Correction: Dave erroneously stated that the army books were not being released at the same time as the arcane journals. This is incorrect. You will note they are not featured in the video. We misread embargo information, and made a mistake. These books are available on launch. These errors are easy to make with a 2 day turnaround from getting products to releasing videos. Apologies. You still need 3 books to play with Elisse Duchard though ;)
Pre orders sold out????? Wtf GW don't understand what pre-orders are I guess it's to be expected when you hire gender studies majors to handle actual buisness ffs!
@@aristeia71yep, did also get that off the cuff reference to a show my dad watched when I was 5 wrong. If only we had more than 2 days to make this video 😂
I feel like it might have been more helpful to simply remove the erroneous part of the video. So much he said was incorrect it’s almost not worth watching.
As a Skaven player who sold his army and then decided to buy two huge army sets month before GW said Skaven won't really be there... I might be digging under a building in Nottingham. Yes-yes.
I`ll start the game probably with my skaven too. And while they won`t be in gws statement tournament lega, I have a feeling we‘ll see a lot of tournament organizer who‘ll probably just ignore those words
@@fragfmgill We will see. They already said there will be no support for "legacy" armies post release and you won't be able to play them on official events.
For me, the appeal of Old World is that is classic, stereotypical fantasy. There's a lot I like about AoS, but a lot of it takes the weird fantasy to an extreme that I bounce off, whereas Old World is just middle of the road classic sword and sorcery which is an aesthetic I a more interested in.
Fantasy Battles have always been very high fantasy. Total War is an insanely high fantasy with huge flocks of dinosaurs, dragons and mammoths. Dragon God Space Emperor of China especially. And this Old World is just a soy fantasy with Good versus Evil on a copied map of Europe.
i painted a whole army of these fellas and yes. need someone with talent to paint then. and the owner of the army told me that he loved the end result but for me is not the best painting possible. but yea... catachan and old sisters of battle needs someone with good painting hands.
One exception: the Catachan diorama at Warhammer World in Nottingham. It is small, in a hall full of dioramas, but the way that the Catachans actually looked contemporary really caught my eye.
In terms of who the new buyers are: its people who found it through Total War: Warhammer. I am super nostalgic for The Old World, but my issue currently is neither launch armies were one I'm interested in personally.
You should be worried about the pricing benchmarks moving forward if the first two releases are anything to go by. Depending where you are in the world, something like three Ushabti will run you about $80-$100. Selling upwards of three decade old models - many of which are awful metal and resin - for prices which sometime exceed modern counterparts is not a sustainable long-term business model.
total war player here. most of us won't buy into that cash grab. its expensive, has old and some ugly models and the gameplay isn't nearly as dynamic as total war games. just take the tables, for example. there is no space for movement. even the really small total war: warhammer maps are A LOT bigger than those gaming tables.
I think you have your answer, like the gent in the video I turned my nose up at these minis as a 10 year old 20 years ago because they looked old and naff. This won't bring new people into the game.
I can give GW respect for using two armies that got totally removed from AoS as their launch factions. My only concern is how they will handle it. GW REALLY needs to treat the setting and game with care in my opinion.
They're already going full-throttle into that "Lawful Good vs Chaotic Evil" instead of the moral greyness of the old stuff and it's really concerning. The history nerds who wrote for GW have left long ago in favor of safe, sales-conscious, comic book writers.
@@TaRAAASHBAGS Which is odd because several of the factions don't fit either if you look at them...especially the Brettonian/Wood Elf fluff...or entire forces that are more neutral or even opposite of the main faction. For example the old Strigoi were good guys that were also undead monsters, protecting the living of their people. The Tomb Kings tended to be more straight up neutral because they tended to not care as much unless someone else set them off.
So their using moulds from GW’s early days in using plastics? I worked in the factory in 1993 which produced these minis and all plastic kits, rhino, land raider etc, so i do have very fond memories of those skeleton hordes and endless mk1 space marines on sprues, i worked there for 2 years and my job was mixing the polymers with colours and release agents to fill up the machines hoppers, mundane AF but i loved working there, plus i worked with my father, who too worked for the company so i get very misty eyed whenever anything from this era comes along! That does date me somewhat, in fact this coming monday i turn 50, and i began painting citadel miniatures in the mid 1890s right up to leaving school, by the time i worked in that factory, i was over the miniatures, but i still loved seeing new moulds produce brand new minis and kits, exciting times!
IMO Mordheim or "Mordheim" should be refreshed as a fantasy "necromunda" line. With no skaven support this game is a pass for me for now until maybe we get some kiselv
Made me laugh out loud when Dave said he was impartial half way through the vid 😂 After watching 15 minutes of him almost chundering due to all the old/recycled sculpts and art charged at modern prices.
@@TabletopTimeif you had no interest then why do it and be mostly negative. I understand people have their personal tastes. I for one really enjoyed Warhammer, both the modeling aspect and especially the game play. Why not play a few games and get an overall experience of the whole project as well - before digging a grave. You did have a valid point of support, but speaking as a Warhammer TO and player. There are a lot of people that played and many of them never touched Sigmar because the rules and game play did not appeal to those players as Warhammer Fantasy did.
Honestly, the opening bit has me in stitches. Editor Liam in full armour and stuff, looking straight out of a movie set, and then Jenn as the Lady of the Lake just in a TTT Shirt and Jeans. You have bamboozled me. I somehow knew the lady would be Jenn, but for some reason i was expecting a medieval gown or something. Completely blindsided by normal clothes. Now to actually watch the video hahaha Edit: Farewell, Noble Sir Liam! Your work will never be forgotten. Good luck on your mighty quest. I might have to collect something in the Old World. If they release Cathay im definately getting those, but that feels unlikely since that'd be a buttload of new minis. I'll likely end up going Orcs or something again, like I did in my youth, or perhaps i'll finally be able to field the clan Skryre list of my dreams.
I loved Warhammer Fantasy for its rules which, at the time, I found were more tactical that 40k of the time. The models age never bothered me. That being said, I played a magic heavy vampire counts army and with the change to the magic phase, I'm waiting to see how they play before committing to the system
We will have special rules, just not the fancy alternative army lists. Fantasy didn't have balance updates through the previous 8 editions. So long as the initial rules are reasonable, it'll be fine. Obviously, they could be terrible! @@belianore8999
Yeah, I remember that film as a kid. Really got me into skeletons, haha. Tomb Kings' theme is cool, as well. I always liked them. I dislike Sigmar, personally. Note: Tomb Kings were likely inspired by old skeletons, though I have no idea if it was based on Jason or not. Maybe the big heads were for the same reasons: detail. Or, maybe the proportions are quite realistic? If you look at real human skeletons, the head is fairly large, the arm bones are tiny, and the chest/ribs are large. So, no matter what, the arms are too large for the GW minis. They likely couldn't make them any smaller without risking it falling apart.
I would counter your point about middle earth being squatted, they apparently hired a new sculptor dedicated to middle earth a few months ago, something they wouldn’t likely do if they were planning to discontinue the game any time soon
I think in the MESBG case it's more about GW wanting to keep the LOTR rights so others can't have it rather than actually wanting to do something with it.
Random tarts distributing swords is no basis for a crafting video!! You see this?! Whats next?! Terrain from coconuts?! I dare say, wait til Tim hears about this! Release the rabbits!!
It all really looks like one of those projects that has potential but is treated by GW as a side/specialist game that will be around in obscurity for a bit, especially with all the old models and resin being a large part of the range. Looks like the HH of fantasy right now.
exactly. Imagine GW was smart and would have redone the whole system wholeheartedly with complete new models, streamlined rules, easy entrypoint and a marketing campaign tailored for the 1 million strong total war playerbase.
As a slightly bitter Heresy guy, I feel so much better about the amount of plastic kits I got that are new compared to these. Some of these are more expensive than my new kits with more dudes in them.
@@envaya9838 Considering that WHFB failed to begin with, that is pure cope on your part. GW was smart, and sold TOW as a specialist game without spending much by using old models while using modern prices. They will have a small but dedicated fanbase and expand from there.
Now imagine just how much that would cost, and try to work out how they are goign to fit that into their already over-streatched production schedule. Old World is a risky investment. That was never going to happen.@@envaya9838
Kinda sucks Jen and Murray weren't there to open up and talk about the boxsets. It would have been more interesting when it's from people who actually were looking forward to this release.
At £25 each, I wouldn't bother. They were a rip-off when they were first released, and are a rip-off now. There are already cheaper printed versions avaliable.
I would wager that they will give each army supported a sort of relaunch. But not haveing Skaven? Wuuuuuuut? Atleast haveing support for their PDF armies would be expected :/ They are hinting at moveing the story / year forward. So hopeing they can add more armies later. If the game sells well enough for a Old World 2nd edition
I was genuinely horrified when I saw the old horses were just being rolled into this new release... Just feels so low effort for such a huge box price tag. Not a good sign for how they plan to support the game either, that they are leaning this hard on old moulds this early on
Sculpting new kits is expensive. It's even more expensive to create molds for plastic models. GW doesn't know how well it's going to do, so it makes sense to use existing models at release. There are a lot of AoS kits that have only fairly recently been replaced. Skaven & Beastmen are still rocking 30 year old kits, and at AoS prices.
Problem is that's a double edge sword-if you *don't* put in the effort, people might either A: consider it lazy if they know that or B: consider them to just look weird and bad if they don't and kill the game before they get to see how it'd do, pre-destining it to failure. @@zlobzor
I think one of the points of using the older models, especially in the launch sets, is nostaligia marketing. Both for those who collected when it was originally around and will be excited to see it on the shelves again. And also as was said, for those who couldn't collect it at the time, but want to now. Also, using the older moulds is a wise move on GWs part, as it allows them to gauge interest without spending a lot of money on the production of new moulds.
Welp mordheim models, necromunda conversions. And oldworld models are back on the menu it seems. If in doubt any model can be a necromunda model. And a mordheim if you get all the scfi stuff removed. Heck yeah.
I played back in high school in the early 90s with two of my best friends. After graduation we all went our separate ways, the gaming store in town stopped supporting it and I no longer had anyone to game with. So I sold most of my armies and had to carry on. For me it is a reminder of my youth and the friends left behind by time and distance.
Its VERY worrying that there's not enough different new models. Just seems like the olde style GW "half-arse launch then never support the game past launch" they used to do. Without new models, there isn't going to be any fiscal traction so I can't see how GW will support it unfortunately (old Skaven player here btw)
Remember, this is a specalist game, not a core line. They don't expect the same sales volume as AoS & 40K, so the investment isgoing to be smaller. New kits are hugely expensive to produce. Looking at the way the game has sold so far, stuff is selling well. Hell, go look at the current AoS skaven range.
The templates were originally orange and came in both 40k and fantasy main boxed sets, there was also the smoky white version you could get on its own (and were about 1mm smaller lol), one of the sets even had a dark red set, I can't remember which set though. The green ones didn't appear until the 40k Apocalypse rules came out, they were also a different design and thicker than the older ones.
I think the whole “DE n lizardmen” statement is spot on as the latter got updated and we’ve been teased with AoS’ shadow aelves for a while now. However I’m also very cautiously optimistic on The Old World at the moment because I do feel it’s a completely different beast and really needs to bring in a newer fan base of its to be successful or at the very least get more frequent support.
Another channel flicked through the "forces of good" army book and based on what he said, it sounds like my main army of Dwarfs are going from 20mm to 25mm square bases. About half of my army started as Skull Pass minis so they should transfer easily enough, but I think the better option overall would be to print base adaptors for everything that need them.
At first, when you started saying "this isn't my thing" I thought you meant the triangular red measuring sticks and my immediate thought was "clearly this man hasn't tried sword-fighting with them".
very nice informative video. that being said, I recently got into 3d printed smallscale warhammer armies project. I get two 2000pts armies for 200€ total. They have surprising detail, require one single, easy to transport box, require halve the usual warhammer battlefield size and I can easily crank out one full regiment in an evening without cutting corners. I will follow the flow of old world information but from a price, space and value point of view, watching with interest is all I personally will do with the old world. In no world I am able to imagine myself starting a brand new warhammer fantasy army. The investment on all fronts is putting me off.
I play Oldhammer.. never stopped. I 3d print most of my miniatures these days and I just upgraded to an Elegoo 12k Saturn 3 ultra printer to go along with my Mono X 6k so my costs are low, my options are plentiful and I can print a whole unit in 90 mins for a couple of dollars (literally) and there are exceptional scrumptious sculpts. I don't need GW if they are not servicing my needs. Be like me, go your own way by rewarding good products and ignoring everything else.
Your costs aint that low. Have you calculated the time investment involved in learning how to set up your printers? It's cool you've got the free time for another not cheap hobby. :)
I'm personally exited because alot of the models I wanted to collect and drew me into the hobby disapeared before I ever had a chance to buy them. I got into the hobby while end times was happening and so things like dwarves, were gutted before my very eyes. So having a chance to get some of these models would be amazing. Also I often read the lore and books of warhammer fantasy so the chance of more stuff being made for this world is pretty hype
Between using 30-year-old sculpts, key Fantasy armies like Dark Elves, Lizardmen, and Skaven not getting support, day 1 DLC books, and more, this seems like a pile of bad decisions all lumped together. Given the smash popularity of Total War Warhammer and Vermintide, this should have been an easy win to sell to new fans of the video games and oldheads alike, and maybe even AoS players if they had let the armies cross-pollinate more. Instead, GW chose the "shooting yourself in the foot" option by being cheap as possible and showing as little confidence in the product as they could, not including armies that could potentially draw sales away from AoS and doing the minimum amount of work. I think that because of the failure of Fantasy, GW (not unreasonably) also expects this game to be DoA. They're only doing this because TWW and Vermintide made an opening for them to sell old world models again. They want to leave themselves that MESBG-like production pipeline open - as you described - if the game randomly proves popular, but by doing as little as possible they're letting themselves fleece the nostalgia crowd and the TWW community for a bit with minimal investment, earn their RoI, and when the property inevitably fails because of this self-fulfilling prophecy they've created, they'll just move on. TLDR in my eyes, the Old World launch is just another crash course in killing your own product line through refusal to take risks and commit, but will still be a successful business venture because hedging your bets and fleecing people's nostalgia is a tried-and-true tactic to make a quick buck off an old property.
GW loathed mixing units from different games together. Plenty of HH Marines would fit fine in 40k, but they refuse to allow them to cross. The same applies here I guess, where plenty of AoS stuff can easily fit in TOW.
TOW players wanted the "classic" models because "we don't want Age of Shigmar models in our beloved Fantasy ! Old World is Old World ! We hate AoS and want none of it in TOW ! ", and GW gave them the classic models. Even if they look like... they were made 20 years ago, which they are. Won't stop converters from using them, but officially, it might be the best move from GW to appease the very anti-AoS Fantasy/Old World community.
@@Basil_Ghothickovitch Honestly Im not sure how big that crowd really is. I wrote of age of sigmar on launch, I hated the end times and the fact that GW had canned my childhood game, but when I saw that the announcment for ToW came out I was excited and started looking at some of the Aos range for inspiration in getting back into a fantasy game. I really love the new models a lot and from there seen that some of the AoS lore is good too. This launch has indirectly made me more intrested in Aos (or at least the models) than I ever was! taking off the rose tinted glasses while still giving me an opertunity to play the classic game if i really want too.
@@Basil_GhothickovitchPeople want to use good looking models in their games. I have heard no complaining about the updated Greenskins, Lizardmen and Vampire Count AOS miniaturs. A lot of the AOS miniatures are too high fantasy for a lot of fantasy players, like the mountain cow elf line or the fish elves.
This channel introduced me to Warhammer and I just got my first kit. Despite this not being a tutorial based channel these videos have really helped with the painting and my first models actually look good! Which was a surprise to be sure but a welcome one. Thanks y’all
I was under the impression they were going to be refreshing the range, but this seems like the most strategic milking of old molds they've ever attempted.
7 factions of the original warhammer battle aren't going to have new figures or have support from GW (lizard men, skaven, dark elves, etc...), I don't think they gave us a new faction for a game they call a "horus heresy like'
@shisakriigel6041 I'm pretty sure they confirmed both kislev and grand cathay as future armies, but its GW so who knows. I'll be waiting to see how things are in a few months to a year.
@@whiteshark0165 Mid 2020 isn't "5 years ago". (Let alone a single article in early 2022 in case people are wondering about Cathay.) Those articles were primarily cross-promotion with Total War: Warhammer III, and Kislev will most certainly arrive not long after the 9 official core factions got their rereleases. It's marked on the map, it gets lore in the core book (Cathay, too), and the TOW narrative is gearing up for the Great War against Chaos, which was fought in Kislev. And unless the game fails spectacularly, we're bound to get proper support for the 7 legacy factions a bit after that, followed by Cathay, and hopefully others (Ind, Khuresh, Nippon, Hobgoblin Khanates, Vampire Coasts, Southlands, Araby, Estalia, Tilea, ...) after that. It's only natural for GW to start this with armies that already have (largely) plastic model ranges, and they never make concrete promises more than a year in advance (and usually much less than that).
I was considering coming back to the hobby (i actually used to play undead as a young lad) but i'm astonished that they are charging the prices they are for models from 1993! I think i might just go for OPR instead with some printed miniatures instead.
My big nostalgic question from the box: Do the whip-it-sticks (as we called them in my high school group, the range-rulers is what we are talking about) still measure about 1/4" short?
Did feel like there is one very obvious attraction to the Old World that Dave didn't hit on? Maybe because it isn't his thing, but big blocks of ranked up infanty just.. don't exist in the rest of GW's ranges. Mobs are a very different thing, both have good points but Hoo Boy have I missed that epic clash
I gotta say something with regard to the sprues. For context, I used to work for a plastic injection moulding company. It's most likely that sprues A and B are from the same tool, but the Pegasus is most likely from a different tool. And with the older models from the Tomb Kings, why go through the process of replacing an expensive tool when you have a load of old tools available for models that historically have done quite well. It makes a tremendous amount of sense to me to reuse the old tools.
I find it sad the the 2 armies they decided to bring to the front of old world were the two that I remember complained about the most for having outdated models even back then. If I remember correctly Brettonia didn't even have an updated book for the last 2 editions. So I think alot of people (such as my Breton brother) were hoping they'd be getting complete new sculpts in the style of the old world but nope. As for mesbg I think it will heavily depend on how the riders of rohirim movie does, if it goes the way of rings of power then I think it will be killed off
New scultps are hugely expensive. This isn't a mainline release. This is more on the level of Bloodbowl. It's a "specalist game". Releasing with the two worst selling armies is a smart idea. It drives sales for them, and helps indicate how well the more popular armies are likely to do later on.
part of the issues with Fantasy Battle at its end was the barrier to entry was how many figures you needed to buy, and assemble, before you could play with your friends. This also kept folks from starting second or third armies for the game for the same reason. The system had also bloated out pretty hard and needed a redo into AoS as a new system. Old world is likely to take over as the 4th major game along side 40k, 30k and AoS. It is also a distinctly different feel in play compared to AoS.
Calvary mounts were packaged in the box just loose with a small spruce to hold the the two halves together. The only thing new was them being held together in a baggy. But horses and pegasus wings really did come like that in 2003.
I have the bretonian men-at-arms, from their first release, and they were great figures that I used in a lot of conversions and rpg character models. The skeletons have always required a suspension of disbelief but they have a lot of character.
Lots of love and luck to Liam! Congrats on the new job! - That said, yeah, I think I'm in the "disappointed" camp for this one. I saw all the new cool models in that Cities of Sigmar box and got my hopes up, and to see their two launch boxes including THIRTY year old models, chock full of mold lines, is just... not at all what I'd want to spend my money on.
For me the reason I'm so excited for the old world is isle of blood was my first ever introduction to table top battle games and I never had a chance to play it because I lived in a rural town at the time i never actually got to play, so now going back adn finaly being able to play the game I always dreamed of is just so exciting.
Love the idea of you guys focusing on game systems for a month. gives you time to really dig in to something, then potentially move on to something else. very excited to see your LI and old world content this month
As an original 2nd Edition player I feel this release is aimed at someone like me to play on nostalgia. Sadly I already own all these Tomb Kings models that I wanted. It's cool to give people the opportunity to buy them off the shelf, but personally I would have much rather have new models for both armies. That would have got me really into it.
why did i get the sudden urge to play vermintide 2 or total war warhammer... I really hope old world survives, this dark fantasy universe has a special place in my heart. RIP warhammer online: age of reckoning you will be forever missed 😢
Vermintide is an End Times adventure, ironic isn't it? And this “new old world” is infinitely far from the concept of Grimdark. Good and Evil sides? Female knights..
What could be done, when standalone releases come around, is to get the skeletons from the vampire counts, and then use the bits (shields, heads, etc) from the khemri skeletons to kitbash some more dynamic and "modern" looking ones
The main problem with the 1999 skeletons is the size of their heads, which the ones on the 2003 TK upgrade sprues were made to match. They'd look even sillier on bodies with more realistic proportions. The shields should work, though.
The Pegasus mount may not have a letter on the sprue if they were made completely separate to the riders. It would allow GW to print mounts on their own for new riders in the future.
I know that it's just because I'm an oldhead grognard but the old "bad looking" skeletons look that way on purpose, they're evoking Ray Harryhausen's old claymation movies, the heads are designed to look almost identical. I know it's not everybody's cup of tea but I'm beyond excited to have the opportunity to purchase these models. Well... purchase more of these models without the Ebay markup.
Jenn stated it perfectly! I was 14 when the switch to AoS was made, so my only interaction with Fantasy was oogling at the minis on GW's website on my family computer. Now I get the chance to experience this game that got me interested in Warhammer in the first place and I am so excited!
The irony for me, is tomb kings and bretonnia were two of my four armies before the old world imploded. The others were vampire counts and skaven. So. You know. 50% aint half bad.
i think the boxes are a gamble on multiple fronts, see if people like the one faction starter boxes and see if there is actually a real hype for old world by using the old sprues and seeing if people will actually buy, i think if they sell well they will probably within the next year release updated kits for the single unit boxes
Plastic molds are hideously expensive to produce. Turn around for sculpts is more than just 1 year. You are half right though. They've picked the two worst selling armies to launch with. TK had ancient models, and Bretts didn't get rules for 2 editions, so no one bought them. Rolling out with them is an interesting indicator for how well the more popular factions (with nicer models!) will do.
@@zlobzor your probably right on the molds, i have heard from different sources it can be quick especially if they already have digital assets to start with like the total war games could potentially be used as baselines for new sculpts (dont know how accurate that is) and i hear from lots of people that they think old world shouldnt happen so i think GW just wants a safe option to start
Technically from a lore perspective, it makes sense to not have any of the legacy factions because they either weren't really around yet (vampire counts) were not really a united force (skaven) or come from a completely different continent (Dark Elves, Lizardmen) but then, Tomb Kings and High Elves also technically could fall under these categories, so it is a little odd.
Vampire counts have come and gone by this point. This is actually less than a century after Mannfred's defeat. This is the 30 year on ramp to the Great Chaos Invasion, elves start working with humans, Settra awakening and trying to expand the empire again, before getting smashed by dwarfs and Bretonni
i started with 40k back in 08 and then when into old world a year later, for me it was old world is back when i was young and had many to play with me. i know it wont be the same but i am excited none the less to paint my derpy undead again and enjoy the feel of a game i sorely miss. i tried KoW and it wasnt the same and i play Conquest but i just miss the old world in general.
So my partner had the Bretonians, and loved the oldworld and has said he might want to come back and play when it comes out as he did not like Age of Sigmar at all, as Dave said they where all so "special" even the peasant ground troops, he also liked having the big army formations (he is a war history nerd.. a lovely one) Now the Bretonians where given to me, and I had the honour to paint them better then they where, (he was what a 15 year old boy with no painting experience when he got them) and they have been great fun although I'm not completely done yet, I could see myself buying the new ones and try my and at them just for the fun of it :) If my partner gets into it again i could se him want me to paint them too, so i do think I personally would be buying the Bretonians when my local hobby store get their hands in them :)
Love the value and for the age of the scalps, perfect for people that collected armies from 20+ years ago. Reminds me of a time where if you didn’t like the scalp you would do some kit bashing and light conversions. I look forward to getting the tomb kings to compliment my old original 5th and 6th ed Bretonnians.
for me TOW's appeal is a rank & file battle game, where you can play armies that reasonably sell the fantasy of an army in battles that feel like battles, but where the game still can be played out in a couple hours. By comparison large model count games of AoS, 40k, or MESBG get bogged down in measuring and moving hundreds of individual models that in TOW would measure & move as a half dozen block units. As for old models, if you're playing at GW stores or events that might be a problem, but if you're playing at home, private clubs, or independent game stores there are tons of alternatives, especially if you have access to a resin 3d printer.
As someone who wasn't around to get into Warhammer Fantasy before it was axed but has gotten really into the setting with its recent resurgence, it's really disappointing to see them repackage and sell 30 year old models without much updates to them at all. And knowing GW, they're gonna be selling them at luxury prices as always. I was honestly really excited to see Bretonians and other old factions come back after being passed up for Age of Sigmar and I figured this would be an amazing opportunity to update the models with some fresh new details (though Dave makes a good point about over detailing basic models). I know there's a classic feel and look to them and that may appeal to many fans of Fantasy, but I feel like there's no real intention to support and update these models much in the future like I thought which is a real let down. Fantasy had some really great lore and story that just didn't carry over at all into Age of Sigmar, taking on a completely different vibe. It would've been cool to have fresh new models that got back to that more classic and grounded aesthetic that the Old World should have.
"Less advanced" as in done by hand. Peeps had to "know" how well the plastic would flow, rather than modern computer simulations. It's why the skellies have a problem with the legs. The plastic cooled a teeny bit too much, leving a weak spot. This reguarly snaps, with an interesting pointy break. Hopefully they've included an extra feed line to stop this... @@matthiuskoenig3378
Nice work team. Its not the model, it's the paint job that makes it. The old stuff was a bit chunky compared to those produced today, but with a good paint job can still look outstanding. I have the original Fellowship of the Ring (including Bill the pony) by Citadel from the same era, purchased in 1991 in London. They are great. Happy Modelling
The metal minis won't be released in plastic. The molds are entirely different, and denerally models are sculpted differently too. We might see plastics to replace those models, if sales are good enough. Don't hold your breath on that one. If it happens, it'll be a good few years off.
What do you do with "Dad's Army" of old? New box, new characters, for new kids, who can also use "Dad's Old Army" too. Bridges the generation gap, so those old painted up armies can be dusted off and played again. Old World was about Big armies. Old ready to go painted armies can join the fresh new stuff, to get Giant armies. Or just speed paint up the new stuff. Bridges the generations, without reinventing the wheel. These don't have to be huge sellers, but its sound they are still given some respect and being played.
There are a few armies that are known to be coming, the really big one is that Kislev is coming back for it. That's one that they released a LOT of concept art for shortly after their initial announcement for Old World. I've got a friend who is also hoping for more Wood Elves...she went all in on a combo Brettonian/Wood Elf army when the End Times was announced and was extremely angry about the end of Warhammer Fantasy. I'm really hoping that their vampire counts rules includes the Vampire Coast sub faction, because my army had a detachment of them to back up the rest of my vamps. Rolling in with gun toting undead with cannons was hilarious to see the WTF look on a lot of people who hear Vampire Counts and then see that particular band of crazies as part of a force.
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I build model tank and aircraft aswell as warhammer and it’s quite common for some of those kits to be 30 years old. For me it’s not a problem if it was a good kits to start with however a lot has changed in the fantasy sculpting world.
One of the things I think will be interesting isFantasy was always big in the U.K. but I couldn’t afford it when I was younger, though I dabbled. The question is if now I have money will I invest.
I already play AoS, Necromunda, and Grim Dark Future. Old world would really have to knock my socks off in order to add it into the suite of games I play and collect. Rank and flank doesn't appeal very much either so not likely that I'll be playing it personally. But I am happy people who want to play it have it and I hope it takes off.
The biggest thing I see is, is gw has realised what killed fantasy it was you were forced to have a ridiculous amount of models due to 8th being hordes of models. So they release a game which you can play at small points if you don't want to have a heap of models and if your a fantasy player that loves hordes etc go ahead. It addresses fantasy issues that people have it adjusts some of the bad rules and makes them streamlined for better fun games
The thing with the boxes is most of the models are old, so if you still have your old Brets or Skellies it is only the rule book amd hero units that are new additions to the collection. I have mixed feelings about some old kits being re-released instead of updated. On 1 hand, I think it is good because it doesn't leave Oldhammer collections on the shelf. On the other hand, why go through all this for just a few sculpts (and not even supporting every faction).
Producing new models is *expensive*, and they've not even finished range refreshes for AoS yet. Skaven & Beasties are full of 5-7th edition models. This is a specalist games release. It was never going to get that sort of investment. If it sells really well, there's a chance, but I doubt that.
What happened to Kislev? Didn't they preview some art and 3d renders afew years ago? I feel like they might be a faction they release once they've gone through the legacy factions they've already announced
