Was Kobe Bryant ACTUALLY BETTER Than Shaq?!! 

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People who never watched the Lakers don’t understand how often Kobe abandoned the offense to take bad shots

*Molly tries to make a point towards the end* COJ:" BUT ANYWAY THATS BASICALLY IT ON THAT"😂

"Stephen A has the body of a Christmas turkey." LOL

It’s crazy how nobody argues about Magic and Kareem about whose rings are whose. You just say they both won 5 rings on the Lakers and none of their rings are diminished because they played with the other person. But it’s completely different with Kobe and Shaq.

Big men were made to dominate the nba, awards, titles, before Jordan and after Jordan until the rule changes.

Kobe fans in the comment section HOT.. 😂😂😂

Bill Russell is my 2nd Greatest player behind Jordan bcuz his success as a Basketball player is undeniable. Like Bill Russell said when asked "who would you pick between yourself, MJ and Wilt?" Bill Russell responded "I take Bill Russell, bcuz I will never distort your offense or your defense, the way I play, my team wins" In other words Bill Russell is saying he is the Greatest team player in the history of Pro-Basketball and the 11 rings in 13 years proves it!

Another point about Bill Russell is it's been said that he was the reason that blocked shots began to be recorded.

Max saying Kobe is the most overrated and underrated player is the best description of Kobe I've ever heard!

Kobe needs a great center to win in Shaq and a good center in Gasol to win. Same can be said that Shaq needs a great guard to win as well.

Jordan never had a all star center

It's a shame Dwight has such a limited offense considering that he had access to Hakeem Olajuwon and Kevin Mchale. Also, I think Kareem said something about Dwight not taking his advice.

“The body of a Christmas turkey”😂🤣😂🤣

You talking about shaq made me go back and watch that disrespectful dunk he did on chris Dudley 😂😂😂😂

Kobe is easily the second best at his position all-time.

My brotha back!

Your work is truly valuable…Is there Any back up channel ? Just in case..you know

Nothing to debate, Shaq 3x MVP Finals. Most dominant player ever. 2000-2001 top 5 in 5 categories. Quadruple Doubles for Shaq.

the fact that this video even exists is disrespectful lol. Shaq wasnt just bigger than everyone, he did actually have skills but neither of them would've 3peated without the other one.

21:19 bro are u serious ? 😂 u juss compared the years that Kobe had from 2004-05 to 2006-07 to shaq with penny hardaway and Eddie Jones who were all star guards and and top 5 at their position??? Kobe second best player in Lamar Odom in his first year with the lakers played 64 games and his second year played 60+ games... u never take anything into context... 😂 like I try to listen and be reasonable with what u say but u simply juss hate Kobe 😂 if Kobe had an all star player at any position at the level Of a penny hardaways talent I guarantee you he would’ve been in the playoffs for one and 2nd he would’ve made deep playoffs runs...

Its just very important how you crush Steve A everytime

Kobe is overrated by his biggest supporters and underrated by his biggest detractors. Dude is legit the 2nd greatest shooting guard of all time. The only reason the Lakers got through the Duncan-Robinson Spurs in 2002 is because Phil make Shaq defer to Kobe so he could abuse their pathetic excuse of a backcourt. Kobe pulled his fair share of the weight in that 3peat, Shaq just happened to pull his weight in the finals, because there was no center in the East that could even look him in the eye, let alone actually contend with him.

COJ you really need to make a reddit account to shut some of these Kobe fanboys up.

In Kobes defense, he wasn't allowed to be the lead guy because the triangle was built through Shaq. Not to mention Kobe was still ascending and maturing as a player but I get your perspective of how you view Kobe.

Pau was considered great for how long that's crazy kobe elevated that man but gets criticism for it instead of credit

Prime Shaq would be killing in this era as well.

Bill Russell created the fast break

“His body didn’t turn u on enough” 😆😆

If Shaq could shoot 70 to 75 percent from the line, he would have had seasons averaging close to 40 points a game if not that

You keep saying how Kobe always needed a great big man well Shaq always needed a 25ppg scoring guard and for all his Championships he played with 2 of the 3 best Shooting Guards of all time Kobe and Wade Kobe was able to get rings with his 2nd best player averaging 18ppg in Pau Gasol you don't wanna bring up Kobe carrying a bunch of scrubs to the Playoffs back to back in 06 and 07 hence as to why you wanna bring up Phil Jackson but guess what MJ had Phil Jackson even when Kobe missed the playoffs in 2005 and he had Rudy Tomjanovic as his coach he missed 22 games that year and the team finished 34-48 the next year he plays 80 games averaging 35ppg and they win 45 games and make the playoffs no coincidence right Kobe was also able to get to the playoffs with Mike Brown and Mike Dantoni in year 16 and year 17 before his Achilles tear out of a much tougher conference I'm pretty sure if Kobe was in the Weak East he could get to the Finals with Erik Spoelstra and Ty Lue as coaches as well so stop it there and I definitely would take Kobe over Duncan you mention he has the most 50 win seasons in NBA History awesome but what if I told you Kobe is #1 All Time in Eliminating the most 50 win teams in NBA History with a 25-10 Record.. exactly

shaq

This is a very subjective question and is just really a matter of one's taste. Respectfully COJ, your top 10 favors Big Men and I can understand that. But, Shaq won nothing without great guard play let's not forget that. It is no coincidence that he had Kobe and DWade for his chips. And, not forgetting that Orlando Magic team with Penny, DScott, Nick Anderson etc. The fact of the matter is that Kobe and Shaq needed each other. Even after Shaq left Kobe needed skilled big men to get him 2 more chips (Gasol, Bynum). I'm no Kobe fan boy but I do believe that the media takes unwanted shots at him because he is the closest guard we've seen to MJ...and that ruffles alot of feathers and makes people uncomfortable. And, let's not act like MJ wasn't a "shot jacker" as well. I saw many nights when MJ would take about 40 shots to get his 50 points...but because he was MJ no one cared. But, when Kobe did it he was maligned for it.

I know exactly what you mean 8-25, game 6, 2000 NBA finals. No one ever brings up those stats. And I think he finished 8-28

23 still solid 😅 still on

Shaq was one of the most dominant players ever and Kobe was great they won 3 some people can’t win 1

Lol it seems that when it comes to Kobe you give him no room for error and that also shows what standard you hold him to but yikes bro cut a brother some slack he was you said he was bad in the pistons finals bu shaq got swept by hakeem lol I get it a lot o fan boys go hard for Kobe so you feel you gotta tell them some facts but Kobe definitely it’s top 5 you give all these other players a well rounded assessment but I feel you leave somethings out of the argument like these years with out Phil Jackson he has smush Parker and kwame brown come on buddy who else was gonna take the shot? Lol and if you don’t count the years Kobe was on the bench and the years after his achilles he has the same stats as Jordan and LeBron you always say don’t tell the narrative they want you to believe tell the truth and you leaving out a lot of your assessment Kobe was double and tripled team Kobe has also made a lot of ppl want to play basketball not to the level of Jordan but he took the torch and kept it going shaq even said Kobe was a better individual player than him lol you can’t refute that

max knows what he talking about

What Stephen A. is saying is what I am saying, is that Shaq wasnt a game closer...Closing moments, you need someone to close and Kobe closed! That is why I agree with Judah that MJ and Wilt would have one pretty much every year because Jordan is the greatest closer in the history of Pro-Basketball!

Kobe won two without Shaq.

6/24

My question still remains and the question should be, would Shaq had one three consecutive championships along with three consecutive finals MVP'S without "Kobe" ?

right, YOUR LIST

So is the debate horry or jordan. Define great or goat

I agree with you about 95% This is the 5%...

Didnt Shaq get swept out of the post season 4 out of 5 times before kobe started for the Lakers? Asking for a friend. 🤔🤔🤔

5:02 lmao facts though

Have to be completely delusional to even fathom the question ; Shaq was above unique in the dominance dept ... UNIQUE ! Just imagine a Shaq with a sense of managing his health & body à la LeBron James ; UNREAL !!!!

he said he'll take Kobe

Something had to happen between the both of them - Kobe and Shaq want everyone to either pick sides or deal with him vs. Shaq... the NBA tried to do the same thing with LeBron vs. Kyrie Irving - it's stupid... I personally think both Shaq/Kobe love this and get off on fans remembering them because that's what they crave.... Both Shaq and Kobe left a lot on the table when it came to rings and potential... Kobe got hurt but he could have had 2 more titles alone had he been a more complete player or unselfish.

They built around Kobe and won championships... 🤷‍♂️

See I’d love to debate you bro. I’m from the UK but if we can something together I’d love to debate you.

The only reason the Fakers got past the Kings in 2002 is the corrupt refs which has been proven.

Bruh Magic never won without Kareem. You a hater dude just come on out bruh. Many players did the things that you say Kobe did. You have an issue clearly

Kobe Bryant is the only top 75 player to win back to back rings Finals MVP without another Top 75 player. People keep acting like Pau Gasol was a world beater or some shit. Pau Gasol was not as elite as he was until he teamed up with Kobe. Kobe Bryant has an argument for one of the greatest five year stretches in NBA history 06 to 10. Also the efficiency argument is so over blown because out of all those early 2000 guys who were also inefficient. None of and I mean none of them played defense as well as Kobe. In the first three peat with Shaq there are so many clutch plays on offense and defense that Kobe had that allowed them to win so often. This is not to say that Shaq wasn’t the best or undisputed. I just think your notion of saying Duncan is most disrespected player is wrong, it’s Kobe. For you to not see an argument for Kobe Bryant to be considered a top 10 player of all time, just sounds like hate or you are surrounded by irrational Kobe fans. How can a player be so highly regarded by his contemporaries. People who played in the NBA. Who know more about the game than any of us be so disrespected by people in the media.

Lebrun just gon' get you traded

100 Percent i watched kobe michael and lebron and shaq kobe was robin for those first 3 titles

Fuck no. Shaq was the superior. Kobe was prime later after shaq left. Its so obvious.

I would say the lakers with Pau and no shaq probably would win against every finals opponent t2000-2002, but you're right no way they would beat the spurs and kings 3 consecutive years

Bruh not all Lakers fans pick Kobe over Tim Duncan. Hell, EVEN BRUCE BOWEN SAIDS KOBE IS OVER TIM DUNCAN! I rather listen to players than media sports. The fact that there is no context to about Kobe shows you absolutely hate Kobe and stop disrespecting him. This is ridiculous. Imagine if Del Harris didn't hold back Kobe, imagine if Kobe didn't have half of his injuries. Kobe had at least 22 injuries in total. And the fact that he still surpassed Jordan in points despite that shows greatness. In my objective opinion when its all said and done, Kobe is top 2 and people need to use extra context because while stats don't lie, they also don't tell the whole story. Also, Kobe was the best player in the 2000s era not Shaq or Tim Duncan.

Not exactly. The Lakers were having a good season before the Gasol trade.

It took a better player than Penny for Shaq to win 3 with LA

Is Pau Gasol a hall of famer? An argument could be made.

I like Stephen point, the true players has more work to set the big guys up to just finish up.... Kobe = the best player on that team Shaq= the best at doing what he does Conversation on whose better between a big guy or a smaller guy is alil dumb in my opinion #fuckthebullshit lol

I believe the consensus was Kobe was the best player in the league from maybe 2007-2010. Maybe 2011. If you look at any video with players, coaches, GM's, analysts, etc talking about who's the best player between that time frame, pretty much all of them were saying Kobe. Even LeBron James himself (Especially during that 2008-2010 period).

Prime Shaq winning titles with Eddie Jones, Van Exel, , Glen Rice if Phil there no Kobe! Shaq beat 61 win Sonics team with Kobe scoring total11 points combined over 3 games in 30 minutes played in the entire series they won 4-1 in 1998 kobe 1st all star season! Like respect Shaq

The arguments made here doesn't make sense. It could easily be said that Shaq never won a finals MVP or season MVP without Kobe. It's often stated that Kobe created the beef between them but why was Shaq so quick to say that Miami was Wade's team when he moved. Shaq was NEVER the centerpiece of any team after he left LA. Kobe was more than an offensive player. He was first team defense 9X. But let's look at his offense, which is currently at 4th. Is Melo, McGrady, or any of his offensive contemporaries even close. MJ never won without Phil, would you take Shaq over MJ? Duncan never won without Pop, who is considered one of the greatest coaches all time. He played in the same system for his entire career. You can have your opinion but your argument doesn't make much sense. KOBE is a top ten all time player!

16:44 I have Hakeem at No.7 on my list, when you look at his playoff run and the amount of great teams he beat, he should be way higher than No.9

He’ll know not Kobe, go look and see how dominant Shaq was. Kobe are 3 off Shaq’s plate

kobe didn't get double teamed

25L38 I would take Hakeem Olajuwon over many elite guards of all time

Bill Russell was great during a time when the NBA was white. Not to say he wasn't a talent but his athleticism was so far ahead of his majority white counterparts it taints his accomplishments. EVERYONE could leap in the late 80's to now... Just like the NFL... it was once all white and non athletic too. It is what it is...

I'd take Robert horry over shaq how about that cause shaq that great

what happened when Kobe taxed mj ass, and it would've been the same with a younger mj

If you're starting a team, who do you take? Only an idiot would take Kobe over Shaq.

Ofcourse he was

The hate for Kobe on your channel is egregious. Kobe is a champion.

I disagree with the level of esteem with which you view Bill Russell. When he played, there were only about 8 teams in the league and most of the best players were on his team. His field goal percentage was in the 30’s as a center. I know that that wasn’t an analytics driven era, but that’s still terrible. Also, he averaged fewer than 20 points per game over the course of his career. I think he deserves respect as a pioneer of the game, but I don’t believe that he’s one of the best to ever play.

Kobe played his entire career in the West and a backcourt mate in Derek Fisher, sub par...Kobe is easily 2-5 top player ever. MVP is a popularity contest. Kobe was more skilled than your enitre list for except probably MJ and Hakeem.... that's arguable but I'll concede to that. Less physical prowess than most but still as dominant. Raw basketball skills wise Kobe is top 2-5 easily. And he is a 5x winner. You mention his % without context. Lebron shoots high % but his game weakens late in the 4th. You want your best player soften up when you need him most? Kobe is highly skilled and an assassin from anywhere always! Also Lakers we balling but Bynum went down that's why Pau was needed....we dont know what MJ would've done without Phil either.

Superman have a weakness

nope, shaq said himself that he (shaq) fucked up by demanding to get paid to jerry buss

KOBE had more Dr. J. in him than Michael Jordan.

D Wade a better player than Penny

I understand your point of view but I think Steven A answered the question concisely. You may not like the answer but in the modern era of basketball, great centers have often relied on great guards/wings to get them easy baskets. Wilt doesn't win without Robertson/West, Kareem doesn't win without Robertson/Magic, Shaq doesn't win without Kobe/Wade and this was proven in Orlando. As great as Penny was and as dominant as Shaq was, they were still swept by Olajuwan and company (including Clyde Drexler - one of the all-time great shooting guards). In those finals, Hakeem & Shaq pretty much cancelled each other out. You have to stop with the pettiness regarding Kobe's shooting percentage. You mentioned the 5/28 performance in the finals but all great players have bad shooting night. Including the highly esteemed GOAT. Jordan shot 9/26 in the 98 Finals vs the Jazz. Does that diminish his greatness? There are more examples of those instances. It happens. It's part of the game. Regarding, Kobe vs. Duncan, would you not have to give credit to Coach Popovich regarding Tim Duncan's success with the Spurs in the same way you credit Phil Jackson for Kobe's success? We never saw Duncan play under any other coach so it's speculation to automatically assume Duncan guarantees 50 wins and a shot at the Finals. I've said it before and I will continue to say so: Shaq & Kobe were a partnership. Shaq was the Hub and FMVP because he was a household name. Lakers don't 3-Peat without Kobe. And there is a fairly legit argument for Kobe being awarded the FMVP in the 2001 Finals. Anyway, great video as usual. Peace.

I had to pause the once the time duncan part came lol so you're telling me time duncan wasnt the same as kobe in the mannerism that his coach elevated his game better than it would have been without him . I feel without pop tim Duncan wouldnt have had as much playoff success as he did because he knew how to make players play past their expectations

Chronicles my brotha. Everyone universally knows Shaq was a liability at the ft line how can you say that’s nitpicking? Plus you nitpick everything about Kobe just stop lol.

Let's just say one could shoot a free throw and despite how much I love the other one.. the other one couldn't. Actually KOBE> lebron all time, Kobe a better shooter, better defender, better dribbler, better footwork, more sports physco, more sports assass*in, played for longer in an era with real defense and never even tried to make a superteam.. and by the way..one more championship.

bro are you a socialist?you sound like a comrade... love your basketball analysis!

Kobe wasn't better than Shaq in his first 3 rings, although Shaq was just slightly better. Kobe needed Shaq to win and Shaq needed Kobe to win. Funny how you never mention that Kareem and Magic both needed each other to win, one has 2 finals mvps and one has 3 finals mvps and you criticize Kobe's rings bruh 😂. I agree fully with your other takes. In their primes, Shaq was better too and I can say that I can see why you don't have Kobe in your top 10, even though I do.

Disrespect, Kobe not top 5 😑😑

Bruh you just hate kobe. Yeah Shaq was the only constant in those 3 teams you talking about but let's be real d Wade carried him to his last and final ring. Shaq was lazy. He was dominate but he was also lazy. Kobe ain't winning those rings without Shaq but that goes the other way around too.

Kobe basketball God

The first chip was Shaq team and he was the clear guy. But the second chip on it 1a and 1b. But kobe when on to have the better career

I’ll put Kobe over Duncan because for the same reason you day Kobe needs Phil. How do we know that Duncan winning 50 plus games wasn’t because of Pop.

Tim duncan sat his ass on the bench a lot

Your videos have been demonitized, You don't have to troll for views no more... Stop the madness Judah.

The system went through Shaq point blank period at that moment..if you watched Kobe then how are you going against his greatness..?? The guy put mad work in..if kobe didnt have shaq kobe would be the Leagues all time scoring leader passing kareem..he would of have the touches that shaq got..just imagine??? 💯 u passed hating bruh u got something personal pushing this agenda

We still like Kobe fool

Its amazing they hate Kobe so bad they compare Kobe to a center and a teammate lol...Shaq would have been 1 no matter who he played with but Kobe bailed him out many times after Shaq was useless due to fouls and or free throws....

Shaq had much more help on those other teams unlike kobe....Penny Hardaway and others on the magic and then D wade in Miami he had good talent around him Kobe didn't