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Today we look at one of the Peter Jackson additions to The Lord of the Rings Movie Trilogy in the addition of the fighting Uruk-hai leader Lurtz, and we discuss the positives and negatives to this addition! We hope you enjoy! :D
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@TheBrokenSword 2 года назад

Are you #TeamLurtz or #TeamUgluk??

@toddfeather5760 2 года назад

#TeamLurtz and he was a great addition to the film and at least we get to see boromir’s death

@romulus1064 2 года назад

#TeamLurtz all the way. In the fellowship of the ring the actor of lurtz is a new zealand maori actor called Lawrence Makoare and i am also from new zealand.. so gotta go with lurtz in support of our local actors haha he does a fantastic job of being scary asf, i believe he may have also been the actor for gothmog the in return of the king but not 100% sure about that though 😂

@lemonscourge27 2 года назад

#TeamLurtz i watched and owned only the first movie as a kid and had no other reference of lotr and Lurtz helped to finalize that film at least

@Keijspermeister 2 года назад

I'm team #dontreallycareaboutorcs

@pelopidasalexis6943 2 года назад

#TeamLurtz For sure, he was Badass and my favourite character! I would watch a whole movie or tv series only with him!

@izzi7438 2 года назад

I feel his character helped defined the difference between orks and Uruk Hai for those that haven't read the books

@corruptangel6793 2 года назад

As a kid watching the movies, that was my exact reaction. I didn't know he had a name or was in anyway special, I just thought he was an Uruk-hai and it really helped me understand the difference between Uruk-hai and Orcs. He set the standard. Uruk-hai are tall, beefy, fearless and badass, they feel like they're a race bred specifically for war. Orcs however feel like a normal albiet evil race, as natural to middle-earth as humans, elves and the like.

@mufflerdad5048 2 года назад

Definitely! Clicked this video just to comment what you already did.

@xHeadxShotxx 2 года назад

@@corruptangel6793 I like the way your sentence structure flows.

@hiddendesire3076 2 года назад

Despite what most might say about Uruk Hai, Orcs, and Goblins (by claiming that they are all alike), I do see differences. Goblins as we’ve seen time and time again have more cat like eyes in terms of their pupils while also being weak to the sunlights. Orcs are larger in size, albeit stocky, and look more like a twisted/corrupted elf. Uruk Hai are Orcs crossed with men and are of larger more athletic builds, often having less pointed ears and sporting darker skin. Then of course you got Half Trolls like that commander who lead the attack on Minas Tirith, who was part orc, part troll. Even further you then dip into the various types of trolls and the Ologs.

@Bo_Nix_i_trust 2 года назад

orcs is spelleb orcs

@grizzlywyatt9491 2 года назад

I think it makes sense for the movie it helps with climax for the end of the movie to kill a bad guy. I think it also helps Boromir look stronger dying to a strong villain instead of random Uruks and it makes Aragon more powerful to people if he kills a strong villain assuming people don’t know the books.

@tomaslafleur36 2 года назад

Well said 💯

@Bengeance 2 года назад

Actually he died by Ugluk the Uruk-hai who said “meats back on the menu boys.”

@robthomson916 2 года назад

@@Bengeance He lost his head to Aragorn.

@cognitivedisability9864 2 года назад

@@robthomson916 ugluk doesnt loose his head to aragorn, eomer dismounts and duel him one on one when the rohirrim defeats the orc group at fangorn.

@cognitivedisability9864 2 года назад

Its sad because actually its far better than that in the book, boromir kills many many orcs and uruks, driving them back several times, until the orcs flee and the uruk bring up their archers and fire several vollies at boromir killing him with many arrows. Ugluk in the book claims that "we the fighting uruk-hai defeated the great warrior". hinting at the orcs being afraid of boromir and not daring to face him.

@SuperPAC130 2 года назад

Saruman : Whom do you serve? Lurtz: *SARUMAAHHN* DU-NU-NUNN-DUN-DUN-DUN Never gets old! :D

@choueriito2548 2 года назад

To answer the title, yes. Lurtz worked well both as a means of Aragorn avenging Boromir through a specific opponent and as a way for Saruman to naturally exposit information on the Orcs. For what was required in adapting The Lord of the Rings into film, he served his purpose well.

@jeffaltier5582 2 года назад

This change didn't bother me at all. In a movie, we needed a face on the enemy to have us root against. It just makes for better cinema.

@joshscafidi8174 2 года назад

and it also makes sense that the band of uruks would have leader

@maxion5109 2 года назад

@Ulfang999 Yes because Lurtz IS faceless, just a random orc npc when Ugluk was a character

@maxion5109 2 года назад

@Ulfang999 yes, i noticed my comment sounded like i was snarkily pointing out the obvious, but i was just unironically agreeing with you. But i do have some issues with Lurtz and the Uruk-Hai in the movies tho. They feel a bit too mindless and "automaton" like, perhaps just for shock and awe effect.

@BapeRuLLZ 2 года назад

My favourite addition around those scenes is before the attack when Aragorn meets Frodo at the top of Amon Hen and Aragorn sees the ring in Frodo's hands and he is visibly affected by it, yet he passes the test and instead wraps Frodo's own hands around it. That scene is so heroic and yet so gentle, a great scene to show Aragorn's character.

@rebeccalyn9908 Год назад

It was an incredible scene! It was a tear jerker of a scene but it did a good job of bringing a chunk of the nobility and confidence of Aragorn's character in the books to the screen. It reiterated Aragorn's desire for good and peace, and his desire to reclaim the throne of Gondor isn't a hard on to rule

@annatar6453 2 года назад

Like him or not, you have to admit he was a badass in the film.

@laurat5952 2 года назад

I was fine with Lurtz. Of all the extra characters across 6 movies, this has to be one of the least problematic.

@mrgaudy1954 2 года назад

@@donavonhoward114 Notice he mentioned "all 6 movies" implying that the Hobbit trilogy is included. If I were to hazard a guess I'd say that *this* trilogy is what the problematic accusation was levelled at.

@BJETNT 2 года назад

Only problem I had with them is they popped out of the ground. I don't know why he didn't just grow $50,000 of them instead of 10,000 if he had the ability to grow them..

@MioRaem Год назад

@@mrgaudy1954 And rightfully so. The Hobbit was butchered, albeit mostly because of the fckn studio hounding Jackson, not giving him the time he needed when he was only a last minute replacement in the first place. Jackson himself isnt without fault either, though.

@iPlayOnSpica 7 месяцев назад

@@MioRaem Despite being given so little time, he still had time to come up with so many bloated scenes featuring extremely unrealistic choreography. After seeing the M4 edit, it's almost shocking how many combat scenes Jacskon shouldn't have made.

@erickluviano981 2 года назад

I believe boromirs death is pretty important as in the films, Aragorn is very unconfident as a leader over the fact he believes he’s weak for having isildurs blood. The dramatic scene allows boromir to talk to him and show him what it means to have pride in who you are and where you come from. Boromir who gave himself always for his city even if he knows men are flawed. I feel like it gave Aragorn newfound courage in the movies and it’s the beginning of him returning to minas tirith as not just some ranger, but really as the heir to the throne, come to correct what isildur failed in

@BapeRuLLZ 2 года назад

I also love that scene! The aspect I don't like in the movies is how they made the race of Men seem weak, easily corruptible and shameful mainly through the added scene when Elrond talks about how Isildur (and thus the entire race of Men) 'failed', when he refused to destroy the ring and Aragorn is ashamed of that fact. In the books the Isildur in Mount Doom scene never happens, because back then nobody really knew what the ring exactly was (or at least Isildur had no idea) and he just kept it as an heirloom of their victory over Sauron. And even when Isildur started to realize what the ring was, he decided to go to Elrond to seek his council about what to do with the ring (Tolkien added this somewhere, I think maybe in a letter), but he was killed on the way at the Gladden Fields. This makes Men in the books much more proud and noble and they are not ashamed of "Isildur's Bane", they are just afraid of what could the thing be that even brought the death of their badass leader.

@erickluviano981 2 года назад

@@BapeRuLLZ yeah I’m actually reading the books rn I’m at return if the king. And I know right, in the book Aragorn is literally saying “BEHOLD THE SWORD OF ELENDIL, BEHOLD THE BLADE THAT WAS BROKEN REFORGED” literally every chance he gets when he comes to Rohan 😂 so it’s very different from the movie. I get they wanted him to undergo some development from shy ,unconfident to the leader he was born to be. But they really did screw all men overall. Even in the two towers faramir decides at first to take the ring to go for but I was surprised when I read he never does that in the book. He flat out tells Frodo I don’t need it. I would take it and then we would all fall. Just adding to how wiser faramir was than boromir.

@joshscafidi8174 2 года назад

@@BapeRuLLZ maybe i am projecting the books on to the movie slightly, but i dont think that elronds emotions were completely from that one incident. he had the misfortune of watching the kingdom of arnor split and fail, the witchking wage wars on his doorstep, the kingdom of gondor get smaller and smaller, the men of the south and east fall further into darkness, and the line of numenor kings be reduced to a relatively small pack of rangers roaming the wild. he didnt have much to be positive about regarding men.

@sigrim1974 2 года назад

@@erickluviano981 Not only that, i think one of the biggest flaws in the movie was when Faramir took Frodo to Osciliath and that the witch king saw Frodo and the ring....and then 2 days later when he is moving out his troops he feels the ring is close, and yet he leaves out thinking the ring cant be there....instead of putting 1+1 and search the area....

@mankyscotchgit4986 2 года назад

@@BapeRuLLZ I prefer it that way, I like that Aragorn in the films is a much more vulnerable and humble character, he actually develops over the course of the story and has to overcome something. In the books he's ready-made, everything's resolved already and he's immensely proud of his bloodline (which isn't a good look imo).

@TheNathanAndLaura 2 года назад

Lurtz was a great addition to the movies. Without a “big bad” for the heroes to overcome, the end of the first movie, though let of a trilogy, would have really lacked that sense of accomplishment that an audience really craves for the heroes. Having just lost Gandalf, then Boromir, there needed to be a cathartic release for the audience - somebody that Aragorn could show his skills against, and that the audience could see the heroes score some kind of victory against the antagonists. They couldn’t kill off Sauron, or Saruman, or even any of the other names orcs from the books, as each of them still had a role to fulfil in the next movie. So, adding in a non-canon orc leader to fight, and lose to Aragorn makes absolute sense to push the story, develop tension, and give the audience the emotional release after such a tense lead up to the end of the movie. If Boromir had been discovered dying, with Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli having missed the fight entirely, audiences would have walked away feeling massively cheated. What works in books doesn’t always work in movies. Lurtz is great.

@seanpoore2428 2 года назад

PRE-WATCH OPINION: Yes, I love the inclusion of characters among the enemy ranks. Tolkein had a few of his own of course but while Ugluk, Shagrat and Gorbag give us a peek into orc inter tribal culture and military structure, Lutz in the films gives us a window into the industry of Saruman and provides An answer to the question "where do orcs come from?" While serving as a decent final villain for movie 1

@donaldwantz4071 2 года назад

Except Tolkien never claimed orcs were gestated from mud. That whole movie adaptation was nonsense.

@seanpoore2428 2 года назад

@@donaldwantz4071 the movie made its own explanation and it worked for the proposes of the films story. It's gross, foul, vile and revolting. Perfect for orcs. The fact that tolkein doesn't specify This in the books is neither here nor there because he doesn't really give us a concrete final Canon answer on orc reproduction and changed his mind multiple times on the subject, so the movie version is in my opinion Very effective shorthand for the audience. Full disagree.

@donaldwantz4071 2 года назад

@@seanpoore2428 The movie didn't need to explain the process at all. There was no need for it, and Tolkien always maintained that Morgoth didn't have the ability to create life from nothing, he could only corrupt existing life forms. Growing orcs isn't like planting seeds in a garden, unless of course that is how elves reproduce -- the race from which orcs originated. There is no way Saruman is more powerful than Morgoth in the creation of life.

@seanpoore2428 2 года назад

@@donaldwantz4071 I always thought of the mud as a sort of cloning pit, not Creating life as much as replicating it in a twisted corrupt form (probably using genetic material/bodies from elves and, in the case of uruks, men) and it was a fun harmless addition that you can choose to incorporate into your head canon or not. Also you only see Saruman growing uruk-hai. It could also be argued that he's not Creating uruks but throwing an orc and a human into the soup pot and cooking till a bouncing baby Lurtz or an Ugluk comes out

@tominiowa2513 2 года назад

"Hello Eru, Curunír here - May I borrow the Flame Imperishable for a bit to create some foul humanoids?".

@MarMar-zj8tf 2 года назад

I think the importance of Lurtz really ties into Boromir's importance and portrayal. I think considering Boromir is portrayed as the the weak link right out of the gate in the movies (with regards to the ring) that having him be the only member of the fellowship to even look tempted by the ring AND fall to regular orcs when every other character fends off hordes effortlessly would have been a bit much. Boromir needed that final end boss in Lurtz to show that he did have some incredible strength against a huge threat. Having Aragorn take out Lurtz right after in a great fight showed the caliber of fighter that it would need to take down someone like Boromir. It's a satisfying ending to the movie. Also I guess Lurtz just looks cool haha.

@nhmooytis7058 Год назад

He was one of my favorite action figures 😊

@painfan476 2 года назад

Lurtz was a badass for a kid me and my father going to see the Fellowship at the movies. Makes total sense to add a big bad to take down a quite powerful hero in Boromir

@SlideRulePirate 2 года назад

I've always thought that Lurtz's primary purpose to facilitate an opportunity to drop some lore on the non-nerd component of the audience.

@Grizzlox 2 года назад

The climactic battle with Lurtz is extremely satisfying. Watching people who aren't familiar with Lord of the Rings genuinely fear for Aragorn's life proves to me that the cinematic choices were the right ones.

@Talius10 2 года назад

Since Sauron never leaves Barad Dur, and Saruman never leaves Orthanc, having some bad guy to focus on actively causing trouble for the Fellowship didn't bother me.

@lopirobinson1991 2 года назад

Good or bad Lurtz looked creepy as hell. I saw the movies before reading the books. That allowed me to not compare them. But even when I read the books I still had no complaints. Tolkien’s writing style is super detailed and that could translate to very slow possibly boring on the big screen, at least for enough of the audience to hinder the films performance. Books and film are an extremely different form of story telling. Jackson did the effective thing.

@aaronwalker4017 2 года назад

Best random character add in all the movies IMO..he was needed to make boromirs untimely demise seem more dramatic for the movies..would have even loved him to be in the books as well..great video as well

@lotsofspots 2 года назад

Lurtz was fine and served to support the main story. Azog was pointless and intrusive.

@Wustenfuchs109 2 года назад

Especially because in the book we have Bolg, the son of Azog, who is the leader of orcs. There was no need to add both Azog and Bolg in the film. And if they didn't, they would actually benefit from making the orc-dwarf conflict multigenerational. Not to mention that it makes Dain's claim to the throne of Erebor more sensible. In the film, he is just some Thorin's cousin who comes in to help and later takes the throne. In the book, Dain is the one to kill Azog and thus avenge the death of the previous king, Thorin's grandfather.

@mitchmitting102 2 года назад

There is no valid reason to say Lurtz was a bad addition to the movie outside of purity fanaticism. As one of the first Uruk-Hai, he gives the movie the power to show us Saruman's creations and what the wizard was doing while the Fellowship began the quest. He also gives us a face to call the villain of the first of the three, someone that needs to be bested by our heroes at the climax. To add onto that, he gives emotion to Boromir's death at Amon Hen, a pivotal point in the trilogy.

@MrRyguy2112 2 года назад

Lurtz vs Aragorn was a definite highlight of the last part of Fellowship.

@cliffhug79 2 года назад

In the film Lurtz fore fills the role of immediate physical threat. While Sauron is the evil mastermind character the psychological threat. And they both fit the roles really well so I think it was a good call to have him in the film. The most blatant example you get of these roles in other films are the James Bond films.

@greghunter6951 2 года назад

I loved the inclusion of Lurtz for me he had such a presence of evil. Also thought Aragorn showed his skills perfectly in dispatching Lurtz.

@mrgaudy1954 2 года назад

Lurtz' addition made sense considering Fellowship had to stand on its own as a film. Ugluk could have filled his role and carried it into Two Towers but having him (who I believe it was in the books) kill Boromir then run off only to get iced by the Rohirrim offscreen (or observed from Merry & Pippin's limited perspective) would have weakened the climax of Fellowship while not really providing a worthwhile payoff in Two Towers. For this approach to have made sense from a cinematic perspective they'd likely have had to alter the story in far more egregious ways.

@dextersbeard3472 2 года назад

I remember when it came out woman went crazy for Lurtz. The combination of his on screen sex appeal and his level of commitment to Saruman.. every woman's dream, so I'm told.

@edmonddantes563 2 года назад

Even the scenes when Saruman is talking to him, Lurtz showed he’s a good listener

@annaanisa7388 2 года назад

🤣🤣🤣!!!

@TJDious 2 года назад

He was an early prodigy too. Exceeding the expectations of his teacher at a young age.

@tomcross3000 2 года назад

Killing the one who birthed him too.. yeah, so dreamy.

@dextersbeard3472 2 года назад

@@tomcross3000 I can see his effect spans even to the opposit sex.

@Nerazmus 2 года назад

Boromir dying offscreen in the book always felt so wrong. Especially since he is the only member of the fellowship who actually dies and especially when comparing it to Gandalf's heroic sacrifice. It would be like if we skipped the confrontation between Gandalf and Balrog and just caught up with the Fellowship leaving Moria and mourning loss of Gandalf. It's like what? Where is this missing piece of story that should be here. I like Lurtz. It gave a face and sense to what Saruman can do. Any man would die to a swarm of orcs. But showing that Saruman can creat such monster that can kill Boromir and even give Aragorn run for his money was quite scary. I saw the movie before reading the book and when I got to this part, I at first thought I got some faulty coppy that forgot to print the fight.

@tominiowa2513 2 года назад

Gandalf dies (and is resurrected by Eru Ilúvatar), and in the Appendices we are told of the deaths of Aragorn, Merry, and Pippin. Frodo, Samwise, and Gimli will also die since dwelling in Valinor does not confer immortality. Legolas is an unanswered question, since elves are bound to Arda and it is unclear what happens to them when Arda is remade in the Second Music.

@Nerazmus 2 года назад

@@tominiowa2513 Well, I was obviously talking about dying during the story, not after it. And you are sort of of wrong about some things, possibly. We really only know about what happens to elves and men. Dwarf tradition says their souls await in Mandos to help Aule build the next world. So if that is to be believed, Gimli is sort of immortal in a way. As for hobbits... they are hobbits. They go party with Tom for all we know.

@monitor-mindtheover-void6712 2 года назад

I like the addition of Lurtz, it was important for the movie in many ways.

@Sentient_Napkin 2 года назад

Whether you like Lurtz or not, you have to admit this is some first rate plot analysis. Great video guys.

@donaldnesbitt4417 2 года назад

Interesting video that I enjoyed a lot. Overall, I'm pro-Lurtz, despite the fact that some of the movie's additions to the story really annoy me (Elves? at Helm's Deep? WTF?). His character does everything you cited in your video, without changing anything in a huge way. In other words, he fits. BTW, you gained a new subscriber with this video! :D

@peterstamerra445 2 года назад

Say what you will about Elves at Helms Deep, I always thought it was a good idea. It gives the Elves a way to take an active role in the War of the Ring. Without them, it we would just see humans vs. orcs/Uruks, which would be pretty boring considering it’s basically a world war in middle earth TL;DR it gives the elves something to do in the movies other than leave, as well as males Sauron more of a threat.

@joshscafidi8174 2 года назад

@@peterstamerra445 while true, we have real world examples of countries where world wars were happening right on their doorstep, with old alliances to countries that were involved, that sat on the sidelines (spain, sweden, switzerland), plus for many elves, this wouldnt have been their first regional or world war against sauron/morgoth. the argument of just being tired and wanting none of it is a legit one in their case. elrond had the witchking and his armies on his doorstep for hundreds of years, the elves of lorien and mirkwood have had issues with orcs and goblins for thousands of years. while having them leave does make for a boring story in lotr, it unfortunately fits with their whole middle earth lore

@MasterDuelMax 2 года назад

@@joshscafidi8174 Spain was dealing with a civil war, right?

@sigrim1974 2 года назад

@@donavonhoward114 Tolkiens sons didnt like the movies, and iam sure tolkien wouldent like it either, to many changes and to many unlogical ones also. Elrond made it clear that the Elves would not get involved in the war, that this war was for the men, though the elves fought but only at their homes defending themselves.

@donaldnesbitt4417 2 года назад

@@donavonhoward114 Well, I might give you "greatest fantasy battle". Though it's also obvious from watching the movie that nobody in the entire production really knows much about the military. Apparently the Elves, the greatest archers EVER, have never learned volley fire. That little 15' to 20' hole in the wall should have been choked with the bodies of dead orcs within moments. The point I was really making was that by adding the elves the story diminishes the accomplishments of the men in surviving the assault. Also, the elves (many of whom would be older/more experienced than Legolas) died awfully easily. Just sayin'.

@darinstrohmenger4451 2 года назад

I'd really love to see a video on why Arigorn didn't use the dead army to destroy all of mordor's forces before releasing them. Huge fan od you guys, but saw a video recently about the dead army and want more content!

@annaanisa7388 2 года назад

I mean, hypothetically speaking, how would they have played out having Ugluk being the character fighting Boromir/Aragorn instead of Lurtz? If Ugluk had been slain by Aragorn at the end of The Fellowship, then Ugluk wouldn’t have been around to lead the Orcs to Saruman at the beginning of The Two Towers (which obviously was the cannon part of the story). Now, let’s say they decided *not* to have Ugluk killed off and instead just badly wounded and escaped, then the (failed) heroic fight between Aragron and “Ugluk” wouldn’t have had as much of an emotional impact on the viewers. Also, it would have weakened Aragorn’s character. Idk. It looks like there needed to be an ultimate evil Orc leader to dispose of-so to speak-in order to keep Ugluk in the storyline longer (in addition to the *many* other incredible reasons not mentioned here). So adding in Lurtz was a necessary idea, in my opinion.

@Jostyy 2 года назад

Lurtz felt like an addition that made sense to me as opposed to say Azog or Tauriel because we needed an active villain other than Saruman, especially one to kill at the end of the film However, as much as I like the Uruk Captain cookie-cutter, I love Ugluk in both films and books and felt like we could've gotten more out of using him (as he was the captain of that Uruk party)

@Jostyy 2 года назад

I suppose at the end if the day #TeamUgluk

@colinmcdonald2499 2 года назад

Well said

@MS-vj6zt 2 года назад

I'd argue Azog filled that same role. It was a chance to have a villain who had history with the main characters and give a face to the enemy, instead of just random orcs. Especially for Five Armies, it wasn't a randomly organized army that just appears out of nowhere.

@Jostyy 2 года назад

@@MS-vj6zt idk Azog felt less needed? If that makes sense, and he doesn't really pursue Thorin and Co that much, he does in the first film but for the second film he kinds just does... nothing? Then in the third film he still kinda stands around and does nothing until Thorin goes to Raven Rock Bolg wouldve been more applicable since 1) he is actually in the Hobbit and 2) Azog is already dead I feel like there was missed opportunities with Ugluk and Bolg tbh

@colinmcdonald2499 2 года назад

@@MS-vj6zt you actually liked Azog? Did you read anything befo re you watched the movie? Or did you just think he was cool with a terminator blade stuck to his arm ? ( How did goblins master surgical enhancements in the 3rd age?)

@Terrik240 2 года назад

Yes, absolutely. It was a grounding character into the plot point of Saruman creating the Uruk-Hai monstrosities, and gave it real weight that this abomination was a reckoning to come. It was a great way to bridge what is good in a book vs good in a movie.

@annaroselarsen4218 2 года назад

Great video this is one of the most powerful parts in the morning and I love lurzt he is pretty cool

@guyr3618 2 года назад

Of course. There are literally zero downsides to this addition.

@OrcDragon65 2 года назад

I think Lurtz and the Battle also help inject some immediate understanding in Boromir's redemption. Seeing him defend Merry and Pippen and even sacrifice himself gives a solid understanding of his being a better person then the man who came after Frodo alone. That Boromir realizes he made a mistake and makes personal amends. The book kinda sorta plays it off like an unlikable character just died, so convenience? The Battle really helps us come around to Boromir and mourn his death and see him as one of the good guys, instead of a would-be failed villain who got hit with a ton of Karma. Seeing it makes all the difference.

@jamesmoore4819 2 года назад

The addition of Lurtz really worked for me. I didn’t really feel much for Boromir as a character through the books but given his redemption arc in the Fellowship movie I felt a lot more investment. I think it also shows the rise, fall and ultimate rise again of Men in tolkein’s world. Although Men will falter they will ultimately rise again on the side of good

@darthuchiha9870 2 года назад

I personally am not a big reader, especially books thick enough to knock someone out with. I had no idea Lurtz was and addition to the film and I don't think I could imagine NOT seeing Borimir's final stand, its one of the most iconic scenes in cinema history in my eyes.

@jamiegregg9211 2 года назад

really liked this video James and yeah Lurtz is one of my favourites from the movies

@tymecamp2891 2 года назад

I would love to see a more in-depth explanation of each of the books, both by themselves and when comparing them to the Peter Jackson adaptations! You did an awesome job summarizing the overall book arch and how the story was put together and I would love to see more of that

@RagnaroksHomesteading 2 года назад

I agree that he was a good addition in a film setting. Visually people need to see more. In a literature sense, though a bonus, it steps away from Tolkien's vision. Maybe there was a reason Boromir was slain in such fashion - war isn't all about heroes, every soldier can slay the enemy.

@BettyBoop836 2 года назад

I think he was necessary because he added drama to the story.

@nataliep6385 2 года назад

Lurtz and Legolas in Battle for Middle Earth PC game strategy game is insane!

@istari0 2 года назад

I enjoyed the addition of Lurtz to the movie and agree it made for a good climax with him killing Boromir and then dying in combat with Aragorn. I thought the depiction of how he was created was really not in keeping with Tolkien and just unnecessary.

@nmd1120 2 года назад

Please do more of these! And maybe some about things that were omitted from the books in the films. Would love to see some of the changes in the Hobbit assessed as well.

@justjestin9749 2 года назад

Sir Christopher Lee talked to him so that's good enough for me.

@YellowLantern18 2 года назад

There's also the battle for middle earth scenario where Boromir lives.

@chrisgoblin4857 2 года назад

Lurtz was the prototypical Uruk Hai. It helps provide that image to the viewers who may not have read the books. I hadn't quite got to the end of the Fellowship book when the movie came out so as an introduction to the Uruk Hai, it worked well.

@thomastaylorjr.6366 2 года назад

Lurtz was a good bit of creative liberty in my opinion, he definitely gave the movie some nice intensity and made the death of Boromir and the breaking of the fellowship more dramatic and coordinated, would've been a tough sell without the final battle against Aragorn. Although Ugluk wasn't given as much of a role in the following movie, at least we know he could handle his draught! On a separate note, I have thought of a request since I have started re-watching the movies a couple days ago. Concerning the Fellowship of the Ring, I was wondering how Gandalf got his staff back after escaping Isengard after Saruman snatched it during their duel. Can't remember how this bit plays out in the book, but Gandalf has his staff back when he shows up in Rivendell to join the fellowship. I'd love to hear your thoughts on how he got the staff back! Love your videos !! Keep up the great work! 🤘

@stillsaltydeadguylul7318 2 года назад

Doesn't galadriel give him a new one?

@thomastaylorjr.6366 2 года назад

@@stillsaltydeadguylul7318 hmm I need to look over the book tonight, so Gandalf went to Galadriel before going to Rivendell? Or she was already waiting in Rivendell maybe? should've done my research before putting out the request 😅

@LordDarkDan 2 года назад

I loved Lurtz being added, to me he really did the job in show casing just the sheer threat of the Uruk-Hai if they were fully developed. Lurtz being one of the first Uruks to be pulled out had a slight advantage over most of his kind in future and that was actually being developed properly and trained unlike his future brothers who were more hastily developed. Saruman tells us the Uruks are meant to be so much more superior to Orcs and even stronger than Men but we are never given the chance to see that until the 2nd film. Lurtz is what gave us the clue and showed off just how badass, terrifying and resilient the Uruks could be, Aragorn wins but he doesn't half struggle and when you see those final moments, lacking an arm, impaled through the chest and still coming at Aragorn your thinking. 'Holy shii and there's gonna be an army of these guys?' Keep in mind I saw the films first and then read the books. So I'm bound to be biased.

@ClassicHarleyQuinn 2 года назад

Fun Facts: Lurtz actor played multiple characters in the trilogy. He also accidentally threw the dagger directly at Viggo and he blocked and it was so good Jackson kept it in the film.

@stephenlackey5852 2 года назад

Thank you for this Love your channel

@Dizzythedes 2 года назад

In the book there's the bodies of about 20 orcs around Boromir. A few killed by the hobbits but still you could say Boromir killed 15 before being riddled with arrows. That doesn't support the oh "even great warriors die to orcs" its more that he died because he was overwhelmed.

@TJDious 2 года назад

I never really saw it as a character being added, just a random orc given more importance. He doesn't have any specific chsractetization and isn't even given a name in thr movie. Honestly to me a better debate is whether it ess a good idea to give Aragorn a climactic duel in the movie.

@mankyscotchgit4986 2 года назад

I like Aragorn's duel. Like, a film has to have a plot, excitement, drama. The book ends just with Frodo and Sam going off in the boat, there aren't even any orcs there, and we don't even see Boromir's death until the start of TT. It's very anticlimactic and a strange choice on Tolkien's part, which would have translated very badly to film.

@Huskytabby 2 года назад

What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?

@chzzyg2698 2 года назад

For me, the movie brought my attention to the books. From a cinematic perspective, Lurtz gives a face to the orc army. Without a recognizable face to connect the villains it's just a rabble of monsters running about. It could work without him, but it does give the army a character, and Aragorn an enemy.

@buddyfett1341 2 года назад

It 100% worked without him.

@selfishstockton6123 4 месяца назад

When I saw the movie in theaters, people audibly cheered when Lurtz got beheaded.

@lazydave9761 7 месяцев назад

Weta's tweet perfectly encapsulates how I feel about the encounter - with Lurtz, we're given the opportunity to witness the one that slew a beloved character have his head separated from his shoulders. Couldn't ask for a better payoff.

@BFMert 2 года назад

I agree with everyones comments about the movie, also a big plus for me is im a big fan of BFME RTS games, Lurtz is such a big character there, its amazing to have his presence along with isengard

@OldManTenno 2 года назад

Lurtz had the presence to make this work. He was very imposing, and wasn’t easy to take down. In close combat, I think he was the only one to really challenge Aragorn in the movies. You get a sense that if you flip a coin, either one of them would win. As for the end of the movie, having overcome this challenge and be with Boromir made great sense.

@YuuSHiiiN 2 года назад

Lawrence Makoare is a BEAST, as with the majority of his movie roles in general. Just putting it out there.

@BlackJar72 2 года назад

Lurtz hardly even registered with me, to me this was just "the orc captain who shot Borromir" -- I was more concern with changing the origin story of the Uruk Hai, though when I thought about it I realized the book's version with it years of breeding and train would be too much dry exposition for the screen and something likely to be not fully processed and quickly forgotten by many viewers.

@susandolan9543 2 года назад

"Do you know how the Orcs came into being?" Snarl. "They were Elves once, captured by the dark powers," Snarl. "Tortured, mutilated, a wrecked and ruined form of life," Snarl. "Now perfected, my fighting Uruk-Hai." Snarl. "Whom do you serve?" "Saruman."

@MattMacKo 2 года назад

Lurtz was an acceptable addition. Unlike the tuariel legolas dwarf love triangle

@napdragon94 2 года назад

I liked Lurtz he was badass and his inclusion in the movies didn't take away from anything in the books unlike having Arwen save Frodo instead of Glorfindel and gave us an epic scene with Boromir and Aragorn.

@DixtunBabyAngel Год назад

I agree with all of the points that he was a good addition to the movies. Also, Lurtz was great eye candy, too!

@johnbowden811 2 года назад

The Peter Jackson movies were adaptations of the Tolkien books, so yes is the answer to the question. These movies were probably the first time some are introduced to the Tolkien stories. So in a way Lurtz helps to describe and define an Uruk-hai from an Orc. Love the videos, please carry on your education of the Tolkien books. Thank you.

@tonysobon4669 Год назад

You hinted at it throughout your video , yes it was a great add since like you said it gave us a way to see Boromir's death fight and Argon getting to kill some kind of non random Orc to end the first movie , plus they were PG-13 so who knows how that effected fight scenes.

@vbac100 2 года назад

Great Addition!!

@TheStuckMillennial 2 года назад

Gotta love Lurtz. He was also a fuarkin weapon on the PC game, Battle for Middle Earth (1&2)

@JennFaeAge 2 года назад

I love the behind the scenes thing from the Lurtz/Aragorn fight where it turns out the Lurtz actor went for Viggo so aggressively that when you see Aragorn bleeding that's blood from a *genuine* cut

@GrimViridian 2 года назад

And how he was supposed to miss the knife throw but didn't so Viggo actually deflected it himself and they kept it in the film

@mevb 2 года назад

Even if I saw the movie first twenty years ago before I read the book, I still say that it was a good decision to add Lurtz as a personal confrontation between our heroes and villians is needed for the movie and you can't have Sauron or Saruman doing it, cuz they weren't present at this point in the books (due to a misunderstanding, Sauron is a flaming eye spirit form stuck on Barad-dûr and therefore unable to go out and fight and doing so wouldn't justify him to go out and kill Boromir but not the rest of the Fellowship and then run like a coward, and like stated in the video Saruman doesn't leave Isengard in the book, though later Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli saw a white figure the night before they go into Fangorn, which Gandalf denies it was him and speculates it MIGHT be Saruman). It is much cooler having a fight between Aragorn and Lurtz and the villian slain rather than either not happening or Lurtz (or Uglúk run like a coward, though sometimes villians run away to fight another day can work if there'll be another confrontation).

@fightingfalcon777 2 года назад

#TeamLurtz I definitely think his inclusion was a good thing for all the reasons described in the video. It gives the movie a primary antagonist to defeat at the climax and it adds tension/a satisfactory climax by giving Aragorn a worthy adversary to fight and kill at the end as well as strengthening his avenging of Boromir’s death

@micshork 2 года назад

I think he was a great original character. It allowed Aragorn to avenge a Boromir and serve as one of Saruman’s top commanders. Imagine if they had kept him alive and he served as the Uruk commander at Helm’s Deep. I’d say that his only equivalent in Sauron’s army is Gothmog.

@johnt.inscrutable1545 2 года назад

A comparison of this type would be incredible.

@nhmooytis7058 Год назад

I also loved the MEAT’S BACK ON THE MENU line which gave most purists fits.

@palantir135 2 года назад

In a movie you need persons that get extra attention; good guys, bad guys.

@JohnSmith-bt3xh 2 года назад

Very fine-made vid! Lurtz was great choice for the movie👍

@heavygrass2895 2 года назад

As a kid I absolutely loved Lurtz he was gnarly!

@simonvegas793 2 года назад

Yeah that sounds great, long in depth look. I'd deffo watch.

@konewhatsthenamespolicy6308 2 года назад

Unlike the books the movies needed Lurtz to both act as a focal point for the Uruk hai and also to provide a finale antagonist. I never thought Lurtz being a hero Uruk meant he was superior to the rest in much of a significant way. He personified how strong they all were. It was the ease with which the heros dispatched the other uruk hai that diminished them comparatively.

@davejones9469 2 года назад

Since Saruman betrays Sauron, it created two primary antagonists, at least for a time. Every big bad needs some kind of mini-boss underneath them as Vader is a sub villain of the Emperor. It's more about the limitations of film for time, smaller climaxes and simplicity.

@tomcross3000 2 года назад

As menacing as ugluk might be, he is someone that is a bit like smaug or the goblin king.. their fear factor undermined by speech which made them seem more human like. They talk a little too much to be scary whereas a real scary creature is one that doesn’t talk, just roars or growls and knows maybe some basic words. The latter was why lurtz was so fearsome. He was big, single minded, indiscriminate with rage, brutal and bloodlusting. He even killed the orc in the cavern that birthed him. So he worked well.

@voidl7334 2 года назад

Great video

@TheBrokenSword 2 года назад

Thanks!

@ayethein7681 2 года назад

Yes. Fleshing out the Orcs into individual characters. Lurtz is a great character and brings so much to the film...as long as he lasts, that is.

@mateuszslawinski1990 2 года назад

Lurtz was minor 5 min time character that didn't really change a story. We get minor villain being somewhat personally responsible for death of a hero, which (the villain) is quickly put to the sword. More satisfying than "Boromir was slaughtered by namless mob of orcs".

@BJETNT 2 года назад

I like the addition of Lurtz! Especially watching aragorn kick his ass. I mean aragorn was one of the most highly trained men ever in the legendarium. When lurch tried to fight him with a sword he didn't stand a chance. Borimir probably would have killed him too if he hadn't shot him from a distance with arrows. That was pretty smart on his part.

@halfblooddutchprince 2 года назад

He is a fun boss battle in The Two Towers video game too

@shadowman3064 2 года назад

Ofc it was a good idea, now we have a very strong commander in Rise to War ;)

@FantasySci5 2 года назад

#TeamLurtz Lurtz was a great addition, seeing Boromir's death and Aragorn's revenge was moving.

@Daniel_Pines_26 Год назад

Yes, give us more details and your perspective on storylines and structure of narative, cross-analysing the very construction of Tolkien's works.

@PhilippStarsky 2 года назад

Yes.

@TheBrokenSword 2 года назад

Agreed!

@Velthur74 2 года назад

I think it was a great idea to add him to the story

@TomLentz 2 года назад

I thought it was a good addition. Incidentally I met the actor who played him (Lawrence Makoare) when he and Sean Aston came to a Worldcon to accept a Hugo Award. Really nice guy, who'd never been out of his country before. He played the Witch King later on, and I think a few other bit parts when they needed an imposing guy.

@erickirby7021 2 года назад

I think Lurtz was an awesome addition. But they very well could have used Ugluk as you pointed out. Still awesome though, I definitely don't have any complaints.

@jonathonfrazier6622 2 года назад

Since they never named him in the film I just assumed it was Ugluk who suffered a premature death.

@GHOST-xb1ye 2 года назад

They shouldve given Lurtz a story arc in the trilogy, a final fight with Boromir's brother, Faramir, would've been a great dramatic ending when Faramir finally gets his vengeance for his brother's death. They killed him off too early.

@darbyelliott2890 2 года назад

Lurtz was one of my favorite characters. He was brutal, unforgiving, and bada**. Imagine if you got to see The Voice of Sauron truly get in a Killing Spree! Instead pathetically gets its head removed. Really, how is that Sauron's top Lieutenant!?

@zentzisz 2 года назад

They have to show and not just tell you can kinda see it in the hobbit cartoon where Bilbo just falls asleep during the war it just kinda falls flat but I get it its super hard to write out fighting scenes