Warhammer Armies: Dogs of War (1998) - Codex Compliant 

I dont think this is the actual justification for Borgio’s, but the concept sparked a cool idea in my head. In Morrowind, a giant meteor is held above a city in stasis, NOT stopped conventional, and if the effect lifts, it will return to its original momentum. the idea of an enchantment that “holds” the velocity of a cannon ball in stasis until it hits sounds epic.

It does make sense atleast in this version of FB, Some people are capable of willing their renown into reality even without their knowledge (Look at Old empire and bretonnian armybooks) as some sort of martial magic similar to how faith work being based on belief

I feel bad for knowing the context of that one

@Lind Morn I imagine that they have a different kind of crossbow, not one with a foot stirrup. But the text in the codex says they can move and shoot BECAUSE they have both their hands free. If you give a crossbowman on foot that crossbow, wouldn't he also be able to move and shoot with that? I can't think of a real reason why being stuck to a flying machine that requires you to move your feet in a very rhythmic pattern would give you any advantage in reloading hands or no hands. I checked the art and the models, and the crossbows do not have a winch or any foot stirrup. It's a big mystery.

Fukken died.

I think the real reason why birdmen of catrazza could fly and shoot is because as a flying unit they have to had a certain minimal speed or they just stall and crash.

Now this is woke.

I was hoping for a 60's TV show jump-cut faux-teleport with a funny sound effect.

That's what we call a win-win situation!

"One nil to the Arsenal" was a period appropriate chant at Highbury.

I know nothing about soccer and wouldn't have caught that in a million years but that's pretty funny. :P

@@EntropicEcho To be fair, these are also a bit less repeated these days anyhow...

Always strike first and +1S vs cavalry if memory serves. Fluff-wise the Empire should have pikes, not spears, as they fight in the fashion of the Estalian (read Portuguese) tercio but I Always figured that GW was afraid of pikes as little Jimmy will inevitably poke his, or someone else's, eye out with them. Also white metal pikes are, and were, absolute bobbins (there's a reason why historical gamers use brass or steel rod for them).

@@blastvader That sounds about right rules-wise. And yeah, many armies that use spears can have arguments for pikes, at least ones with any experience in facing cavalry... but as you say, model wise they were a pain. All the pike units were metal, and I don't think the plastic of the day would have done much better, plus transport and storage would have been a nightmare. And ruleswise I think having them be more widespread would have had them be somewhat op or they would need to be really pricey.

@@blastvader The *Nuln* army in particular was at one point noted for using pikes, as it was said to have been influenced by the Tilean style of warfare, and I think way back in 3rd edition the Empire could field units with pikes, but the core they were built around was always halbadiers.

@blastvader counter points: 1) You can use regular spears in a tercio. Many irl pikemen shortened their pikes to spear length*, aditionally the terfio in and of itself is just a square of pole arm troops supported by crossbowmen swordmen (tercio is named after the 3 kinds of troops). 2) estalia is never mentioned as useing pikemen tercios only glaivemen tercios. Other points: 1) speaking of irl pikemen shortening their pikes. Pikes are unwieldly weapons ill suited to uneven terrain or terrain with lots of trees and bushes. Most of the empire in warhammer fantasy is densely wooded to a much higher degree than irl Renaissance Europe. Meaning empire pikemen would likely shorten their pikes much more often than irl pikemen assuming they ever even adopt pikes. It must also be noted the greeks/Macedonians started to abandon the pike because shorter spears are so much more useful in the hilly and mountainous terrain of Greece and the fact men were shortening them anyway. 2) Furthermore pikes are not as good against cavalry as is commonly believed (many people see them as a hard counter to cavalry). It's only the combination of pike and gunpowder that is super effective against cavalry, as the shot breaks up the cavalry formation. Properly formed lance cavalry more often than not will break even braced pikemen. Even the famous Swiss pikes regularly broke to frontal cavalry charges by undisrupted cavalry. Its been shown lancers can and will parry the vast majority of unwieldy pikes, so if the cav maintain formation the pikemen are simply unable to land a hit. Cavalry braking though even elite pikemen became so common standard pike formaitons included units of halberdiers behind the like block to counter the cavlry breakthroughs before they cna do serious harm. The Dutch (considered masters of the pike at the time) manuals for pikmen actually state cavalry as the biggest threat to pikemen even after the introduction of gunpowder, and the main enemy for pikemen was actually other infantry. ->even pistoliers are very effective against pikes. Their point blank pistol shots can break up the pike formation opening up routes to break through. Although this happened less often, as while cavalry numbers were maintained (infact expanded), by % they decreased as human populations were able to expand due to improved tech but horse populations remained similar in size. Thus cavalry became more valuable and thus used less aggressively. But it still happened. 3) for the idea every people experianced against cavalry would adopt the pike, I would point to Eastern Europe. Where the pike never became popular despite cavalry being far more numerous a foe and the pike being a well known weapon. Regular spearmen combined with shot were the prefurred anti-cavalry infantry in Eastern Europe (and China for that matter). My point is pike is not really an anti-cavalry troop. They are spearmen with some aditional advantages (espeically against other spearmen) and some aditonal disadvantages. Sorry for the large blocks of text. Tldr: the empire has many reasons not to use pikes and pikes are not hard cavalry counters.

This is a dope ass response, never feel ashamed for a thorough answer.

There was a hosepipe ban on, after all...

These guys and commander bernhardt of shadow of the horned rat/dark omen (Also a mercenary band) are my wishlist guys, would love to see them return in some form, even if minor rewrites are needed Would also increase their chances of receiving models for old world, which would be lovely

@@egnaroelprupif you Google it there’s a couple of kitbashes people have done and made the entire grudgebringer army 👌🏻

"I can only hope/assume, given that the batrep still went to print, that he took it in his stride..." A podcast (I've forgotten whom) was interviewing the Perry brothers about sculpting recently and they got onto the topic of flash and injection points on miniatures, at which point they said something about miniatures suffering "misshapen elbows." Apparently Michael kind of waved his arm with the missing hand as a visual joke, but the host wasn't sure how to explain the joke to the audience without risking offending Michael, who luckily jumped in and ended the awkwardness by finishing the sentence for them. So I can only imagine that he took that event in pretty good spirits too, even if it was many years closer to the incident.

I was told, during the brief period I worked for GW, that he would bring the video out at parties. He was using the sponge on a cannon (the sheepskin on a stick thing that they swab the barrel with) during a Napoleonic reenactment and pushed an errant spark back down the barrel where there was still an amount of unburnt powder, this promptly did what it was meant to and exploded sending the sponge, and his lower right arm that was using to hold onto it, out across the field of 'battle'.

@@blastvader Jesus Christ, re-enactors are metal as hell. My dad took an axe to the face on my 14th birthday and lost most of his teeth in the process. Don't think he'd have gone so far as to share video footage though!

@@Kolyarut I mean, it could pretty apocryphal. Though I'm pretty sure I'm correct in /how/ he lost the arm.

It was against beastmen, correct?

I will always associate that name with Gaston Lagaffe, a Belgian comic book from the 1970's about an eccentric office worker and amateur inventor

No one's Dread like Gaston, Duels Undead like Gaston, no one's name is the French word for Bread like Gaston.

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer I've been upstaged. You win, that's better than what I wrote.

​@@legateelizabethAh, but I wouldn't have been inspired to do it without your comment, so we can both credit eachother.

Hi dad

@@theinquisitionsparrot6749 ....the gene seed corruption has gone a bit far.

@@theinquisitionsparrot6749 hes back from vacation

They also made mordheim warbands were these models were obviously ment to be used....

The dogs of war idea seems like it would fit into how factions are structured in AOS super well, and god knows they could charge a fortune for each set. Would be awesome if they bring them back for Old World though

I have a sneaking suspicion that part of the reason for some of these almost historical looking units existing was for the sculptors (looks to me like like probably the Perrys) to just get a chance to make the "Renaissance warfare" units they wanted and find an excuse for them to be included in Warhammer.

@@triangulan Yes, they were sculpted by the Perry brothers.

Not mediocre per se, but since they would take a special slot in an O&G, they aren't worth it compared to the other special units the greenskins have. However, on their own/in a Dogs of War army you are looking at T4, S4 on the charge, heavy armour carrying orcs with a hero level champion. So they do provide a solid crossbow unit, albeit an unpredictable one due to animosity. But that's what make them fun!

they were actually the 2nd version of Ruglud's, the first were during 3rd edition very early on iirc.

i always regretted not getting Richter Kruger's cursed company

My big regret is the Alcanti fellowship but after my five hundred other things in my pike of blessings, I might pull out some Perry/vitrick and stop letting my dreams be dreams

I think Rick Priestley was the archaeologist

@@oitoitoi1 Did a quick search; both of them are. Which explains how wfb drank so deeply off real life history. Fun fact; the Perry twins were (and still are) avid reenactors. Though one lost his arm to a cannon accident during a Hundred Years War reenactment, but learnt to sculpt with the other

@@Mrkabrat Cool, yeah quite incredibly after losing his sculpting arm, he taught himself to sculpt with his other hand while in hospital, then made the Green Knight as his first mini for GW when back at work. Unbelievable talent!

@@oitoitoi1 I do believe there's an interview with the Perry twins in one of the old Citadel Journal which can be found in the Internet Archive, so do give them a read since they add some fluff, scenarios and other cool stuff

This also means it's relatively easy to put together a cheap Dogs of War army using historical miniatures. Including from Perry Miniatures, of course. Although I also fancy using the Conquistadors and Landsknecht Ogres kits from Wargames Atlantic, for variety. But it's Dogs of War, so I can fit them all in. No need to choose.

Terry Pratchett absolutely loved the WFB world, he said if it had been around when he was a kid he never would have written discworld.

@@oitoitoi1he was also offered to be one of the first novelists writing books for its world. He said it might be fun provided they didn’t expect him to take it as seriously as it obviously took itself, which given this book is very funny to think of.

They, along with other RoR such as Lumpin Croop's Fighting Cocks, Albion Giants and Mengil's Manflayers, where added in later issues of WD, and later on got updated and added to the Warhammer Chronicles

​@@MrkabratTichi Huichi's Raiders were like that, I was always a fan of them!

Oldskool WFB player now playing Gitz in AoS says hi!

inspired by Lucrezia Borgia

@@oitoitoi1 ahhh, I see, thanks for the info.

I remember that one, the rules for the undead mercenaries came in an old White Dwarf issue

Dogs of War did actually get a 6th edition list. I think it was published in White Dwarf, and then the annual they have in the video. As well as expanding the unique units, it created *generic* units, like generic pikemen and the like.

@@triangulan was published in white dwarf then warhammer chronicles, there was the regiments of reknown list (this book), then the dogs of war list which was a generic tilean army list.

yeah early editions of Warhammer had MORE stereotypical British silliness not less of it

You had trouble assembling your models and so you fluffed them as being a nurgle force, I love it. If there is an anecdote more true to the spirit of warhammer, at least what it used to be, then I heaven't heard it. I salute you.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but were not many of the DoW units in the book also originally White Dwarf units that were collected into one book, and then fleshed out a bit?

Yes, the points saved by not having to take compulsory hero level characters allowed you to take more troops, and with ranks and outnumbering bonuses it was better to have more men than an extra attack.