that the CSM codex is coming out and Lucius and Noise Marines aren’t in it cause EC is coming near the end of the edition. So they made an index to contain those two units, it’ll probably have a detachment rule and strategems that aren’t gonna be the same as the actual EC codex detachments

@EscapefromCadia Месяц назад

At 4:00 you bring up a good point about changing stormcast, and i simply want them to lean into dragons much heavier. My girlfriend loves dragons in DnD and wants to play Stormcast but the few dragons are huge, very expensive, and OOPs all dragons lists are some of the most annoying shit in Aos, as rarely as you come across it all dragons just wipes for some reason lmao, so i wish they made a small box of lime ten baby drakes that were a small stormcast infantry unit and didnt have riders. Just like terrors they unleash on the opponent

@Moonenvoy93 Месяц назад

I'm still hoping that agents leak turns into something good. It would be nice to see the AoS 40k trade go the other way for a change.

@lillithara5120 Месяц назад

I'm pretty sure the index is just going to be a place holder for until EC codex comes out without GW having to remove CSM codex stuff.

@williamamely7038 Месяц назад

I still have an entire 30k army to assemble, let alone, paint. Also have Primaris Marines, but most are tabletop ready. So much work to do.😅😅😮

@DecChild12 Месяц назад

By my roots, by my words, by my twisted thoughts and innocent deeds. She who thirsts will devour the galaxy.

@socalastarte6727 Месяц назад

How quickly we forget the entire range refresh for the Tyranids at launch of 10th. What’d we get like 14-15 brand new units, with amazing new models?

@LB-yg2br Месяц назад

Emperors children have always been hamsters in power armor

@darcyleaman3839 Месяц назад

The tau strike team have a 4+ overwatch but realistically you don't want them close ever

@phillipdoe7967 Месяц назад

OPR has codex for Lust Brothers

@bartmcg7635 Месяц назад

love the sponsor at the intro. half as interuptive :)

@frederickflores8152 Месяц назад

Not buying into either of those battle force boxes for two generic looking lords. I'm in the process of converting and magnetizing my own jump pack lord right now. Saving big buy money for 4th ed aos launch

@LiliaArmoury Месяц назад

we need jump pack cannoness so we can finally take them against after 12 years

@Kevathar1138 Месяц назад

While I understand that Slaanesh doesn't have his(her?) own chaos space marine option, lets be honest: Votann are the ones in most need of a range expansion. They basically have only a single option for any single battlefield role. If they were aligned with another faction, this might be okay, but that isn't the case.

@timunderbakke8756 Месяц назад

There are multiple armies who have sat in that spot multiple editions. Thousand Sons have one unit for each role essentially. I expect Votann will have a second wave sometime this edition. It probably won’t be as large as their first launch but it’ll likely give them a couple options

@had_matter Месяц назад

While I don’t play it aos looks awesome

@tonydiazist Месяц назад

0:23 love you Jay

@hairoku Месяц назад

I would love to see a nude data card for Lucius the Eternal

@Bladecharge Месяц назад

They are probably still working on the index. There will probably be more stuff in e future

@iconoclast1986 Месяц назад

I started collecting 40k again after over a decade of nothing. Decided to go with Emperors Children as I thought they'd be the next faction to be updated after Thousand sons, Khorne, Death Guard etc. After seeing this video, I'm dissapointed, I could go out and buy a chaos lord and convert it into Luciuos but I was hoping for a new model/models of Slaanesh. But hey, no doubt we'll get more blue boys really soon! Haven't had enough Space Marines 🙄

@timidwolf Месяц назад

14:30 "It's just gonna be a nude!" Slaaneshi Freudian slip. 😆 I called this happening when you predicted the ECs. GW has been really reluctant to do Slaaneshi stuff for awhile, a handful of models in a small release and then quickly moving on without a mention for years.

@calebbarnhouse496 Месяц назад

GW is relectuent to release anything except marines

@LiliaArmoury Месяц назад

ec will get a new codex released a few months out from 11th ed 40k like happened with world eaters

@Shuller883 Месяц назад

As a emperor's children player even though their is no real substance, i am so happy!

@sammci Месяц назад

Sorry but don’t understand the confusion. They’re clearly planning to do a separate EC Codex later down the line so the simplest option was to remove their units from the main CSM codex now - otherwise they would have to release a second newCSM codex towards the end of the edition when EC get theirs.

@albirieo Месяц назад

From what I understand the Index isn't even out yet.

@Riddler_von Месяц назад

Best line in the vid I “maybe he can do a lot with a little”😅

@MiniatureMasterClass Месяц назад

Fulgrim is the next Primarch to return.

@Rook986 Месяц назад

The Index means the codex is guaranteed. It was just a way to let people play stuff that is being removed from codex chaos space marines to go in emperors children eventually

@Anti_Mage Месяц назад

Slaanesh retcon incoming. Less shreksual and more greed focus. Expect the Slaanesh demons looking more like serpents.

@Grrizz84 Месяц назад

To me it feels like the index is just going to be a stat test for the codex the release in a year or so.

@brokenheroics8223 Месяц назад

My personal opinion, and it is my own. But I think GW is worried to go to hard with Slaanesh and EC in this day and age. Slaanesh has a "reputation" to be a certain way, and now any Slaanesh army has that tagline. (Sexy Chaos God) if they can manage to reset that button and focus on the finesse and way they were in 30K it we will see some amazing EC rules and lore.c I don't know. I'm ranting, but it's been my focus on the topic, GW put themselves in the corner with Slaanesh armies.

@bravetherainbow Месяц назад

Ehhh... fans always overemphasise the sexual parts of Slaanesh. Noise Marines have very little to do with sexiness.

@donkratos5627 Месяц назад

BLOOD ANGELS / SPACE WOLVES REFRESH INCOMING

@kallax7172 Месяц назад

They are treating EC like the black Templars or any codex non compliant space marine chapter. This is Index supplement EC. Which is fine, but feels weird to chaos players because DG, TS, & WE are their own things and cannot be mixed like how space marines work.

@bravetherainbow Месяц назад

Black Templars have their own detachment. I don't think this will have even that. It would be nice, but there's no mention of one anywhere in the article.

@kallax7172 Месяц назад

@@bravetherainbow true, but I bet it’s in the codex. Like with space marines there will be detachments for all the original legions. That will include EC. It’s BS that they will not just give us the rules for free as if you’re a EC player you are playing for a whole book to use 2 pages, but that’s a problem with all the codex releases this edition. They gave us all the rules for free. Only to take that away from us and make us pay for them plus new options