Was Montague Druitt Jack the Ripper? w/ Jonathan Hainsworth & Christine Ward-Agius 

It was not him, his name should never have been put in a suspect list. It was absolutely not him!

@@0021cam Yeah I agree but sadly some of the source's that put him on the list seem to have been his family. He'd had that problem with his teaching job & afterwards everything seem to spiral out of control but putting him in the frame as a Ripper suspect is simply ridiculous.

Hmm interesting, you think it was 5 different people?

i love all the theories, but yes, down to it, it was someone who did not matter, just like he saw these women he murdered.

That's the reality. It's some screwed up low class guy, who I think wanted to be caught. It's probably not some upper class guy like the movies would have you believe. The FBI profile suggests that he is working class and a loner.

Defo a normal guy who is messed up! He's not a gentleman serial killer like the movies would have you believe. But him being a nobody isn't entertaining. The people want a suspect who is more the Cape and top hat 🎩 , moving about in the London fog than a boring working class guy.

I tend to agree, but what makes Druitt interesting is he fits the profile best.. At least my profile (lol).. So, I think it’s someone who mirrored Druitt’s downward spiral, who as you say is lost to history.. Gotta be at least a dozen dudes like that in the East end at that time..

Given the information available on Lechmere, that he was caught red-handed over a victim and was able to bluff his way out of it, I really can't see why anyone else even bothers to make an argument for anyone else at this point.

@@harryanderson7282 DNA. I take my statement back. I think with the DNA evidence they found on the semen stain on one of the victims shawl, I think the case is closed. It wasn't Lechmere, it was who the police suspended all along.

@@harryanderson7282 He wasn’t seen leaning over the victim. That’s that nonsense documentary you watched.

William Carter, A press report citing Paul said Cross was leaning over the body. It wasnt made up by the documentary. However, regardless of the truth, Lechmere WAS seen by someone else lingering and acting suspiciously right near the body of one of the victims at or near the time of death and with nobody else in sight or sound. This is undisputed fact. No other suspect has that against them.

I'm hearing Most Notorious is a disinfo/propaganda opperation. Jack the Ripper was, Aaron Kosminski.

I agree. I think he was a local guy who drank in the pubs until around closing time and killed on his way home. In my opinion, JtR had to have intimate knowledge of the neighborhood, how to kill and slip away through various rooming houses via backyards. That said, I have a lot of respect for Jonathan Hainsworth's research as I believe he has clarified a chapter of the JtR saga. It is possible that Druitt was a false confessor. Police today work very hard to be able to sort out false confessions. (Interestingly, Following the black Dahlia murder in 1947 Los Angeles, a number of WOMEN tried to falsely confess. False confession is another rabbit hole of psychology that is poorly understood.) Hainsworth is careful to say his work only explains what Victorians were thinking at the time. So far as I know, his work has never described Druitt in the act or murder or escape, nor tried to draw connections between the five victims and Druitt. Some of the most valuable material on JtR is peripheral work that deep dives into segments of the life and times of JtR. In this regard, Hainsworth's book is very valuable. Personally, I think Druitt must have had a severe bi-polar condition with alternating mania and depression. He may well have lost time, especially if he was consuming alcohol. Perhaps he imagined that he was JtR. Could he have picked up enough knowledge through his legal career, that he did know things otherwise not made public? It looks to me that his family did not understand mental illness, an issue still with us today. Their concept was epileptic mania, the ability to commit murder while in a blackout condition. It makes perfect sense that they truly believed Monte was JtR.

The murders stopped when Aaron Kosminsky was commited to an asylum by his family (he was violent , psychotic & they'd become afraid of him) . The lead Detective always believed it was Kosminsky.

​@@annalisette5897thats a good theory that he drinks until closing and becomes more violent and kills on his way home, and through shear luck wasn't caught.

I think it’s significant that there was a very popular production of Jekyll & Hyde at the time. Druit’s family was of the theater going class and almost certainly were aware of it, there was even a theory going around that the lead actor was JTR. The idea that a decent, upper class man could black out and commit terrible crimes was very much in the forefront of people’s minds. It’s not surprising that his family believed this was what was going on with the ripper killings and made the logical but incorrect conclusion.

Absolutely.

This Montague druitt theory is so weak. And Charles cross doesn't hold much water either. There was a man named Nathan Kaminsky who was caged in an asylum days after Mary Kelly was slaughtered. He was identified by a witness but the witness would not testify bc nathan was a fellow jew. Who ever this "nathan Kaminsky" was I would really like to see what he looked like.

⁠Look at the history of serial killers. Find one that had success for long periods of time acting like a raving lunatic. Psychopaths don’t work like that. They’re masters of blending in, planning, manipulation and deception. This asylum patient theory is a melodramatic Victorian misconception of the psychology of this man.

⁠Guys like this that end up raving maniacs in lunatic asylums don’t make good serial killers. Serial killers are always psychopaths. Psychopaths are people who are good at blending in, manipulation & deception. Pretending to be something they are not.

His own ego.

There is a widespread acceptance that 'Dear Boss' letters were hoaxes. Conjured up by a journalist named Bulling and his editor Moore to boost newspaper sales - which it did!

@@lizach1510 if dear boss was a hoax,why then did the metropolitan police put posters up around east London asking 'any person recognising the handwriting is requested to communicate with the nearest police station. Why was that Liz?

@@leslierock5005 Yes, they did that at the time but discovered within a couple of years that it had been conjured up by a couple of journalists. This is well documented in the soundly researched books on this subject

@@lizach1510 really? The thing is for me,fasmiles of dear boss and the saucy jack post card were put up in posters around east end on the 4 oct.how did this journalist know that one of eddowes ears was cut off.wasnt known to the public when the saucy jack post card was received by the police

Might be worth actually reading the book and analyzing the sources yourself rather than just bagging someone's work. This seems to be a forum for ill informed Ripperologists rather than people who are bothering to hold an open mind, read and analyze in a scholarly manner.

Kaminsky yes, David no. Nathan. He went by David Cohen, many Jewish immigrants did so because of Victorian London prejudices against Jews, immigrants and the mentally disabled. He was a known public masterbater. He was not named a suspect until 1987 and there is no evidence against him. www.casebook.org/suspects/davidcohen.html

I have to agree with Onion T... there are too many coincidences within the life and times of Charlie Lechmere to ignore or continue to regard them as coincidence concerning Ripper..

I think the ripper was this "nathan kamisnky" we never get to see. He was identified by a man but never testified bc he was also a jew. I wish I could see a picture of him and my gut might tell me.

@@markchristian3249 It could well have been Kaminsky

Kosminski us a way better suspect than Kaminski they said Kosminski not Kaminski so why would u go with the alternative thats dumb. Litchmmire is nit that good a suspect that one knucklehead argues his case and everything I give him something baclhe ignores what I say. Somone had to find a body he was normally walking to work at that time so it's not unusual that he wad put and about at that tike.

Hi rather than just making such sweeping dismissive statements of their work, why not say who you think JTR is, and what of their claims are incorrect/weak? I’ve read their book and find the arguments compelling

@@stephenbitmead8073 James Allen Lechmere aka James Allen Cross. He told the witness who saw him with the body that he had just found it. He lied to the first policeman he saw, "A policeman wants you." instead of "I found a body." There was no other policeman.(until later) He said he was late to work without giving his name and left hurriedly. (He was not questioned). A newspaper interviewed the witness who recounted the events exactly as they happened. Lechmere then attended the inquest to refute the witness's account . He gave the inquest his alias, (Cross), but made the mistake of giving his correct address. This fact was not caught until 2005, when younger JRT enthusiasts began fact checking instead of relying on the same tired opinions from the last 100+ years. He lied on the stand saying that he had never seen any policeman. The policeman who reported their conversation was suspected of lying then and now. The policeman was telling the truth but his reputation never recovered. All murders occurred on his daily route or his route to visit his mother and daughter. Druitt is indeed an old theory despite what these folks say. He was thoroughly cleared at the time, which is verifiably documented and thoroughly scrutinized this century, dismissing him as a suspect. There was a reason for his suicide that these folks conveniently omitted from this interview. Many older ripperologists, (Mostly in the UK), get outright angry when dusty theories are presented as new but it is crucial part of entering the JRT community to examine all theories for oneself. I have been on my JRT journey since 1977 and my first twenty years were spent getting excited, (and believing), every "new" theory. I grew tired once i began researching for myself and found verifiable facts discounting each and every one of them. I realized that these theories used words and phrases such as, "possibly", I think that", "He could have" or "she could have" if you follow the three suspects for the Jill the ripper theories. When Lechmere came along I was stunned because out of over 300 suspects, his name was never mentioned. Records identified him as Cross. I began researching and I couldn't discount Lechmere. In fact, others and I began uncovering other incriminating details though none as compelling as the original 2010 research.. .

@@TiaMargarita the weakest of all the jack suspects.... just one silly swedish doc maker.

@@TiaMargarita Ridiculous suspect

@@TiaMargarita Lechmere can also be linked to the torso murders.

Yeah, that made me chuckle. The last thing you'd want to discuss with an Australian is Cricket!

And an aggressive debater 🙄

It was Kosmindku. They found his blood drops on one of the victims and did a DNA.

Could’ve even been a policeman, you wouldn’t suspect one of them creeping about in dark,foggy alley ways.

@@SubRosa33 . Of all the documentaries I’ve watched, and books I’ve read, I’ve always thought it was him.

We can find out. Although Aaron's semen being found on one of the victims pretty much narrows it down. I think Druitt was one of about 2-3 serial killers wandering around at the time.

The DNA has been discredited and no evidence Eddowes even had such a shawl on her.

@@lyndoncmp5751 discredited? Where? When? I honestly wasn't aware

Yes, the DNA claim failed to be peer reviewed and it all fell apart pretty soon after the claim. Also, in the detailed police list of all the clothing and possessions found with Eddowes, there is no mention of such a shawl.

@@malcolmjelani3588 the DNA evidence was discredited

I don't understand your point. The description of Eddows last client looks like Druitt? Look at a photograph of Druitt and it matches the description of Druitt. Doesn't that help prove his point it was Druitt? Apologies if I've misunderstood your point. As it goes I don't think it was Druitt.

Thank you for your reply and I think you did miss something. I have just reread my original post and realise that I omitted a detail: the description of the man seen by the witness included a fair moustache.

@@philipskalla4312 I've reread it, i get what your saying. Thanks for replying.

link not found. pls clarify or correct

@@juliao1255 hi Julia, what is it u would like me to clarify or correct,thank you

Not that Druitt is my fav suspect, but I believe it is that Druitt’s father was a doctor who would have taught him.

@@DannyDGeorgia Why would his father have taught him how to locate the uterus? I've known a number of sons of doctors. Their fathers expected them to learn such things in medical school, if they chose the profession. Frankly, I can't imagine a Victorian Dad sitting down with his son for a talk about the facts of life, including the location of the uterus.

With not a jot of evidence. They simply thought the ripper must be a foreign madman.

Wasn't he too far gone mentally?JTR was somebody cunning and practical

A scapegoat to hide the true culprit

Have you read their book? Their arguments seem quite strong to me. I will say that they rely on a number of “circumstantial” or hypothesis to further support their case, but the central core seems sound to me.

Gotta agree, its a convincing theory and well argued but there just isn't any substance apart from maybe the connections via friendships. Its very convenient in many places, as you touched on .

@@jakehammond12345 Following this case on and off for decades now and please,I’m no expert.Of course we all have our thoughts and theories on this and it’s always good to discuss..But it’s when someone say’s..‘I’ve looked again and found solid evidence’..Then start to via off into ‘This bloke said this to this other vicar bloke and swore to secrecy’..?Also ‘this is something that this bloke would have done,being the person this bloke is’.?.Then,.how do you know,other than your own theories and thoughts.?.Yes think it,talk about it..But when you say ‘This is who and how and why’..Give proof.Not speculations of conversations and assumed actions.! I’m not saying this author/authors is deliberately misleading people.As I do believe he/they have the right to write and say what they wish on this case..If anything and anyone this author/authors should really listen to what the story they tell really sounds like..Then they might see they maybe just misleading themselves.. Thank you for your reply and all the best.!🇬🇧👍

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Or jacob levy is equally as strong of a candidate

Kosminski is a strong candidate, but if you're basing the oppinion on the DNA evidence, it has been debunked several times. Most recently in 2019 by a team at J. Moore Liverpool U. and the U. Of Leeds in England. I still think he's a strong candidate.

Still a strong candidate an a worthy one, did you know this new research done on Jacob levy is said that the witness to eddowes murder who was Joseph levy is actually now known as Jacob levy’s cousin if you know allot about the case you know that this was the real witness and wasn’t Swartz who didn’t want to testify

The 94 year old stroke victim?

@@Stantheman848 He was 70. He ate grapes on a regular basis. Fit for a man his age..

@@markrymanowski719 you have convinced me

@@Stantheman848 There is only one book with the truth. The ripper and the royals. You may find it on ebay. Thanks.

@@markrymanowski719 Gull was actually in Scotland for a few of the murders. That’s an alibi for him. Ludicrous suspect.