Was Qui Gon Jinn More Powerful Than Mace Windu? - Star Wars Explained

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Would Qui Gon Jinn win in a fight, or a better question, was he more powerful, than Mace Windu?
Two of the most underrated characters in the movies, who unnfortunately didn’t get as much screen time as we’d have liked, would ultimately make for a great conversation in regards to who was the stronger Jedi and duelist.
I’ll first start by explaining the character back stories of both, diving into their unique force powers, and then coming to a final and realistic conclusion to this answer.
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It's a shame we only see Qui Gon in Star Wars Episode 1 The Phantom Menace with Darth Maul and Emperor Palpatine, but his story lives on in the Star Wars EU, books, and comics. I really like the comics, and encourage you to check them out at the book store or library when you're bored on a day off.
Let me know who you think would win. I really appreciate all of your support, thanks so much for watching guys, I'll see you in tomorrow's episode of Star Wars Theory. Take care and MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU!!!

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@shaunrosenberg4568 7 лет назад

Mace is more powerful. He is an underrated character. Remember George Lucas himself said he beat Sidious fair and square.

@Vazcular 7 лет назад

Shaun Rosenberg The novelization sure as hell didn't and that was full canon until the Disney buyout.

@tonp2917 7 лет назад

Show us the link to that explanation from Lucas. Palpatine showed Mace Windu all corners until he knew Anakin was coming. What defeated person would have such a remaining strength to use this powerfull force lightning and push Mace Windu dozens of meters outside the building. I like Mace Windu, he should have had more action in the movies but he was no match for Palpatine.

@King-Hrolf 7 лет назад

Ton Postma revenge of the sith commentary is where Lucas mentions Mace overpowering Palpatine.

@keithwoods1103 7 лет назад

Mace would win. He was simply more powerful. Remember, George Lucas said that Mace defeated Sidious. It wasn't a "fake fight", as the maker of this film implied.

@BoogerLeader 7 лет назад

Lucas already stated that Mace won that match, no need for theories or scene dissections.

@Raumance 7 лет назад

Qui-Qon G most underappreciated jedi.

@thesenate9779 7 лет назад

Raumance He saved Jar Jar tho

@deadshot1808 7 лет назад

Your right Raumance.

@sleepyboi1964 6 лет назад

You misspelled my name :/

@travishibachi 6 лет назад

Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin were also able to become Force ghosts so he wasn't the only one but perhaps the first to do it.

@slay_a_ton9430 6 лет назад

Jedi Jesus lol

@harrisonbaylor1432 4 года назад

I’d rather see a movie for Yoda, Mace, and Qui-Qon each in their primes then this Disney trilogy.

@ianhigson719 4 года назад

Would be cool. Thats why they wont make them

@AnonYmous-ob7py 4 года назад

Mace was arguably still in his prime during the clone wars

@patrickbowe1621 4 года назад

Yea totally a qui qon one would be great ud get to see a younger dooku aswell

@griffingoldstein666 3 года назад

Meh, I feel like they’d be disappointments considering what Disney has given us thus far

@jovickii7396 3 года назад

Mace is in his prime during Clone wars

@diesenutss 7 лет назад

Qui-Gon studied outside the Order and learned how to come back from the fucking dead. I think that says a lot.

@quickspeed5918 7 лет назад

that does not mean that he was more powerful .!

@popcornfilms1 7 лет назад

Lol

@joeman543 6 лет назад

a skill that's only useful once you die. Another reason for Mace to WINdu

@BigBugMania1 7 лет назад

I think Qui Gon was a more powerful Jedi in the sense that he understood the force better than Windu. He was able to keep his spirit and mind together even after death and manifest himself in the force, something that was considered impossible to most Jedi.

@hardknocks5077 Год назад

So did Obi-Wan. Mace windu is probably the most gifted force user in Jedi history. Not only was he mastered in the light of the force but was so proficient in his mastery of the dark side he could use the enemy dark side force against them.. channeling both sides of the force he created his own fighting style. Vaapad. Using both sides of the force is why his saber is purple.. blue+red=purple mace was a different fighter and force user

@swordartonline6719 11 месяцев назад

@@hardknocks5077 He was very talented but Luke takes that win then Yoda then definitely Mace and afterwards probably Revan or Anakin IDK either way either way he was a fairly strong Jedi (Qui Gon).

@jonitawhiteman8441 11 месяцев назад

Nope Plo koon & ki adi mundi & obi wan each are better fighter's than mace windu. They outperformed him in their duels with asajj ventress. Mace windu is the most overrated jedi ev

@swordartonline6719 11 месяцев назад

@@jonitawhiteman8441 Not really since he would have killed Darth Sideous had it not have been for Anakin interfering with there duel all the Jedi you named can’t compete in that level therefore notating at that point in time he was stronger then all of them since some of the Jedi you mentioned were killed by Sideous himself right before that moment.

@jonitawhiteman8441 11 месяцев назад

@@swordartonline6719 🤣🤣🤣u wish

@darthdumbledore3768 7 лет назад

I think mace would have won the lightsaber duel...But I think Qui Gon Jinn was more connected with the force and that's why he was the one able to find the way to immortality through the force and taught it to Yoda and Obi Wan as I think the movies implied. That makes Qui Gon Jinn more powerful in my mind :)

@Bowfella 6 лет назад

Because he used practices the Jedi council deemed "Radical and extreme" when ironically he was the only one not bastardizing the force.

@chezwarrior7425 5 лет назад

Darth Dumbledore same but I have different reasons but I agree with yours

@dianab4494 4 года назад

I agree completely for those reasons and others like how he also sort of like mace understood and didn’t really use the dark side

@patrickkg2846 4 года назад

Mace Windu was so gifted in the force and so powerful, that the jedi thought he was the chosen one (And that was when he was a Padawan. At this age he was more powerful than some MASTERS)

@dragi2476 3 года назад

I think qui gon would win cause when mace brats him and kills him he would be a force ghost and we see that yoda can do things in the real world while being a ghost in part eight 🙃 I hope you can understand me im still learning english :)

@LutaLivre113 7 лет назад

I met Lucas and he said Mace won. Sidious didn't throw the fight.

@jamelgreen9861 7 лет назад

Thank you . I knew Mace Windu beat Darth Sidious.

@Mentallect 7 лет назад

Exactly, and the author keeps bringing up the fake theory Sidious threw the fight. That is very idiotic. A sith lord putting himself at the mercy of a Anakin who had just betrayed him to the Jedi Order, and who might just as easily allowed Windu to kill him? Nonsensical. Windu defeated Sidious.

@LutaLivre113 7 лет назад

Mentallect EXACTLY! I don't see a Sith Lord throwing his life to chance.

@kerryr.8111 7 лет назад

@ Dirty Harry Mace won.... even Lucas confirmed it himself on the DVD and its in the novelization ... he (Mace) used Vaapad which used the dark force against its opponent... the more Sidious channeled the dark side, the more of the upper hand Mace got...

@janmantsch6675 7 лет назад

I think sidious underastemated Mace and was confused that mace got stronger diuring their fight i think the Balance of Power was like this 1. Mace=Sidious evidence both are testing their streghts 2. Mace>Sidious sidious is backing up almost all of the time hedding back or standing in one place 3. Mace>>sidious sidious on the flor beging vor merci

@lonewanderer7926 7 лет назад

What I would have liked to see was Qui-gon and Mace teaming up. Now that would have made for one powerful Jedi duo.

@kylelarsonfan4257 7 лет назад

I agree Qui used the force as a religion an mace was a warrior

@wanderlustwarrior 4 года назад

I think they could've been good influences on each other if they actually had conversations (as equals) about the Force and balance without lives immediately on the line.

@Justaguywholikes69 7 лет назад

you should do a video on all the fighting styles of the Jedi, and Sith

@kaeson359 7 лет назад

That would be awesome! He's given a few of them brief mentions, but a dedicated video would be really cool.

@hijodelmarineroII 7 лет назад

Jesse Desourdy hell to the yes!

@realBatman-89 7 лет назад

Jesse Desourdy that would be a very long video

@johndearstyne1845 7 лет назад

But a very good video

@hijodelmarineroII 7 лет назад

John Dearstyne hell yeah

@hijodelmarineroII 7 лет назад

I like Qui-Gon but Mace would win all day.

@konryderjediknight9971 7 лет назад

True mace would beat qui-gon due to his mastery of vaapad a version of Juyo the same form that darth maul used and killed qui-gon with

@AshanBhatoa 7 лет назад

hijodelmarineroII I agree

@konryderjediknight9971 7 лет назад

True

@konryderjediknight9971 7 лет назад

So what do you think my friend

@captaincooool 7 лет назад

I agree but I think its because he's basically the greatest duelist in the modern U. This is just speculation by me but I think Qui-Gon was stronger in the force, he was the first to master becoming a force ghost and broke through and wound up teaching Yoda who in turn taught Obi.

@alexdeeds5397 4 года назад

Windu isnt overrated everyone knows he's a badass

@danielcooke3800 4 года назад

At least victory wasn't completely "taken" from him...

@Patton07xD 4 года назад

But Qui Gon Jinn has "a very particular set of skills he have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make him a nightmare for people like Mace."

@danielcooke3800 4 года назад

Taken and other movies like that

@jonitawhiteman8441 11 месяцев назад

Nope Plo koon & ki adi mundi & obi wan each are better fighter's than mace windu. They outperformed him in their duels with asajj ventress. Mace windu is the most overrated jedi ever.

@werelemur1138 4 года назад

"Powerful" is a lot more complicated than "who would win in a fight" when it comes to Jedi

@infoluminux 7 лет назад

I'm agree with you except for one thing: Palpatine didn't lose on purpose... Mace actually won... and if you have a doubt about it, then see the revenge of the sith novelization (which is canon) or hear George Lucas speech which confirms this. Basically Mace won thanks to Vaapad, which uses the dark emotions (like anger, despair, and so on) to empower the user. Mace got ultra powerfull during that fight, but the emotions didn't come from Sidious (who is aware of how Vaapad works and was able to supress his emotions), but from Anakin, who would make Windu stronger and stronger as he came closer to the fight. That's why Mace won, and it was a legitimate victory. However, Mace was so focused in killing Palpatine that his shatter point ability didn't show him Anakin's betrayal.

@tonp2917 7 лет назад

It is the old story again and again. Show me the explanation of George Lucas saying Windu would have won. Books are from various writers, not really 100% having to do with the movies. If they like Mace Windu they say he would have won. Palpatine was waiting for Anakin, that was his plan, showing Anakin he might loose. Anakin needed Palpatine to save Padme from the death he saw in his dreams. What defeated man does have that much remaining power to force lightning Mace Windu and after that throwing him out of the window by dozens of meters.

@AKSBSU 7 лет назад

+Ton Postma And Palpatine also melted his own face with his force lightning being reflected back at him on purpose? I'm not buying it. Palpatine was overall more powerful, but in that particular fight, Mace's style gave him enough of an edge to best him.

@andrewma9682 7 лет назад

Why in the world would anyone trying to turn Anakin to the dark side with promises of more power fake a defeat to look weak and helpless?

@ryanbutela3183 7 лет назад

Yeah he actually did let that happen on purpose. That was actually his true Sith form and used the "injuries" as an excuse to finally reveal it. It also prompted Anakin to see the old man in "despair". I remember reading somewhere that it was canon.

@infoluminux 7 лет назад

Ryan Butela actually what I said it's highly stated in the official novelization... which it's canon.

@lazramyar 7 лет назад

You had me until you said Mace did not beat Palpatine...he certainly did and without monologueing lost that fight George Lucas himself said only two Jedi alive could fight Palpatine and win...though Qui Gon was already dead i don't think he would have stood a chance against Dooko much less Mace Windu or Palpatine or Yoda

@AKSBSU 7 лет назад

I agree. Only Mace and Yoda were on his level for a competitive duel at that point in time. I'm also not buying that Palpatine was just toying with Mace or believe Palpatine would have melted his own face on purpose in the process.

@unicornonthecob4302 7 лет назад

Why did his face melt?

@geekyradical4985 6 лет назад

Alex You're right. George Lucas did confirm that Mace Windu legitimately disarmed Darth Sidious, of his lightsaber, but Darth Sidious still was not defenseless. Toward the final part, he was, in fact, overpowering Mace Windu, with Force-lightning and could have chosen to kill him, right then and there, but didn't, to see Anakin Skywalker's reaction.

@tucjdujgfgyas 6 лет назад

He was right Palpatine PURPOSEFULLY lost.

@lorkhan8565 5 лет назад

@@tucjdujgfgyas citation needed....

@lendial 7 лет назад

Mace is basically the best anti sith jedi duelist other than yoda.

@shipey188 4 года назад

lendial possibly better than yoda, actually

@jorionrange8336 4 года назад

He was better than Yoda! Vapaad was specifically designed to make the user stronger based on how dark their opponent was. Yes, Yoda could fuck a hoe up with Ataru, he was could only go for a limited time. Sidious knew this and kept his distance their entire fight because of this. Once Yoda realized he was tired, he retreated knowing Sidious was about to murder him. Vapaad, is designed to redirect the energy of the person Mace is fighting so he never has to use his own.

@kukumama6378 4 года назад

@@jorionrange8336 yoda could use vapaad too

@jorionrange8336 4 года назад

@@kukumama6378 And where are you getting this information?

@jesse_cole 4 года назад

Mace was better than Yoda, at least with a lightsaber.

@CocoaNutCakery 7 лет назад

Don't use age as a negative. For a Jedi (or even a force user in general), age is an advantage. As one ages, one's connection to the Force grows. This more than makes up for the physical effects of age.

@DonalLour 7 лет назад

Mace Windu = WHITE GENOCIDE!

@Quinntree 6 лет назад

Age does effect them. From what I read and understand Qui-Gon knew he couldn’t keep up with Maul as his stamina was simply running out. Yes the force kept him going but I’m the end he was getting tired and this concerned him during the fight with Darth Maul.

@josefha6933 6 лет назад

it strengthens the connection the force but your body gets weaker. this is why yoda lost to sidious. after force valor run out he was to weak to continue

@tucjdujgfgyas 6 лет назад

For Qui Gon, he should have used Form 1 or 3 when he grew older, in order to not become tired from his Ataru fighting style.

@chezwarrior7425 5 лет назад

CocoaNutCakery i agree except the force can keep him going but over time he looses stamina just like red bull or kind of like sugar u have a lot of energy but over time it runs out. and u get slower but I still believe qui gon's stronger

@rsbandbj1 7 лет назад

mace no question. Start with shatterpoint, game over.

@whoknows7968 7 лет назад

Mace: Are you sure you want a duel? Qui-Gonn: Yes a full out brawl no holding back, a fight between two master jedi whose wisdom and power are spoke of across the known galax- *Mace uses shatterpoint*- ow my back! Mace: Is something wrong? Qui-Gonn: Yes, I can't feel my legs. There is something wrong with my spinal cord. I think I have been paralyzed. Mace: Do you still want that duel? Qui-Gonn: Of course not, take me to Yoda now!

@numpty94 7 лет назад

shatterpoint followed by vapaad, no chance for most foes.

@crazyturks61 6 лет назад

Kui gon jin

@geekyradical4985 6 лет назад

rsbandbj1 Mace Windu's use of Shatterpoint would be too vague and inconsistent to be a game-changer, as he has rarely made use of it to great effect, in combat, with the exception of his duel with Darth Sidious, which is irrelevant, because he had a very circumstantial speed/power amp, at the time.

@charthezombiehound8952 5 лет назад

not how shatterpoint works, shatterpoint is the ability to perceive weaknesses in objects events or opponents, the ability to injure a target by exploiting its shatterpoints was called force breach, and just because one can see shatterpoints does not mean one can use force breach. Windu was never shown to use force breach, only see shatterpoins. EDIT: also vapaad is close to useless against light side opponets Meli, the reason vapaad is so op is that it can use an opponents rage agaisnt themselves, which would not happen against a light side opponent, no, his best bet would be to use soresu and let Qui- Gon tire himself out, then kill him

@martynbealing79 7 лет назад

when you're duelling master yoda you always have the high ground!

@chrisbennett6236 5 лет назад

So true lol

@ivanstrydom8417 4 года назад

And yet Yoda would win .

@kirillzakharov7336 4 года назад

depends on where is yoda striking from and he usually strikes from above. He is a star wasr version of a fidget spinner.

@qui-gonjinn8841 4 года назад

I would win

@silentassassins8672 3 года назад

"Sidous threw the fight" lukas confirms mace beat him in an actual blade duel and it was only timing that saved sidious

@joemckim1183 7 лет назад

Qui-Gon lost to Maul because he got hit in the face with the handle of the double sided lightsaber which stunned him and Maul took him out before he recovered. With having to defend against doubled blades he was constantly having to swing his blade left and right which left him unprepared to defend getting hit in the face with the handles of the double blade. If Maul only had one blade I'm not sure if he would've been able to defeat Qui-Gon.

@lawl1696 4 года назад

And Qui-gon loss to beacause he didn't use the force (beacause if he did he would win 'cause he is one of the most powerful force users in the galaxy

@Getloose360 4 года назад

Jin lost because Dooku taught maul all of his formal pupil's weaknesses. That's it.

@Imadumbdoodoohead 4 года назад

@@Getloose360 B-But dooku didn't turn until he watched Qui-Gon die. Qui-Gon's death is literally his turning point.

@killianmccluff36 4 года назад

DemonSlayer879 I’m pretty sure dooku left the order before his death

@Raptormon132 7 лет назад

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@Raptormon132 7 лет назад

Teddie Wai Oh. I didn't know.

@reaperxblast7553 7 лет назад

I prefer Qui Gon Jim, but I belive mace would win

@CaptainFrankBlack 7 лет назад

"Qui Gon *Jim*" hahaha

@hijodelmarineroII 7 лет назад

The Hanging Garden hahaha! (in Anakin whisper) "I was about to say that."

@foxofthejedi4570 7 лет назад

I would say sparring contest* purely for sport and training they would be equals at least. because both qui gon and windu showed aggressive fighting techniques in their duels

@smarksruinedwrestling5020 6 лет назад

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@chookianna6146 6 лет назад

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@yellowkid661 3 года назад

I'd say Qui-gon was probably more knowledgable with the force but I think in a contest of lightsaber fighting and ability to use the force, mace windu would crush him every single time.

@MrDarkkamui 4 года назад

In the end it would come down to who gets the High Ground first...

@liammannion3141 7 лет назад

Maul vs Windu Who do you think would win?

@erikhagberg1500 7 лет назад

Maul is a Sith so Windu's Vaapad would be devastating to him.

@ScourgeTheInfernal 7 лет назад

TKupz z Maul

@darthtroller 7 лет назад

Maul is no match for Windu

@Zaulmus 7 лет назад

TKupz z Maul loses in a good fight

@Randoman590 7 лет назад

Man, that would be *extremely* close. Windu's Vaapad would be pretty much the only deciding factor here to give him the win - if not for Vaapad Maul would win.

@darthtroller 7 лет назад

it would be cool to see Mace Windu, Dooku and Qui Gon Jinn at a little younger age fighting Darth Sidious

@jonitawhiteman8441 11 месяцев назад

Nope Plo koon & ki adi mundi & obi wan each are better fighter's than mace windu. They outperformed him in their duels with asajj ventress. Mace windu is the most overrated jedi ever.

@Mcofell1 7 лет назад

Qui-gon was a great Jedi in terms of philosophy and spirituality, but he just didn't seem to focus too much on combat. Which is fair enough considering there wasn't much need for it until the Sith reappeared and a war began. Mace Windu was a powerhouse in comparison when it came to combat ability.

@susanfurac559 3 года назад

Qui Gon Jin is underrated like Liam Neeson I don’t think they should have killed him off in the first movie he had so much potential but they killed him off I would have loved to see more of his character evolving. Would you not like to see that? I’m sure I would.

@kyleflanagan963 7 лет назад

The consensus seems to be definite that Mace Windu is more powerful and would win... ...I think that the fight is closer than people assume. 1) Darth Maul was an insanely skilled swordsman. The Clone Wars cartoon shows him holding off Palps for a short while, and he was trained from birth to be the ultimate warrior. I would argue that Maul was near or equal to Mace Windu in terms of lightsaber skills. Despite this, Qui-gon still held his own for quite a while. 2) Qui-Gon's style of choice was severely limited in the area where he and Maul were fighting, preventing a lot of the wide-acrobatics that make form 4 as deadly as it is. 3) Although Mace Windu did beat Palpatine fair and square, his Vaapad gave him advantages that other Jedi would not. Essentially he was a water type going up against a fire type. 4) We never got to directly see Qui-Gon in his prime. He was older and clearly didn't have the stamina to fight long term by the time he dueled Maul. Honestly, I think that Qui-Gon, Mace Windu, and Count Dooku are all around the same level as each other. In their respective prime capacities, and duels between the three could go any way. But in the end, I think that Windu had the edge in Lightsaber combat, while Qui-Gon had a stronger understanding of the Force. So while Qui-Gon was the better Jedi, Windu was the better warrior. But, that's just me.

@keitht24 7 лет назад

As I understand it, Mace Windu was the most powerful member of the Jedi counsel before Anakin joined.

@frederikferguson2571 7 лет назад

no yoda was

@vernitico 7 лет назад

Mace Windu was a close second to Yoda though.

@markbutcher7900 7 лет назад

Yoda was just a bit more powerful, but then again, after 900 years I sure hope he would be the most powerful of his time

@brakdanych4329 7 лет назад

and anakin never was the most powerfull, he has highest milichlorian number, but as we see in ROTS his fore punch was equall to obi's, windu, yoda, and probably some other masters would ragdoll him with easy

@Zaulmus 7 лет назад

brak danych Anakin is pretty close to Mace in TK actually. He's not getting ragdolled.

@ElvisParkerJones 7 лет назад

Dude your amazing thank you so much for making these star wars vids keep it up

@wales2k4747 4 года назад

I’d love to see a Qui-Gon Jinn origin movie, with the ending being the beginning of The Phantom Menace.

@reybay2977 7 лет назад

Qui gon will win, because not like most Jedi, qui gon trusted more on the force, than the republic

@oshura2506 4 года назад

Rey Bay Mace windu can literally see the weakness in anything, and beat Darth Sidious in a duel. Not even yoda defeated sidious

@luvskarz5 4 года назад

Oshura yoda was very old you saw him in Star Wars attack of the clones he can absorb the energy and send it back he couldn’t do that anymore because he lost his power

@killianmccluff36 4 года назад

Oshura age was qui gons weakness but the video specified in their primes and I doubt qui gon has another weakness other than age

@nieemaamiri5620 4 года назад

@@luvskarz5 what duel is everyone seeing YODA Beat Sidious but happened to be on the wrong side of the balcony so he fell when he

@Jadon_sheridan 3 года назад

Rey Bay that’s why qui gon didn’t want to be on the council

@NXGNATION-ix5oe 7 лет назад

What if mace windu changed to the dark side

@darthtroller 7 лет назад

Jedi exterminator rises, gangsters will rule the galaxy

@Xingularity 7 лет назад

NXG123NATION 1 Windu had the ability to channel the dark side of the Force without succumbing to it. That made him even more powerful...

@darthtroller 7 лет назад

J. José Rivera Torres well in his alternate story Windu couldn't control his ability and his combat style (number 7) Vaapad was too dangerous for Windu to contain it and got possessed by the hatred that the dark side gave him

@quinnconabree9780 6 лет назад

NXG123NATION 1 he cant

@mikecummings88 6 лет назад

He's already on the dark side...lol

@emptycloud2774 6 лет назад

Qui Gon Jin was such a great character who deserved more airtime with his philosophy before he fell to Maul.

@lordmilk3847 7 лет назад

I started watching your videos and I love them, wonderful facts.

@MissedThePart 7 лет назад

mac windo vs darth maul

@shaunrosenberg4568 7 лет назад

Mace beat maul's master. He can beat Maul

@zeldorian4504 7 лет назад

Shaun Rosenberg Sidious?? mace didn't actually beat him but yes windu beats maul tho it's very close

@shaunrosenberg4568 7 лет назад

He did beat him. The official statement from George Lucas says that Mace overpowered Sidious, but Sidious pretended to be out of options once Anakin.

@shaunrosenberg4568 7 лет назад

arrived

@zeldorian4504 7 лет назад

Shaun Rosenberg Sidious was just toying with windu if he went all out it's a Stomp Sidious wins

@powerbound4162 7 лет назад

Qui-Gon is more of a cool surfer dude while Mace is more of a .... Psychopath... The outcome was pretty obvious

@lewisgolightly7129 7 лет назад

this channel is great! well done! best to watch whilst gaming. keep it up:)

@lpg12338 7 лет назад

Good video, thanks for uploading.

@killgriffinnow 7 лет назад

I like Qui-Gon way more but Mace Windu is too powerful

@The8Disciples 7 лет назад

Windy all the way

@dineshkumarmarodiya5336 3 года назад

Qui gon was the original force ghost. Lucas states that his training was incomplete because he can not afford liam, originally he was the first full fledged force ghost and the power of force ghost are unparalleled. They can change physical world, can look in the past and future, can hit anyone with their body and can even sence emotions and smell of organisms and object. What can Mace do in front of force itself.

@xOubax 7 лет назад

Seems like the Stupendous Wave and you guys are the only 2 reputable Star Wars theory sites left on RU-vid. Considering that there is hundreds of theory sites out there explains why you both don't have more subscribers then you do. Keep up the good work

@frozenglaicericet-pose6104 7 лет назад

bullshit Mace Windu straight up beat sidious

@ryanhatcher7098 7 лет назад

in the cannon novelisation of revenge of the sith it's made clear mace is at least gaining ground on him until anakin intervenes. but in the films it definitely looks that way.

@kerryr.8111 7 лет назад

Mace won.... even Lucas confirmed it himself... he used Vaapad which used the dark force against its opponent... the more Sidious channeled the dark side, the more of the upper hand Mace got...

@frozenglaicericet-pose6104 7 лет назад

KERRY RAMBALIE damn right brother

@sebas8225 7 лет назад

Yeah also the fact Palpatine couldnt overpower windu with force lightning proves this.

@gothamgoon4237 7 лет назад

Definitely disagree with this. Palpatine could not have known that Anakin would show up when he did if at all let alone intercede in the fight. He would not risk his life just to turn Anakin. Sidious is a sociopath with zero compassion for others and an overriding ambition for total domination. Someone like that would not risk their life for someone else, even for Anakin Skywalker. Mace won fair and square.

@sirgrunt99 7 лет назад

After listing to this I would go with Mace Windu

@NolanDaddy 7 лет назад

this video made me subb. good stuff!!!

@Visor3410 7 лет назад

You've got great videos man :) I enjoy watching all of them ;) I've got a question though - can anyone point me to the music in the background? I really like it :)

@therookie1120 7 лет назад

I think makes form 7 would eventually break thourgh his defense

@therookie1120 7 лет назад

I mean mace

@raghuvarv 7 лет назад

I agree that Jinn is underrated (criminally so in fact) but how in the hell is Windu underrated? If anything, he's overrated. That being said, Windu would win in a fight without a doubt. I don't see what Jinn is bringing to the table that would allow him to even match leave alone beat Windu.

@ronnymaccaroni 7 лет назад

Well Qui Gon would have brought meditation and preparation. Those two can mean alot

@gabrielcarrasco8414 7 лет назад

Windu would win fairly easily. But Qui Gon's knowledge of the force may have surpassed most during his era.

@raghuvarv 7 лет назад

Gabriel Carrasco This is true. Even though he was labelled a Grey Jedi by many due to his disagreements with the High Council, he was actually a better Jedi than most during his era. He may not have been as powerful as Yoda and Windu but he was, in my opinion, a better Jedi.

@Gryphon2026 6 лет назад

Great video! I love Qui-gon, I love hearing about him and finding out more about him. As for who would win? I'm afraid it would be Mace as well for the reasons you said in the video, but if there are things that have yet to be written about Qui-gon there could be a better chance that he could win. Just my thoughts, keep up the great work! MTFBWY!

@tomascorreacannobio986 7 лет назад

I had the pleasure to meet and ask Pablo Hidalgo a question during comic con chile, last sunday, and I ask him if the way Qui Gon understood the Force was the most balance way and he answered me "yeah, I think so. He was like the perfect jedi"

@themagicalacidtrip3812 7 лет назад

Mace windi

@themagicalacidtrip3812 7 лет назад

Windu

@windex780 7 лет назад

Could you make a video about what if greivous was force sensitive. Like if u agree.

@danielcooke3800 5 лет назад

If they change everything about Star Wars now I won't follow the franchise... And I'll tell everyone I know to stop following it...Because Disney Star Wars Sux!!! And I think Star Wars movies should only b made by George Lucas.

@cardonbluh2313 3 года назад

I have to agree with your outcome, although Quigon Jin is my favorite jedi (with Kit Fisto a close second). Mace Windu is just such a powerful jedi when it comes to combat. I see Quigon Jin as more of a philosopher that explores the force than one who focusses on the militaristic side of it.

@Zeevee1776 7 лет назад

honestly I love your videos' current format. I'm interested in what is said, not seen.

@BrotherKevinHunter 4 года назад

I think Qui-Gon would win due to his high-level of use of the Force and lack of dark side influence, otherwise Mace would win.

@Alexander-dz3tf 3 года назад

But Mace's use of Vapad was an advantage.

@guru8104 2 года назад

@@Alexander-dz3tf But Vaapad works in a different way, the user (Mace) would draw the dark side energy from the opponent (eg: Palpatine) and use it for his advantage, but Quigon is pure light side so it wouldn't be so effective like it did with Palpatine.

@Alexander-dz3tf 2 года назад

@@guru8104 And? The question isn't who would win in a duel, the question is who is more powerful, and while Qui Gon was wiser, he was certainly not more powerful.

@guru8104 2 года назад

@@Alexander-dz3tf I know that all i say is Vaapad can't be an advantage to Mace. He had to use some other form.

@Alexander-dz3tf 2 года назад

@@guru8104 Yes Vaapad is a power that Mace has yet not Qui Gon and therefore I conclude he is stronger. Mace isn't gonna be battling light side users, so your point holds no merit.

@opelastragopc7402 7 лет назад

make a theory what if mace kill phalpatin before Anakin have chance to save him.

@Randoman590 7 лет назад

Order 66 never goes through, the Separatists have no leadership with Sidious, Dooku and Grievous all dead, Republic wins the war, peaceful galaxy, Leia and Luke join the Jedi Order.

@sobversion3 7 лет назад

might even keep Anakin on the side of the light, if not he'd die too lol

@opelastragopc7402 7 лет назад

yes it might

@Bowfella 6 лет назад

Literally roll the fucking credits. It was a mere couple minutes that sealed the fate of the galaxy.

@steverogers9659 7 лет назад

I do like your videos. I liked this one too. Lots of detail about the Jedi. I was a bit surprised you didn't talk more about the match up. I agree mace would win, I don't think anyone thought you were gonna say kwi Gon, but how, why? mace's style would be less effective since there would be very little dark side to pull from. what about height? would mace end it quickly or tire him out? still a good video. keep them coming.

@Nekowhite93 4 года назад

I LAUGHED when homie said "it's a toss up"

@bretabastillas8091 7 лет назад

still on jinn but i agree mace might win. big fun of Qui gon jinn here

@ronniejones1425 7 лет назад

Qui-Gon Jinn the most wise of all Jedis. he would out think Mace Windu. I love them both but my heart and final decision is Qui-Gon

@danny2m12 7 лет назад

Same here. In episode 3 Yoda acknowledges Qui-Gon's accomplishments after his death. He taught Yoda how to become a force ghost. Now that is infinite knowledge , and knowledge is power.

@ShameenYakubu 7 лет назад

Doesn't matter how wise he is. Mace Windu would kill him. Mace Windu is the best duelist in the Jedi Order no single Jedi or Sith could face him in single combat.

@Twigpi 6 лет назад

Mace Windu may kill Qui-gon Jinn, but Qui-gon, being struck down, would come back more powerful then you could possibly imagine.

@IndianaJoe0321 5 лет назад

@@ShameenYakubu without Vapaad & Shatterpoint, Windu would not beat Dooku. Would never happen.

@ShameenYakubu 5 лет назад

@@IndianaJoe0321 So? Mace would still win. That's like saying without the Force Dooku wouldn't beat Obi-Wan. Doesn't matter. Fact is he would win.

@ThatGuy-vm4ju 6 лет назад

Nobody ever brings up what if Qui Gon threw the fight with Darth Maul so that he could become immortal with the force he was the first to become a spirit Ghost he trained Yoda how to use that form then Obi Wan learned from Yoda. We yet have to see Mace Windu as a spirit Ghost or any other Jedi. It was never explained how Darth Vader learned how to become a spirit Ghost by the time Yoda and Obi Wan learned that technique Vader was in the dark side so nobody with that knowledge could of teached him because only the Jedi Yoda and Obi Wan knew about it..

@JonnyLin7 4 года назад

Qui Gon is underrated because he lost to Darth Maul, but he only lost to Maul due to many circumstances going against him. He was old, aging and fighting an extended battle with Maul who had potentially the best stamina of any Jedi or Sith. The battle then shifted to close quarters, which put Qui Gon as a major disadvantage given his fighting style. Before the battle became close quarters, Qui Gon did seem to have the advantage against Maul, who himself was in his prime and incredibly powerful. It would have been awesome to see more of Qui Gon, he was my favorite character in episode 1.

@diekritik3939 7 лет назад

I think Mace would win.

@jangofett9167 7 лет назад

What if Finn never rebelled against the first order

@sobversion3 7 лет назад

no traitor memes....

@clementgoh9270 6 лет назад

*Hears the word traitor* Prepares to throw down weapons before actually reading the comment

@CoulierCuts 6 лет назад

Like nothing would've changed

@PentagonThief1 5 лет назад

Lol nothing would have changed😂

@maxwarp 5 лет назад

He would still be cleaning toilets. He had janitorial work.

@charzanboo9940 Год назад

If both are in their prime, Qui-gon wins. Qui-gon sparred Mace Windu to a standstill in the comics and was 20 years older...that says a lot...

@jeremytandrews9577 4 года назад

As I watched this, I annoyingly to myself predicted everything you described... loving both characters, I completely agree with you.✌️

@princelevi3733 7 лет назад

can you do part 2 of what if mace windu fought Anakin Skywalker

@drewjoeworm 7 лет назад

Mace easily

@thetarfman958 7 лет назад

Great video . What's the name of the music during the first 2 minutes . Thanks . Can you do a video what if Qui Gon survived and went on to serve on the Jedi council during the clone wars?

@Sipushka24 7 лет назад

I can't wait to see a SW spinoff about Qui-Gon! The story of Tahl, and something on Xanatos, and an interesting role for Liam Neeson waits for filming!

@jsmitty2047 7 лет назад

Mace wins hands down for me, its not a question. Mace ability with the lightsaber is 2nd to none. Its actually stated by Master Yoda, that Mace mastery of his fighting style, Yoda stated that 1 on 1 Mace could never be defeated, because he used this style to harness his opponents energy and strengths against themselves, actually drawing on them. Yoda did not state it was only sith but anyone. Therefore based on Yoda, He could go against sidious one on one in a duel and best him since Sidiouds use of the dark side would only empoer Mace,. Although force powers give the advantage to Sidious. So for me its Mace, just based on what Ive read and my opinion.

@joshcasticshow 7 лет назад

I think Mace Window will win because he is second in command of Jedi Council no amouture gets that spot.

@lordaizen66 7 лет назад

qui gon was not on that councle because he was a thinker and did not conform

@joshcasticshow 7 лет назад

lordaizen66, I know that but if he was on the council Mace Windo is still would have been second in command so that means he would is still better then Qui-Gon-Gen

@joshcasticshow 7 лет назад

CyberTheBoss - CyberSurvivor44 Watching Account, first of all do not say the Lord thy God in vain, 2nd of all you could be nice about it, and third of all I didn't no how to spell council.

@SamuraiZero 7 лет назад

For God sakes

@TheProfessordank 7 лет назад

Josh Castic "mace window" hahahahahaha fool

@eseguerito2629 7 лет назад

I got a fun fan fiction/alternate history idea: Quigon doesn't die in Episode 1, he trains Anakin Himself, and together they fulfil Anakin's prophesied destiny of restoring balance by leaving the Jedi order (which Quigon already believed was deeply flawed) and founding a new league of grey Jedi. The Sith fall, the Jedi disband or join the grey Jedi, and balance is restored to the force.

@unitedmemes4505 2 года назад

A huge advantage of Windu is his Shatterpoint ability, but it wouldn't really work when going against Qui-Gon. Shatterpoint is about absorbing the enemy's dark side energy, turn it into your own, then use it to fight back. But Qui-Gon isn't a dark side guy, nor do I think he would ever be.

@andrewlarson7 6 лет назад

IMO Mace is the most powerful Jedi ever. The 3 strongest are easily him Yoda and Luke. Mace is the most powerful because he was the only one to actually beat Sidious.

@joeywantstoplay 4 года назад

sound logic.....I agree....

@ralfigs 3 года назад

Lol how do you figure? No he's not. He's good but not the most powerful 😂

@k.o-imperfect5724 7 лет назад

Guys, guys, guys, I was just thinking, what if, Palpatine (of all people) was the Chosen One? Think about it. Even though Anikin was "the chosen one" reffered to in the prophecy, who became Emporer. The Jedi had not let the Sith thrive in YEARS. Anikin was just a pawn. Sidious actually brought balance (Not peace, of course he is butthole).

@45nitrox 7 лет назад

Revan The Prodigal Knight no

@sebas8225 7 лет назад

A lot of force sensitives can proclaim themselves as the "chosen one", Anakin just had more midiclorians to justify his pretence.

@coffeeenjoyer9099 6 лет назад

It was confirmed in the clone wars that Anakin was the chosen one

@scottphillips6005 7 лет назад

In the revenge of the sith novel it is explained that Windu is actually winning the fight vs Sidious, but he was turning to the dark side in the process.

@LordKalte 7 лет назад

I'm not sure about your editing choice. I understand you wanted to compare them on each point, but I was listening to your analyse will doing something else and, without my entire attention (and your visual aids), I had difficulty knowing which one you were talking about. It's going back and forth between each Jedi that confused me. Your video is still very good and I enjoy your channel a lot.

@hollowkid97 7 лет назад

mace>yoda> obi wan> qui gon. in terms of dueling skill

@AstroSully 7 лет назад

yoda defo is stronger than mace

@cadetlaventure3527 7 лет назад

yoda is way more skilled, he trained like 20.000 jedis

@hollowkid97 7 лет назад

Cadet Laventure only cause he lived longer.

@powerbound4162 7 лет назад

Goddess Miranda.Cosgrove yoda at his prime could definitely out duel all of them at once and even as a old man he was definitely still be stronger than mace

@hollowkid97 7 лет назад

Power Bound idk about that. shatterpoint gives mace a good advantage

@Stark-Targaryen 7 лет назад

mace would beat Darth Vader, Kenobi and Luke true question is would he beat Yoda?

@LuDimezofKush 7 лет назад

I think so

@EricWilke1141987 7 лет назад

Yoda was the Grand Master for a reason. I believe Yoda would win.

@LuDimezofKush 7 лет назад

Mace was grandmaster as well

@EricWilke1141987 7 лет назад

True but for a short time. Yoda has centuries over Mace. I would like to see that battle though.

@maxstbergh3994 7 лет назад

hahahaha really? Mace would not stand a chance against luke lol 😂😂😂

@pvhep4036 6 лет назад

Both are one of my fav Jedi's! Along with Yoda and Kao Cen Darach!

@Irmarinen 7 лет назад

I think it is quite pointless comparing between a jedi warrior and jedi counselor - their talents, methods, and focus lay in rather different areas.

@adamir-magnumCZ 4 года назад

May I ask what is the name of the background soundtrack? It sounds awesome

@jeremygiles1367 5 лет назад

Great machup

@aarondowd8197 7 лет назад

I'd love to hear more about Qui gon turning to the dark side.

@v8Buster87 7 лет назад

Qui Gon was a beast, but I think Jinn didn't focus on the battling, but the force itself and wanting to understand it.

@halfblooddutchprince 4 года назад

Qui Gon Jinn is the best part of The Phantom Menace

@marksmith2412 4 года назад

Qui-gon for me. No darkside energy for Mace to take advantage of with his Vaapad.

@mehmeteminyilmaz2121 4 года назад

Whats the background music from 0:00 - 2:20 ?????

@waterfordel 6 лет назад

I will also add that, in theory, he could've used dark side force powers, like force lightning, without falling to the dark side. Katarn is a good example.

@highgroundproductions8590 7 лет назад

Dooku was incapable of defeating Obi-Wan with lightsabers in Ep. III which means their prowesses with the saber are now in the same league. Dooku used his incredibly powerful force abilities (stronger than Windu's own) to defeat Kenobi in Ep. III.

@benpledger7818 7 лет назад

Technically Quigon beat Windu, if Quigon had not found Anakin then Windu would have survived, Quigon wins :)

@WildFang39 2 года назад

One major thing to take note of in star wars is that it isn’t like dbz where if character A can beat character B then while character B beat C therefore A beats C as well. In Star Wars matchup matters a lot.

@IfIOnlyKnew2 7 лет назад

That was great 👍

@BoogerLeader 7 лет назад

Several times it's mentioned that Qui Gonn, Yoda, Mace, and Dooku could all fight one another to a stalemate. However, Qui was too old and his age did make a difference in his skills as he'd get tired a lot faster. If both Mace and Qui were in their prime, I honestly feel they wouldn't be able to touch one another. Also, Lucas already stated that Mace beat Palpatine by overpowering him, he was only faking injury after he was defeated.

@coldvengeance 4 года назад

Qui-Gon Jinn would win I mean yeah he's old but at the same time Yoda is older than everybody and that dude still moves around pretty quickly with a lightsaber but nonetheless it would be a good fight to watch I like Mace Windu and I definitely like Qui-Gon Jinn

@Ihdc1 7 лет назад

Windu may have greater martial prowess but Qui Gon was much wiser and had a deeper understanding of the force. It was he who correctly idenfitifed Anakin as the chosen one (something Windu fervently refused to believe) and insisted he be trained. He also immediately and correctly concluded that Maul was a sith, something that was also received with skepticism by Windu and the council. Windu even arrogantly said that he "[did] not believe the sith could have returned without [the jedi] knowing". I believe Qui Gon's wisdom, understanding, and clairvoyance exceeded even that of Yoda himself. It was also Qui Gon who was the first to learn how to become one with the force and taught the skill to Yoda and Obi Wan. Windu's wisdom and understanding of the force was comparatively shallow. He was a incredibly gifted swordsman but not much more than that.