Was Jamaine Ortiz Robbed in Teofimo Lopez Fight? Teddy Atlas Analysis 

That running style is the reason why boxing losing fans.. judges need to change the scoring to increase engagement.

Ortiz gave me hope in becoming a boxer I already bought my running shoes and started training

Oritz was boring?=Yes Ortiz won this fight by points?=Yes Does Lopez know how to cut the ring to a southpaw?= Nope Did he win because he came with a deadpool costume and move more money?= Yes

I don't think Ortiz was robbed, but Teo definitely didn't win. A draw made the most sense for me. Teo looked absolutely lost in there though.

Who missed a whole bunch of punches???Should have been a draw the least.

Its amazing to me that its the same guy who fought beautifully vs Loma to what he is now, Teo needs help, he needs a real trainer who isn't gonna let him do what he wants but rather do what they teach, no discipline

Start with a US-wide boxing commission, and take it from there ...

117-111 wasn't watching the fight.

a strategy involves combat. Ortiz just survived for 12 rounds and said he controlled the fight for hopscotching all night. Make that ring 16ft and cutting the ring off becomes possible.

I also felt like Ortiz deserved to win by virtue of implementing a plan. Teo was puzzled for the first 5-6 rounds and trying to lunge in with his hands down out of frustration. It wasn’t the prettiest performance by Ortiz, or the most punishing, but it technically was working. It’s just funny bc if Teo was the one that fought that way they still would’ve given him the victory and he might have even been praised for the performance.

Who was the commentator that kept saying the judge was a good judge? Suspicious af

They need to use punch stats as another metric with the ring side judging. The people inputing punch stats seem to get it right way more then judges.

I saw the fight 3x now. The more I see it the more rounds I give to Teo. Ortiz was boxing 50% of the time rest of the time was surviving. You cannot win a fight by surviving.

This is not the first Vegas fight that has drawn such controversy and it won't be the last and that is because Vegas awards points for aggression. This is to ensure that punters get what they pay for instead of watching one guy running all night.

Here's a problem. Are you guys do is talk about the big fights when controversy happens? Unless you say something about the small fights? Nobody cares. Start from the bottom work your way up not from the top and hope it trickles down. My son fought on that card. Didn't even get a chance to show anything. Got dropped one time was getting up at 2 and the referee stopped it and said the corner threw in the towel. We never threw in the towel but the right guy got the knock down so no one cared

Teo is the new Rolly

Should have been a split dicision. if ray lennard won hagler using the same techniques then one of the score cards was rigged.

Ortiz won 7 rounds minimum. To win a fight you simply have to win more rounds. Entertainment is secondary.

Mental or not , teo and his pops would definitely are the type to kick you if you are down . Or trash talk you or try to put you out of business for their own benefit . They said they wanted Ortiz out of boxing , don’t promote Ortiz . Give Ortiz his prop Ms and his credit

Since people love what ortiz did and think its “great”boxing.. lets put ortiz vs sandor martin and i wanna see all the people that think these two won against teo to pay for the ppv of martin and ortiz since its “beautiful”boxing.

I just look at it as one of those fights where neither man won Ortiz was constantly on his bike and landed nothing significant Teo doesn’t know how to cut the ring on a southpaw and also landed nothing significant just a bad showing from both men however I also thought Ortiz did enough to win

Teddy still mad TEO !! Beat loma 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣till this day

No robbery as far as i could see! It definitely wasn’t unanimous but there's no way Ortiz won, at the very least a draw. Ortiz didn't do enough

I stand with teddy. Even in the amateurs I went through a lot of injustice.do to a lot of favoritism for other fighter’s and it suck’s.in professional boxing 🥊 it’s getting worse.

Difference between Trinidad and Teo is that Trinidad actually did some work when ODH stopped fighting. Even in the close exchanges Teo didn't dominate.

Sorry that strategy needs to include or at least attempt to be offensive.

Ortiz is a special talent. First 12 rounder he ran Lomo very very close then in this fight he stays leftie all 12 rounds

I watched that fight rooting for Teo, because I feel like people discredit him just because they don’t like him personally, but I’m always willing to be objective in what I see. Ortiz should have gotten the decision. MAYBE you could convince me that it could’ve been a draw. There’s NO WAY that Teo should have gotten a UNANIMOUS DECISION. The guy who gave it a 117 to 111 decision for Lopez should have his credentials permanently revoked in all 50 states. I hate this for boxing. Too many of these judges are either too incompetent or corrupt, to be in the position there in.

I completely disagree with TEddy. Ortiz wasn't boxing, he was running. He was NOT landing any serious punches on Lopez. He only landed 80 punches all night! But neither did Lopez have a good strategy. He didn't cut off the ring, seemed like he had never been trained to cut off the ring. I scored the fight 0-0. Neither deserved the win.

He did such a poor job of ring cutting and pin pointing Ortiz. Ortiz was the more deserving winner and I’m so tired of seeing fighters complain and get frustrated just because the opponent isn’t doing what they’d like them to do. ITS YOUR JOB TO STOP THEM

Yeah he got robbed. He didn’t do a lot himself but the score cards were insane. A unanimous decision for teo?!!! Ortiz was countering teo all night. If teo won a split i woulda still made a debate for ortiz to win but the unanimous decision with score being 117-111 is actually blasphemy

I had it 116-112 Teo. Ortiz did not win that fight. When there is no offense, you got to give it to the guy who appears to be more aggressive and pressing the fight.

Leonard used basically the same tactics vs Hagler but Ortiz isn’t the golden boy

Why it's always have to be mental health? These are grown men, always some sensitive ish! An it's crazy how someone have to act a certain way just to fight. Everything is bs and Hollywood these days

Anybody who truly believes that the result of the fight is even questionable let alone controversial, genuinely has a badly distorted sense of visual perception. Teofimo Lopez won the fight. Jamaine Ortiz ran for nearly the whole fight & I can’t understand how anybody who understands boxing can possibly think that he won.

Ortiz showed his boxing skills. Not as a brawler but as a technical boxer. I’ll take it although I would prefer a knockout. Ortiz won in my opinion.

You don’t get points for making your opponent miss, Lopez won more rounds he had more punches connect,the fight was close so give it to the aggressor.

Seems like Lopez Sr is destroying his son’s career..

I respect the hell out of Teddy Atlas. However, I agree with Ken on this one. I watched the fight back and scored it round by round not caring what round it was. I added up the points and Teo won by 1 round on my card. I am not a boxer but this reminds me of how Derrick Gainer fought Juan Manuel Marquez. Anyone please watch that fight. Running or not I still had Teo winning. I share Antonio Tarver's opinion. Disagree with me but I have an opinion. Opinions are a55holes and I'm an a55hole. Good day to you all.

That fight was bad for boxing…. Ortiz won that fight. It doesn’t fucking matter if it looks sexy or not. Teo not being able to cut off a ring is his problem. Sean porter new how to trap people who were running….

I'd say Teo barely barely won, though really as a champ it was his fight to lose so to speak. Sure Jermaine had a great plan but it was a stinker of one. I guess I'm with the old-school look of to be the champ you gotta beat the champ, which was not the case. On the biggest fight of his life Jermaine forgot that boxing aside you need to put on a show (it is a business at the end of the day), I'm not sure many people will want to pay to watch him in the future... though I could be wrong. Overall, Jermaine landed 2 more punches overall but Teo was more accurate overall, landed more power shots and seemingly was the one who did more damage and 'pressed' the action. It really was a rough fight to watch, for all he accomplished Teo seems incapable of cutting off the ring which is ridiculous.

He wasn’t running, Ken. He just wasn’t standing still and giving Lopez what he wanted. He was trying to act slick and kept getting caught when he’d go into the corner

If the world were that way it might work, Teddy, love your heart, however.

Teddy your wrong Ortiz lost and the reference to Oscar was PERFECT!!. I like Ortiz but he wont be the A side fighting that style. Tim Bradley is a young Larry Merchant and boxing is what Money May, Sweat pea and Sugar Ray Leonard did to PERFECTION!!. They made people pay with clean shots. Slapping people pitty patting and running around the boxing ring. Is not what fans pay for to see. Devin Haney boxes beautifully with no one punch knock out power but clinches alot smart move but he is not a boring fighter. Shakur last fight and Ortiz recent fight is why people watch UFC instead Abel Sanchez who is an AWESOME trainer switched off the Ortiz vs Lopez fight to watch re runs of 2 and a half men. Antonio Tarver (a great one) said Ortiz lost with that Finnessing style.Which, in my opinion is basicaly gym sparring on national Tv!! Not the boxing clinic Crawford put on Errol Spence.. Thats boxing and you know that Teddy. I expected more from you. Your co host explained it better with facts

if he came in with the perfect plan, why didn't Ortiz outland Teofimo by a lot? i mean, he landed 2 JABS more and thats it. Lomachenko out landed devin by almost 20 punches still didn't get the win, i thought you had to take it from the champion Blablabla

You get what you reward. If you want boring fights then reward Ortiz's strategy. Ortiz was never effective. Lopez landed the most effective punches and dictated the pace of the fight. There's nothing wrong with boxing and moving but it has to be effective - otherwise it becomes amateur point fighting and I won't watch that.

Ken should stick to MMA. Ortiz did not run! It's called the sweet science when done right. And Ortiz put on an exhibition. It was not a close fight, it was a clear blowout. Ortiz frustrated the guy and made him miss all night long. Rounds were close but decisively won by Ortiz! If you dont know what you saw that night, you should be a fan of something else. MMA is great for you.

Teo deserve the win … Ortiz run too much. Like chicken we don’t want to see this type of fighter…..

When will people realize Weisfeld is a horrible judge? I still cannot forgive him for costing Granados the fight agaisnt Broner back in 2017. There needs to be. national committee reviewing these judges. And these "traveling judges" are a joke.

If you “hate” any particular style, you can’t possibly be a fair arbiter or even observer (let alone a true fan) of the sport. By admitting that you “hate that style” you are effectively admitting to hating a group of boxers and therefore will automatically introduce bias in both your judging and commentary. Let’s not even talk about reffing. Boxing needs better than ppl like this. What’s more, and even more disturbing is that some styles are particular to some ethnic/racial groups - Mexican fighters are known to fight closer inside the pocket while AA fighters are known to fight from the outside, use more lateral movement and box more. The problem with these so-called analysts and experts is they fail to understand that there’s more than one way to win a fight and simply bc you dislike a style doesn’t mean that said style can’t win a boxing match. Do better. And this is coming from a Boxing Ref.

Kriegel is going to support Weisfeld no matter what. Read between the lines.

thought Ortiz won the fight was boring to watch wouldn't say what Ortiz did was running, boring/strategic but not running Teo had no idea what to do couldn't cut off the ring n couldn't land shit

I disagree. This is such an odd take from someone... ahh, who cares. If he was running, then the ref would've called for aggression. He didn't, so I think that argument isn't valid. He boxed all fight, and deserves credit for it, especially in the moments when he was invited in, or held the pocket WITH and LONGER than Teo.

I don't need to watch this to know that Ortiz won the fight. Lopez lost against Loma too. But, in boxing if you want to win guaranteed, you gotta knock 'em out.

Maybe Ortiz should put on headgear...

Teddy you support that fighting style calling boxing because strategy that makes boxing look real bad. Ortiz loss that opportunity, Teo won! Ortiz could have done more to win the belts and did not box but ran like a chicken. Finessing is bad for the sport.

i enjoyed the fight Ortiz boxed his head off Lopez is limited he couldnt adjust.

Teofimo was the one holding the titles. If you fight for a title it is your job to destroy your opponent and TAKE his title. Not run away all fight... Ortiz fight style that night is not good for boxing...

Teddy your wrong. The guy ran fpr 12 rounds. Delahoya at least fought. for 9. The guy really just ran. Teo won that fight.

You sounding Cus, Investigating the boxing commission.

Ni forest gump corrio tanto como corrio ortiz😂

A bad desicion one do not engage and one is one dimetional fighter who cant cut off the ring...draw

No, he was not robbed

Teo lost that fight! Or at least he should have!

Robbed lol, ortiz ran all night. Its a clear teofimo win, hes just an idiot so people dont like tp give him credit

And still !!!! Y’all mad awwwww

Remember, two of the three judges in this fight were involved in trying to rob Bivol in the Canelo fight. I really don’t need to say any more than that.

Ortiz vs Shakur I would like to see who would out run the other cuz believe me it wouldn't b a boxing match hahahaa

These the same people who praise Willy Pep for winning a round without throwing a punch. Seems like they only like the style when it’s done by someone that looks like them

Draw

I didn't watch the fight but Lopez hasn't impressed me for a long time now

Teo purposely headbutt Ortiz, then people complain he ran at the end. Ya you get cut like that and see what you do. But NO ONE is saying what Teo did, because he didnt do anything lol.

You talk like the outcomes aren't rigged. Winners are predetermined. No concussion protocol?

🤡 all coward fear subriel matias real champ bb chiken puertorican terminator

Scoring boxing matches is a subjective art. People who run should be penalized by the judges...

I agree with Teddy, I thought Teo lost. It wasn’t the type of fight I like to see. Ortiz should have engaged more. The promoters gave way too much power and influence. They are running to sport.

I hate when they play deffense? Go watch world star.

This podcast is so one-sided Teddy carries this podcast. He is the only reason I watch...

Lara vs Canelo all over again.