WAS IT TURTLE'S FAULT?? | Reacting to the game where Reginald flames Turtle | TSM vs CLG (LCS 2013) 

Easier to blame someone else than admit your own mistakes

Regi was inting

Fucking turtle getting caught after game is already lost, even tho I greifed by flashing into their turret 1v5

@@KanohiVahi its a big part of why i think league crushed starcraft 2 into the ground so hard the mechanics are easier you dont have to memorise every build and counter as well as micromanage a hundred units and most of all you can blame your team in 1v1s alls you had was complaining about the units they played but its just on you.

To be fair if you are in the middle of teamfights later on as karthus get instakilled, zone the backline with passive and then ult, then you did your job. Dont need to dodge malphite ult. That said he had that awful flash, and got caught in sidelanes a couple times, which were prob the biggest mistakes of the games.

Regi seems to have also walked back how much blame he was putting on turtle - regi is just beating his horse and keeps moving the goal posts 🙄

I mean Regi apperently couldn't even hit his q's with the help of his pain gate and exhaust slows

And then you imagine his shit eating grin in the car after all of that too

If he had a zhonyas and a wave so the others would get the tower, it wouldn't even have been so bad. But this is just insanity lmfao.

@@GoznerPeter nah, insanity's karthus was pretty good :P

Its the canadian blood preventing him from saying anything (a joke)

Regi PR team cut a check

link also looked like a very good TF

It's hard for anyone to talk shit to regi when he was literally the jackie moon of TSM. Player, coach, owner lmfao.

he was still protecting regi by being neutral about the drama.

Well I wouldn't place Xpecial who is defending Turtle in the same boat as Regi who is talking about Turtle as if he's not sitting literally inches away.

@@saintsataniko2116 that’s a good point

ull see alot of wierd shit among people with zero social skills

To be fair that’s what happens when your not a confrontation person. Though. I wouldn’t have a problem talking shit right back. Did it when I was in the army also when leadership when blantently disrespect me

@@NoradNoxtus Anyone that has watched League for a few years knows that. You literally have millionaire players who all but physically curl up in the fetal position when required to talk to anyone outside of their bubble. I think it's changing somewhat with more money (and media training) entering the scene and less honest interactions being seen on film. Everything is closely vetted and scrubbed to present only the vision the owners want fans (and most importantly advertisers to see).

Holy shit dude I saw your profile pic and thought I had made this comment even though I'm just now watching the video LMAO

don't forget having to watch out for the malph ulti that's never gonna be aimed at anybody else

@@AzureKite lmao! The glitch in the matrix

@@AzureKite lmao what is your pfp?

@@tacotimmer8288 kite from the .hack// game series, specifically the .hack//GU trilogy.

TSM never had a lead

@@lostn65 Regi had a huge cs lead

"-and threw his lead away." correction: threw their lead away.

Also, the enemy team ran past 2 or 3 people to get to Turtle. I don't know if Turtle necessarily mispositioned, but TSM didn't exactly peel for him either.

Yeah Ill be honest, I watched this game during the stream and since then, I definitely misremembered what happened. I thought turtle was doing something like solo split pushing way too far up on the bot lane without vision and that's why they lost the game during the 4v5 push (may have happened in a different game), but the fact that Regi is going to blame the end on turtle is infuriating. I feel so bad for turtle. At this point in time, I already thought Regi was washed in the mid lane and it clearly showed this game. He had a huge head start in lane and TF ported on CD and still had even cs, and then INTS midlane when they were trying to siege.

Rivalry in a race to the bottom?

@@andrewkelley9405 yup

For which team gets forced to sell their spot first?

@@drathmardarkstar7911 that would be hilarious if either had to sell

This is so BM but I laughed xDD

Seems cool but he still enjoys the game and wants to have a personal understanding of the current game to comment with experience on the upcoming season.

giving you a thumbs up because i also would rather watch this.

I second this

I also would love to see dom rewatch more old stuff

Yessss!

Glad bjerg left, they don’t deserve him

@@billyjoe8185 Same. Glad the greatest bjergking left them so they can rot

Does anyone else find it ironic that Turtle's career outlasted every single player in this game?

TSM never made it big because Regi was their mid for too long, all the other teams had good mid laners, it was always Regi performing crappy

Listening to this high pitched voice nerd talk for 28 minutes is beyond horrific.

I mean he got to right? In his mind he has never made a mistake ever. He didn't miss a single Q that game. Everyone just pathed wrong.

@@xashy4335 I feel like he would even call it "zoning" Q just to have a reason to not be blamed for all those missed Q even with the wall + exhaust being used XD dude inted real hard and blamed the person doing well in the whole team for not being able to carry his inting. Dude was literally getting ff by 3 people that got a gap closer and only a thresh to rely on.

That cho gath pathing tho. Blue, enemy blue, enemy red had me rolling 💀

Oh boy - you'd have a blast seeing the ridiculous 4-1-0 metas and all the crazy duo jungling, duo mids, weird toplane picks, and sneaky xp strats that continually evolved over like 1-2 years... The drafts were fucking crazy as well, with toplaners and midlaners swapping roles constantly, and pick/bans fundamentally changing how the entire first 15 minutes are played. There was even a thing where people deliberately picked Karthus in toplane and died under tower. Riot only managed to snuff out the craziness by fundamentally changing how towers worked. You'll understand a lot more about why towers have plates nowadays - and why there's so many weird ass tower mechanics going on with champion proximity, hidden armor based on time etc. It's all there, because of what riot learned back then. I believe it was season 4 and 5 where this was a thing. I really recommend going back and watching old LCS/OGN games in that era. The casting was also a lot better both in EU and NA.. It wasnt just constant yelling. Deficio was just starting to transition from pro to caster under joe millers wing - and in OGN you had the most enjoyable duo of Monte and DoA for a mix of light hearted humor and (for the time) good analysis. In OGN - you got to see the ancient gods of league - who are forever immortalized for being literally gods of the game in their time. Madlife and Mata. Faker, Ryu and Date. Insec and Kakao... And all of it in glorious 720p. Meanwhile over in EU you had XPeke, Ocelote, Alex Ich, Froggen and Bjergsen - all prodigies of their time playing each other in midlane. You'll also see your fair share of AP Master Yi Pentakills. There's a reason people look back at those days as the golden days of league. If you've seen the old gods of league back then, you can really appreciate their legacies. You'll recognize many a name floating around in the league sphere today - playing their hearts out back then.

I enjoyed the game more back then. This was 10x more fun.

You should try and find the MLG arena 2013 vods where azubu blaze introduces the western world to lane swaps

@@DP-sp9ym brother, watching fucking worlds back then only to see our favorite fucking toplaners be LITERALLY THE LITTLE JUNGLE CRITTER NOW for about 7 to 10 minutes until they FINALLY go to a lane and get level 6 at 15 minutes was soooo much pain 😂😂😂😂😂😂

When you're pissing off at work you need go do it behind your bosses back XD everytime regi died I bet he started looking for reasons to explain away how he could have been felled, maybe they would have had better strategies if he actually thought about the game :o

i would like to see him clone himself that often that he can play on every position + coaching +running the org etc etc so TSM might win next worlds °_____________________________________________________°

honestly cloning himself to play for the entire TSM roster and coaching staff included and enjoy the circus

@@Ye4gerz this is the reality I want to live in so they would've lost there lcs spot 8 years ago

@@riano3620 i will double that. Clone him so tsm get's removed from lcs after getting last place for 3 seasons in a row.

Regi: "Regi its your fault" Regi: "No Regi you dumb mf its your fault"

Additionally, the reason this pink ward doesn't see the Y bush stealth ward is the pink ward when placed in the arm doesn't have line of sight into to the ends of the other arms of the bush. the line between the centers of the wards leaves the bush, then re-enters the bush so the game interprets the ward as trying to see into the bush from outside. This is why you always placed your pink ward in the middle of the Y not in one of the arms, but obviously, people neglected that all the time, even in pro matches. As a support main carrying games by focusing on suffocating the enemy vision it was infuriating.

There was more gold in the game in those days since only 4 people were allowed to buy real items

@@Shreddasaurus remember when people didnt think support was useful? These were good times

@@fusionxtras depending on your elo people still think support is useless lol

@@SauceyCos especially in low elo where you can just brand or lux and just win the game solo

@@Shreddasaurus He killed OddOne and barely got caught afterwards. The result turned out bad but Doublelift's play at least had a potentially good outcome if he didn't get caught. You can't put it in the same bag as Reginald flashing into the enemy base 1v5, that just inted the whole game.

@@Shreddasaurus “his mistake didn’t have the potential to throw the whole game” what do you mean? Regi playing bad the whole time is what caused TSM to lose. Especially when he got caught in the enemy base, TSM had the momentum the entire time and that play is what threw it away. I mean it was the last time TSM stayed around the same gold as CLG, they have a free mid push, it is a 4v5 situation. Had regi not wasted his life, flash and ult there they couldve killed at least 1-2 people before Link TF ults or backs which would’ve given them either a chance to end or a way better position the rest of the game

@@Shreddasaurus Reginald's int literally did throw the entire game. Have you watched the video? TSM was easily sieging 5v5 at that point, I think Dom even pointed it out. They would just win the game right there if Reginald didn't int and if they went slowly for all the inhibs and then the base with supers. I don't even think this is a hot take, unfortunately.

@@Shreddasaurus They're wrong, it was a big int by doublelift, but it wasn't game losing either, they won the game lol.

and then we need a regi react to the doublelift react to the iwd react.. and then dom can react to it again..

That actually sums it up so well, ugh. I really really hate that kind of situation and the people/players that create them.

and i wouldn't even consider turtle dying in these fights a mistake either. every single death except for the level 1 death was tf porting into the backline and gold carding him. and as dom pointed out, turtle can't get a qss this game because he needs a botrk to deal with malphite so wtf is he supposed to do against gold card? regi and dyrus sure weren't doing enough damage to allow turtle to go with a qss. regi's final karthus ult did about a quarter of doublelift's health bar. he was actually useless that game.

Regi is a perfect reflection of Solo Queue in many ways. Like his team was literally the top 5 guys in SQ at all times. There was no understanding or security except that you're playing with the rest of the top guys on your team.

@Calkimchi A Regi today would be a 1000 games hardstuck plat player, just shows how bad people mechanically where back in the days, when an "Insec" was considered a god play while every Bronze Player can do it now, even without spell queues.

Link was insane

team lost? nah man regi said in the inting vid that they were 7k gold ahead and sure they could've gotten drag and farmed more CS but ezreal still got caught, this is literally him trying to dodge the fact that, when CLG was takign drag everyone was ready to contest but him, when mid inhib was open and there was a big wave crashing bot he decided to make the funniest call of contesting baron, and worst of all he called "let's group up mid and siege mid tower" then when their wave died he flashed in and tried to kill a 60% HP caitlyn and he also missed every fcking q so he was just actually fcking delusional cause they were 7k gold ahead and he blamed the game on turtle? when he inted and griefed the entire game and gave away the 7k gold lead they had LMAO

@@Mezha07 I'm wishing to see regi's reaction to his bronze iq plays He never was a good shotcaller. that's it, he had his moments maybe but it's far from being good and it's inconsistent

Not defending regi but they’re playing professionally, you think Tom Brady doesn’t lose it on his teammates just cause it’s the regular season? Passion is a good thing to have, Regi just almost always goes about expressing it the wrong way lol

@@Buzzii9 hes also totally wrong lol

@@Buzzii9 nfl regular season matters a lot more than league I’d compare it to nba regular season. And I can say for sure Lebron and kd don’t care about that shit

@@jasonlaw3293 No. The LCS regular season games are WAY more important than NBA games. They only played 28 games per split that season (11 more than NFL, 48 less than NBA), and this game was against a rival. You dont understand the level of competitiveness that league players had back then. EVERY game was important, it was your reputation on the line and every win or loss either gained or lost you fans/money.

@@Buzzii9 I think Regi was also like piss poor, so TSM's wealth was all he had

One additional tidbit would be Jayce being highly contested during this split, usually getting banned or first picked Could be flexed top mid

You missed the golden league times :

This is why I always toted Hai above Regi. Regi got everyone on the same page and ppl just did it. Hai would see what they were doing and make calls ahead of time to exploit it. Seems simple but no one was doing it at the time.

This is honestly the first old game I've watched. After seeing regi flash under tower into the enemy base like that I think it just goes to show how inept you can be as long as your team goes with you most of the time. I honestly believe Regi was in comms after that play like, "Uh guys I thought we were on the same page, 5 man flash for the game ending push at inhib turret. We just lost the game because you four didn't follow the call."

@@rham5817 even if that was the call it's not a good call

@@Crypted542 I never said it was lol. I was agreeing with the op that if people all just go in on the same call it does make a difference. But this call was obviously stupid. They could just siege the tower down and play it slow for better results.

@@rham5817 regi's flashing in on the inhib was the game losing play tbh i can't see how turtle was the reason why they lost

Not for Jayce

TF too. Damn I feel old

It's seems like Jayce was just as cringe back in season 3

@@theZCAllen idk man jayce has always been an interesting main stay ad carry top that has been better than the graves meta imo. shame since Dyrus retired only good ones come from LPL or LCK

Honestly when you said "Top Die" I thought you meant Impact lmao

almost entirely regi tbh. how are u ever that useless as a karthus who gets a free lane into tf and all of the enemy team's attention goes to topside? u have a frontline, u have free farm and still do nothing but int. actually so bad

Can someone explain "Top Die" to me?

@@oblivious7642 if i remember, its a meme that came from Impact, i dont remember the context

It's not even Turtles fault on the pick, its the reaction to it. If they just finish there backs its a 1 man pick that just stalls the board back to even, maybe they get baron off it. Regi played like total shit that game, the lvl 3 tower dive where he turns on e to run out of mana for the final q and has to base with his dick in his hands is an infinitely worse play, andt then that hard int when they had free inhib into baron seige and he throws it means he really needed to look in the mirror on that one, Turtle outplayed Doublelift and kept them in that game.

And Link was put behind 2 waves of cs before the lane even started

I think dyrus getting perma camped and not building/playing accordingly would be a bigger reason than Turtle as well. I'd say 40% Regi, 40% Dyrus, 10% Turtle

@@Kjrulz101 i'd put 70 on regi there's so many times that regi looked like a fcking silver player that even a platinum player would laugh at him at the sight of that pathetic inhib flash in

@@Crypted542 back in the day pro players are equivalent to like the current silver/gold/plat

@@malikondeckz Now imagine bronze back then.

Qss was the only answer possible and it's arguable whether Turtle should grab it just because he needed the extra damage from bork to have any hope of getting through the enemy malphite (especially when their ap mid laner missed all of his Qs and got hit by every malphite ulti lol)

the best you could ever do in that instance is go for a kill trade, but only current ez could do that. old ez didnt have enough damage with useless w.

He could've kited towards thresh to be in range for lantern but I'm not sure if he'll even make it. Seems like he was 1 gold card from death anyway.

@@fathertime7864 bruh you can't kite a oneshot. He even if he takes latern he still dies mid flight. He would need to flash e immediately to get out of range in time.

If only he got called an ape only because of the way he looks lol... in hindsight he acts like an ape too. The alpha chimp has decreed... they lost the fight cuz Turtle got caught. HOO HOO HOO HOO

I watched that series live, ended up on stream for a few seconds when they showed the crowd gather in front of the stage. That was an incredible weekend :)

Mentally he hasn't grown since this clip.