Warriors of Chaos Vs Empire of Man | Warhammer: The Old World Battle Report! 

Great to see the 5-man skirmishing tactic in action, *vicarious learning intesifies* Elementalism FTW!

I think one of the reasons your army feels like it's always fighting uphill is the lack of anything elite in the army. No Knights, Greatswords, Flagelants, etc. You also need Crossbowmen or Handgunners... those S4 shots can mean all the difference in actually DOING damage in the shooting phase.

Good point on chaff - the thing to consider is you really need to be chaffing in close order not skirmish. That way when they charge you, they are forced to align to your angle. You can then redirect them

Mordian you really need to set up your cannons anchoring the corners of your army! You basically wasted almost all your shooting from one cannon for the entire game which should have been blasting the Knights and the Chosen! Consider yourself lambasted!

The ideal placement for cannon shot is 8 inches ahead of the target. That way your odds of overshooting are lower. It's also best to anchor your lines with your cannon, one on each flank, so you can get a bit of crossfire going. Remember the poem: "Cannon to the right of them, cannon to the left of them, cannon in front of them." I also recommend using Halberds and Handguns/Crossbows as your infantry detachments to support your spears.

Your battle reports are so freaking good. explaining the game rather than a whole bunch of rolling and shallow description. Also a lot of fun to watch

Good show sirs, cannons have skirmishers rule and therefore can see and turn to face 360

Marauders would have made it in with the 9 around 1.45 mark needing a 5 not a 6. They don’t need to wheel if the wheel would make them fail the charge. They will get the free wheel to align as it is. Same goes for maximising throughout the batrep, you maximise for both sides in a combat as movement allows.

I just wanted to see those chosen fight, and now I'm blue balled beyond comprehension. Damn you sir!

Alex matches your energy really well great bat rep

I'm gonna say. Every battle report I see you do with spears convinces me more and more on halbirds.

Mordian, with cannons it is most of the time best to always put the point 10" in front of the enemies rear base edge. so even with a 10 you hit the first dude + bounce, or at least and with the highest probability you fly towards the unit and still bounce through.

Still want to see some Warrior Priests in Mordians lists - purge them with Faith and Steel!!

For the EMPIRE!!! Great batrep, keep it going!

Really nice batrep format! Didn't know the thing about charging a fleeing enemy, that is a big deal. One correction: storm caller can't be cast in combat. Unless it's a range self or assailment it has to specifically say on the card if it can be cast into combat

Good Battle. Only one point, If you have frenzy you cant choose.. you follow after the charge. The chaos knights destroy archers and follow

Seeing old world content makes me so happy. Good job

Greatswords or knights with some small accebts of a blue-violet would look lovely with the orangey-yellow main color scheme. They'd be center piece models in you're army and deserve a little extra attention.

Loveyour old world battle reports, so much fun.

well played, gentlemen! that was quite a match

MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES! BLOOOOOOOD! Donate today, it's in you to give! I literally JUST searched for "Warriors Chaos Old World" 40 minutes ago! The Dark Gods abide!

Cannons can pivot without penalty, war machines can’t march and the cannon uses the artillery dice for grape shot. Troops in detail page 197, and need more nails special rule page 227.

Remember that in the Chaos horsemen fight, before they failed their armour, the spearmen failed 90% 4+ dice in a previous roll. That could of impacted seriously.

Awesome bat rep man. Really loved seeing the tricky chaff play. I'll definitely try out that brace of pistols play on my dark elf corsairs

A unit that passes a Rally test regains its composure and returns to the fight. Upon rallying, a unit may immediately perform a free reform (see page 125). The unit cannot charge during this turn and counts as having moved for the purposes of shooting, but can otherwise act as normal. So rally and regular move wouldve been fine.

I don't think windblasting off the board is possible. Windblast causes the unit to "Give Ground". On page 134 the Moving off the Battlefield subsection says that only Fleeing units can move off the table. Give Ground is not Fleeing.

In the 1:16:00 mark, there is a mistake with the fighting rank and supporting attack rule. ALL models in the front rank are in the fighting rank and may attack. Even when not in base contact. But then they may only make one attack, in the case they have normally more. Supporting attacks may be made for EVERY model behind a model in the fighting rank.

The end was so epic!

Fun report, slight rules note, grapeshot is not 2d6, it's the number rolled on the artillery dice in auto hits. Still good but not as potentially strong as 2d6.

You can pivot through models in this edition as long as you finish clear.

I was eager to see how the Marauders performed w/o a standard. I've been plotting how to make a Warriors army out of my Blades of Khorne and this was some interesting data to think about

Just a super awesome batrep. Ive been a huge Mordian Glory fan, being an infantry hoard guard player and as a empire player myself. In saying all that. YOU DISGRACED YOURSELF SIR! YOU DISHONOURED THE ARTILLERY CORPS SIR! Did you just place a cannon besided a hill! Not on a hill, but beside its! You are correct, that empire are bang average in combat. And against an elite fighty army, staying outside of his combat phase is all important. Making your Chaff and Cannons all the more important. Imho, you got tunnel vision on that chariot and deployed your cannons badly against the cannons true targets, his cavalry and warriors. Again imho, your cannons should have been on the hill with an/two engineers having at least 3 to 4 rounds of consistant shooting(, because of the engineers)on one or both of those target units. The amount of rounds of shooting in general, will come down to how well you play the mid field 'chaff war'. Its turned very complex in the old world to use chaff, much more than 8th edition. Its also the most fun part of the game the me, countering opponents movement phase and controlling board space in that 'chaff war' game makes warhammer so much fun to play, so welcome to chaff wars Mordian. :) I would say to work on the angle of your ranked chaff units place opposing enemy units. The mojst important thing to remember is which way your units will flee as a charge reaction and what angle the opponents unit is left in, again its the most important thing. Because then youll know where to put your other chaff unit, in your same movment. basically you want your chaff units to work together to pull your opponents units out of good charge arcs more anything else. The more enemy fighty units are out of combat and have bad charge arcs, the safer your army is.

These just make me want to play more and more

Classic. Love the game to death and glad to see it.

This chariot... you cannot leave table while Giving Ground.... Only pursuing or fleeing units

Love your work

New video! Time to paint some empire troops! Let’s gooo!

I sirhv watched more than half of this bat rep and all i have seen is mordians cowardice sir more old world bat reps morrrrree!

Hey guys great bat rep, just note that great weapons strike last, unless i missed something with the marauding unit? I liked and subbed too, thanks for the entertainment.👍👍 Never mind, i was looking at a different unit! LOL

The end Chaos knight in the first combat would have only got 1 attack as its not I'm base contact. Great stuff though, enjoying so far dude.

It's fun to see just how many rules you got wrong. Spells in the wrong phases Charge rolls Skirmishers Must maximize contact on the charge But fun to watch as I play both of these armies

while I did enjoy the cheeky windblast, your opponent obviously (at least following the tone of the video) wasnt aware of how this works. So in case of your absolutely wasted archer move turn 1, you reread the rules, reversed the clock and put your archers somewhere else. Same with the archers on the other flank. The chariot however simply gets removed. Good game between good friends, just a slight deviation from what wouldve been fair in my personal opinion. The gentlemans agreement not to run immortal single lords is also very nice. I also prefer old world this way. Empire has a very skewed army list with big highs and big lows in the usefulness/powerlevel of units. Units like Demigryph knights, big wizards (especially one with helsturms mace on gryphon with doppelganger), Inner circle knights, cannons, volleyguns with engineers, steamtank are the clear winner by a huge margin. Most of the rest is kind of sheit, sadly. If you want to win against strong lists like chaos, you need at least some of those strong choices.

probably a good example of where the march order/column could have been useful since the marauders already gave up rank bonusess so it'd be triple movement with no downsides

What do imperial troops in 40k and fantasy have in common? Balls of mithril!!

Quick question Glory because I currently don't have access to the forces of fantasy rule book, How many men do i need to run an great cannon?

Wait, what is my cat doing in England?

doesn't fall back in good order become break if you outnumber him over 2 to 1? so knights would flee?

I think the manevour from 1:05:40 was done a little bit wrong - but still golden rule applies here so still good, because you could at least from the movie(i checked the straight line from the footage) to charge the most left skirmisher model to direct contact with archers without touching the spearman block, and then this guy on the right, can align corner to corner to your most right archer. In general, i think such small things matter, but great content anyways, loved the trick with windblast

A unit can only have one detachment now. You are still remembering how Empire used to have two.

I think you played chaos knight charging skirmishers wrong. You just need to contact with the knights and the skirmishers form on the knights. Effectively you can't redirect with skirmishers anymore. (There's little redirect as charging unit might need to wheel to make contact)

I am halfway of the video. Just paused to say thanks and please, bring more of this!! Just comment that it was a shame the cannons where not over the hill. They could of blasted that horses. Very good fun! Bring more! Wanna see those empire troops holding the line

why did the great weapon marauders hit in melee before the empire detachment?

other armies i wanna see? how about empire with greatswords ;D

Btw are they planning to re-release any 6th Ed ish minis on square bases n that?

Question for Mordian: I run a pure 240 infantry build for 2000pt games. Can Vox-casters be used to gain 1 CP back from the reinforcements strategum? Most people argue no. I’m curious if I can do this at tournaments.

Wheeling distance counts towards the charge I bonus as well. Wouldn’t have made a difference to the Chosen versus Spears combat this time at least

empire inner circle knights are a great and independently strong unit with amazing special rules. Not glocking up your rare slots either. You could mess with a priest of ulric, I prefer just more knights instead.

I think you got the spear rule wrong. The rulebook says every model behind a model in the 'fighting rank' can attack, all models in the front rank are in the fighting rank

Cool because we learned never to place a model near the edge when there is a possible windblast.

on the topic of a chaos warband at 14:10 when playing tw warhammer i like to take a bunch of marauders because an army of chaos warriors doesnt feel quite right i imagine the vast majority of their armies WOULD be marauders and god knows what else with the chaos warriors being a mighty minority

Guys at 1:33:44 why charge roll for the flanking unit is 7? Thx a lot:)

Thank you for another great old world batrep, this time with a spicy 'new' opponet. Love to see you getting back into fantasy battle! Now that you've done a few more games, what do you think is a good amount of points for games? It seems like about 1000 pts is plenty for practise. How long do your 1250pts games go usually (unedited) ? Do you think that 2000pts might be a bit bloated for casual, or at least tournament games? Or is something like 1500pts a sweet spot? Cheers!

Yes Mordian he hits the archers and spearmen

So when you talk about "not easy to redirect charges with chaff-units because he can test to restraint"...I think because of frenzy he actually cannot! His example with dire wolves is correct: You can redirect them to funny angles IF they are frenzied... ;-)

"2 inches is all you need" ~ Mordian Glory 😊

The chariot got blasted into some ditch off road. Car crash with no survivors)

*FOR HELDENHAMMEEEER*

That's some pretty questionable deployment by the Empire. Fun batrep though.

Hello!

No handgun is hard to see in an empire army 😅

you cant scout and vanguard

Things like wind blasting a chariot such that it slightly overlap the edge of the board killing it outright is very gamey. I wouldn't encourage people to use such tactics in a friendly game. But I suppose if you're really stinging from back to back losses an exception could be made ;)

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1st Yeww! o7

Ah warriors of chaos. Aka GROUND MARINES.

For my (purely paper) chaos list at the moment I have a 9 unit of chaos elite knights of khorne + lord, with 10 models on charge making 33 attacks on charge at str 6+

1:15:12 you did this wrong I think. Who can fight: "When two opposing units are engaged in combat, any row of models (be it a rank or file) that has one or more models in base contact with the enemy is called the ‘fighting rank’. Every model within the fighting rank canfight. This represents models in that row but not in base contact with the enemy encircling the foe." (this means the leader can fight as he's joined with the unit) "Some models are equipped with weapons that allow them to make a ‘supporting attack’. To make a supporting attack, a model must be directly behind a friendly model that is itself in a fighting rank. However, supporting attacks cannot be made to a unit’s flank or rear, nor can they be made by a model that is itself in a fighting rank." As the first rule states the fighting rank is all models in the first rank, NOT just models in base to base. Therefore they should have also all attacked. So all but the ones who died in the first two ranks should have fought.