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Tamika Scott from Xscape reveals that members of the group and the record label tried to encourage her to get an abortion when she was pregnant during the group’s height of success.
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Was Tamika Scott Pressured To Get An Abortion? | WWHL

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@SMPink 6 лет назад

Im with Kandi ... if u gonna embarass me publicly.. apologize publicly... bloop!

@nicolenunya984 6 лет назад

ok, you truly sorry then why can't you be loud and proud with it? she east holding back when she was making up stories on the radii

@nicolenunya984 6 лет назад

+Nicole Nunya wasnt

@teresamccune1546 6 лет назад

St. clare I agree

@LeemWills 3 года назад

Kandi do it all the time and don't apologize

@TheMrsilverscott Год назад

@@LeemWills Who has Kandi embarrassed publicly child??? 🤨🤔

@imalwaysright 6 лет назад

It is a shame that there is still so much tension and friction

@Lyric-sd5tb Год назад

& it’s more than apparent. Kandi’s attitude always annoys me though. I like her, but that bow down and kiss my feet when someone has wronged her be a bit much because she ain’t doing all that when she’s in the wrong.

@marfu1119 Год назад

Even in 2023 years there is still alot of tension and friction in the group. Now is between the two sisters and still Lotosha and Kandi can't get on

@Dymsx86 6 лет назад

This episode was so awkward. I felt so uncomfortable watching it. This group needs some therapy and Jesus.

@YAH-1 6 лет назад

same ova here

@88jmason 6 лет назад

totally agree!

@SoSoBradley23 6 лет назад

Exactly lol

@Xara_K1 Год назад

Good grief... this comment is still relevant 😂

@BeneficialBoss 6 лет назад

Tiny so over the bullshit! lmao

@chimcham6762 6 лет назад

Honestly there is such a huge awkward tension between the sisters and Kandi...and Tiny just looks like she’s over all their bullshit 😂😂 I foresee Xscape not being a thing and these ladies going their seperate ways after this tour and show is over and done with.

@chocolatecapricorn9418 6 лет назад

Chim Cham always! I’m sorry to say but this might not last.

@smokeysmoo4648 6 лет назад

We still got the movie

@nicolenunya984 6 лет назад

omg I think these sister's work even tiny's nerves. omg I couldn't be in a group with them either bc they make too many stupid petty comments

@chimcham6762 6 лет назад

Nicole Nunya Everyone thinks that Kandi is being petty but all the snide comments and viscous rumours those sisters have made about her in the past would make me feel indifferent too. I don’t blame Kandi for not being tolerant towards them and I don’t blame Tiny for being done with them haha

@devintucker5483 3 года назад

Whole facts

@LowDownDirtyDev 6 лет назад

That abortion mess is ridiculous. All I could think about was Traci from The Braxtons. They tried to make her get an abortion too. Instead she just left the group

@rubbii411ify 6 лет назад

Yeah I remembered Toni was talking about this at the reunion of BFV and think she was saying Traci had resented Trina for a bit because she had a baby and was able to continue on with the group and this was right before group was signed to any label at that point

@tamarabello 3 года назад

Traci was forced out the group.

@LowDownDirtyDev 3 года назад

@@tamarabello ....because she didn’t wanna end her pregnancy

@tamarabello 3 года назад

@@LowDownDirtyDev yes I know

@Christine-ne4yf Год назад

I’m super late but it’s so sad seeing how Traci was kicked out even tho she was the one who encouraged Toni in her music career when her family wasn’t for it. Rip to traci

@taylorbrione 6 лет назад

This interview is hot mess. Residency in Vegas, girl, y'all can't even fake getting along. This was so awkward and forced.

@Timmyjl25 6 лет назад

Taylor Brione LMFAO ikr

@mrshjohnson24 6 лет назад

Andy is messy af. He is bringing up old stuff and its not right.

@butterflyygyrlsworld5106 5 лет назад

Em Jay true...but I’m here for it🤣🤣🤣

@jclark21218 3 года назад

Well he is interviewing a girl group from back in the day. What you expect?

@YAH-1 6 лет назад

I'm glad she didn't follow through with a abortion..

@naboog6368 6 лет назад

I commend you Tamika for sticking to your guns and deciding not to get that abortion. No one can force you to get an abortion. You are not to blame for the decision that Tiny made to go along with it and your sister taking up for you is exactly what she as a sister was suppose to do. You answered the question as it was presented to you honestly. I'm rooting for you

@swagsgirlfriend 6 лет назад

So they broke up cause the didn’t get along and the group CLEARLY still doesn’t get along. Like they aren’t passed what happen and shots are still being thrown LOL

@hennihenni4322 6 лет назад

i feel awkward and im not even in the room

@MsDorisann 6 лет назад

Now that part about Tamika being pregnant was never spoken about in the manner that the group was mad at her because she had gotten pregnant. The manager and the label wanted to kick her out the group; Kandi and Tiny went along with management and the label, but her sister said if she goes so will I go. I wonder if they apologized to Tamika for wanting her to have an abortion, because it was frowned upon a young lady having a child out of wedlock, and they did not want anything to make the group look bad.

@leggs4113 6 лет назад

Kandi looks gorgeous!

@timmyo911 6 лет назад

I Love Kandi!

@dantan1249 5 лет назад

Leggs they all have awesome bone structure except t......... nvmnd

@kevinjohnson4877 5 лет назад

I love Kandi period

@MrsNata-tw6fv 6 лет назад

They all look great. I love Kandi & Tiny hair. Love both of their outfits.

@hismom5600 6 лет назад

This shit was more awkward than the episode when Kim Zolciak called in to fight with Nene.

@TheeCoachg 6 лет назад

Brianda Pondexter 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@kevinavann9721 6 лет назад

Hell yeah 😂😂😂😂

@bobbyhall4978 6 лет назад

😂

@ProphetsOfRockTV 6 лет назад

CALL OFF THE REUNION, if you can't move on and don't like each other, can't respect each other, spare yourselves and us you want to pay attention to you and buy tickets, the negativity. Poor Tiny having to be a mediator.

@thebeautifullibra11 Год назад

This and now we see what happened

@ARealWanting 6 лет назад

When Kandie does that little laugh after she thinks she did something....😒😒

@phillygirl1984 3 года назад

🤣😭

@jeffwhitley18 6 лет назад

Its soooo much shade between them. They are clearly not over the past.

@omarn2713 6 лет назад

Andy is so damn shady lol.

@lkez2 6 лет назад

he disgusts me. He made the interview even more awkward with his shady facial expressions. I hate him.

@KaneneProductions 6 лет назад

lkz 2 always trying to be "hip" & "in the mix." That's why I can't stand his fake arse.

@joannasaad298 6 лет назад

Yes he is but truth be told there's awkwardness and tension without anyone asking any questions.

@uziclippe 6 лет назад

Reeeelax and stop being such a prude. It's his job to stir up already present shade and mess. It's not his fault they had pre-existing beef that wasnt squashed.

@aarongroce74 4 года назад

KaneneProductions NOT FAKE ARSE😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@juleenforbes 6 лет назад

Not going to last hopefully they can finish the tour

@katmama1556 6 лет назад

Now I see what Kandi going through. It's a shame the show makes her look bad not right! Love you Kandi

@mydreamz8809 6 лет назад

So Tamika did apologize to Kandi. But Kandi wanted her to do it publicly. So it seems to me that Kandi likes to hold on to stuff.

@loveme7693 6 лет назад

What Tameka lied about was heavy. In Atl people know every bodies business and live for tea. She lied and said Kandi fucked Jermaine's dad. Which send shock waves in ATL and people believed her because they thought Kandi was the reason why the group disbanded. Idky Kandi fucking Jermaine is any of Tamika business. They're grown, and they fucked because they wanted to. Your sister was dating and fucking the manager and that's not Kandi nor anybody else's business. But to make up a lie saying I fucked Jermaine's dad knowing I didn't and that lie could break up a family and a father and son relationship. I can never look or do business with you the same.

@lovepeacehappiness3924 6 лет назад

mydreamz8809 If someone hurt your reputation publicly wouldn't you want them too publicly correct it ? I know I would . I'm not taking side's but it's only right !

@dnicole4236 6 лет назад

If somebody go on a damn radio and lie to thousands of people on air wouldn’t you want a PUBLIC apology damn y’all blame Kandi for everything

@puro210 6 лет назад

mydreamz8809 she lied publicly so as apology.

@unbiasedasitcomes 6 лет назад

mydreamz8809 She was lied about on radio, so she wanted the apology on radio...i Don't blame her at all...

@mikelarry3835 6 лет назад

Tameka so fake. She gave several apologies “from the heart” but when Andy asked her about the lie she made up, she acted like she didn’t know what she lied about 🙄

@lilbaby245 6 лет назад

AND THAT'S WHAT KANDI'S PROBLEM IS. Those sisters like to get cases of amnesia and forget anything ever happened and I can imagine it's annoying as hell. It's like how some people magically forget traumatic events, say for instance a child getting badly abused by their parent's significant other while their parent sat back and did nothing. So the child is telling the parent it happened by recalling every detail of the event. But they're vehemently denying it by saying, "I don't remember that" or "you're a liar" because they don't want to prove you right. I can understand that gets frustrating.

@MrJsaun22 6 лет назад

Andy asked about Jermaine Dupri. She did not lie about that . She answered the question correctly.

@ayo-cr9we 6 лет назад

Xscape is history..no chemistry at all..or maybe the reunion is too soon...not expecting anything from them..still thinking if i wanna go to their concert or not...

@sgaynell 6 лет назад

It was also awkard for Tameka to talk about keeping her baby when Tiny was forced to have an abortion right before that!!! And now she bragging about it. Look at Tiny face! And Who is They? "If my sister go than I go" .,..them sisters are a mess!!

@usadrones 6 лет назад

sgaynell oh this is tea ☕

@Tabaitha_Elle 6 лет назад

Wow I didn't know that about Tiny. I bet that's still something that hurts her today.

@sgaynell 6 лет назад

Yes, she spoke about it on Centric show "Being". It just aired a few months ago when the ladies "reunited".

@kayalex83 6 лет назад

Wow!

@nicolenunya984 6 лет назад

girl talking bout "they were like oh no you're not going anywhere" as if she was the hot commodity. let's be real she wasn't lead bc she was heavy she needs to humble herself and be appreciative of this 2nd chance to make music

@preciousgirl2010 6 лет назад

Andy knows how to get the tea!!!

@TrishT 6 лет назад

Tiny mentioned in her Being episode that she got pregnant too while with Xscape but didn't keep it. =( I know it must be hard for her to sit through that story.

@stephenhampton8836 6 лет назад

Trish T yeah to know one of your other group members went thru the same thing as you but it worked out better in their favor hurts.

@JH-mh3ok 6 лет назад

Oh shit, for real?! I did not know that. I was actually wondering if they pressured her too when she was pregnant

@ANGELSLVME 6 лет назад

Trish T maybe this is why, she has soooo many kids now, trying to replace her loss!

@joshuamcdowell5782 6 лет назад

Peace and LOVE she only has four kids. Three of those seven kids are not hers biologically.

@loversroc123 6 лет назад

Trish T Yes. She even said in the episode that she was hurt that Tamika got to keep her baby. She looks so uncomfortable while he’s asking Tamika about this 😢.

@MrJsaun22 6 лет назад

I like this. I always say when you do things in private you can handle it in private. And when you do thing in public sometimes you have to fix it publicly. Tamika got on air and said what she said so Kandi wanted a public apology. I get it fine. However I am a little upset with Kandi. Because she made it seem like Tamika never reached out to her never spoke to her in all these years. And she has a few times. So at least be honest Kandi and say she did reach out to me and we did sit down and talk but until it is done publicly we can not move forward.

@monicamorrow8046 6 лет назад

I hate the industry made female artists choose baby or career. They did that to Lauren Hill and Chili.

@CurlyHair-km5vs 3 года назад

That’s why Chilli had an abortion right before their 1st album came out...

@EYELOVEMUSICSOUL 3 года назад

They wanted Lauryn hill to do the same with her first born son Zion

@helgapataki4156 6 лет назад

Too much tension. Idk why y'all did it, its too much unspoken drama.

@Aliasss 6 лет назад

No, the drama is not unspoken. They've been speaking on it forever, have you watched the show ? Kandi is holding onto her feelings chile 😪 smh

@helgapataki4156 6 лет назад

Talisha C Ummm yes hence the word Tension.

@itsjustjae85 Год назад

Those questions were so messy 😂 It made things so awkward in the beginning.

@cj25674 6 лет назад

Wow....talk about a heavy topic subject...😯😫😢😢😢

@Lisa-fr1ji 3 года назад

So Much Respect for Tamika having Her Baby. No One should ever be Pressured into having An Abortion. Not by A Boyfriend, A Manager or Anyone. Period!!!!!!

@SuperGemini615 6 лет назад

I found it interesting that no one turned around and said publicly' "hey I'm sorry for asking you too make a decision that only you can make."

@villagekev 4 года назад

Kandi and Tiny looked so uncomfortable during that abortion question!

@kylia2009 4 года назад

I think Kandi was upset about the lies but more hurt about the public betrayal from a childhood friend. It clear that they considered each other family. Tameka let the fame and business get to her head and she crossed a line.

@trent_king 6 лет назад

12-16 sec.. Please compare and contrast Toscha with the doll on the shelf behind!😳😆

@filafuentes 6 лет назад

Trent King ctfu

@kjdnyhmghfvb 6 лет назад

I can't unsee it

@kayalex83 6 лет назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@nicolenunya984 6 лет назад

😂😂😂😂😂

@TreavorUnion 6 лет назад

Yep, the producers know what they're doing.

@longbranch11207 6 лет назад

the tension is still there

@janealthomas8484 6 лет назад

If it's not Kandi's way ....There is no way. I dislike Kandi's attitude. You can't play victim and always cry and be teary eyed and then be nonchalant and not forgive. It hurts her more to hold that grudge than to just forgive. She doesn't have to forget. We are supposed to look at one another through the same lens God sees us. He forgives our sins so who gave her the power to not forgive. I love tiny she's so neutral. Scott sisters have the right concept " I am my sisters keeper" They just have to keep one another respectfully and in all honesty. I do believe their story happened as explained but Kandi has a more favorable audience. God bless them with serenity so that they can use their God given talent to bless the world in song.

@bresams2917 6 лет назад

JaNeal Thomas best comment

@conc3it3d.prxncess 6 лет назад

JaNeal Thomas And We're The Only Ppl To Realize That, She's Controlling & Wants It Her Way. But Ppl Don't Want To Recognize Bc They Love Her On RHOA

@keioshamerriweather1311 5 лет назад

Stop the negative comments she don’t care what y’all think 💭 she just stop hater

@Yvonnexoxo 6 лет назад

I love Tamika's facial expressions.

@stellamary204 6 лет назад

Get over it Kandi

@longbranch11207 6 лет назад

Kandi doesn't need them they need her it's because of Kandi why they're even on Bravo

@stellamary204 6 лет назад

longbranch11207 I know what you are saying. I just feel like be cordial for the interview. If she is like this on the show, imagine how hard it would be to work with her in real life.

@longbranch11207 6 лет назад

but remember they went ahead and forged Kandi's name without her knowing which was shady, the sisters to me act like they are a big deal and they are not, nobody was checking for them they wouldn't have gotten these great gigs and honors without Kandi and that't the truth. After the tour and when Kandi leaves they will be right back to singing in backyard BB and BBQ

@stellamary204 6 лет назад

longbranch11207 I didn't know about this. Will definitely do my research. I choked on my water when you said singing at backyard bbqs😂😂

@longbranch11207 6 лет назад

google them and you will see why they need Kandi

@SexcSenorita77 6 лет назад

Andy didnt have to go there(w the abortion topic) It was mentioned on the show.

@pppp-bw6zx 6 лет назад

Kandi, Tocha and Tamika hate each other.

@volonahart2723 6 лет назад

these women completely dont get all they just need to let sleeping dogs lie and move on in their different ways because they dont like one another

@dorothyspeaks6997 6 лет назад

I hope they can make it through their tour. Looking at this interview it was awkward. Still tension.

@talicianicole9524 6 лет назад

Kandi says she would have been ready to moved on if tamika would have gave apologize along time ago..,I don’t believe Kandi

@downtown_ny458 6 лет назад

Talicia Nicole Neither do I!

@ak-xp4hp 6 лет назад

Kandi wanted a public apology since Tamika lied publicly.

@talicianicole9524 6 лет назад

ak170492 she did get a public apology but it still doesn’t seem like she is ready to move it past

@downtown_ny458 6 лет назад

ak170492 Tamika apologized on their Unsung but it wasn’t specific to what she said about Kandi. She basically said “Tocha, Tiny, & Kandi if I ever did or say anything to offend y’all I’m sorry” and when someone on Twitter tweeted Kandi if that’s the apology she wanted she said no and at that point I agreed with her Tamika was being slick lol

@talicianicole9524 6 лет назад

Downtown_NY45 she also apologized on the radio with Big tigger .I think the apologetic was one part of it.I think other things played apart

@MrDevDivo 3 года назад

Good for you Tamika for not choosing to have an abortion, because you would have never saw your daughter have her wedding day and her own baby.

@deannanyacole1393 6 лет назад

if we are being honest the only two that can actually sing are the two sisters... but kandi can write the hell out of a song. Tiny was just the light skinned chick that every girl group has.

@lifewithem__ Год назад

This is fake news 😂 Tiny is a fantastic singer

@ashleymitchell2887 6 лет назад

If I held on to every thing anybody ever done to me I'll be dead from the stress let it go. Cause anybody that did me wrong I'm doing much better than them in life so I'm fine.

@jonghyunkim350 3 года назад

She damn sure did out danced everybody in the Love on my mind video and killed it Aiiight Tamika Scott I see you girl💯💯💯💯

@PSALMSOFSONGS 6 лет назад

Kandi said she was ready to move on a long time ago......i can't tell. No one can't tell.

@laniharris2038 Год назад

I agree with Kandi. Have the same energy for the disrespect and for the apology.

@shaylawashington8328 3 года назад

Andy needs to start showing his guests the questions that be on those cards because it seems like he ii the one wanting the answers

@sharniseberkley2203 6 лет назад

that is so sad that they wanted her to abort her baby

@wandacoffer462 6 лет назад

I'm always going to be team Kandi no matter what ,Kandi always going to be Blessed no matter what she do even singing by herself with God and her husband that family will always have the best in life because she never ugly or mean towards anyone keep moving forward the Tucker family

@t_taylor1172 6 лет назад

Kandi heart has to heal she can say she forgive but you can tell she stills feels a way :/

@SurahOnline 6 лет назад

They don't seem very happy 😕 But, anyway Kandi looks AMAZING!!!!! Omg xxx💖😍😍😍

@queeniryb8449 5 лет назад

Does anyone else notice the similarities between LaTocha and the stuffed toy behind her? lol

@gaphneastanislaus8482 Год назад

Tamika is funny... Glad she kept her baby girl.

@sharniseberkley2203 6 лет назад

lotocha is a true sister she said if her sister leave the group i am leaving to and i know that is right girl

@honeylove8261 6 лет назад

It takes kandi a long time to get over something once you have crossed. I'm rooting for them but I honestly don't think that is going to last. Tasha think's that she's is the leader of the group just by her Persona sitting on her stage you can tell when Andy had asked what was her decision and her sister said that they were trying to to kick her out up of the group. Tasha said that if my walks my sister. I walk and there were like no no no no she threw that out there. In the shade from Andy when he asked her how she was and she answer back you trying to figure out how old I am the Shady Andy😀😀

@naboog6368 6 лет назад

Rightfully so she made the group up. They were the ones who brought Kandi in.

@keioshamerriweather1311 5 лет назад

They all i did not just LaTocha all of them did

@leslieburgess6985 6 лет назад

Kandi is a young Momma Joyce. God Bless Todd he is in for a bumpy ride. Wait-Todd is crazy as Kandi and Momma Joyce

@Deb.-on9ep 6 лет назад

Typical Kandi. These girls are really making her unclassy. She takes stabs at them at every turn. These ladies, minus Kandi, are in a good place. Kandi needs to find peace. And it appears that her only intention for doing whatever it is she's doing with the group is to try to make them grovel and as a get-back. So hopefully, maybe she can put away that venom in her vain and heart and move on!

@LADYBEYWEST 6 лет назад

Ugh Andy wtf

@ASmith-jn7kf 6 лет назад

Andy is hella shady.

@ayeshasmith5974 6 лет назад

Wow Landis is so petty

@tiffanydrake1297 6 лет назад

It's obvious that tension is still there.

@xxf4795 6 лет назад

Now i love kandi, shes my fave but you really can see shes not feeling the group. Tbf i aint feeling those sisters either. You can see as an artist kandi wants to be performing the old xscape hits but its at the cost of working with those two. Whether they get along or not they sound dope asf

@hyasmine7336 6 лет назад

I like Tamika!

@consciousvoyagetoshafayash26 6 лет назад

Hyasmine me too she is real

@kessiangeorge6067 6 лет назад

Me to, I love Tamika

@amoureuxdelavie67 6 лет назад

The MUA put the wrong foundation on Kandi. Her face and décolletage are different colors.

@deangelo453 6 лет назад

Most awkward interview

@MS.Jlife_lov6413 6 лет назад

I hate when people say "to be honest" so are you saying that any other time your lying?

@thebeautifullibra11 Год назад

Anyone else notice a pattern with Kandi? You have to beg and plead 1,000 times or you can't work

@TheVeganBelly Год назад

Tamika is beautiful, love her skin

@ChefFineaswine 6 лет назад

Kandi is an unforgiving person but poor thing don't know we must forgive inorder for the Lord to forgive us

@OfficalMeesha 6 лет назад

The man in the interview.... WHY ARE THESE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED??? He's not asking ANYTHING about new music it's like the interview was messy from get!

@tethenashipp5898 6 лет назад

I think that the girls are jealous of kandi they are always comeing at her side ways talking about her behind her back just because they feels like she is already rich so what if yall quite hateing on her so much and quite working against her maybe yall can get rich to and if she is so rich maybe yall need to listen to her and follow her lead because she didn't get rich by being dumb so yall need to take a page out of her book because kandi really got it going on and she really don't need yall hater. If yall can stop hateing on her yall can get somewhere you can never win playing dirty so get it together please and leave kandi alone she only wants the best for the group just like yall do yall wanna run every thing and ant getting nowhere. Listen to kandi because i really feels like she knows what she's doing

@TEMILONDON 6 лет назад

U tarnish my name ON AIR u gon apologise ON AIR tameka is fake... girl gone

@Rick-vy1zq 2 месяца назад

I feel that this was a tension based interview

@kimakotrotman6860 6 лет назад

Don't mess with Kandi!

@io8841 6 лет назад

Clearly they shit is not resolved and I hope the vibes they giving off dont show in concert because i doubt they even riding the same bus or in the same hotels

@ninastar5285 6 лет назад

Tamika Scott 41yrs old...Google

@Simplysharon 6 лет назад

She looks good for her age

@yewandegiwa2854 6 лет назад

I looked like the girls apart frm her sister didn't back her

@Bloooooooooooppp 3 года назад

I wonder where all those producers that wanted tocha to sing went ?

@africanqueen2200 6 лет назад

one white person trying to make four black women act out "Tameka does not believe that" 😂 The shade of it all lol

@longbranch11207 6 лет назад

After the tour Kandi is done

@keioshamerriweather1311 5 лет назад

Leave this woman alone

@ToniisnowMF 6 лет назад

Ima be honest I don't like kandi but she's a boss and honestly she carrying Escape right now

@radiahmyrick6040 6 лет назад

Why Latocha mean mugging Kandi? Watch yo back Kandi

@ssstrangerthingsss7203 6 лет назад

kandi is so rude like it’s not even funny - she really think she still on RHOA

@erickabass4929 6 лет назад

A Vegas residency?!?! Ummm, k bye.... They are not a big enough draw for a residency. Bless LaToscha’s heart, and her delusions of grandeur.

@tinkerjosiejacey5799 6 лет назад

Kandie hold on to much.

@woke1497 Год назад

Now, Andy knew how old she probably was, lol. He older than all of them

@Simplysharon 6 лет назад

Tiny is my favorite always was and I can't stand Kandi

@rushjl92 4 года назад

latasha was the best one though...js

@tabithaharden1865 6 лет назад

Just scratch the whole thing...it's clear they're not gonna make it last...just do a couple of throwback concerts for us fans and be done with the whole thing... getting us excited just to be let down.

@aarushkumar7052 Год назад

Hope the Braxton sisters stood for Traci.

@TERREN65 6 лет назад

I don't like tocha.

@rekayablack391 6 лет назад

I honestly am not to hype about this comeback.... I mean it’s not no love between them they just seem so distant and shady towards one another ☹️ only if things where different