1.Mike bullied relentlessly as a child 2.No father no guidance no Idol 3.Mother was a sex worker when he was a child left to fend for himself 4.Was Adopted by Cus his only father who died when he was 19. 5.Fell into Don kings clutches stole majority of his money 6.Was cheated on by his wife and love Robin Givens who also robbed alot of his money. 7. Got sent to prison for years for rape that most people believe people he didnt do and was wrongly convicted of Daughter died Came out of a major drug addiction. You say this mans not a fighter go and have a long walk man.
Teddy was there for every minute of it, you weren't - stfu Teddy knows what the fuck he's talking about. Mike quit against everyone that wasn't a tomato can.
Well a couple points: - if we are being factual wasn't he absent from Tyson's side once Cus died (19)? - then you have to believe that people don't change from when they were 19 That train of logic seems weak to me. Now for the idea that Tyson is 0-5 because they were the fights that Mike was tested. That seems odd because yes Tyson flattened every other person but that discounts those boxers. If the comeback is the only thing that matters
Your right 100 percent ,Tyson done well to make it to an adult.He had a horrific child hood.Kids were sodamised in the detention centre.Tyson learned to fight as a way to survive.Atlas is bitter and jealous Tyson a better man now than Atlas.Atlas had Tyson's upbringing he be in a psych hospital
I lost my daughter a few years ago, and it was the hardest thing I ever went through. A day doesn't go by that I don't morn her death. Mike Tyson also lost a daughter, and he has carried himself with strength and dignity. The man can't even talk about his little girl without weeping. In my opinion, Iron Mike has the heart of a lion.❤
Tyson is the Goat I think teddy has a point most of Tyson challengers who fought back they went all 12 rounds or either they beat Tyson if they feared Tyson He killed them if that thought they could beat Tyson they did
He's telling thay tyson never met someone who had the same or more talented or gifted then him like other boxers fought lewis fought evander ali fought fazer nd foreman even roy jones fought that british south paw who outboxed him
I like Teddy’s logic, but I have to disagree. OUTSIDE the ring Mike has been tested over and over and is still walking tall. The adversity Mike has faced throughout his life would crush 99.99% of men
So Mike grew up on the streets running from the mafia without a father, an unsupportive mother, was taken advantage of for him money by those closest to him, had a child pass away, and countless other things.... but he never had to dig deep? Give respect where it is due.
Point is even with 50 - 5 saying all 50 were no fights is disrespectful for all opponents as well. Tyson won so none of them challenged him. No one was able to make it a fight... Yeah sure. It is a fight when you loose and if you win an athletic showcase. Bullshit
Teddy is a hater and Mike was a product of his environment and he was fucked up. But he is celebrated today and his one man show on Broadway was good therapy for him. Teddy every one loses a fight it builds character.
Hiding behind walls when he was a kid made him want to strive to reverse that. Holyfield and those other guys made him hide behind those same walls in his mind. His character was already set in stone.
Mike Tyson lost a child and still stands today as a man with integrity and peace in his heart. Don’t tell me he couldn’t overcome resistance or “fights.” The toughness it takes to grieve your own child is worse than every hard boxing match combined.
Different thing Altogether !!!!! My bset mate lost his daughter at 3 years old and he and his wife were devastated! Almost destroyed his marriage but was able to ACCEPT it and mourn and continue his life and marriage! My best wouldnt get in a fight unless he wa 50pounds heavier than the guy hahaha i boxed for a 15 years and my best mte would junp in ring with me to have alugh and i would bang him with body shot and my mate would roll around on the canvas and then say "thats it ive had enough" hahaha He is not a fight er my mate its not in him when he is hurt and loss and realises he cant win ! Tyson was strong when he was sure he was the superior fighter that say ! When he questioned this he lost it all ! Teddy is !00% on the ball
Teddy's assessment is thoughtful and straight forward...but an old Indian saying comes to mind, "Never judge a man unless you've walked a mile in his moccasins".
This is one of the many reasons that I will continue to watch JRE! Not only is Joe, a well educated man, among many different aspects, but he also shows why he got into this in the first place, with interviews like this! His capability to just sit back and listen and learn, is truly admiring!! I know more than a handful of people that would have interrupted on many occasions while Teddy was talking, Joe has the upmost respect to soak it in like a sponge! Bravo, Joe!
What's insane. Hunger fist fights with high school kids. For 💰. They get beat these tough sons, go home & dad says" what happened to you" some young kid named Tyson. Dad " were does he live. Everywhere I guess homeless. Dad finds him, Does the wrong thing. Now Mike is 12, KICKED the crap out of this Boy's father! " true story from the mouth of the KO ARTIST" LOVE U MIKE. IM 😞 I did not get a chance to meet him. Walking Down main st Nantucket, MA 1981 my Brothers saw him photos taken. This is when Mike was very happy, from digging in Trash cans, fighting like a 🐕, to walking through Some of the most exclusive Realestate on the East Cost! " BIG SMILE ON THIS WARRIOR"
I remember watching this 3 years ago as a new Yorker who grew up idolizing tyson studying all the available training footage all his fights and him being the reason i started boxing and now after learning more about tyson and also understanding the things he did as well as the circumstances of his career, teddy atlas isnt wrong in this, you dont have to agree, but hes not wrong
The idea of judging athletes on how they perform when it really counts isn’t wrong. But to boil mike’s career down and say he has 0 wins and that essentially he lost every fight that really mattered is completely ignorant. There’s no accurate way to look at any of tyson’s wins and say definitively that he had to dig deep or not. It’s completely subjective and in no way measurable. You don’t always know what’s going on in these fighter’s lives at the time they’re in the ring. I guarantee you there were wins in tyson’s career where he had to dig deep. And i also guarantee you some of those wins he made look incredibly easy.
Tyson overcame addiction, the death of his child, no parents or family I'd say that was some of the hardest situations any man would face. He overcame I'd say
Mike is an inspiration! Everybody sees the fighter but what Mike went through in life would have certainly crushed most people a lot earlier - and he overcame it finding somewhat like peace within himself! This makes him an inspiration for me!
It fueled em. But teddy didnt say Tyson didn't overcame that situation. He understands people love Tyson and look at him as a demi god. He didn't say he wasn't great. He just pointed out the fact that Tyson couldn't beat anyone who wasn't intimated by him lol ala evander holyfield
Absolutely. He has evolved into one of the coolest fucking people I've ever seen in my life. Seriously. I've kinda followed him closely over the last few years and he is really quite a guy.
Teddy is dead right though. I had a little league coach that told me the same thing. We won like 12 games, or whatever it was back then, with no losses one year. My coach told us, "we looked good but we didn't learn a damn thing about who we are!" As little kids, we had no idea at the time what he was talking about. Once I was in college and playing ball, it hit me like a ton of bricks, though. You learn nothing until you have to suffer, until you take a loss, get knocked down and have to get back up. That's when you learn what you're made of and who you really are, not from being victorious!
"Working for money teaches people the value of a dollar. Suffering teaches people humility and gives them empathy. Altruistic giving is one step on the long path to glory." -Bozo the Clown
I also understand teddy's logic it's super deep but overall mike tyson has proved himself to the sport of boxing that no matter how much truma and adversity he went through in his childhood he can overcome it and become the heavyweight champion of the world 🌎..and yes some of us have been through some kind of trauma in our childhoods or even as a grown but u have to be strong and keep going in order to be successful ..and that's what mike tyson did.
In the end Tyson became the true warriors he always preached about. The man struggles with addiction, his past and trying to find himself. I think he is fighting daily and winning and on the days he doesn’t, he gets up and keeps fighting.
I understand what Teddy is trying to say, HOWEVER, he cannot deny that Mike has been through a hella lot in his life. THAT is why I have the utmost respect for Mike.
John Gluck no, I don’t respect THAT. Look at Mike’s OVERALL life u idiot. U realize where he came from? His influences when he was younger? His tormenting childhood? Evil people using him just for his money? Yet, after experiencing all this, he decides to make a serious change after his boxing career. Look at the man he is NOW. Get the fuck out of here. Pin pointing on one point of his life.
John Gluck Say whatever u want. In the end, your entitled to your own opinion. I don’t want to spend my time going back and forth with an ignorant person who has a complete negative mindset on an individual such as Mike Tyson, who is trying to better himself. Have a nice day.
This is the interview that showed that Joe is the best podcaster/conversationalist out there. Another interviewer would've ruined it by interjecting and not letting Teddy finish his whole train of thought. Just a masterclass of communication.
@@warpathforever6071that crap is reality mike was fkd up definitely had harsh upbringing but still doesn't change the he was fkd up nd didn't had mental strength that boxers before him had like fazer, foreman or ali
Teddy is wrong. Mike didn’t bite Evander to get out of the fight. He bit him because of the head butts and the repetitive low blows, and the referee doing absolutely nothing about it. It was frustration, not cowardice.
By your logic razor ruddock would have been justified in biting mikes ear after the 50 low blows that mike hit him with in both fights ! So you’re wrong, Mike bit the ear cuz he was mentally weak and couldn’t find a way to win so he got a stoppage on antics, Norton broke Ali’s jaw but Ali found a way. Hopkins was 42 fighting guys half his age but he found a way. Marciano had 1 eye shut , behind in points in the 2nd to last round BUT he found a way to defeat Walcott. Tyson never had that kind of character and didn’t feel compelled to develop it cuz he had sycophant yes-men and casual boxing fans like you in his corner telling him he was invincible.... while he was getting k.o’d 😂
If Cus would have lived just five more years and Kevin Rooney would have been in Mikes corner throughout his whole career Mike would have never been beaten. He was the best to ever step inside the ring. Hands down.
shangrila73eldorado He only said that to confirm he did the right thing. More recently, he of course stated the truth saying how he might’ve stayed focused and continued fighting at such a high level with Kevin Rooney
Daveyboy _ I guess buddy. I take it you’re disagreeing with me. That’s fine. Everyone has their own opinion. But there’s no denying that Tyson had unreal skill, power and speed that no one before or after him has even came close to matching. And he no doubt would have maybe never lost if Cus D’amato hadn’t passed so soon in his pro career and if Kevin Rooney had remained his trainer throughout his entire career. Don King destroyed the story of the greatest heavyweight to ever lace up a pair of gloves.
flyinglizards80 I’m sitting on a park bench, in Copley Sq in Boston one day, on my lunch break. I got my headphones on and AC/DC in my ears. I got a Boston Herald that I got at the CVS across the street and some Burger King. I’m just minding my own business. There’s a group of guys (4 or 5) from The Nation of Islam literally right behind me. So I turn down the music because I’m wondering what the hell they could be talking about. The conversation was about pigeons. I spun head around and there’s Mike Tyson telling these guys everything there is to know about pigeons. I remembered someone once showing him how he used to raise pigeons. This went on for minutes. The whole group of them starts to walk away. For some stupid reason, I don’t know why I say “Hey Mike thanks for the education, I come here every day on my lunch break and I’ve always wondered about the pigeons” (which was true there were thousands of them there) He turns and looks at me and I’m looking right into those eyes. My heart stopped, I’m thinking run, before I know it he’s rounded the park bench and was right in front of me and I got no place to go. He’s says calmly and politely says What’s your name”, so I answered (not in my best voice either). He says “You’re very lucky to have a place like this, it’s amazing”. Then stuck out his hand to shake mine. It was like shaking hands with someone that was wearing a catchers mitt. I said something like it was great to meet him. He walked away. I found out later he was in Boston for a mandatory psych evaluation after he bit Holyfield. Sorry for being long however there are 2 types of people in this world. Those that can teach and those that can’t. We can say a lot about Mike Tyson, I can safely say he can put on a clinic about everything you wanted to know about pigeons and do it well. I used to laugh when I heard him talk, since then I now just listen. Most of the time he’s actually saying some real good truths.
Tyson is the greatest his only downfall was the people he trusted and loved died around him. That was his adversity in life, and he didn't overcome it like Teddy is referring to
Just because Mike made most fights appear easy, doesn't mean he never overcame adversity. We don't know how many injuries he fought threw, we can't feel the shots. Only Mike knows when he overcame adversity
What Teddy is saying could hold true for the last part of Mike's career when he was only boxing for money and didn't have that hunger anymore. But life dealt him a bad hand man. From a boy who grew up on the streets and never knew any love from his parents to achieving something great in his career and being a good dad now. Mike Tyson has come a long way and he deserves all the credit for that.
Yeah but then life handed him a good hand. He was adopted by a man who had already trained 2 World Champion fighters and shared with Mike the structure and discipline principles that make a successful person. He became successful and turned on 2 out of the 3 people most responsible for HELPING him. Lets not pretend that Tyson did this on his own. 100% of the reason Tyson was who he was - His new environment. Without that help, the man is never heard of. People act like he made himself successful WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE, facing all sorts of adversity like eminem.
Mike achieved greatness, but he has a troubled soul , throughout his entire life he has been fighting his demons...the Cus Catskill environment helped him, but it never cured him of his inner problems.(he was fighting in school and touching girls even then,)..he recently beat up a guy on a plane for verbally pushing him to far....Mike is a good guy and we wish him the best.
I don't think I've ever seen Joe stay silent for as long as he did in this video. He really let the guy talk as long as he wanted. I can't believe I'm witnessing this.
He does stay silent often relative to other podcast hosts. i like how he keeps the conversation casual but has the interviewer approach of staying quit so the guest can speak more
@@storiesofintrigue1605 You do know she was 19? and Tyson was the second dude she claimed raped her. Not saying he is innocent but I am not going to completely dismiss him because of what one woman says. You would think others in the hotel would hear her screams if it was actually rape. Probably more like yes, but regretted it later.
Mike has lived a gruelling life, heartbreak after heartbreak he’s persevered and become a better man each time, I get what teddy means he gave into his recklessness. However the man has now mastered the art of war and the art of humbleness and philosophy, he fought the hardest fight against himself
Mike has realized hes only human just like the rest of us .. We are all heading to the same place .. I have much respect for him and I sure as hell wouldnt want to piss him off..
I believe Tyson knew he was weak mentally, thats why he strived so hard to be dominant physically. That’s overcoming obstacles. That’s the heart of a champion
@@jasonborotra4208 yeah most people don't have the strength to go there you go. Big and strong. Especially when you know something is wrong with you. Go ahead and try, conclude that there's something wrong about yourself, and then try to build a successful life from that takes a lot of effort
Mentally weak ? He was emotionally unstable because he never had a father, his friends were dying weekly .. jail .. abuse from his mom and friends etc he was a very smart bright kid.. as a matter of fact he was very clever mentally to choose the right path, and stick to the right people once he had a chance but he always went out and looked for a chance. He had an instinct to be in the right place at the right time .. I dong believe anybody who was dating naomi Campbell was mentally weak.. as a matter of fact I'f u Google attitudes of mentally strong people he had them all - works hard. Refuses to be a people pleaser. Know where their values come from. Self reflective. Willing to wait for results. Keep going when you fail, live in the present, feel happy for others, embrace a lone time, feel open to risks and opportunities.one thing he wants strong at is being the master of his emotions. But dude who is at the age of 20? I know I am 29 and I act like a monkey when something doesnt go my way. And only now started to learn how to controll my emotions. So I would say if those things are true, and these are the attributes of a strong person mentally Tyson is one of the best there ever were, along with Napoleon, stalin, Mandela etc. He really is from their clothes
@@sergeyzerkin8029 i dont believe he was mentally weak. go watch the fight between him and razor ruddock 2. that is not mental weakness. i agree with teddy in 90% of what he says. i just dont see it here. mike wasnt a very smart man back then but he sure wasnt mentally weak in a fight. he broke guys mentally. when razor ruddock stood up to him in the 2nd fight, he was there to kill and nothing more
@@erickf5385 If you think he was guilty you do understand shit Mike invited a model to his room at 4am there was no Netflix back then. Like Mike said what were we going to watch a Disney movie? Shit
Teddy is spot on here. Tyson admitted this himself, not directly tho. There’s a podcast where mike tyson speaks of muhammad ali and gets emotional. Ali is the prime example of a fighter overcoming adversity; the george foreman fight. In the podcast Tyson says: “that’s the part where he overshines me” with that referring to the fighter’s mentality he then continued saying “he’s willing to die in there, I’m not willing to die in there”. It’s a really touching moment, highly recommend to watch that podcast.
This man has the absolute most passion for his profession he has a ability to speak in a way that inspires you that's probably what made him a great trainer and coach
Corey Parker he was dumbfounded by how dumb this guy is... right in some points. Wrong in many others Tyson overcame and was more successful than this guy could ever dream of.
The death of Cus was the turning point in Mike's boxing career and life. From that point on he just kept bad people around him with no positive guidance.
I agree. The deaths of Cus and then Jimmy Jacobs in '88 were turning points. Both men and especially Cus were the only father figures in Mike's life. It was like he lost a father twice. At any age that's rough but especially if you're in your early 20s. People that disagree have probably never experienced that. Once he left Kevin Rooney it was pretty much all downhill from there sadly. Tyson will always be my favorite boxer of all time.
I think if you look at Tyson and the man he's become today, it's clear to see that his whole life has been about fighting and overcoming adversity. I don't agree with Teddy's characterization of him at all.
@J W Why don't I agree? Please reread my original post. Also, if you know about their relationship you'd know they had beef in the past and that has obviously tainted TA's view of Tyson.
He's talking about overcoming ring adversity in the moment, in the ring. He was right. Mike couldn't fight back once he got hurt. Look Ali, Frazier, Foreman against Lyle- , against Jimmy Young, Foreman got off the canvas against Lyle. These guys kept fighting in the ring. Mike no. Mike didn't comeback after getting punched.
Obviously now Mike is different and has changed for the better, what Teddy is talking about is about the past. And lets be objective, I believe everything Teddy said, if you looked at old vids of Tyson you would probably agree. Now Mike has become a wonderful person. what Teddy is talking about has alot of wisdom for not just Tyson but for the everyone.
Maybe he’s right about Tyson, but the man is not being objective. He is bitter when it comes to Tyson ( I dont know their past). He’s basically talking about him being gifted and his failure as a fighter, stuff like that. Why would you do that? No matter of its true or not it’s kinda fuckedup to talk about a person like that
I actually think Teddy is spot on here, as Mikes big turn around as a human being came after his fighting career. Go and analyze Mikes losses, he just got frustrated and outworked in his losses when his ways didn't work. Of course he wasn't training and studying like he used to, but deep down I think he got scared and underperformed when the going got tough. He overcame that only after his active boxing career was over.
Especially in Tucker and Tillis though, there was no real adversity for him to overcome, these were no wars. Frazier/Ali 3, Duran/Barkley, Gatti/Ward, Leonard/Hearn1, etc. etc. etc. These were fights where in each case the victor was in very deep waters and found a way out.
I always come back and listen to this clip and have two observations: 1). Teddy is speaking absolute truth here and gives a million dollars worth of insight on life. 2). Rogan is a master. Doesn’t cut Teddy off and let’s him go. There’s not another interviewer on the planet who would have been able to let someone talk without interjecting or sidetrack the conversation. BTW, I was not a fan of Tyson much until he changed course a few years ago. I’m his biggest supporter now and admire his turnaround.
He never said he didn't...he merely pointed out the fact that the best win on Tyson's record is probably his win over a 38 year old Larry Holmes who had been retired for 2 years after 2 consecutive losses to a light heavyweight, and was all but paid to take a dive.
@@brucesmith54 Best win......... Larry Holmes!!! Really?? I think you're forgetting the rest of the heavyweight division at the time. Tyson tore through it and became the heavyweight division.
@@brucesmith54 Well for some memory problems and dementia are growing concerns in todays society! lol Just of the top of my head...... Berbick, Thomas, Smith, Spinks, Bruno, Biggs, Williams. Didn't even have to mention Larry! All fully grown men. All considered exceptional boxers. All thought they could beat this 20 year old kid. I guess he played his part in making them "unforgettable" lol
He's in no position to disagree, so he shuts up. It's a skill we should all learn but it's hard. Joe Rogan is a fan, Teddy Atlas was his trainer. Tyson was never a warrior. Teddy knows warriors and he'd say if the guy was ready to go to war. He was never in one, because he disengaged every time he had the chance. If the other guy didn't go down quickly, he went down.
@@jmc7504 U think tyson wasnt roided, bro it was the fucking 80's and 90's my neighbour was Roided. Everyone was on Roids, even cyclists like Lance Armstrong
A rare and essential skill for a good interviewer. Make it about the guest, not yourself. Let them shine, or let them hang themselves. The instinct to shut up and let them talk is something that someone like Fallon is completely devoid of. Interesting perspective though.
I'd love to hear Mike's reply on Teddy's analysis of him. It would be fascinating. I do respect Teddy's opinion on the matter and it was brilliantly explained.
Teddy great guy but took his money as well as his partner who had cancer . And dogging him as Mike is smarter then him studying philosophy. He dogs Mike he said 1-5cmon man punk ass
In my opinion, Mike did fight his hardest when it mattered, in life! He overcame the obstacles of life that was put in front of him and came out a better man and broke out of that wall he was hiding in.
Hold on...tyson grew up in the streets constantly bullied broke no parents or friends was arrested like 20 times and pretty much left for dead and within 7 years after meeting cus he was the undisputed unified heavy weight boxing champion of the world in the convos with the greats and the highest paid athlete in the world...if thats not over coming adversity then i dont know what is
@@groundtrader173 Yup america gang culture brought a lot of dishonor to fighting in the streets. In my country we have none of that crap, typically only 1v1's.
The Lennox Lewis fight record stands on its own. Lennox is not insecure, and he understands Mike’s better times and fight success. Mike was early out of the gate dominating, then Mike became human LOL. Even though Mike KO’d Buster in the 8th of a fight he was losing. Buster put everything together in that fight, physically and mentally, dialed in to win.
Teddy Atlas is in error, Mike Tyson is 1-5. Teddy pulled in Mike's early life and implied it was a source of Mikes failures. But Teddy fails to chalk-up Mike's current history - Mike is a winner as he goes through life today, he handles himself well and reflects humbly on his past - Mike is winning the most important part of his life, that which he is living today. Thumbs up to a great person - Mike Tyson. by Slade Kitchens
Daren Kitchens I think Teddy was just talking about his boxing career. You are absolutely correct though about Tyson’s turn around. In life he is a champion.
By Teddy’s own logical he proved himself wrong...Mike wasn’t trying to overcome people that was easy. He was trying to overcome being that kid who hid in walls. And by that token Mike is Champ.
Maybe physically. But you don't know what goes on in his head. If you watch tysons podcast. Tyson always puts himself down and is ashamed of who he is and what hes done. It's funny everyone thinks highly of him but himself. He knows the things he's done that no one knows about. And he hates living with himself knowing who he truly is.
@@dannyisjuan4706 exactly, after Cus died Mike lost focus, got weaker mentally/emotionally/spiritually and that's why he lost. Physically, he was still a monster, but people weren't afraid anymore because he didn't have that warrior anymore or if he did it slacked.
One of the finest monologues on yt. Certain things might not be "true", but it's clear Teddy believes in every word he says. Love to come back to this speech every now and then. Thanks Teddy
There are words to describe somebody like that. "Narcissist" and "compulsive liar" come to mind. Teddy's just bitter and butthurt and talking a lot of shit
Except its 100% bullshit, the part about Mike failing 5 times and winning 0. Because had he not lost at all he would have to say Mike was 0-0 and never been in a fight. And he has to apply that to literally every other boxer ever. If they never lost that means they failed when they were actually tested?? And if they never lost then they were never tested?? His logic makes no sense and contradicts itself so badly.
@@curtharakaly4620 💯 fr. Idk why people think this angry rant of his is so deep and philosophical. He's just still mad because teenage Mike did a teenage thing and hit on his neice. Now he's trying to take away Mike's acomplishments because he can't get over it already.
Interviewers take notes. Round of applause to joe. Jeez this man should work for air traffic control the way he navigates these conversations so smoothly.
My father was a writer for many years with Sports Illustrated. He first met Cus in the 1950’s and became very good friends with him. They talked all the time. Shortly after Cus first got Mike into the ring , Cus called my dad and said that he has a 13 year old kid who will end up being the youngest heavyweight of all time. Cus was 100 percent convinced. Cus also thought that Mike could end up being the greatest of all time but he said that there were too many variables to make that claim. Here is my view on what happened with Mike. He loved and worshipped Cus. And Mike also liked and respected greatly his manager, Jimmy Jacobs. Mike ended up losing Cus and Jimmy at a young age (21). Jimmy and Cus (especially Cus) could tell Mike what to do and he would do it. Without either one of them around, the limit to which Mike would listen to his trainers diminished over time. To a degree he became uncontrollable and unteachable and that became his downfall. That does not mean I don’t respect what Mike achieved. But I do think that if Cus had lived a longer life Mike would have achieved even more.
Absolutely Spot On,Tyson Said That Cus Was The 1st White Guy Who Didn’t Judge Him👊🏾💯🏅🏆🏅💯👊🏾Awesome That Your Dad Knew Cus,Bet He’s Got Some Great Story’s.
TroystonB I actually see Tyson at the gym all the time and extremely nice guy to everyone, but if we are gonna speak about morons then we should also take a moment and mention a moron name troyston with a fuckface that I can bet money is still virgin. Keypad warrior
Is itn just me or is everyone else shocked by what Teddy said about Tyson? The man came through so much and kept coming back and back and is now an inspiration...I love Tyson so hearing this is shocking for me...
@black panther i know. If it was about my father, id describe his hard work ethic, unwavering morals and etc. Those same morals he taught me. To celebrate a rapist is disgusting. What if that was your mother, sister or niece? My guess is you dont care though because you are a weak man needs to believe your fake role model was as good as you think.
The best interview ever. Teddy talks from the heart 100%, fully concentrated, Joe is also awesome as well. They are on the same page 100%. This is gold ...
@Jacqueline Sevilla You maybe don't understand what you're talking about. He seems alright now. Teddy is talking about Tyson when he was fighting. No real father, mother was a prostitute, spent time in juve for committing heinous crimes. Picked up by a boxing trainer who pushed him to an insane level physically and mentally for all his formative years. No life, no friends, no childhood, few life skills, just training and fighting against adults in the ring to fulfill an old man's dying dream. Then this new parent also died and he was left to the sharks and the whores; robbed by the people who got rich off his fights, accused and convicted of rape, labeled a rapist for ever. Had marriages that not only failed but with famous ex-wives who told the entire world how terrible Tyson was as a person. Despite sacrificing most of his life to boxing, still humbled repeatedly in the ring by underdog boxers. Gained a reputation as a cheater, a bully, a dirty fighter who could only win against weak and scared boxers, even known as a quitter who could dish it out but not take it. Went bankrupt less than a year after his last win in the ring. Would anyone actually be jealous of this life, let alone Teddy Atlas?
I get what Teddy is saying; but I dont think its totally fair.. Yes Tyson lost some key fights to Lewis, Holyfield.. But he was in quite a few competitive fights; where he had to dig a bit deeper to win.. His wins over Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker and Francois Botha come to mind.
Naw, I think you missed his point. Teddy is saying that the Mike Tyson that grew up hiding in the streets never stopped hiding. Mike never learned how to overcome his character flaw. Mike never beat himself when he had a chance to grow past whatever was holding him back from becoming a better version of himself.
@@thedevilsadvocate3710 - thats fair enough i get that.. But Teddy was still equating that to Tyson's boxing career.. 0-5 in real fights?? C'mon thats unfair. Yes Tyson did not handle the upper echelon of champions, ie Lewis, Holyfield. Yes Tyson destroyed 35 or 40 guys who were shaking in their boots.. But there was another smaller group maybe 5 or 6 guys who gave Tyson a competitive fight. And Tyson did not get frustrated, did not foul out of the fight, he went on to win those fights where the guy was putting up a bit of a challenge. Some of his decent wins against decent fighters are not given enough credit IMO. Thats basically what I am saying.
Teddy is spot on when it came to Mikes career as a boxer. Teddy wasn’t taking away from Mikes physical greatness as an athlete, but it takes more than having physical greatness to be a great champion. And Mike didn’t have the other part of what makes a great champion great, and that’s heart. What drove Mike was rage, not heart, rage only lasts so long. But I will say Mike has now become “that man” who has endured and overcome adversity not with rage but with heart. I admire Mike now more than I did watching him in his prime as a boxer. Mike now is a great champion in life! God bless him.
OK, Teddy duly noted and understood. It’s a well stated explanation from someone with experience. Another additional point is that all the other champions at the time were able to watch Mike ascend to a heavyweight title. They could assimilate his style over the years and prepare to fight Mike by dissecting his style of success. Lennox Lewis was just waiting to dissect and utilize the strategy advantage that he clearly had with his size and skill. It’s possible no fighter was better prepared than Buster Douglas, physically and mentally, in his match against Mike in Japan. Lennox displayed a very similar strategy and skill later on. At 19 and 20 years old, Mike would have likely beat both of them. Mike showed flashes of previous greatness after jail. What could’ve been? Mike entrapped himself unfortunately. Mike missed out on 3 years of fighting and training at his best. Oh well, stuff happens. Mike has more than bounced back in life, “The Biggest Fight”. Those lost years were at the prime physical age of 25 to 28 years old, all that time lost out of the fight game. Problems, Court and stress , Mike lost more than 3 prime years. This IMO.
I agree. The original Tyson was invincible. So invincible, he took Douglas for granted. After leaving Kevin Rooney and teaming up with Don King and trainer Aaron Snow he took a downshift in his ability. Tyson no longer moved quite the same. After his prison sentence, Tyson, although a threat, was no longer the highly skilled somewhat smaller fighter he was in his prior reign. Tyson was still (somewhat) good in his muscle memory after prison, but he was not as great a fighter as he was in his initial appearance on the stage. Even though I have great respect for Hollyfield and Lennox Lewis, IMHO, the original Tyson would have defeated both of these fighters with KOs.
Excellent point. Joe knew to let this particular guest just G-O. I am a longtime fan of Teddy Atlas. If you watch his podcast, his co-host knows to also sit back and let Teddy G-O. ....... Because he's good at it. He's interesting and has a literal wealth of knowledge to share.
@@jaredfaulkner2202 if im correct Tyson cuffed the ass of Teddy Atlas niece and Teddy pointed a gun at him and fired it close by his ear.. Cus DAmato offered Atlas a portion of Tysons earnings his he let it go and Atlas said fuck that and left
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Another idiotic comment. Its not about his physical strength its about his mentality. Tyson was weak and insecure against everyone who he couldn’t intimidate.
I like what Teddy says here b/c it’s really only something you can understand in combat sports: there is a point when you’re too good for the competition at your level, that when you finally meet someone who can actually go head to head with you, you’re not prepared
I think he’s picking on Tyson to a certain degree. He had fights where he struggled and won. He had trouble with taller guys that weren’t scared. But Sonny Liston is more who he’s referring to. Liston had to scare people, and he did it well, until Ali. He had to literally pull a gun and shoot blanks at Ali to try to intimidate him and nothing worked. He couldn’t overcome Ali’s faith and it broke him. Look at his life, it’s such an incredible story.
Dennis Moore Tyson fought a bunch of below average fighters in the 80s. When it comes to the best fighters of his generation like Holyfield and Lewis he lost. Once he knew he couldn’t knock em out he folded, like a bully getting punched back.
@@seandoughty767 exactly, Tyson beat journeymen on the way to the top. Most of those guys were beat before the first bell. Lewis and Holyfield were not intimidated by Tyson at all. Granted Tyson wasn't at his best when he fought the but I believe they both could've beat him in his prime. He certainly wasn't unbeatable.
Joe Rogan is the greatest interviewer..... For actually knowing when to shut up and let the guest roll. Too many interviewers just want to hear their own voice.
I think Teddy still is bitter over Mike. Mike was a phenom and obviously was the youngest winner of the belt. I wish Cus could have been there to see it. I think if Mike didn’t go in prison he would have remained unbeaten. He lacked discipline when Cus died but what a job Cus did ! took a 12 year old boy from scratch and made him into one of the greatest ever
Tyson lost to Douglas BEFORE he went to prison. That said, I agree that he would have remained unbeaten and attained so much more, had he kept the people that cared around. There is a MARKED difference in tyson, in and out of the ring, before and after Rooney. It can't be ignored.
Ironically, Teddy doesn't realise that he was being tested as a man,with Mike the child and he failed. Mike needed Teddy greatly at that point of conflict between them, for guidance, stability and to be shown the right way to become, not just a great fighter, but a great man. I don't agree with what Mike did, but he was a child with emotional & behavioural issues.....that needed help......that help should of come from Teddy more than anyone else, because of how close Teddy was to Mike and seeing first hand the issues Mike needed mentoring through. What other reason would Cus have for getting rid of Teddy? Cus knew Mike needed help, not more conflict.
@@vodgod7229 Cus didnt kick him, Teddy left on his own because Cus was too defensive on Mike, which was against all his teachings about discipline. Which shows at the end of the day Teddy was right. Lack of discipline self destroyed Tyson.
Teddy has just explained why Djokovic is the GOAT. Nadal is also a freak in that same aspect. But Djoko is just the GOAT. He thrives when he finds resistance. He is at his best when he finds resistance.
The MAN Mike is TODAY, in my mind he did overcome everything!!! And THAT was the BIGGEST fight which he's still fighting today. He's still a will always be the undisputed heavyweight champ we knew!!!
No it's not sour grapes and he keeps telling us that so that people like u can't continue concluding to such nonsense cause that's what most Tyson supporters would say.
Exactly man teddy is still upset that tyson disrespected his girl and that was back in the fucking 80s. It takes strength to acknowledge that desperate people do desperate things and to just roll with it.
What Teddy dont seem to understand is that Cus had to overlook certain things so that Tyson could retain his viciousness and ferocity thats born out of the slums he came from. Unfortunately that also meant certain disciplines couldn't be instilled to avoid taming the beast. And it is that beastly behavior that would break the record of a youngest heavyweight champion.
I love Mike Tyson but I also have to agree with my man Teddy Atlas. He has the balls to say it. My father told me a very similar thing 25 years ago about Tyson and we all love Tyson regardless.
@@magshype Were you there when she got raped? Just to let you know that the same girl who acused him of raping her had a history of falsely acusing men of rape for money.
Youre missing the point, any time he had to fight IN THE RING and adversity reared its head, he couldnt do it, he overcame a lot, just not opponents who matched his skill and talent, because he was so used to running people over and his ego became comfortable in that, Atlas acknowledged him and then went to state his point
@@biscotti4017 - have U seen Tyson vs Don Ruddick or participated in martial sports?... ALL fast twitch athletes slow down after a round or 2... Doesn't mean they're not fighting cardiovascular purgatory
“The strongest guy you’ll ever find, but the weakest as a person” wow I get what he’s saying. I believe McGregor to be very similar, his talent is so much greater than most. He is used to being better than his opponents but when his opponent matches his level or exceeds his level causing a dogfight, he’ll shy away. Gaethje is, to me, the perfect example of what a true fighter is according to Teddy’s standards. All of gaethje’s fights are absolute wars. A lot of the muay thai guys as well.
190lbs at 12..👀💪🏾💪🏾!!🤯 Teddy has great points but he also is speaking from personal pain from issues with Tyson that's why he started crying... This was B4 Tyson hugged & apologized.. now Teddy may say something different.. Teddy definitely has some points but Tyson had some crazy hard fights B4 to guys that didn't yield, and Tyson upbringing & life also was equally as hard.. Great interview
Teddy atlas reminds me of that dad who doesn’t ever approve of you even if you become president they go ”yeah that’s nothing”. It’s like they never believed in you and when you prove them wrong they don’t like you even more for proving them wrong
