I havent seen RoP, but I did see some of the promotional material and the costume design looked like something you could get at a halloween store. I'm pretty sure I've seen better LoTR cosplay than the wardrobe in RoP
Absolutely, even if you disregard the absolute bastardization of Tolkien's work and say: ''Tolkien, Schmolkien, I just want to watch a fun fantasy story whatever...", this show fails on every level. They have continuity errors, that you don't even see in a crappy Uwe Boll B-Movie!
@@doublep1980 uwe boll at least challenged his critics to a boxing match, sou you could at least let him personally know how shit his movies were with your own fists, these bastarts just shat all over someone else's legacy and then scream racism like a banshee when nobody likes it
The LotR trilogy cost as much per movie as Rings of Power cost per episode… (within rounding error) … just look at the prop weapons and Armor etc… it’s obvious people didn’t know how to or didn’t care when making RoP
@@arwenstrong2818oh no! Barbarians in the dark ages doing barbarian things? Color me shocked. What does that have to do with the people now or when JRR wrote the book. Nothing. Get over it.
@@olivercrespo2329 Because he wrote it to replace the lost mythology. Conquest happens, yes, but does that stop you from having pride in your culture? Does the mythology of a conquered nation stop mattering when they're conquered? Because we'd have none.
Netflix owns the rights to the Chronicles of Narnia, another famous and amazing Christian work. I can't wait for them to put a chick in it and make it lame.
The main character of the Pevensie children is the youngest girl. Balanced by the older sister losing her faith in the end. Has proper strong female characters, and Edmund is already originally a weak and sniveling character, but they will probably ruin his redemption arc under Netflix. Can't have a male redemption... smh
If Rings of power did not use the name Lord of the rings, it would have a been a beautiful looking, very mediocre fantasy show. But the fact that they butchered Tolkiens characters is what made it epically bad.
@@emperormiguel8327 It really is man and that's part of the reason why rings of power fucking sucks. They were obviously very passionate about feminism and trannys tho!
My favourite part was dwarves of colour... You know, the race that has always lived underground with exposure to the least amount of melanin possible..
I really need to read the Silmarillion again, but pretty sure the Dwalves were created before the Sun was created? Aulë made the Dwalves without the concept of the sun. The Two Trees and then Two Lamps light Arda before the Sun. I could be wrong though?
What Gary pointed out about Tolkien's work is an aspect that even authors such as JRR Martin don't understand. Tolkien created a mythology that could exist in the minds and culture of fictional Christianized Britain, specifically England that still has pagan components, just like Beowulf. In other words it is was never meant to be the kind of fantasy world like the one Martin created. That is why Matin's criticism that Aragon would have to deal with running the realm with issues of economics, disgruntled population etc., cheating perhaps on Arwen, and leaving those kinds of aspects out was a failure on Tolkien's part. So, his response is "The Song of Fire and Ice." No, again, Tolkien's world is two steps removed. It is a mythological or mythopoeic world created by a fictional people. It isn't directly about the made up people. That is why, it is a constrained world that only functions in discrete parameters of a mythological "England." There are no African elves, only nordic ones. There are no African or Asian Numenoreans etc.
Martin is a solipsist and deconstructionist, and that was his primary motivation in taking on Tolkien. To be fair though he is a very skilled one (even if he did have the help of massively ripping off the plot outline of Dune especially for his first book and just changing the setting to fantasy rather than sci fi) which is why his work still succeeded while all the modern talentless deconstructions fail miserably. His line about "Aragorn's tax policy" is a great glib little sound-bite but it's one of the most disingenuous and irksome parts of his whole shtick. The Shire itself "is" the real world and it is remarkably well fleshed out in the books, to the extent that all of Martin's jabs about economics etc are moot since they are completely explained and detailed in that setting. However the further out of the Shire the characters move the further they are entering the mythic and spiritual realms and within this new setting those silly little nit-picks are irrelevant and pointless. One can reasonably say that Aragorn is a herculean demi-god who married a lesser angel after they helped defeat a greater demon/the devil. However after all of this the main characters also then eventually return back to the real world/The Shire and then the impact that those mythic and spiritual upheavals have had on the real world are discovered and must be faced and resolved (including in an economic sense) by these mundane main characters who have grown and bettered themselves. As you say, Martin doesn't understand Tolkien, or at least he deliberately misconstrues it for his own self-interested ends.
@cameronjames3499 compared to both Tolkein and Herbert, Martin is also a MASSIVE failure. He won't even finish his series. While I would still like to see a more accurate depiction of his Nightflyers book than the absolute DOGSH*T that we got, the rest of his works are painfully unremarkable, comparatively speaking.
Well Martin misses the point with those things :) since obviously the two authors have different approaches (also the most obvious is that Aragorn's reign is just starting as the Lord of the Rings story ends...so where does Martin actually want those to be featured? :) but jokes aside, there is enough sheer lore and detail in Tolkien's world that many of the Martin's questions could be answered if he only delved deep enough) whatever Aragorn's tax policy was I'm sure it would be far more just, fair and lenient towards the people than that of his distant ancestors :) "In the second stage, the days of Pride and Glory and grudging of the Ban, they begin to seek wealth rather than bliss. The desire to escape death produced a cult of the dead, and they lavished wealth and an on tombs and memorials. They now made settlements on the west-shores, but these became rather strongholds and ‘factories’ of lords seeking wealth, and the Númenóreans became tax-gatherers carrying off over the sea evermore and more goods in their great ships. The Númenóreans began the forging of arms and engines." -J.R.R. Tolkien, Letter No. 131 Or this whole 'good man making good ruler' or rather good man not necessarily makes good ruler that Martin was saying, is also not as clear cut in Tolkien works we have many examples of kings, and not all of them were good men, some of them even when 'good' were not effective rulers, with Aragorn it's actually more logical, Aragorn will make good king, because he has skills to use, but his morality also adds important factor, in Tolkien's view Denethor is "tainted with mere politics" so Aragorn is above that, some people assume it's unrealistic and yet all desire to have the rulers or authorities who would maintain some moral integrity :). Simply put we have examples of good men who were ineffective kings in Tolkien, Tar-Palantir comes to mind, our dear Inziladun was a good man but he could not reverse the corruption that gripped the island kingdom of his, then we have real jerks who ARE 'good rulers' in that they were effective, or at least powerful and rich and increasing their power successfully. Aragorn HE KNOWS what sort of intrigue and political plotting he may face ;). After all when he ventured into "far countries of Rhun and Harad where the stars are strange" and where he was "deep into the South, exploring the hearts of Men, both evil and good, and uncovering the plots and devices of the servants of Sauron." So he is not naive....but he is in a level above such pettiness and that's what makes him special!!!
No way Aragorn would have ever cheated on Arwen. Only a fat unhealthy man who can’t complete tasks and doesn’t know what love is could say such a thing
The setting of Tolkien's world is basically northern Europe. After all, the mythologies and legends he drew from were Germanic and Celtic, the languages he based Elvish (particularly Quenya) was from Finnish, Rohirric from Norse and Anglo-Saxon, for example. I would also argue that the other races of people mentioned in Tolkien's works as existing on the fringe of the known realms of Elves & Men, such as the Easterlings, Southrons, and men from Umbar would be modeled after those tribes of people that ancient and medieval Europeans would consider as Barbarians, such as Asians, Africans, and Arabs. Instead of taking Tolkien's Appendences and trashing them with their identity politics, I would have more respect if Amazon just decided to make a series that had a story dealing with a tribe or two of Easterlings or Southrons whose leaders and common people made decisions on how to deal with Sauron's evil influence. That way they could use as many actors from as many races as they wanted, and I would have more respect for that than I ever could for the trash they foisted on us with the ROP.
The guy also defended all new star wars releases too. Part of me always felt like he was a bit of a culture tourist because how can you declare that you love all these IPs but at the same time not care about the damage thats being done to established lore? He was deffo their 'just consume product, dont ask questions and get excite for next product' target audience.
@@LostMachinima Either you're in the groove, or in the gutter. Would you ask black people why they don't like to hang with That Guy who thinks, say, Vanilla Ice was the greatest rapper ever?
Everything Tolkien did was deliberate. That’s why rings of power is absolute dog crap. He answered everything that needed answering and left ambiguity as a flavor.
Lol you can tell Gary is so used to being in a room looking at the camera and screen alone. He keeps just looking into the camera while talking instead of looking at the other people
Yup lots of solo's and lives streams with active chat. It does connect with the viewer/audience better though. Less of that feeling of outside looking in when watching the Gary.
@@TheLinc78but for a non snarky answer to your snarky question. The original definition was just aware of racial prejudice, but over time it morphed into a descriptor for people that put feelings before facts yet somehow follow left leaning propaganda as fact. Incredibly sensitive and viewing victimhood as a virtue. These people are more stuck in their ways than the KKK, thats not an exaggeration, just ask Darrel Davis
@@TheLinc78 but here’s a non-snarky answer for your snarky question. The original definition was just aware of racial prejudice, but over time it morphed into a descriptor for people that put feelings before facts yet somehow follow left leaning propaganda as fact. RU-vid deleted my comment with similar wording so you can tell theres a bunch of woke moderators that don’t like what Im saying
It's a surreal time to be a Tolkien fan. Those around me know I've been a fan for decades, so it was a natural question for them to ask if I was enjoying the new "Lord of the Rings" series just as a point of conversation. They were confused when I said I haven't watched it beyond one episode and a bunch of clips online, and the natural question is why don't I watch it all. Then I have to go into a rather boring detailing of how it's not representative of Tolkien's works, and how the show-runners are cynically using Tolkien as a Trojan Horse to smuggle their own politics and story across disguised as something it isn't. Unlikable Galadriel, black elves, a romance sub-plot with Sauron? The time-line mashed up, when the Rings of Power had been around for centuries by this point. Orodruin erupting due to some strange contrivance of waterways? Gandalf arriving via meteor? Hobbits that are not Hobbits, they're only Harfoots, which are Hobbits, and have we got the rights to use the word Hobbit yet? Galadriel's husband and daughter being conspicuously absent. It's like someone took Tolkien's writings, dropped them into a shredder and is trying to piece the books back together from the disparate pieces, so out goes canon, out goes tone, and overarching narrative, and consistent atmosphere, and out goes any resemblance to his works beyond names of characters and places. To say I was disappointed is a rather mild description of the actual fact.
The whole show is a garbage fanfic of amateurish level of writing....seriously bad....but as adaptation of Tolkien's works....it's downright horrible....because of how it butchered the lore and screws up basics of worldbuilding!!! If they cannot follow the basics hen they clearly show no sign of respect for the original author's vision and that's a huge red flag at the very beginning.
I find it amusing watching trilogy fans attack RoP. Jackson destroyed Tolkien's work and gave us typical Hollywood blockbuster schlock. Yes, RoP is trash but so is the trilogy.
@@junglemoose2164uh what? Have you read lotr 1-3? The movies are pretty darn similar, like 80-85% similar. Thats pretty damn impressive for a 2 1/2-3 hour run time on release, and 3 1/2-4 for extended. The only gripe with what I’d say was changed was Gandalf getting his staff broken and the lack of explanation to denethor’s character. Past that, they still hold up as some of the greatest movies of all time about a book.
@@Radbiker33357they're nowhere near "pretty darn similar". They're phenomenal movies and may go down as the greatest trilogy ever made. As direct book adaptations they are extremely overrated. Many themes, parts and characters were left out, which is understandable because of runtime issues. But very many parts were so drastically changed that elemental themes got adulterated. Some Characters were butchered so hard they don't have anything in common with their book equivalent. I could write endless paragraphs about the substantial alterations of the source material. Just a few bullet points to keep it within limits: the Witchking breaking Gandalf's staff, Elves show up at Helm's Deep, the Destruction of the Ring by Frodo and Gollum fighting over it, Frodo getting rescued by Arwen instead of standing up to the Ringwraiths, Frodo sending home Samweis, the Paths of the Dead passage is nothing less than a parody of the actual chapter in the book, Faramir, Denethor, Aragorn are completely different from their book equivalents, Gimli is nothing but a comic relief etc etc etc The only reason all these changes are somewhat acceptable is that the trilogy overall respects Tolkien's fundamental themes and intentions. Although it skips many of his motives. It does capture the atmosphere and the scope of the books but it is ridiculously silly at times.
@@junglemoose2164 ahh, you´re trying the old "but-that-other-thing"-strategy here. It´s not gonne work bro. The trilogy will always be 1000x better and more beloved than this shitshow.
Amazon could have made something great from this, IF they showed the franchise the respect it deserved. Sadly the Bad Reboot rejects didn't have a clue about that unlike actual fans of Tolkien's work. My god the possibilities and they threw it all away just to promote a moronic agenda!
It's really a shame. They could have had a really excellent, universally praised series, but they couldn't help their virtue signaling like the good leftists they are. I'm not sure if they could've made a season beyond one with just the Appendices though.
ROP is a terrible fantasy show with the thinnest veneer of LOTR poorly pasted on top. It's not even bad fan fiction. You need to actually be a fan to write bad fan fiction.
Haven’t watched any of ROP an never will. Seen some reviews from drinker,gary etc and that’s it. The moment I heard about black elves with buzzcuts .. black hobbits and dwarfs I was out. Hope the 2nd season bombs hard af. Screw Amazon
And the fact that they fired Tolkiens eminent biographer, Tom Shippey, because he was essentially telling them that they were doing everything wrong. That's a huge red flag. I'm still waiting to hear his thoughts on the entire matter but I suspect he signed an NDA. And the other simple fact is that there are no hobbits in the second age, period, and the Harfoots were not an ancestor of the hobbits. They were a species of Hobbit like the Stoors and the Fallohides. Talk about completely not understanding the source material.
Wasn't Tom Shippey attached to the production as well but left on his own terms. I can't wait for the NDA's to lift one day. They could do a whole documentary about what went wrong that probably would be more entertaining than the show itself.
Not Humphrey Carpenter - Tom Shippey. Carpenter couldn’t stand Tolkien and did his damnedest to mock and belittle Tolkien’s mythos. Tom Shippey, on the other hand, is a living legend. When Amazon treated him like dirt I knew I wanted nothing to do with Amazon.
@@Zenocrate I have Carpenter's bio of Tolkien from 1977 and nowhere in it is he mocking Tolkien. Where are you getting this from? You're correct that it was Shippey though. That was my mistake.
There was enough material that The Hobbit could have been two solid movies. CGI is a great tool that allows you to do things that aren't possible but practical effects are so much better.
Definitely two solid movies. But I do think you could argue with 3 if you gave some creative liberty to the directors. Them adding stuff about Dol Guldur and the Battle of Five Armies, since Tolkien glanced over that stuff (rightfully so since he was writing from Bilbo's perspective) could have definitely helped with the world building if they had executed them perfectly. While I wouldn't say they botched the battle, it was definitely underwhelming and too visually displeasing.
The Hobbit should be just one long animated movie tho. The story structure doesn't lend itself well to be presented in two parts and frankly, there is no need for that tale to be told in two movies. Also they should not even try to flesh out the dwarves besides Thorin and maybe Balin. Thorin is the only dwarf that matters (as a character) in that story.
True, even though the hobbit is shorter than any of the LOTRs books, it's pacing is much faster, and there is more plot in it then there is in a single LOTRs book.
@@Maarten8867 yeah, that's why I don't think 3 movies for it is necessarily bad as there are kind of 3 separate arcs to it: 1. Everything leading up to Beorn's place and the discovery of the ring 2. The trials and tribulations of Mirkwood, the Elves, and trying to get to Dale 3. Leaving Dale, the death/handling of Smaug, and the claiming of the mountain.
The plot of the Hobbit does justify a trilogy but the screenwriters had the wrong approach. They wanted to tie in all the appended stuff that actually has nothing to do with the story of the Hobbit (white council, Dol Guldur, high fells, Gundabad, Sauron's return) plus they added their own redundant fiction (love triangle, Alfrid, Bard's kids). As a result of all this extra stuff the actual plot of the Hobbit was heavily neglected. There are large parts of the second and third movie in which Bilbo basically becomes an extra. Had they focused on the core plot of the Hobbit and maybe fluff it up a little here and there (adding Legolas in principle makes sense but the way they did it was crap) they could've made three true Hobbit movies
The issue is NERDS are smart and do well in school (thats it. nothing else), Geeks are the fandom heads/ fixated on mediums but they arent really good in school. Then there are DWEEBS . dweebs or dweebies were the social awkward / mentally stunted kids. now they loop all those into one.
I always it was the other way around with geeks and nerds .. but I decided that Sportfans are geeks/nerds as well when they go to their ball conventions wearing stupid make-up and outfits.
I keep saying this: they should have done a story on the Blue Wizards in the East or Harad. That way we get a cool original story and non white actors actually make sense
I don't think anyone needs to understand the source material to know how bad that show was, it was nuts. It was ridiculous. Bad sword fighting, logistics that make no sense, crossing whole oceans and continents in the span of days... _people_ _surviving_ _a_ _pyroclastic_ _cloud_ _head_ _on_ . It would be harder to fuck up more while still imitating LOTR.
The thing was the LOTR Appendices in itself was a wealth of lore particularly covering the history of the kingdoms Arnor and Gondor and their battles against the remaining forces of Sauron. Amazon could have went for that and probably expanded it especially about Eastern Middle Earth which had a lot of gaps as far as the lore is concerned. But no, they had to ruin existing lore
After seeing his Pinocchio and finding out his script for Hellboy 3 was such a travesty that it ended a decades-long friendship with Mike Mignola, I think it would be more likely to be "incredible" in the perjorative sense.
I think it's a complete misinterpretation that del Toro's Hobbit would've been anything great. If anything PJ limited the damage that was already done as good as he was able in the short amount of time and the immense interference by the studio.
When he faded the screen of Guyladriel hanging from the side of the cliff in full plate armor to put in the Tampax logo I almost pissed myself laughing! 😁😆😅😂🤣
I absolutely love that he mentioned Tolkien being a Catholic. First, he outright said that his work was not an allegory for any of his beliefs. Second, even though he said that, it's basically impossible for it not to influence his work. Galadriel is an obvious allegory of the Blessed Mother. A note about the Blessed Mother? Routinely presented on armor, routinely invoked to win war, routinely seen slaying demons. The idea of a 'badass warrior woman' being in any way contradictory to the person of the Blessed Mother is absolutely laughable.
I loved the Pale Orc in Peter Jackson’s version. It’s minimalistic and because of that much scarier. Plus, I think it was ONLY Peter Jackson’s who could pull off The Hobbit. It wasn’t ideal, no question, but he did it in his recognizable style, which was important for most of the fans of the original trilogy which became a film classic.
40k has some cool parts but it's ruined by the fact that the focus is almost solely placed on the Imperium/Spess Mahreens in the narrative sense and the meta sense. The Imperium of Man is boring as shit and gets in the way of other more interesting aspects of the setting. Also Warhammer fantasy > 40K, shrimple as that.
Having written a two novel series (second book is in the publishing process right now) I initially got excited with the idea of it being adapted into a movie/series...then I remembered all of the butchered adaptations...and now I'm a bit scared of it becoming something like that. I know CGI has the potential to make my non-human characters seamlessly blend with the human characters...however I've seen that butchered too. I'm not closed off to it (though I know with how few people know about the book, it might never happen. Advertising is time and money intensive with are both pretty limited for me right now) but I've definitely gone through the motions to make sure if it does happen I'm involved so the story doesn't get butchered. It's called The Wolf and the Pilot (ebook and physical copies available on both Amazon and Barnes and Nobles) and is a young adult novel though pretty much everyone who's read it is outside of that age group and have all said they like it. I used to try to maintain my anonymity on here by not showing my name but once I advertised the book on one of my videos in desperation for exposure for it...well...
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Carpenter once said that every time they ask him to make an halloween sequel he just gives the ok, doesn't give a shit and magically gains 100k dollars.
To be fair, he would’ve really disliked Peter Jackson’s trilogy as well. Don’t get me wrong. I love the original trilogy. I rewatch the extended versions at least once a year, but tolkein would’ve been very upset.
4 things they did to one of the most loved charachters from the book - the hobbits : 1. they made them appearing on the historic map of Middle-Earth way too early - in 2d age not in 3d age, which is lame, bc the Dark Forces will have long time to eradicate them. Their migration was actualy for the reason of hiding in another part of continent from the influences of dark forces in Anduin Valley. 2. they made them nomads though the hobbits were never nomads, only migrants, seeking a new safe place and they did it only once. One migration - from the south of Mirkwood forest (Legolas homeland) to north-west of continent in Eriador (Arnor kingdom). All 3 clans have migrated to the Shire, though not in one group, - Fallowhides, sort of braver, taller, elite of the hobbits - a bit similar to elves, fairhaired hunter-gatherers from the woods (Mirkwood), good archers, good musicians, most influenced by elves. - Harfoots, most agricultural clan, brown hair, stockier, shorter than Fallohides, and the most timid of the 3 clans, good craftsmen, mostly influenced by dwarves. - Stoors - mostly fishermen living around the tributaries of the Great River (Anduin) and more inclined to intrigue, secrecy, and falsehood, mostly influenced by Gondorians. 3. they made them cruel idiots. Nothing for Gandalf to be inspired by when he will watch them at their first meeting, when they would have helped him - a tall dangerous stranger - during a dire winter, when they themselves got so little to sustain. Galdalf was impressed by their care for each other, for their neighbours and for strangers, and by their bravery in protecting their land against packs of great wolves during this dire winter. Where is their legendary loyalty, and inclination for orderly farming, and for resourcefulness ? They got archers to protect the group and in the long road they need animals for food, tools and transport - if not horses (too big) - they need goats and sheep and dogs to travel and to get food. These idiots are unable to hunt, to protect themselves (dogs, knifes, stones, whatever!), to make goat chese at least ! the easiest protein food one can afford during long migration :) they can not eat only fruits - they would not have strenght to carry such big wagons, and how can they have those clothes without any agriculture, any tools, and any trade ? They have no tools and agriculture to produce textiles but they have books ? :D They need either leather or flax or papirus (or smt like that) to produce books. There is no trade bc they run from strangers :D there is no tool bc they are only eating fruits and slugs - they even dont have wood tools to make another tool :D How these ppl survived at all? :D 4. they made them dirty, as if they were wallowing in a leaf mold. In real prehistory these ppl would not be able to survive. These are Amazon twisted creatures - I refuse to see in them our beloved hobbits. :(
They bought the appendices just for the rights to some names. Beren and Luthien are mentioned in there, man! It is totally a fanfic. Then they had that "super fans" event, the ideia of a warrior Galadriel, then they used YTubers to push their ideas too... Terrible in all ways.
Yeah buying off RU-vidrs with free stuff was a low move, and shame on those who accepted the gifts, knowing it would be bad form to give an honest scathing opinion after having received freebies
Oh I warned those of my acquaintance and told em why. Since they entrusted my knowledge on Lotr, they didn't need a lot of convincing. I just told them to watch it if they wanted to waste time and would like the equivalent of a bad soap series
I think it's worth remembering that England still has a baller mythology in King Arthur, just not the Epic proto-pagan sort that Tolkein would've preferred.
I know from certain who individuals who have connections to the show that it was a knightmare behind the scenes. people were fired left and right, writers couldn't agree what story they wanted to tell, the show was originally about a young Aragorn, some wanted to adapt the Silmarillion but didn't have the adaption rights to the book, the Tolkien estate giving them a long list of things they could and couldn't do on the show such as referencing the movies (even though the showrunners wanted to connect ROP to the movies) writers being fired because they wanted to insert more woke elemets into the show and was met with disapproval, Tolkien selling out to Bezos on his tantalizing and money venture in making LOTR into the next Game of Thrones (which we all know how highly successful that was) a Tolkien scholar being fired, COVID19 impacting everything, the originally being 10 episodes but somewhere being changed to 8 instead, Jeff Bezos allegedly visiting the set and was furious on what he saw and demanded changes to be made in the middle of shooting. All in all, this show was produced with everyone's hands tied behind their backs, not really knowing what they wanted to do and the clock was ticking, and the best they could come up with was fan fiction.
Next season?? They can't possibly be making another season of that, they lost so much money on the first one. Holy crap they're gonna make another one.
It's hilarious, each season will do worse than the previous and the first one totally flopped (about a third of people who started it finished it). LMAO beautiful
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Personally, I actually had no problem with them breaking the Hobbit up into 3 parts, as it allowed them to cover the entire book in more depth and explore parts that were overall glanced over in the book (The Battle fo Five Armies, and Gandalf's quest with Dol Guldur). My personal issue was the overall execution of them. The first movie was overall great and ended exactly where it should have with the rescue by the Giant Eagles. The second movie was alright and ended where I believe it should have ended, with them arriving in Dale, but it felt like it could have been executed a whole lot better. I also think the love interest bit with the Elf and Kili had no business being in it. The third movie, while I liked the concept of covering the behind the scenes of the battle, since Tolkien kind of rushed through that part of his story to wrap everything up (as he was writing from the perspective of a knocked out Bilbo after all), it felt weirdly executed. Overall, the underlying story telling was fine, but it was the CGI, the change in directors, and the choppiness of everything that made the trilogy overall worse than it should have been.
If the UK hadn’t been conquered so much they wouldn’t have the genes too conquer the world Edward wouldn’t have gotten his chance too unify whiteout a big enemy they would’ve kept fighting amongst themselves
The Conan Stevens (S01 GoT Gregor Clegane) and the John Rawls interpretations of Azog the Defiler (the Pale Orc) were amazing. Manu Bennett's CG version was perfectly serviceable (no shame to Crixus/Deathstroke he can do what he's needed to on set) but a bit more obvious.
they probably didn´t. They just looked at (potentially fudged) numbers. They will only realize when Season 2 bombs. And than they will first try to name scapegoats.
Here's the thing. The rings of power show writers are thinking 8 steps ahead. So they make the rings of power, bomb, make a worse second season, bomb harder, then they dig up Tolkiens grave, hook a generator up to his corpse that's spinning at about mach 5 in his grave, infinite power baby.
You could list countless details and specificities regarding the poor quality of this series for a multitude of different reasons. At the end of the day....the fact of the matter is simple. They actively chose to subvert the ethos of this story because hollywood uses popular intellectual properties to smuggle propaganda into the culture. Talk about how bad the characters and the plot are all day...but understand why. There was not an honest attempt to do justice to the original story. This is an active attempt to use the popularity of the franchise to subvert the audience with messages that have nothing to do with the original work. They are actively not trying to make the best product in terms of consistency and entertainment. They are being paid to smuggle propagsnda into your minds with popular ips. Same exact dynamic with star wars. You must recognize there is no concerted effort on their part to make the right film or series. Theyre actively attempting to subvert it at every turn. They dress their propaganda up in your favorite shows and characters. They dont want to make a good product.
For any studio, an Aragorn back story would be a great show. Rugged ranger of the North, raised with the sons of Elrond. Find yourself a younger version of Viggo...the ladies would lap that up! Seems like a no-brainer to me!
The Hobbit imo should have been 2 films at most… Amazon could have taken a different route with TROP by concentrating on the little known regions of Middle Earth(maybe even involving the Blue Wizards)🤔
I heard that a friend of the Tolkien family went to oversee the production of the Rings of Power but left after seeing the changes to the lore and the script. If that's not a sign that the series will be bad, then i don't know what is.
I have to just say this- the music for rings of power is incredible- it is one of the only redeemable qualities of the series. Bear Mcreary is an incredible composer. I don’t care about the race swapping because the actors were really good and you could tell they were convicted in their roles. I enjoyed the look of everything as well, I think aesthetically they did a beautiful job.
The problem to me wasn’t how they strayed away from the books like different colored elves, women fighting, no hobbit or Gandalf name. IMO it was just incredibly boring. I didn’t feel invested in the story. Characters were boring and it felt like they were stretching it more than they needed to
I dont like the idea of "the hobbit" being such long movies, it seems to me it would be ok as 2 h movies. but I realy like the idea of 3 movies - divided as they did - only shorter. Esp with shorter battle scenes, and running scenes.
i find it confusing as to why there is a brown elf. I think the producers took the term "Dark Elf" way to literally. The reason why some elves are called dark elves is not because of their skin tone, it is because they never saw or felt the light of the two trees in Valinor. The Vala Orome lead the elves from Cuivenen to valinor but some stayed back in middle-earth.
7:16 I can only imagine what it feels like to be dressed up as something like that by a legendary director famous for their wonderous designs. We all know psychology proves that what you wear and look like effects your mentality…. So being in outfits like that MUST feel like your in a different world.
you know, RoP is like the structure of atom - a single proton at the centre of it (girlboss guyladriel) with some neutrons circling around it (dudes), and 99% of thoughtless void around :D
They shouldn't have been conquered so much sentence is the living proof that US education should be public,high level, and accessible for everyone is willing to study. England stopped being conquered after 1066. While my Country as many others in Europe, had to face many more conquests, they didn't. They've been a State for a 1,000 years.
Someone said that a lot of the streaming projects are just original stories that couldn't get green lit, so they added some recognizable franchise name to it. Without the "Lord of the Rings" name, would anyone care about this show at all?
You can tell Gary is used to sitting alone in a studio talking to a camera by how he looks into the lens more than he looks at his conversation partners
As is what happens when you're a misanthrope with no social skills. No wonder this guy bankrupted a comic book store and then went to prison for selling meth to children.
i haven't been able to bring myself to watch it, but i will say the music is fantastic. i want to think they would've done better if they had the full rights as long as the family had final say but then we'll never know.
It’s not just English mythology.. it’s a a lot Germanic mythology.. not saying German… I mean Germanic… including Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands and England (Anglo-Saxons being from Germany and Denmark) … so Tolkien used the Germanic mythology …especially names like the battle of the Hornburg.. which is helms deep in Peter Jackson’s movies.. or the word Riddermark ..Ridder meaning Reiter (horseman) and Ritter (knight) .. in medieval German.. someone on a horse was a knight…and the word Mark is a border territory.. you will find it even today… the Altmark..on the Elbe river being the old mark.. border to the Slavs in the east.. .. Steiermark being the border to Slavs in modern Austria …in English it was a march .. turning in margraviates .. with a margrave in power.. so you see.. it’s not just fantasy… it’s Germanic.. Anglo-Saxon history… Tolkien embraced that.. Peter Jackson respected it… and Amazon just spits on it.
