Was Jager Nerfed Too Much? 

I should title more of my videos like this, so many comments off the bat from Jager mains lmao Let it be known, I do slightly agree that he has been nerfed a lot, but it is necessary cause he's so good. Don't agree? Argue with me on Twitch: twitch.tv/varsitygaming

Ubisoft only takes his presence into account but the fact of the matter is he's a necessity, like his pick rate that will never change.

It's not irritating that Jager got nerfed, as much as he got nerfed and made progressively unfun patch after patch, but his necessity never changed. I think if something like a secondary ADS gadget was added, you could see some of the burden by not bringing a Jager lifted, and have his pick rate settle to where Ubisoft would like him.

to be honest, i still main jäger even after all the nerfs and i still think he’s a very decent operator . obviously not what he used to be but he’s still amongst the strongest defenders ( i find )

Ubisoft didn't understand at all his impact of why Ranked or the meta needed him. His speed and gun recoil/mag-size was irrelevant... but Ubi's infinite brilliance can't see why he's necessary in a lot of team comps, since he's built to negate and destroy attacker throwables. The only person to do that. While Wamai just catches it and redirects it, but the throwable is not negated and destroyed.

Jager will always have a high pick rate and the devs really went through a faze where they simply didn't understand that lol

i still think jager is useful. his gun is still mediocre despite the nerfs to ammo capacity. unlike wamai, his gadget isnt rendered useless after 1 use, since it recharges. jager has played an integral role in the game. his impact may not be as big as it is now because of all the power creep/shift in meta, but, he wont become useless yet

It’s funny cuz it’s like a tier one operator just happen to forget to bring fully loaded magazines. Then says instead of lowering my mag count I’ll have my 6 mags instead of filling them up and leaving his mag pouch a lil empty 🤣🤣

At least give him a full 30 round mag again

I see a lot of people saying the recoil of the 416-C is hard and I don't play Jäger a lot, but the times I have used him I have had zero problems with controlling his recoil. The only gun that I find hard to control is Zofia's M762.

The increased recoil was the only thing that legitimately jarred me.

They only nerfed him so much because of play time, its ironic because after the carbine nerf he got, actually stat wise was doing less in KD ratio than other defenders but pick rate was still the highest. Ubisoft couldnt acknowledge the fact they created this mess when they kept introducing operators with gadgets and consumables that REQUIRED Jager in almost all situations. Still to this day, all ubisoft had to do was adjust what consumables operators got depending on the gadgets they had, capitao still getting flash on top of 2 smoke/fire bolts, Ying getting candela's and smoke, gridlock getting spikes and smoke. the list goes on. this is why Jager became a must pick. Ubisoft should have made consumables a "pool" so not every OP could bring full smoke, flash or nades because the pool to pick from would have been smaller. this easily could have curbed Jagers pick rate knowing you wouldnt need him for EVERY situation, he still would have needed a general gadget cooldown nerf to compensate for less consumables during the match but as more ops come in, this will never change. he will still be the highest picked operator or close to it for his utility till ubisoft outright fix the consumable problem of potentially 15 flash or 10 smoke or 8 nades (i think) all while excluding the operator's gadgets.

If Ubi wants to reduce his presence they should reduce how integral he is to every ranked stack

I like the idea of potentially swapping the guns but not to castle but rather Warden for his mpx

Here is my take, Jager has remained so high in pick rate cause Frag Grenades are so strong and have been getting more prevalent as the game has gone on. and in all reality I don't want them nerfed into the ground but to at least give more counter play like make it so that the minimum fuse time is 1.5 seconds so that there is some time to react and then you can have more freedom to change Jagers gadget to be less effective against projectiles(maybe remove there ability to stack) and then you could buff/change other aspects like his gun or his speed.

That take at the end kind of fits since the SWAT if I remember correctly uses the HK416 (full name of Jäger’s Carbine) and it might be a minir stretch but I also think that the GSG9 use UMP so it makes perfect sense Varsity

I think Jäger is still an good operator, but I don’t have that much fun anymore with him, same issue with Ash and Zofia. And if you play on console (so do I) this recoil nerfs are so annoying.

But imagine, it would be cool, if Castle had pre-nerf 416-C.

Ubisoft should increase HK-416C damage because its recoil is too high and also the ammo are only 26/25

Varsity: "The solution is to give Castle's UMP to Jager and the 416 to Castle." Me: He's way out of line....but he's right. It always did baffle me why Jager had such a strong gun for such a strong gadget. A simple gun swap could have fixed the issue as you said and the gun never would have needed a nerf

I say If they give jager the ump he needs the 1.5x on it

yes, all they needed to do was buff wamai and reduce jagers ability to the 2 shots then the pick rate would have balanced, tell the devs to focus on ability rather than kit when it comes to balancing the pick/win delta

If you get an ace one must drink a Jagermeister shot.

17:10 To be faire I agree on this for once. Changing the gun would be a way better solution than just nerfing it into oblivion. And Castels UMP woulden even be a bad option.

Muzzle break on 416 is the move since the recoil change

I think that if they buff wamai's gadget he could be a fine replacement for Jager, the only issue i have is that he doesn't neutralize the nade just rewinds the cook time, if he put it on standby so that it could be manually set off by a defender, then it would be WAY better, what do you think?

That Vigil is literally the very definition of a dog water roamer. Nowhere near site whole round then slow walks/crouch walks back to site when the defuser is already planted

Ubisoft just needs to realize that there will be operators that are just good safe picks ie Jäger and Buck (or Sledge) there will be good operators while nerfing the ones that are too good like lion when he first came out but don’t constantly nerf anyone who’s just a good pick because they are a good pick however Ubi most of the time decides to nerf until no one really plays that operate

R6Tracker hasn’t updated operators statistics in like 6 months…

The thing with jager is that ubi at that time had no idea (idk how) why jager had that 90% pickrate. They just thought "Oh cause of 3 speed defender with good gun so we nerf him right?" The issue at that time was his overpowered ads gadget which resulted jager getting fucked starting from his speed and gun which later the devs find out and nerfs his gadget to fix the meta. resulting him in a really bad position with weird shitty recoil gun (controllable but not as consistent as it used to be) and ads which works ok

Came back to siege after about 2 years and the only difference was 1 new map a few operators and a whole lot of nerfs

I pick Jager because sounds on 416-C are just so sexy ✋👌

Castle with the 4-16 would be very powerful, and I'm ok with that because I fucking love playing Castle

Someday Ubisoft will understand that you can not only nerf operators, but buff useless ones. This day Siege will be saved. Jaeger gun is irrelevant. He is picked because of his utility. Might as well remove his guns altogether.

You wanna know what's crazy the fact he said ow like he felt smoke shoot him its crazy how much we get involved into a game like siege

Lol I used to be a Hibana-Jäger main back in the good old days.

15:47 that was Shawk btw

Jager mains are determined. I never saw this level of dedication for Blackbeard.

I still play a lot with Jager, and the nerfs upset me a little, the changes were needed though. great vid varsity.

I agree, he is nerfed. I mained him for 4 yrs and I'm sad they nerfed him to the ground.

I love his memeing with his charm. Varsity gets a like anytime he mentions his charm and makes me laugh.

All I'm going to say if they do make the switch you said at the end jager better get the 1.5 on the ump

Jaeger in r6 is like wraith in apex, on release the were op now not so much but it's became part of the culture of the game

0:14-0:21 Black beard mains: First time?

I think Ubisoft should buff alternatives instead of nerfing jager, this might be extreme but it could be giving aruni mp5 or slightly buffing Wamai’s gadget (maybe make it destroy utility like jäger)

Blackbeard : welcome to the party

Would love to see him switch weapons with Castle 😆

I was goin crazy with him today ngl I didn’t even know there was a nerf

Forget Jager’s nerfs, what about Blackbeard? He gets nerfed like every update

its actually insane how good his game sense is

Ubi really needs to find a way of nerfing ops that doesn't consist of making their guns unusable

As a Castle main I support the gun swap idea.

I think the discussion is tricky on one hand he was broken for a time but on the other hes just viable in every game with how many throwsble and shootable gadgets there are for attackers with more added every so often. I think for a while he needed nerfs but he became a very well rounded balanced operator but due to his versatility his pick rate stayed high and ubi constantly balances off pick rate its gotten to the point where i think some of his nerfs are more petty and unjust then actually beneficial to the games health like his ammo nerf. Keep in mind i hardly play jager i dont care to play him myself this is from an unbiased source about jager. As long as his gadget does what it does I don't think there will every be a reason to not consider picking him but constant nerfs create an unhealthy opinion for the devs too

I play Jäger, because I dont want to get grenaded. Unfortunately Ubisoft gave Grenades to the two most used attackers

It's the change of his gun for me

For me "The vertical kick" is impacting the most , almost a year i dont play r6 and its suprise me how ubisoft destroy 416-C so much , i just want to punch my monitor when i keep miss the shoot cuz the vertical kick ...

He is nowhere near useless, and his gun isn't bad. Recoil is hard sure, but if you learn it it doesn't change. 2 speed change also isn't a huge drop down. Ammo count reduce is fatal as no matter how much skill you have, it's bad, but the gun is still really fucking good in the right hands, and his ability is op for a large variety of reasons, such as to save defense utility like deployable shield or bp cams or maestro cams, etc. And another reason is just in general to counter nade meta. Jager is a must have in most situations

Jager needs his 30 mag back

Honestly jager’s gun is what makes him so busted, but i feel like they nerfed his gadget just because he’s jager.

If they swapped weapons but Castle gets pre-recoil nerf 416-C then absolutely I think that’s fair. Otherwise let Castle keep his UMP with 1.5x

Jager is not an operator he is an unstoppable force

Jager's three speed is clearly the problem, well no actually it's his gun it does too much damage, no actually it's the recoil being too low, no no actually it's the amount of bullets in the mag, no actually it's that the gadget is set and forget and has two charges. When are we going to be honest with ourselves, Ubi ? The problem is the meta is so goddamn dependent on grenades that no matter what you do to Jager he is still going to be picked and picked quite a lot. You have to know it, I mean why else do you rotate frags off of a high pick op and put them on low pick ops as a way to improve their pick rate ?

I believe we just need a hole new game at this point

I think Jager being picked all the time is just that he has the most reliable anti-projectile gadget. Compared to his peers, Aruni and Wamai, neither are as reliable. Aruni gates have a cooldown period after each use and need to be manually reactivated. Wamai doesn't have all his disks at round start so he has to play anchor to fully maximize his gadget. Jager gets access to all 3 ADS's at round start so he can just drop em for his team, then go do whatever.

The most overnerfed operator is Melusi. She was fun when she released but then Ubisoft took away her gun and made her gadget useless.

I like that weapon switch idea 💡

Since when has that door been behind Clubhouse bar?! I had a long break from Siege but been playing a lot these past couple weeks and I have not noticed that door. Holy shit.

Can't Control Jäger recoil anymore

They could give him the UMP or the M12 and he'll still be a useful operator just because of the nature of how throwables (and wasting them) can change the entire tide of a round.

Black Beard mains: First time?

Operator stats haven’t updated in years

As an average console player I wish they'd revert the recoil nerf. It put me off playing him for good. I feel his gun should have 30+1 again with the lower recoil (so his ASSAULT RIFLE can actually take on long range engagements) and only give him 2 ADS.

Straight nerfing him into the ground

As a castle main this seems good. I wasn't around for the days of him being a God have only been around for 2 years in the game, but I t think I have enough knowledge to Safley agree with most of the points in the video.

remove an ADS and revert the recoil and magazine changes simple fix imo

Yo honestly could u imagine a year where they switch every op gun and speed

People really think jaegers recoil is uncontrollable?? That blows my mind

I used to main castle…give him an elite skin and the 416 and I’m going back

Feel like no 1 play him anymore

I use compensator on Jäger now, works like a charm

Jagers gun and speed should be reverted. Its assinine they kept nerfing his fragging when his unmatched utility was the issue.

U gotta thank rook after that

his gun is really bad rn but jager is still one of the best def ops, his gadget is way too good

Jager is kinda like the spitfire in apex no matter what you do to it people will always still use it.

"I literally had 1 hp" And you can thank Papa Rook for your life.

Castle really doesn't deserve having the worst kit in the game

I hated the gun nerfs. stopped using him

Bring back the ACOG

I play on console and I find it very difficult to control the recoil on Jäger's rifle. It's not impossible, just hard for me.

jager and ash were nerfed to lower pick rate..

I say buff all the worse ops and give Jäger his 3 speed or bullets back, and give Jäger kali scope on the shotty

The problem is that they just kept nerfing him because of a tiny part of the community who could deal with the nerfs but didn’t think of the rest of us like for a decent number of people on consoles his gun is really hard to control

Love the ump😍and the idea

I would agree if he wasn't just so useful despite the nerfs

Thunderbird is a three-speed operator, equipped with rifle + Japanese hand charge + C4? Isn't she stronger? Compared to Jaeger, she is too strong? GLAZ's playing probability and skills are unwilling to make any compromises and changes so far, and now Ubisoft's team is really suck

I enjoy his gun so honestly if his gun ever gets changed there’s enough people I end up playing with that use him too so I’ll drop him for good. I’ve been roaming and flanking a lot lately so I’d just stay with Vigil or something on defense

Love how pre-recoil and after recoils didn't change much except for the pick rate. This goes to show that on average the players still using Jager are just doing a bit worse than all the average of all the players who use to play Jager a lot or actually possibly doing better based on the rules of taking averages. For an easy example, say 8 players played Jager pre-nerf and 3 of them pulled a positive K/D and 5 pulled a negative K/D the average K/D is overall more negative but say post nerf only 6 players played Jager and 4 of them pulled a negative K/D the overall K/D would be more negative than pre-nerf. Since there are less players using him now the overall average K/D will change more per person who uses that character. It's a learning curve now to use his weapon but it also forced more diversity into the game. PS: Someone can probably plug some realistic K/Ds and see that this would be true.

I've been a jäger main since year 1 to this day

At this point Jager needs a 1.5 bc his ar is bad compared to other defender weapons

I still think that Jager is a very solid op despite all the nerfs. I still prefer the Aug on wamai but play jager more.