Was Jesus a Created Being? Justin Peters Accepts My Challenge: My Response 

Great video Rod! Not surprising that JP didn’t do his due diligence on the “false teachers”

Given how thorough and accurate you are, maybe Justin will eventually find such clear, obvious reasoning to be the truth. But then, I always felt if someone heard the truth of the matter they would concede to it. However, as I’ve gotten older I’ve realized people like to hold onto their beliefs, no matter how false.

So sad. Peter's deliberately taking Perry Stone's comment out of context.. so dishonest disingenuous and dividing..

Justin gets corrected for saying stupid stuff and then doubles down in another video to defend himself and says even more stupid stuff. With him that's just par for the course. But in his defense, he is too busy to do proper homework on these matters because he hes been traveling around to churches trying very hard to convince people that God doesn't do miracles anymore.

I went online and found a copy of Ken Copeland's book The power of the tongue. It reads the way you said it and not the way Justin Peter's said. Kenneth Copeland literally said "So before Jesus came to earth, God spoke his word, and he spoke his word ..." He also wrote "The Word, which existed before the foundation of the earth , lived for thirty-three years as a man. His name was Jesus. Anyone can google the book and read that for themselves in the chapter God's Word Sent Forth. Justin Peter's should have done that before quoting what he did, but he did not since it served Justin's purpose to discredit Ken Copeland and his word of faith teaching. His purpose was if he could invalidate Ken Copeland for teaching something that is so wrong, then his teaching on faith must be wrong as well. If I could google the book and find it in 30 seconds he could have done the same. The site I came to when I googled it allows you to preview part of the book The Power of the Tongue before you buy it, and fortunately this chapter was included in that preview.

Sometimes I just feel sorry for JP. It seems that there's got to be some sort of bitterness in his life that causes him see things the way he does. In Acts chapter 8 Peter refers to Simon the Sorcerer. When he addresses his core issues he refers to bitterness and iniquity affecting the way he lives. It almost seems like there's some sort of stubborn unbelief. Something that is holding him in bondage. At least with people like Melissa Dougherty, you can see where her new age background and limited experience limits her from being able to understand what spirit filled Word of Faith people are teaching. With John MacArthur, you can see the influence of a religious spirit affecting his judgment. But with JP there seems to be more than that because his judgment seems to be moving into genuine intellectual dishonesty. There's got to be some sort of bitterness there. I pray that the Lord would heal his disabilities and remove whatever is hindering him from seeing the truth

I just discovered your channel and am so thrilled by the breath of fresh air your ministry provides. These so-called discernment teachers and critics are emitting a stench! They have long needed to be exposed for their error. Thank you for stepping up to do the job!

Thank you for all that you do and for this channel. I am a recent subscriber. It has helped me tremendously to bring clarity to these issues. I am 45 years old and have been involved with the Word of Faith movement for all of my life. I’m a second generation Rhema graduate as my parents attended in the early 80’s and were pastors after graduating . Once I graduated from Rhema in 1998 I worked on staff at Rhema/Kenneth Hagin ministries for 8 years. I worked in the media duplication department that produced all of Brother Hagin’s messages on cassette tape and CD. Part of my job was quality control of the messages produced. Therefore, it included listening to all of his messages. I listened to his messages for 8 hours a day for 8 years. I have also listened to messages by other WOF ministers and have NEVER, NEVER heard them teach anything that JP or these “heresy hunters” say they do. They bare false witness and have nothing but straw man arguments. That doesn’t mean I agree with 100% of things taught by Kenneth Hagin or other WOF teachers but what JP and others are saying is ridiculous! I also attended ORU and studied theology. For the better of almost 10 years I studied Reformed Theology as well. I didn’t listen to opposing views but listened and read from direct sources who taught it such as RC Sproul, John Piper, Steve Lawson, A.W. Pink, and the writings of the Puritans. Although, they have many truths that we can benefit from, it started to affect my faith in God. I also saw among many of Calvinism’s followers with a spiritual pride, arrogance, and lack of any love towards other people or views as seen in the comment thread for this video. The comments are repulsive. I think many of them see themselves as modern reformers. However, what Martin Luther did and others during the reformation was a move of the Spirit of God. This so-called modern reformation is a move of the flesh, carnality, and a spirit of pride. My conclusion that the Reformed view of sovereignty is not the Bible’s view. God is sovereign and sovereignly chose man’s responsibility to be involved. Man still must live, walk, and please God by Faith. Even Charles Spurgeon understood this. These modern day heresy hunters who idolize Spurgeon would be shocked to really read what he said about Faith. The sovereignty of God and man’s faith are not opposed to each other. Thanks again for the channel! Tim

Rod Saunders, THANK YOU for this video.

Justin Peters looks for quotes that SOUND LIKE what he is looking for. He misinterprets what others say. It seems like he doesn't read what he is critiquing. I hope he is just a sloppy heresy hunter and that he's not deliberately lying to those that listen to him.

Poor Justin Peter's. What a shame.

Perry Stone obviously was referring to Jesus incarnation, as we are very familiar with his ministry - he is a solid biblical teacher. Once again JPs accusations don’t hold water. He really needs to learn to do proper research and not assume negative conclusions - it makes him lose credibility as a reliable analyst.

I like the way you and Justin did this. I'm sure you both felt like you won the "argument". I wish you two guys could set up a forum where you could sit at a table and have doctrinal discussions. I would greatly enjoy hearing a discussion......not a debate, but a discussion.

Justin is repeating misquoted opinions. Lol. Justin is no scholar.

The dishonesty among so called discernment ministers is shocking. The real purpose of ministries such as this one (Jew and Greek) is to awaken people whose faith has been shaken by these guys and those who have been caused to mistrust their pastors. The importance of this cannot be overstated I am becoming more and more convince that the dishonesty is deliberate. Its not just a difference in opinion but deliberate maligning of other believers

The Son of God as part of the Trinity is eternal. Jesus Christ created in the flesh as the manifest Son of God is Bible. These are two different things. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand...

I’ve read Kenneth Copeland’s book The Power of the Tongue. It doesn’t say what Justin Peters says.

Very Well Done Bro. Saunders! Justin is deceived Himself; it's Extremely Sad, but If He Would Be Willing To Have His Mind Renewed to the Truth, He could be transformed! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

JP seems to be so confident that he has proven his point but once again failed. . . . . next time he'd better do his research well or else quit trying to discredit the word of faith preachers

The Trinity has no beginning and no end. It's eternal. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit have always 'been'. I couldn't really follow this video because it jumped around a lot from JP to this guy. Anyway, Jesus was most definitely not created. He always 'was'

I am becoming sicker and sicker of Justin Peters, R.C. Sproul and so on. Thank you Rod.

I can see how JP gets to his conclusions but sadly he seems to miss the context and meaning of what is being said. Kinda like the proof texts of Calvinism. Blessings, Rod!

Justin Peters is a humble man full of integrity. You need to examine yourself to see if you are in the faith. Are you seriously defending Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn?

Justin seems intent on digging himself into a hole. He did himself no favours adding his opinion to what Copeland and others actually said. In this video he continually added to what people were actually saying. Kenneth Copelands opinion according to Justin Peters, not Kenneth Copelands opinion according Kenneth Copeland. Sadly Justin's hatred for WOF seems to have blinded him to what they are talking about. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:11

This is a masterclass video !

Discernment ministries misrepresented someone? Color me shocked! In my opinion, On another note, Justin Peters is out of his depth when he discusses theology. He is apparently too lazy to make sure his criticisms are accurate. P.S. Technically, the early Church taught that Jesus has always been incarnate. There was never a time when he was not (read St. Athanasius of Alexandria's work on the incarnation--it was written in response to arian theology). Of course, I recognize this is a Protestant channel, but I wanted to throw that out there.

Rod, you do your homework , masterpiece of Apologetics.

I think to do the issue any justice, it is right to see Justin's video. We can not ignore pure heresy in their teachings just because the church's statement of faith says otherwise.

Clearly Justin Peters needs to repent and make amends for violating the 9th commandment. He needs to quit teaching people to rebel against God by teaching people not to desire spiritual gifts and especially the gift of prophecy!

Justin Peters routinely twists stuff to get what he wants out of it and I suspect he is not self aware enough to realize it. Just look at his own doctrinal statement on his website. He uses 1 Tim 5:23 ESV: "Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses." and Gal 4:13 ESV: As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel to you,".....as proof texts for cessationism.

Great picture of that con artist Copeland ! It's exactly as I picture him !

I don't know any Word of Faith people that believes in modalism or that Jesus is a created being. I have heard the direct opposite from all of them. Certain Pentecostal circles believe in modalism but that is it. Heretic hunters like to take the various groups of charismatic denominations and lump them all together as Word of Faith teaching when that is far from the case. Furthermore, many of these heretic hunters will find some fringe teaching by someone and make the false claim that everyone in the Word of Faith believes this. This is not even remotely true. There are a few things that Kenneth Copeland said that I strongly disagree with. These heretic hunters need to look at the core doctrines of what everyone believes and make their so-called discernment from there.

Guy I want to inform you of who you're defending. You're not defending Jesus Christ you're not defending Martin Luther King you're not defending Fred Rogers you're defending Kenneth Copeland let that sink in...

You can tell clearly it's a lie It almost looks like a parody with Copeland's face Being in A ambiguous Lock Almost like a parody In my opinion this is very dishonest If you truly want to show discernment towards someone else then you do not need props and you do not Copy other documentsFrom someone else's page. This is juvenile. It's not what you would expect from a mature minister, and is a pathetic way to show the Goodness of God.

If JP is good in anything. He's a master of nit-picking. I haven't seen anybody else so professional in nitpicking like JP. Thank you Brother Rod

Rod, Do you believe that Kenneth, Perry, and Jesse are truly preaching God's word and are prophetically sound? Or do you see them as false teachers and false prophets? I am truly asking for a honest answer here sir.

It's sad. Justin Peter's seems to take the worst possible interpretation of what someone says without looking at the context. Clearly Perry was talking about Jesus coming to earth as a man. He wasn't saying before then He never existed. Perry Stone and these others he cited clearly believe in the Eternal Jesus. It's so dishonest of him to take a supposed quote by Copeland without going to the actual source

How a Christian can defend the likes of Copeland and Hinn, I’ll never understand. If a hypothetical choice was forced upon me between being a Charismatic or an atheist, I’m walking away entirely.

Hey Tod I have a question for you. Why do you think a lot of these Christian RU-vidrs are Calvinist heretic head hunters? It’s like the Christian RU-vidr heretic hunter starter kit is: 1. Make videos answering questions like “Should Christian’s do fill in the blank” 2. Make videos warning the flock of “false” teachers. Like - Joel Osteen, TD Jakes, Joyce Myers, Etc. 3. Use old outdated videos about false teachers. 4. Edit and post sermons of famous reformed preachers. I see this pattern over and over again. Why do you think this is?

Thank you for your videos; it seems that when I approach a conversation with fellow Christian’s, I feel as though I can’t express my faith without being attacked. They always bring up these “arguments”, such as JP brought up. So thank you for clarifying and making things easy to understand!

Finally, Justin gets called out, on his twisted accusations. Thank You Rod.

If Perry Stone believes that Jesus is a created being, then I seriously doubt that the Church of God would let him keep his ministerial license.

Ok, "Jesus wasnt even there" God the Father, God the son, and God the son, is the Trinity.

Finally! Justin is one of the most damaging teachers in the Faith. He destroys you pursuing intimacy and communing with the Father, in Jesus Christ, through the Person of Holy Spirit.

Jesus appeared to Abram as Almighty God in Gen 17. Jesus appeared to Moses as Jehovah, whereas before he was not known by that name Ex 6:3. Jesus is God, Jesus is Jehovah! In John ch. 8, Jesus told the Jews, Abraham rejoiced to see my day, appearing to him on more than one occasion. Everybody ought to know who Jesus is, he is Lord, and he is God, he is creator of all things, Savior of the world.

I appreciate everything you do and I love your videos! The only thing I can’t understand is how you can defend a money hungry preacher such as Copeland. He obviously serves mammon

Just found the PDF. This is everything I could find relating to the quote: Once that covenant was established, God began to release His Word into the earth. He began to paint a picture of a Redeemer, a man who would be the manifestation of His Word in the earth. The only avenue God had to get His words into the earth was through men. As He would speak life- filled words in relation to His covenant with Abraham, His prophets would repeat those words in the earth. It was a very tedious and difficult process since the Old Testament prophets were not born-again men. Because they lived under the Abrahamic Covenant, they were able to receive instruction from God and righteousness was imputed, or counted, unto them (Rom. 4:22). So before Jesus came to the earth, God spoke His Word and then spoke His Word again. How many times did He say the Messiah was coming? It was prophesied over hundreds, even thousands, of years. He kept saying, "He is coming. He is coming." The circumstances in the earth made it look as if there was no way He could accomplish it; but He just kept saying it. He would not be moved by what He saw. Once that Word was received into the earth by a man, it was here to stay. In Isaiah 55:11, God said, So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. God would not relent. Through the mouths of His prophets, He kept sending His Word and sending His Word. Finally, the great moment came when that Word was brought forth in human form: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth (John 1:14). The Word, which existed before the 13 14 foundations of the earth, lived for 33 years as a man. His name was Jesus. He ministered for three years as a prophet under the Abrahamic Covenant; then He gave Himself to be the last sacrifice of the Old Covenant. He became the sacrificial lamb, offered upon the altar of the cross for one reason: to defeat Satan. Jesus was the last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45), and He passed the test that the first Adam failed. pg 12-14

Please Justin. It's hard to listen to him at times. He's creepy.

You seem like a good man defending the wrong group of people.

Calvinist theology literally states that the Son was begotten in "eternity past" which is asinine nonsense making their fake Jesus a created being and then they deny the incarnation of Christ saying Jesus didn't actually become fully man otherwise he would have been corrupted by Augustinian Original Sin sin nature so it must have been just kind of like human flesh somehow but not really. These people aren't Christians. Period.

Jesus` body was created just ask Mary, He had to grow into a man, Jesus was the firstborn among many brethren. was sacrificed for the world and went into eternity without time making Him there at the beginning and creating, crucified before time because when God speaks it is done. why do we all have to bring God down to our Level. Acts 2,22 says God lived in Jesus and did the miracles not Jesus. He was not fully man but the son of woman as he had no earthly father so was missing human / Adams DNA. Jesus came into time and went into eternity and part of the God head. he was the second Adam, where did Adams DNA come from?

Rod, What do you believe Justin gets correct or makes right on some issues. What things does he say that are correct about Word of Faith teachers? His ministry is not in vain. So everything Justin says can be refuted? If his ministry is assumingly not in vain and assumingly your ministry is not in vain. Is he correct most of the time or not most of the time in your view? Jesus Christ The Son of Man= 22"For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son. Consider this as you are doing this ministry from a Charismatic point of view.

Again, JP following his SOP of using ambiguous on-the-fly sound bites and ASSUMING their meaning. His utterly poor methodology is revealing the usual “fault-finding” spirit that is deFacto false accusation by JP.

Sir.. what more proof do you need then what Justin showed you? I think you need to leave Justin alone and stick your nose in the Bible. I don’t believe anything that you say. Hope you have a blessed day

Keep that man honest, Rod! Justin doesn't seem to really look at any contrary evidence. He takes the smallest thing and makes a big deal out of it. My prayer is that we will see some kind of integrity, some kind of acknowledging that he's taking his anti-charismatic fight too far!

👏👏 Whether intentional or not, JP is so incredibly dishonest. Thank you for sharing! 👏👏

Such weak arguments! You want to tell me that if I teach/say error, my defence to that is some religious statement?

I have been around some Calvinist and multiple Reformed theology guys and the majority of those guys purposely find things to misunderstand about anything you say. (I was one of those kinds of people who found fault before God disciplined me and I repented.). It's kind of like childish tattle tailing to make one look good. It's also just like the movie Pollyanna where she says if you look for the bad in people you shall surely find it. I have since learned that the true motive is to put anyone in the body of Christ down that they might exalt themselves over them. It is so they can prove themselves right in some way in order to show off their knowledge or virtue signal how much better they are than you or how much they either defend or live God more than you. They will even tell you what you meant when you said something rather than ask you to explain. Justin is out to be admired and make himself look good, even at the expense of God's kingdom. Mark 12:13. And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.

Justin Peters may not understand the preciseness of language that must be used when discussing or teaching theology. Technically, the eternal pre-incarmate Son of God took on humanity at the moment of conception in Miriam's/Mary's womb ... and took the name "Jesus" eight days after she gave birth to Him. From the human perspective, there is a precise chronology of temporal events that unfold in time -- and Perry Stone was not necessarily incorrect.

Almost stopped having faith to heal the sick, prophesy because of Justin Peters. He would create all kinds of wrong citations and outside context stuff to discredit people's

Yes I have seen this with these type of things, the critics that is, if you going to stand for the truth and expose false teachings, well good, but then you need actually present the truth and check your facts. Many of these critics also twist things to fit their views, that is not truth. I have written to some of them, that they are doing the very thing they accuse others of, did not have a pleasant response. These critics seems as if they write people off.

Jesus didn't start to exist until he was conceived I'm Mary by The Holy Spirit. But Jesus is only the incarnated Son, the Son himself, preincarnate, is uncreated. What started to exist isn't The Son, it's the human personae of Jesus. And yes, God created Christ... Christ is a title, its "the anointed one", it's contextually bound and not a timeless divine attribute, like love or mind or justice. It only exists in the created relational/covenantal context. Thus God created the concept of the title: Christ.

JP's approach to these things is really absurd. It's like professing to be wise, and yet becoming like a fool.

Just more reasons to be divided There was absolutely a time that Jesus did not exist in the flesh A time before the incarnation . He as God has always existed.he did not always exist as man that physical body although without sin had to be created in the womb of the Virgin.. so both statements are true

Christ was not created, He Is. Jesus Christ, was made, so, in Spirit, He Is God, but in the flesh, He is Jesus. And Jesus was made of the seed of David. And if we really want to go down to the root, made and created are different. Created, is from nothing, but made is using something that already exists. For example, Jesus Christ was made of the seed of David. Jesus was born but Christ was not born. Jesus was the genetic material that Christ used to dwell in.

Rod, you and your meager followers are like toddlers with their fingers in their ears who refuse to hear the sheer logic and biblical accuracy by which Justin teaches. I thank the Lord every day I came out of this word faith garbage. But, like Jack Nicholson said: You can’t handle the truth!

These Calvinist/Fundamentalist are so certain of their cessationist theology. If they were more humble in their presentation they would be much more persuasive.

What Perry Stone said can easily be taken wrong. You got to give Justin a little bit of slack Rod.😊

I had not heard standard operating for heretic hunters before but it is true. I perceive that deep down they really want to discredit those who believe in the baptism in the Holy Spirit, and those who believe in speaking in unknown tongues, and those who believe God still does healing miracles, and those believe in deliverance from evil spirits. and those who believe in being blessed by God for giving tithes and offerings. Since many word of faith believers believe in the above mentioned things deep down they know if they can discredit word of faith in a major doctrine that most people would know is wrong, they automatically can get people to assume that these other things the word of faith believe are also wrong. Once they can do that they then have more opportunity to teach Calvinism which is what they believe. It is evidently very easy for them to push untruths about other ministries considering they have been so easily and fully deceived to believe that what Calvin taught is true.

Another great video Rod!! Thanks for what you do

Also you gotta read in John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory WHICH I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.”

Great Job!!!!!!!

Using the Lord's name in vain is what most of these men are guilty of. People think that saying a phrase like Gosh darn is what this commandment is about. Using the Lord's name in vain is about using God for selfish desire. The word of faith movement is just the most obvious. Nonbelievers can easily see this is a money grab. These men make themselves and their organization out to be the financial advisors of God's kingdom. They tell people if they give money to God he will return the money with massive gains. This should be illegal to say. All while they use the money for lavish lifestyles. The idea that God wants us to be wealthy came around the time of Napoleon Hills' book "think and grow rich" and it infiltrated the church slowly but surely. This is the opposite of the message of Jesus. There is not one Bible story where a man tells God what his selfish desires are and God grants them. God directs the men who submit their wills to him not the other way around. This is the problem with word of faith. It turns the Gospel upside down, and pastors become motivational speakers.

JP does a great job at picking apart others, maybe he should turn the mirror to himself. Most people that hear that nonsense JP says and doesn't study out the truth, that in itself helps keep hus twisted logic alive. But thank you Rod for your studies.

Evidence is good. This vessel is just wanting to point out. 19They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. Justin Peters, Rod Saunders, Mike Winger just some names. Are they of us? Because the true question wnd the final question I want to know during my stay on earth is. Are there WoF teachers who are Christians? I believe so and I have some names but Im not going to name them. I named all those names because for one I dont want to bias you Rod and say youre not a Christian nor the others. Those are my two cents.

Discernment ministers a sad copy of William Branham . My question is why God has not sent to earth another man like William Branham that raised people from the dead , miracles , signs and wonders ? Never we have seen a ministry like his again. I am from México . We have seen all kinds of quacks but never someone like William Branham . Why???

Thanks for this Rod. Looking at that Kenneth Copeland quote in the context of this discussion, would you agree that the "pre-incarnate" Christ is the Word of God. After all, John 1 says that in the beginning was the word and that the "word became flesh and dwelt among us". This is my view on the matter. I think the pre-incarnate Christ is the Word of God. Before Jesus was born in the flesh, there was no "Jesus, the son of God". Would you agree?

I’d listen/subscribe more, but the commercials are distracting.

Jew and Greek, I am so glad I found you. I am a Baptist born, Baptist bred, and Baptist educated (BM, MA, ThM, ThD) Charismatic Apologist, and have been one for about 45 years. I thought I was almost alone in that adventure. My problem with WOF is not Christology, so much as a redefinition of pistis. Faith is essentially trust and is only as good as the object of that trust. It is not an independent force, but a dependent trust. It can be grown by exercise only because we learn to trust Him as we grow in Him.

The Father is eternal but not begotten Jesus is eternal but begotten The Holy Spirit is eternal but proceeds -St. John Damascus

It seems that u support d NAR & WOF movement & practices, so u r d same as these false teachers. Birds with d same feathers flock together.

I believe you are getting closer, we need a live debate with him. that is my challenge to you Rod, hope you will take it

Jesus himself even said to the Father "let me share the glory with you *before the world began*. in john 17:5

Good work Rod!! When word of faith teachers never confront heretic hunters like Justin Peters, they lead many into the same cessationist ditch they are stuck in (refusing to "teach them to do all that I commanded you" which includes cast out demons, heal the sick, or speak in tongues which their beloved KJV bible declares are supernatural signs that will follow Christ's disciples -- and sadly NEVER follow John Calvin's disciples).

I wish he would just agree to sit down and talk with you. The unwillingness to do so is an indictment of character.

If any charismatic said they believed in baby baptism. Peter's,, Mcky, and the gang would be crying out heresy all over the place

I'm a little confused. 😕 Is this a parody or are you and JP actually debating in real time? 🤔

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom he have crucified, both Lord and Christ."(Acts2:36)

JP spends a fair amount of his time trying to debunk the existence of Jesus as the eternal God. Boy, is he going to be in for a surprise when he sees Jesus at the judgement seat!

Creating Christ can only be taken as a reference to the incarnation if you're trying to make it fit for the sake of defending the heretic who taught it.

If JP speaks at a place close to you hope you can sit on the front row where he can see ya. Just wondering if he would try to get you removed. As he likes to sneak in to WoF meetings

Wondering if he is a cessationist?

Well anyway. that Problem between Michael and these Principalities was another thing that happened during the time of the circumcision. But however these principalities in high places were disputing over Moses' "Body" which in reality was the evil principalities were actually wanting the destroy god's people Israel because that is what they were disputing over.---- that's what Moses' body was: it would be like the expression "Jacob's Trouble" is referring to gods people Israel. And today the body of Christ is God's people the gentiles that Paul precached to. Anyway I'm sort of off of the subject. but we're supposed to judge people's fruit to see what sort it is, and then we need to expose false teachers, and that's what we Christians need to do. I am not afraid to call people out: people like mike Murdock, and Kenneth copland; or Jesse Duplantis because they are deceiving people, and I am not guilty for that especially in this age of Grace. I am not afraid and i don't need to be guilty for anything. I would prove it by being a martyr for christ because I'm not scared --- I would go right now. I'm going to heaven when I die, and hopefully now. Or maybe the rapture will happen either way. Nobody can trust these wicked people, and people need to be warned. I'm not going to play with these people --- I don't need to respect false teachers. Anyway however: I wish them no harm, I want to help them to change --- there is no gratification for me to grind them down and make them look foolish --- I get no kicks from that; no glory at all. so I want to help them because even the lost people you can't save them by killing them, no you either do one or ther other.. Paul only talks about the day of the lord a few times in his writings, here is one in 1st Corinthians chapter 5; 5 where it says during the day of the lord which is the 7 year tribulation: to destroy the body to save the soul, and that was referring to losing one's head, or right hand because otherwise you'd be thrown into hell when Jesus comes back in his second coming like in one of the gospels; Matthew 16: 28, and it the book of revelation chapter 1: 7. Anyway I would always pray for these false teachers that they would change to help them. And so that's what justin Peters does in his Ministry. Although what I don't like about Justin P. And Christ Rosebrough is they use False versions of the bible which are Catholic Versions which are false. Anyway Listen to Richard Jordon, or David Reid; or Justin Johnson because they are good teachers that would tell you what I've said. Also Les Feldick, and Robert Breaker. Sorry about the capitals: my keyboard doesn't like Capitals, but I put them over-and-over and sometimes they are not anyway, and I get tired of fighting my hand and my keyboard, and so there may not be capitals where everybody knows darn well that there should be, and I don't like going back into it and fixing it when these errors keep appearing so my keyboard don't work --- don't like getting so that it would be right.. so there are no capitals even if there should be sometimes. sorry.

Perry Stone Word of Faith? That's a man I'll only touch with a long pole theology wise. No disrespect meant.

Thank You so much brother, Rod, I'm glad that Brother Justin Peters is starting to address you directly. Now, maybe I'm being too naive but I'm praying that Brother Justin may be healed in the hope that it will bring unity to the body of Christ. I do admit that error does exist but the way it is being addressed by the discernment world brings division. God is still moving and if He moves in Brother Justin's life maybe that can open room for all of us to build one another in our most holy faith. There is One Body of Christ and One Spirit. If I'm being naive help me, brother Rod, I'd appreciate your input.

If anybody want to learn how to do apologetics not me ask brother Rob he is perfect he don't diminish people he let you dig your own ditch

Seriously, these people need to take off their heresey hunters goggles. When all you are looking for is false teaching, that's what you'll see. I see it over and over again when it's not really there.

I grew up in a family that started their Christian journey by watching many WOF preachers on TV. I have never heard any of them teach Jesus was a created being or was ever taught that by my parents who watched them at the time. My parents went on to become more aligned with reformed theology, however none of their current disagreements with WOF doctrine ever surrounded Jesus not being God, or being created. That is a first for me.

Satan is trying to accuse the brethren why are you trying to stop him lol.

Hey, brother Rod. Love your Biblically sound and balanced approach to the issues you’ve been addressing so far. May the Almighty God reward you richly in Jesus’ name. I’d like to know when you’ll be given opportunity to address the Billy Graham controversy. It’s sad that many of our fellow Christian brothers and sisters still believe in those false accusations made against Billy Graham, from “he’s a Freemason” to “he said all religion leads to heaven in an interview.” If there’s a way to clear up those controversies, especially for the sake of the many whose lives have been greatly touched by Billy Graham’s evangelistic life and message, please do. I look forward to hearing your response. God bless you, brother.