Was Brandon Miller Over Scoot the Right Pick? | The Bill Simmons Podcast 

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Damn bro you are a serious shot 😂😂😂😂😂

As if you've never given the wrong person a ride. He made a mistake, get over it. He didn't kill anyone.

@@MakingMovesMajordoesn’t change the fact that he’s elite at creating shots for others

Should be an official NBA stat

Sad but true

Lmao😂

Is Bridges no longer suspended?

@@MacNifshould be back this season

Bill is like MJ, he pocketed the Spotify money. Why spend it on his organisation

Suns wanted Ayton because they literally didn't have a scouting department and Ayton played at Arizona. Bad ownership is why the Suns took Ayton, not worrying about Booker, who remember hadn't won anything or even been an all-star at that point.

@@andrewshandleexactly !!! Ayton went to High school in Arizona and played at Arizona. They were taking Ayton regardless

exactly !!! Ayton went to High school in Arizona and played at Arizona. They were taking Ayton regardless

Meanwhile Booker has a new teammate extremely similar in the shape of Bradley Beal. Frightening.

Really, Sun's went to a championship. Where did Dallas or Atlanta go with there teams. Lol, come on what are we talking about. The Sun's still a better team.

Listen to the pod

@@israelbarnes4704 - I don’t see it discussed on his podcast anywhere. 🤷🏻‍♂️

There's an almost hour long video with Bill and his dad discussing it

@@chrischancellor7372 - Yeah, I watched it. I posted this before Bill posted the video. Thanks. 👍🏻

@@johnbrowntheprophet figured that might have been the case. Just wanted to give a heads up.

Well u better buy into it cuz it’s the truth

@@GandalfTheStraightlmao

@@GandalfTheStraight lmao

@@GandalfTheStraight Lmao I hope you didn't place any bets in favor of Scoot....you loss this debate clearly!!!

lmao, you've got zero clue here buddy. Scoot will be the better player.

​@@genesmith3582correct, scoot so far is very similar to Dennis Smith Jr. Hard for stans to understand. We've seen this story over and over in the past

​@@user-dr5eh6xz2dhe is nothing like Dennis Smith Jr. Outside of athletics they don't have the same game

@@user-dr5eh6xz2d stick to Candyland buddy because you know 2 shits about basketball.

​@@genesmith3582salty much

Amari Bailey too

It's because he stepped down not being majority owner. Maybe they can have some success now.

Yup. People don't show up with the receipts. These guys talk like they're knowledgeable but they're just making up stuff.

Needs to work on his delivery though. Often setting up his teammates to shoot in undesirable or dangerous situations

You could almost say, deadly situations...

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@awenner still feel the same way??? Or has that assessment reversed??? Lmao Miller looks pretty strong now....hehehe

@@albase9285 nope nothing has changed thanks for checking in though

Melo has to play off ball? Did you not watch any hornets game last year? He’s an amazing passer and averaged 8.5 assists. I think he’s proved all he needs to to show he’s a lead point guard.

​@@latenotice7254you just described the pistons and rockets. Glad you like losing

@@latenotice7254 it's this idea of being athletic wins games similar to rockets and pistons. Yes, if you actually watched the hornets, you would realize that Miles is overrated and so is scoot so I think it's a bad idea. Miles can't play d and not reliable in shooting three. Scoot only played in 20 games last year

Miles might be overrated but he definitely played better when Melo got to Charlotte

@@latenotice7254 scoot was primarily guarded by someone about 6 feet or smaller 50 percent of the time, also had his stuff blocked pretty good a few times. Mostly got down hill because his primary defender was not close to NBA draft material. Only played 20 games. If you have that it factor it would show in overall stats. It doesn't just show in 1 game. Being about to do it over more games is more valuable. Miller played in almost 40 games, more than double, meanwhile Scoot couldn't play once he had an injury, but Miller played with an injury. That's proof of who's weak

6'2 guy will never be a GOAT

​@@GiorginhoFR especially if he can't shoot a lick

@@GiorginhoPretty sure Hornets & Blazers work out measurements had him at just under 6’4 with a massive wingspan. Not saying Scoot will be the GOAT, but imo much better prospect than Miller

@@lostylyBro his shooting %s were better than LaMelo in Australia.

Diff is we’ve seen Scoot’s prototype atleast 15 times , Baron Davis , Rose , Russ, Wall, Fox , Ja , Jaden Ivey …… no chance any of them are the GOAT

yup, KOC's thing is he's consistently way off.

Let's not forget that KOC said that Killian Hayes had the potential to be the best player in his draft class. That draft had Anthony Edwards. Let's also not forget his obsession with Mo Bamba.

How is he a three level scorer when he shots 27.5% from 3?

Nope , he’s better the him right now

@@shadshad2972 nah

Welp😭😭😭

And Scoot will be a multiple time All-NBA! 💯💯💯

@@benpaschke9193 in the g league 💯💯

Could be but think about this, Donovan Mitchell is basically a star yet the Utah Jazz got rid of him, why?. The only successful little guy that leads a team is Stephen Curry and he is a great shooter, scoot is not. Little guys can’t be the main guys on a team and Scoot seems the type of player who wants to be the main guy.

I’m imagining it and it sounds like a sweet payday. I’d be pretty happy.

@@thesnorman5666 I have lots of money so I would be sad :(

@@RKWDBMX 👀 you have NBA max money bruh? Fr dog?

@@shadow_realm47 I shit diamonds

Being drafted by an nba team with a paycheck like that? How is that not a win?

Damn this is stupid...lmao!!!!

You sound dumb lmao

You don't watch basketball, Murray different player in college, Morant proven scorer on college, Scoot hasn't proven anything like it. Just choosing random players to fit narrative. Should just say I like scoot but I have no good reason other than what my gut says

you don’t watch film these bots going crazy

Ja was a way better player than Scoot coming into the league. No shots at Scoot

Lmao you still feel that way???!!!

Charlotte fans are literally Garbage so yo opinion doesn’t matter my boii! I watched multiple games of both an Miller is a better passer, shooter and defender. Scoot averaged 5 assist an 4 TO’s because his dribble is suspect for a franchise PG an he is too small to see over the D. He drives into the defense a lot an that’s in the G league where they not even tryna play D. Bouk goes to the G league an Drops 40 wit ease an can’t earn a rotation spot. Scoot averaged 16 while making all the decisions 😭😭 scoot will be a 6th man he not better the DSJ, Collin sexton , Jordan Clarkson nor RJ Barrett an these are regular NBA guys yet y’all want to draft him over the 6’9” shooter who takes pride in the actual game of basketball. He dropped 40 the day after all that happened with the death so that shows where his head is he also has hit college buzzer beaters but u dumb mfs wanna choose scoot because the media said it to promote the G league. Y’all are clowns an I’m glad y’all bood that man because when he becomes the better player y’all can remember wat the hornets fans does to their players. I watched it with Melo, Miles, Malik Monk an many more. Y’all don’t kno how to appreciate what u have Stfu an watch the games

You have a point on the injury history of the Hornets but you damn sure owe Brandon an apology along with all my other Charlotte Fan comtemporaries. smh Brandon ha s been ballin'!!!

@@albase9285 sure. He’s been balling. But I was right as well. Melos been injured and we have no depth at point guard.

Man as long as they have nurkic they not doing shit, they really dont have enough size to compete love their guards but gotta trade one for a siakam or jarret allen

who is the 4th guard?

@@LukaLegend77Lillard, Simons, Sharpe, Henderson

@@emperorburton i see sharpe more of a SF especially with another guard added

Good undersized guards that don't play a lick of D.

he plays bigger with the long arms and huge hands.

Why he doesn’t even fit wit lamelo their games don’t benefit each other at all both need ball in their hands

Doesn't look like the tourney made a difference in Miller's ability to acclaimate to the NBA. He has taken to the league like fish to water. Scoot, not so much...

Character concerns such as?! Lol. What are these concerns you think he has?!

@@j-us-t_be-in-g nothing major just a small case of (allegedly) providing an unregistered illegal weapon to a teammate to shoot someone with (at the very least providing the transportation to do it) I'm sure it's the white man/medias fault though. Lmao.

​@@j-us-t_be-in-ghe is a fuckin ninja...

@@j-us-t_be-in-g one of his friends murder someone and etc. you should read about it, it’s mess up.

@@smokealltheteklesandthechi1906 Feel better?

He must’ve been watching PG during the Indiana vs Miami, one sided rivalry

I don’t see a way how a 6’2 point guard who can’t shoot can be any better than a 6’8 pg who can shoot, and playmake ten times better

@@prestonkelly4825 I don’t understand the 6’2 thing 😂 he’s not Curry. Dude is built like a tank, is hyper athletic and has a 6’9 wingspan. He’s got a great frame for a modern PG. He’s going to be too athletic and strong to be bullied by other guards three or four inches taller than him and his long arms firstly will make it tough for other guards take advantage of his height and shoot over him and they’ll also give him a very low center of gravity so dribbling past him will be very difficult. Also I have more faith in Scoot improving his shot than I do Melo learning how to play defence 👌

@@SonnyK248 bc no matter how u put it, he’s 6’2. That’s gonna matter when dudes that r just as athletic as him guards him up. Now he is very quick and explosive and has an incredibly fast first step, but he didn’t finish as well in the g-league as I expected him to, I think he’ll improve on that but how much I don’t know. And the reason y that height matters is exactly bc defense. Now I’m not someone who’s gonna say Melo can b a good on ball defender hell no and Scoot has the tools too, but if the person is even 3-4 inches taller (like half the league) and marginally athletic, Scoot gonna be cooked, bc ur either just shooting up over him or taking his ass down to the post and feasting. Now Melo can be a great team defender (already think he’s p good rn as is, decent help guy and clogs up passing lanes well) and I feel like his iq’s higher than Scoots which helps, and even though I do see Scoot improving his shot, I’m just as confident as Melo staying far ahead of him as a playmaker and decision maker, while still being a better shooter and overall scorer, I’m also confident that B Miller will also blossom his creation ability to be a great 2nd option and ball handler alongside Melo bc there’s been heavy flashes and vast improvement throughout his rookie season alone in that department. I think Melo will stay comfortably ahead of Scoot as a better player, but even though I do see him and Miller’s ceiling being very similar (I don’t think either r 1st options on a chip team), I do think Scoot will be more “high regarded”. Like PG and Westbrook

@@prestonkelly4825 a young Westbrook is a really good comp for Scoot. They are about the same size and are both explosive athletes. But every time someone is compared to Westbrook everyone just assumes that they wont be able to shoot and they wont become a good defender because Westbrook didn't. But Westbrook wasn't incapable of improving these things he just didn't want to. He actually played some really good defense last season as an old man. Also Westbook is one of the greats. I highly doubt Melo will reach the close to the heights that Russ did even though like you said with Scoot, Melo is a better passer and shooter than Russ probably ever was. Melo would literally have to become one of the best players in the league to be on prime Russ' level. Honestly though, when you're the franchise guy on a team, shooting isn't paramount. You can get others to stretch the floor for you. Lebron wasn't the greatest shooter, Luca isn't the greatest shooter. Giannis is a bad shooter. When you're an extremely skilled hyper athletic player like Scoot, that can carry you to stardom. Derrick Rose was another 6'3 guy who dominated the league before he got injured and he didn't have a great shot. He didn't need one.

@@SonnyK248 Westbrook is a better comp, but IMO every time I see him play I just see Steve Francis w a better jumper. I think his Jumper will improve over time, but he’s definitely no D Rose. D Rose had a certain level of finesse and was seemingly able to float like MJ, Scoot doesn’t have that level of athletic ability when it comes to verticality, maybe im biased bc D rose is my fav player ever, but I just don’t see that in him, I see much more of an aggressive Westbrook like athleticism in him. That being said, who said Melo can’t be a top 5 player in this league? You just agreed w me that he has abilities neither Westbrook or Scoot has, granted they’re obviously better defensively but at least Melo has the tools to be a decent defender. Melo is one of the best passer playmakers in the league and he has the talent to be one of the best we’ve ever seen all in a 6’8 frame that isn’t finished growing yet with better shooting touch than both Scoot and Westbrook. Not saying he will be better than Westbrook (even though he’s having better seasons than Westbrook @ his age), but he fs has the talent to be better than him.

Screams solid role player. Scoot screams future HoFer

@@mathewdavis2427 what about him screams role player?

​@@mathewdavis2427a 6'9 player with a jumpshot in todays NBA is more valuable than a 6'2 player with athleticism.

Wow Brandon is proving a lot of you all wrong...but we'll see in a couple more years. I hope Scoot doesn't keep having to go to the G-League though. hehehehe

@@albase9285 This is beginning of the season. Brandon Miller scoring 15 points in eastern conference dude that's khris middleton numbers I didn't say he was a bust, he's khris middleton. Watch Scoot as he develops.

@@WarrantChenbro you know it’s the same for miller he has a ceiling too wtf how about you watch miller as he goes do you understand the minute miller develops his handles he will be the reincarnation of Paul George

ant edwards 😂😂

Fox with Westbrook vibes. Feel like he's gonna take this personal.

@@shadow_realm47 it took Fox _six_ years to be good. It was only a year ago when Kings fans were pissed they traded Halliburton and kept Fox, so not sure that's a positive comparison. If it's 2028 and Portland fans are wonder if Scoot can finally put together a good season, then it's a bad pick.

​@@andrewshandleFox has always been this good. Casuals like you wouldn't know that because his team was lacking. He has been a dog since he had the fro in 2018.

@@nicyee3701 lol, sure chief. It took him six years to become a league average shooter, and until this season where he was excellent in the 4th Quarter and clutch him, he was one of the worst players in all of basketball during the 4th and clutch. Until this season Fox was a disappointment, arguing otherwise is revisionist history. Any non-casual should know that. Listen, it happens sometimes, most notably Kyle Lowry, but nobody's out here defending the start of Lowry's career saying he was good his first 5 years. If they did, they'd be a clown just like you defending Fox makes you look like a clown.

@@andrewshandle That doesn't matter though Fox was never bad at shooting compared to Scoot. He was also a great facilitator and had this motor when he was a rookie. Fox was also a dog on defense people he has always been a top 3 player from his draft since he stepped in the league.

Right!!!! smh

“Scoot doesn’t defend” you’re ignorant

lol, you're comparing Scoot to MJ? JFC, he isn't _close_ to what Jordan was when drafted.

I feel Scoot is one ACL tear from being a bust, just by the way he plays. Bad 3 point shooter. Nowadays, you need a point guard that shoots the 3 pointer well. Edit: Drafting a 6'2" guard when the last 5 NBA champions have tall lineups baffles me.

@@anthonyrivera2306 I understand it's not the same situation because Scoot can't shoot, but last year's Finals MVP, who was the best player on four of the last ten title teams, was literally 6' 2".

@@jacobwilkins8761 If he gets better at shooting from 3, get some towers in the paint.

​@@jacobwilkins8761literally elite shooters in college, if you tell me scoot is an elite shooting prospect I can get on board, but you can't. It's basketball, ultimately no such thing as too little shooting. Curry proved a lot more before getting drafted

​@@user-dr5eh6xz2d I'm not saying Scoot will be as good as Curry, but I was saying that it is factually wrong that you need a guard taller than 6' 2" (or even a tall lineup? Hello, the Warriors?) to win in this league. Curry was also injury-prone and didn't amount to much until his fifth year in the league. Let Scoot be Scoot and find his way. I'm encouraged by his motor. Maybe he's not a winner, but I don't see how Russell Westbrook's career isn't within his grasp assuming his shooting never improves.

This is the nba man what are you watching.

Jabari Smith was a better shooter than Paolo Banchero. Media projected him to go #1 last year because of shooting. Paolo went number 1 instead and is a way better player regardless of shooting. Like I said people put too much stock in shooting. That’s not the only valuable skill.

@@nicholasadams5023 banchero is 6’10 with handles , mid range , post game. Don’t compare that to a guy who is 6’2 who’s whole game is getting to the rim. This isn’t the G league anymore

It's called black privilege.

Hey man. He can score too.

he didnt kill anyone tho

But Lamelo is 6'7

@@prestonjones1415 but he plays on the perimeter and isn't physical (shoots way too many ill advised 3's). Maybe if he changes his approach he can use his height to his advantage but he wastes tons of possessions each game trying to be Steph Curry.

@@n00utz81 he definitely has flaws. I'm just saying LaMelo isn't a small guard. He could easily slide over to the 2 and it could work if Scoot is that guy. I also have no problem with the miller pick

that's why you trade LaMelo, who has injury prone written all over him.

@@genesmith3582mf scoot shut his season short cause of injuries plus he doesn’t do nun but dunk so that’s more of an injury risk. All rookies struggle wit injuries those 1st 3 years because their body isn’t adjusted. An u don’t trade melo cause u want scoot 😭😭 that’s how u make the worst decision next to trading Kobe the the lakers because Scoot can’t fw a picture of Melo injured or not I’ll rather have the 1 with the #11 selling nba jersey an #1 shoe sell amongst the rising stars, that’s including Luka and zion both Jordan brand. He is the solo reason why Jordan bought the team for 250,000 an sold it for 3 billion. Melo is the money he has proven his games translates an he’s honestly a top 5 pg in the NBA in jus his 3rd year. How u gone trade him when that’s the whole reason they bought the shares lmao mf Goofy y’all be eating scoot an ain’t even watched him play. Brandon was the better Player, fit, has the higher ceiling an floor. Even if scoot is everything y’all think he is all Brandon has to be is a catch an shoot ball mover who can guard an bow still the right pick, rather have that than a Westbrook which is a horrible comparison because he can’t pass nor rebound as well. He gone average Westbrook TOs tho

@@nook5907 uh, if we need anyone to write an incoherent book about basketball, we know where to find you. But leave the real basketball analysis to somebody else. Lamelo is a nice offensive player, he's got some large defensive issues and he's not a work ethic, nor weight room guy. He's got questionable ankles and a slim build. It's not that he isn't a stud, it's that Scoot will be better and more durable..... and you can book that.

Looks like Miller is currently doing that!!!

@@genesmith3582this did not age well lmao

Thompson twins are gonna be better than Miller not Scoot though

facts

do you actually watch basketball ?

He can shoot

cry to your momma . No charges

@@Lwy6060 doesnt mean he isnt a piece of shit

The Nuggets just bullied the Heat in the Finals. The Lakers beat the Warriors. And the Warriors having KD on their team isn't a blueprint to follow.

Warriors are an OUTLIER they also are bullring around STEPHEN CURRY

@@shorewall We won before and after KD, you know. Granted, we had Bogut the first time, but who was our center for ring #4? Looney? Hah.

@@IndieGamerChick both before and after KD the warriors had above average centers, put some respect on Looney's name he had a once in a life time finals run.

vinny microwave johnson baron davis

Derrick rose, Marbury, Westbrook...

To be fair, it depends on what you mean by muscular, and what you mean by PG: First of all, no guards come into the league built like Karl Malone. Even Karl Malone didnt come into the league built like that. Second, why would you add a ton of muscle and weight when that slows you down? As a young guard, your primary advantage is quickness and speed. You dont want to be frail, but you dont want to be 6'0" 235lbs and can lift a Volkswagon. Third, "point guard" is subjective. Who is the John Stockton of today's NBA? The NBA has been a combo guard league for quite a while now and a lot of shooting guards and point forwards have played the point guard position. Michael Jordan played the point in Chicago, he has muscles, and he's about as elite as your gonna get, right? Deron William's wasn't a lightweight. Baron Davis was beefy as hell and 6'5". Someone mentioned Vinny Johnson, a combo guard, which means you can definitely include Joe Dumars in there. Kidd wasn't weak and was 6'4". Gary Payton was strong. Allen Iverson was 5'10" but strong as hell. And hey, Magic Johnson was 6'9" and wasnt skinny as a rail, and even though he could play any position on the floor, he primarily played at point guard. And what about Lebron? He certainly played some PG over the years. So it's really easy to name a ton of elite players who played the point guard position that weren't tiny, skinny dudes. Your question is just far too broad and vague. You would need to specifically define "muscular" and "point guard", and even then you're just creating arbitrary subjective distinctions that can easily be countered. So what do you really mean? What's the real discussion here?

Lebron James

Wade was a SG but could play the point and he was jacked

this didn’t age well at all

Franchise

Scoot shot 27.5% from 3, not 32%. He has an eFG of 45.5% which would have been 2nd last in the NBA last season, the dude flat out cannot shot. You watch a few video clips of him hitting a pull up shot or two and just assume that happens all the time, but in reality he is 6 for 14 a game for his career with -2.5 Net Rating when he's on the court. And you say he's "at worse, Steve Francis", Francis at the same age had a eFG of 58% in college in twice as many games! Year 19 Francis destroys year 19 Scoot. Whatever you think of Miller, he can shoot and defend, so his floor is much higher than Scoot's who might be a total bust if he can't figure out how to shoot even a tiny bit.

@@andrewshandle you logic is a bit flawed. Scoot's sample size is hard to determine if he is a bad shooter or not... WE knew Steve Francis was streaky at best.

@@williambrabston3045 So rather than taking into account the 268 shots he took in 2022/23 we should just assume he'll be better? That doesn't make much sense. Doing some checking today, I literally cannot find a single guard drafted in the last decade who shot as poorly as Scoot did this year. Not one. That should at least be a concern. As for Francis, streaky or not, he was a _much_ better shooter than Scoot his one year in college and only took 392 shots, so Scoot took about 70% of the amount of shots. Francis was also above league average year 1 and 2 in the league! Other than both playing guard, they have nothing in common unless Scoot secretly hates Vancouver or something. ;)

@@andrewshandle you literally brought up francis... go find stats for him at 17 and 18... go ahead ill wait.