Washington Post: How to have a MISERABLE road trip in an EV | MGUY Australia 

Doing a road trip in an EV is like a step in to the past with a horse. You have to stop for an hour to water and rest it….

@@xr6lad Very very low fire risk with a horse, except for the flatulence in confined spaces perhaps.

A model t ford is more convenient than an ev.😊

EV's are an idea that we tried over a century ago and abandoned because they sucked.

@@JohnStrange-q8r The Model T Ford and the Ford tractor made a huge positive impact on the economy.

That's funny because the EV cultists are always pulling out Norway as an EV success story.

Was in Norge last year visiting family and all the free parking and tax incentives that their government used to provide are now disappearing. We did ski trip from Bergen to Geilo that normally takes 6 hours but now takes 8 hours cos of the charging stops needed 👎

Wow, ScrewTube deleted my comment. All I said was that was funny because Norway is always pulled out by the EV crowd as an exemplar.

​@@SoupDragonishJwTube likes to do that.

@@SoupDragonish Norway is a very special case.

75% EV inconveniences, 25% fighting and getting a divorce.

Don’t worry kids. We can’t eat at that lovely cafe down the road with the great view of the National Park. But no charger. We have to eat at a freeway petrol/gas station plaza….

@@pistonburner6448 🤣

The new lifestyle IT SUCKS

ev owners are masochists.

Not just turning the charge grid on or off - already, EVs that have the handy "SOS" feature (supported by the car's dedicated onboard phone) can be used to on the fly both time lock and geofence how the car is used Not a conspiracy, search the video for the dealers who do a service and update the car software to install such systems

Exactly control. That's the real agenda control of everything you do.

💯 👍🏾

You are wise.

They are also planning to use EVs as a battery pool and drain your energy back to the grid in times of power shortages.

My son drives a Jeep Wrangler and feels the same lol

My 2000 Grand Cherokee 4 litre Six is looking better by the hour. Cheers from V Island

Bdsm because it’s an EV pain in the Ass.

Yeah, Me too.

Now that would be a blast!

Steam powered road transport never evolved into a viable alternative either. Internal combustion was the obvious choice, and until EV development moves up a long way IC is still the choice for ultimate convenience and range.

@@gazzafloss while I was being flippant, I actually disagree Steam did power road transport successfully for quite some time Steam did also power some domestic road cars - with the slight inconvenience of having to wait in the region of 30 seconds from cold start until the engine was ready to start driving the car. Comparing that to waiting hours to recharge an EV - I'd prefer a modern car powered by a modern steam engine

Far more ‘greener’

Family time!! Could you imagine? Road trip from HELL!!

Or standing in an abandoned strip mall parking lot for 2 hours because it's the only functioning unoccupied charger you can reach before your car dies.

_”Moma?! What’s that man doing?”_

And what is wrong with hookers and drug dealers at truck stops exactly 😱

And the kids kept on saying "Are we charged yet"

How much does that process actually seem to work when it appears it can and will be "fortified" at anytime worldwide??

The WEF have never been voted in so how do you vote them out.

@@kevint3845 well the alternative is never a good solution, but just remember what happened at the French revolution

Imagine being so brain-dead you let politics dictate which vehicle you drive...

Yup, if you’re dumb enough to push them you don’t belong in control of anything.

Ev road trip= are we ever going to get there

This is too true… especially the motels bought out by manufacturers to house migrant workers!!! SO Many towns have lost upwards of 40% of tourism accommodation due to large business buying out/leasing these motels purely for migrant worker accommodation. What’s going to happen when they “move on” and enter the mainstream housing market?!

​@@lukeclifton4392That's true. They're all waiting for their asylum hearings.

@@shawnpa lol 'asylum hearings' they aren't waiting for anything, they are living off the taxpayer and are economic migrants.

@@steeldragon5867 You apparently missed the article about the gentleman who tried to take a road trip in a Ford F-150 Lightning. He ran out of charge and had no other option but to have the truck towed to the local Ford dealership. He then rented an ICE vehicle to complete the journey.

That would be TOM SAWER, nice one.

'greenwashing' the fence 🤣

If you go to Hannibal, Missouri, where Clemens grew up, there's the fence the town claims is "the" fence, next to his boyhood home...

@@brj_han Seems like a Paul Bunyan's axe kind of thing but I would still go to see the home.

imagine at 2 am, charging your EV and having a gun in your hand, just in case

1. Kid battery mineral labor 2. Some people get extreme range anxiety 3. Much higher risk of garage fires...... 4. Paying $15k to $20k more than a comparable vehicle.. 5. every time you fuel up an EV, the fuel tank gets smaller and smaller. Battery degeneration. 6. Poor resale value. The porsche Taycan turbo S model Ev, loses over $100,000 dollars in value, in just 4 years time. That's $100k!, or $25k per year. A Nissan leaf Ev loses over half its value in 2.5 years. Here's a little joke ; how do you double the value of an Ev, when you go to sell it?.... Answer; you leave a $1 coin in the glove box. 7. Much reduced performance from the battery in the cold, on the highway. 8. Higher repair costs, where many, many mechanics refuse to work on them or aren't trained to do so. 9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather, without restrooms. 10. Higher insurance rates. The UK is a great example. 11. Replacing tires more frequently. Michelin states that tires wear out 20% faster on an Ev, and could be as high as 50% faster! Ev tires made for ev's, cost 20 to 30% more, than regular tires for ice cars. As Ev tires wear out, they leave behind more tiny particles of rubber than normal ice cars. This causes more pollution. 12. Death by autopilot, if you use it in cars that have that feature. 13. $15k - $35k battery 14. Low km range per tank of energy. 15. Sometimes, you must wait in-line 1-2 hrs to charge. 16. Then wait more time to charge, while charging. 17. Spontaneous combustion, with no way to put out the fire storm. 18. If they catch fire in a tunnel, many people will die. 19. People without a pro charger system or a parking spot at their house, will run an extension cord to the road, which is dangerous and could lead to people tampering with your charging setup (super slow charging at the road). Currently illegal to run an extension cord to the street in most places. 20. If you're in California, you won't be able to charge your car past 4pm because of a shortage of electricity supply on the cheesy grid. 21. It is not actually "green". The pollution is made at the power station, and during the manufacturing process, not the car. In advance of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, Volvo released figures claiming that greenhouse gas emissions during production of an electric car are nearly 70% higher than when manufacturing a petrol one. 22. Only 5% of used junk batteries get recycled, the rest go directly into the bin. It's cheaper to mine for new minerals. 23. Chhinna actually does 70% of all the refining of the minerals and production of the batteries. 24. Minerals are becoming more and more scarce, and the cost will only go up, not down. 25. Some countries where they mine for lithium, actually use a very big boat load of fresh water to only produce 1 ton of lithium, so they are afraid of running out of water. It takes over 2 million liters of fresh clean water to produce 1 ton of lithium.

Here's more... 26. Ev cars will soon not be able to drive in tunnels or be able to park in underground parking garage and probably will eventually void your house insurance if you park it in your personal garage..... 27. It is very hard to charge your battery at super stations when it is bitter cold out. Look to Chicago news for this situation. 28. If a fire truck comes to put out an Ev fire, all the chemicals go directly into the sewer or storm drain system, poisoning everything. They need tons of water to slow down the burn. They can't actually put the fires out, they are only trying to prevent other things near by from catching fire. 29. Ok, there are 2 good things; regenerative braking, which charges the battery while you are slowing down on the highway, which saves your brakes from much wear. It has come to my attention that some people set up their regen system for maximum regen while taking their foot off the accelerator pedal, and not "coasting". For best mpg, you must coast more. You need to "hyper mill" for best mpg. If regen is set too high, passengers will end up puking. This happens because the car is too quiet and accelerating and slowing down to fast. 30. Loss of fuel tax revenue, so now the roads will only get worse, not better, but... The state of new Jersey will have a new annual road tax for Ev buyers, starting July 1st, 2024. The fee starts at $250 in July and will increase by $10 until 2028, when it reaches $290. EV buyers in the state will also have to pay four years of registration fees upfront, making it significantly more expensive to purchase a new electric model. Other states also have their own way of collecting money. 31. in Dublin, huge diesel generators are being used to charge EV buses, due to electrical grid strain. buses in Athlone also cannot be put on charge until midnight, for the same reason. Bus Éireann is saying that they can't charge their buses until 11pm for the same reason, and to avail of a lower tariff. 32. Not everyone on earth even has electricity to charge their cars. What are they supposed to do in 2035? It's easy to get a bucket of fuel to power up a regular car. 33. VCE, or "vapour cloud explosion" is very bad. If any battery, typically anything larger than an E-scooter battery, and especially only "half" charged. If a problem occurs in the cells, it might not catch on fire right away. Instead, a cloud appears, and then may be ignited a short period afterwards. There are 2 different types of vapour clouds that appear; heavier and lighter than air, which form will be dominate, can not be predicted yet. This produces a bomm. 34. For Ev transport trucks, they aren't allowed to carry the same payload as a diesel truck, because of the massive weight of the battery. The owner of the Ev truck therefore loses potential profit, every day. They also lose more profit for the waiting times for charging that Ev truck. The driver will get paid to charge the truck, which in turn forces the owner of the truck to lose more money. 35. Ev cars are more likely to be written off, if they experience a minor collision. After the collision, something could have upset the structural integrity of the battery. 36. Ev cars lie to you. If you are bold enough to go out on a decent road trip and its 210 miles, one way, and your Ev tells you that your battery will last you 223 miles, there had better be no hills, or excessively cold out.... You'll probably get stranded, trying to get to the charger, at the end of the trip. Ev's have left many families stranded already. 37. Ev's and their batteries, will soon need their very own "passport". With all info about them when born, and current info about them (power output, resistance, mineral composition, etc.) 38. Thieves stealing charging cables, will soon make it impossible to "fuel" an Ev car. They take a long time to replace the cables, just to have them cut again for scrap money. 39. Cars were typically being made lighter and lighter using aluminum and or fiberglass and or carbon fiber, to reduce emissions and pollution. Ev's are only getting heavier and heavier, causing more pollution than ever. Remember, an ev's pollution is made at the power station and the dump, not at the actual Ev, except for the tire particles as mentioned above. 40. More on spontaneous combustion of the battery. What if you had 3 children strapped into car seats, in the back seat, which kid do you rescue? More fires start so fast, there is hardly any time for even the driver to escape, let alone 3 kids strapped in. 41. There must be a reason that Boeing 787's aren't battery powered.... Until jets are battery powered, I'll be sticking to fossil fuels for my mode of transportation. 42. Can't bring an Ev up north in the woods, nor any battery powered chain saws, where there are no grids to charge them up. You would need a huge amount of solar panels to get you anywhere. 43. Even Mr. Bean, (Rowan Atkinson) says; "I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped". "When you start to drill into the facts, electric motoring doesn’t seem to be quite the environmental panaceaa it is claimed to be." "It seems a perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobile’s fight against the climate crisis." Mr. Bean (Rowan Atkinson) is a smart man. 44. There isn't a used market for ev's. How are teenagers going to buy and insure a $50K Ev... (take your pick: either $50,000 new or a $20000 used EV that needs a $20K battery replacement in a few years)?? A teenager can buy a used $1k ice car and be set up for 5 years, no problem. 45. Even if large transport trucking companies have a service where they could just swap out their pouch batteries for a freshly charged battery, the lifespan of the battery would be greatly reduced to maybe a couple of years. Recharging a huge battery 3 or 4 times per day would really hurt the battery in short order. 46. If an Ev car goes up in flames on a huge cargo ship, the whole cargo ship sinks. Happened many times already. 47. Many many people claim that driving in an Ev makes them, their family and their dogs sick. Motion sickness. 48. With the extended charge times in the public, there is a much greater chance of getting mugged or car jacked. In a tesla, if you see a criminal gang heading right towards you to mug you and steal your tesla, you can't just drive off. You must go outside, disconnect the charger, go back inside your tesla, turn it on, put it into drive mode, and then attempt to flee the muggers, with the little time you still have remaining. In a regular petrol car, all you must do is put it in drive or 1st gear, and flea the situation. The fuel pump hoses have nice quick-disconnect couplings that pull apart when you go to attempt to flee criminals. This saves much time, your car, and potentially your invaluable life! 49. When your Ev is at 10% Battery left, and you head out to find a public fast charger bank of 10 fast chargers, and they are all full, and ok, some aren't working, and there is a line up of another 10 cars in front of the fast charger bank, you might not be garenteed that once you actually have access to a "fast" charger, that it will actually be capable of "fast" charging. You see, there is only so much power alloted to a full bank of "fast" chargers. You will get fast charging for maybe 5 or 6 chargers being used at a bank of 10, but connect 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 ev's to that bank of 10, the bank as a whole will throttle charging power output to all cars, so as to not fry all the wiring of the bank or blow the fuse or breaker. With 10 cars charging at that bank of fast chargers, it will become a bank of "slow" chargers. I would have of thought that this would be designed into a fast charging bank. Some charging stations might not throttle you down. 50. BMW i5 Ev cars and some similar models of BMW protect their battery life. If you DC "fast" charge to many times, a message pops up saying that you must wait 2 days to "fast DC charge" again. This protects your battery. Some say that you can DC fast charge, but at a reduced rate, and some say that the alarm resets once you ac charge 1 time. 51. With the promise of "better, cheaper battery technology", many people are waiting for that technology to arrive... (allegedly). That is pushing down the price of current Ev sales. This also pushes down price of the used Ev market. When Tesla continually cut down the price of new ev's, to artificially stoke demand, it also pushes down the price of all used ev's as well. 52. Right now, the cost of throwing out or recycling your Ev Battery is $zero. One day, I'll imagine that there will be a heavy fee to get rid of your battery (allegedly). 53. Regular ice cars almost never burst into flames, by themselves, while not being used, while ev's tend to burst into uncontrollable flames by themselves, with the owner nowhere to be found. 54. Some, if not most, "battery powered" firetrucks also include a diesel engine, for when the "tuff" gets going. So not only does the main battery get charged up on the grid, where "fossil fuels" get burnt to produce electricity, when the batteries go flat, "fossil fuels" are there again, to save the day. *not all of these points affect every Ev, or Ev driver, or every Ev charging station or bank* There's this Ev van company called "Arrival", in the UK. It's been around for 10 years or so. It was worth around $13 billion just 2 years ago.... They didn't sell a single unit, and are now bankrupt.

I know. Every single tip he gave was an inconvenience and a reason why you wouldn’t get one. Yet he actually pretty much admits that they are restrictive. ‘Don’t worry kids. We can’t eat at that lovely cafe down the road with the great view of the National Park. But no charger. We have to eat at a freeway petrol/gas station plaza….’

@@jakefriesenjake point 29, regen Regen is a fallacy - it can only ever partially recover some of the energy already extracted from the battery to power the wheels Personally, I think of the charge state of an EV battery as being similar to how a traditional roller coaster works Drag the train to the highest point of the track and let it go. From there, it can gain speed at the cost of height but it can never regain height more than where it started from Eventually it will deplete all it's energy due to the rolling resistance of friction

@@RiverMersey I agree. But it actually does charge your battery, while slowing down, and does save on brake pad wear. Obviously not 100% gain back, but it is something. If you were cruising down the highway at 80mph at 57.296% charge left in the battery, by the time you get down to a stop, while gently applying the brake pedal, if the car says that the battery now has a charge of 57.898% left, it did charge the battery through regen braking. I'm not saying that it's that efficient, it only gives you some charge back.

@@necroslair Rolling coal when passing Teslas is the best game in the world.

@@necroslair My Dodge Turbo Diesel is a 12 valve and can't roll coal but I can sure smoke them with the CAT 3208 in my 1991 motor home.

😂

Stay at a few hotels huh,,,now you are adding a few hundred dollars to your trip if you can find ones with rooms available. This whole EV thing is total crap anywhere you look. I want my trips to be simple efficient and cost effective, not drawn out repeated episodes of the series "Survival."

As an EV owner, I can guarantee you that you have spent more time standing waiting for your car to fill up than I have spent waiting for my battery to charge.

@Audioremedy0785 would love to understand your logic there...

@@fredfred2363 the logic is quite simple. I have both a diesel and an EV car. With my diesel car I have to keep an eye on its fuel level and when it’s low, make a trip to a petrol station and I have to spend my time waiting for it to fill up. With my EV it tells me when it needs charge and I just take out my connector and plug it in. The next day it’s full. Let’s also factor in that my diesel is costing me £80 for 600 miles. My EV is costing me £9 for the same. That’s £71 that I’m having to spend time at work earning.

@@Audioremedy0785 You have 3 cars? Surely your EV is enough? Or isn't it? Obviously not as you need 2 other cars. I have been a 1 car family for 30 years. Never needed 2 to fulfill my needs or even 3. What a waste of money having to buy 3 cars and 3 insurance and 3 servicing and 3 mots and 3 sets of tyres and brakes. You are not typical. The vast majority of families have 1 car or 2 very cheap ones.

@@thehairygolfer I have 2 cars. A Diesel and an EV. And I have 2 cars because there are 4 of us in my family. Regardless of how wonderful my Tesla is, it unfortunately cant be in 2 places at once.

Imagine selling having to eat at a petrol station cafe instead of some cafe down a country lane with the family as something of a benefit. It’s hilarious they even try to.

Just witnessed a similar thing coming back from Cornwall. Fed up people and children queueing in hot cars trying to put a brave face on as everyone else passes them by. Great fun for all the family!

Sounds like a WONDERFUL vacation to pay for the privilege of a coal-powered 'electric vehicle' that cost 30% more to buy new and depreciated 50% as soon as you drove it off the lot!

How are they a pain for ICE drivers?

Absolutely correct! 💯👍 Further, car makers know financially how badly EVs are hurting them - it's only the legislation that still insists on continuing with this nonsense

@@aliendroneservices6621 my take on that was that EVs are a pain for ICE drivers due to the future pressures the ICE drivers could have in driving "Havana" / unsupported cars - for how long will we continue to be able to get spare parts and maintenance for the presently existent ICE fleet?

@@aliendroneservices6621 Higher road tax and insurance also for ice drivers, traffic jam because of fools with flat batteries, less parking lots for ice cars because they are used for stupid load stations, more bad roads because of extra weight EV's, higher risk to burn down your car when parked close to an EV....should i continue?

...bit like the convid then😂

and then do that again 2 hours later, and 2 hours after that. Tax office will be looking at you, as will the doctors hovering with anti-obesity advice...

@tediousmaximus1067 If you do a tax return every charge, you must be an accountant. I use a drive through if I'm super hungry. Filling up, paying at the pump take no more than 3 minutes. Max.

that's one hell of a shit ain't it.

I usually do all that when I arrive home, 80 minutes earlier than you.

Hey at least you'll never have to worry about constipation. Might have a few other worries during your trip tho...

Its watching my money go down the plughole as £40k to £0 in depreciation would be my main concern.

And it is a very long list indeed! You would have to be financially illiterate at the very least to actually buy one of these things.

Tell that to every single fire department who's been forced to use the jaws of life to cut someone out of an ICE vehicle after an accident. EVs have manual door release handles just like any other car and can be cut open just the same. And I really don't really think the type of fire matters much to someone stuck in a burning vehicle.

muh high tech EV that traps me inside with an exploding battery.

So many are deeply financially committed to a problem they know they created for themselves.

@@rustysworldofentertainment850 Including the manufacturers.

@@hendrikdebruin4012 True that.

Are we at the charging point yet, dad? Dad? Dad? Dad, I don’t understand those words you’ve just used. Dad, why have you gone red in the face and why have you got steam coming out of your ears? 😂

Marge, do we HAVE to stop for another bleedin’ sandwich? (See what I did there?)

“Is it charged yet?”

Are we charged yet? Are we charged yet? Are we charged yet?

@@prussiaaero1802 growing up in the 70's & 80's im glad to never know the hours of charge waiting.

When we drove to California years ago there were signs telling us how far it was to the next gas station and strongly suggesting that you never travel with less than a full tank. Sitting on the side of the road in 110 degrees in the desert heat hoping someone comes along is no way to spend a vacation.

Exactly!!

Include the fact the ev needs to be written off financially from the beginning. The others have resale value.

But why buy an extra car just for local trips, when an IC car is already great for that too?

@@markloubser2433 For most, depreciation contributes by far the largest chunk of cost per km. In ICE vehicles, one can get to a point where maintainence and depreciation are low. The values of my now vintage 29 yr old Beemer 328 is raising slightly, the 12 year old Hilux is pretty flat, the 8 yr old F48 X1 Beemer is still depreciating, but not fast. All three are low on maintainence and tediously reliable. EVs are disposable items within 5-10 yrs. Inital depreciation is as a cliff face.....Actually, the graph is more akin to the flight path of Stuka JU87 dive bomber, doing its thing. But, where the pilot becomes a casualty at the point of bomb release, resulting in it ploughing into the deck. There should be a Stukaresque depreciation siren on the bloody things! And a fag packet type depreciation health warnings emblazoned on the dash.

If the places I'm going are only within 5 miles, I'd rather bike or walk there than waste time, money, and risk a conflagration from a stinking EV. If it's within 50 miles, and I was worried about gas, I'd get an economy car that gets 40 mpg on average.

Nope, we do not stop to eat. We pop in to service station, fill the tank, grab some unhealthy food and go ahead with happy oinking!

Im a celiac i have to pack my own food i just want to get there not have to make a bloody picnic for every tripl 😂

We stop for restroom breaks. We pack a cooler full of drinks, a bag of snacks and either make a few sandwiches or grab some sandwiches or wraps while topping off. Do the 15 min bathroom break about 4 hours in. Stop if needed afterwards. We stop when we want to. My truck has a 36 gallon tank and typically gets 21-22 mpg at highway speeds + 3 up to 75 mph. I'd get an EV for driving around town though. But I'll never replace my F150 as my main vehicle. Unless it was with a similar F150 or F250. It does everything pretty good, mpg is a little low around town at 17 mpg. But Unless gas is over $5 USD it's manageable. I honestly stopped just driving around for pleasure in about 2008 when our fuel skyrocketed. Long trips are vacations or road trips or to visit the in laws.

I personally like the brakes. I guess we could make an argument that everyone should take regular breaks like truck drivers but I don't think that's fair to people who absolutely can't stop. Different things work for different people

Exactly. Imagine the EV fans actually selling the fact that having to turn off air conditioning in that heat (I’m in Australia as well and the heat most certainly gets magnified in a car and 30 degrees outside can easily become 40+ inside) is a benefit.

@@xr6lad mobile sauna, a bargain at twice the price

I live in texas, we get similar heat out here. I cant imagine the amount of stops you'd have to do in 110 degree heatwave. It gets so hot here It's illegal to leave your dog in your car for any amount of time during spring/summer even with windows down. Some times the roads get 160 degrees+ (Fahrenheit) which is directly under the floor mounted battery... If I left my phone in my car while at work it would refuse to turn on and say overheated. Imagine what that does to the 60 thousand dollar battery stuck in your car.

@@xr6lad no surprise they are from the climate cult that wants everyone to turn off their AC to 'save the planet'. They shotgunned the koolaid like a frat boy and are drunk on climate hysteria.

EV owners need to adapt a 1500W gas generator and carried in the trunk there are very cheap now of days

To be fair, ac and radio consume a miniscule amount of energy. You really need to be running on fumes to resort to that

@@Luka_3D air conditioning does not consume a 'miniscule' amount of electricity. it's a considerable amount and you need to learn some physics. EV owner, are we?

@@Withnail1969 I drive an ev with a tiny battery. It's got a range of 150 miles. If i run the ac it maybe drops the range by 20 miles. I'd rather take a hit on the range than be too hot

@@Luka_3D air conditioning is well know to seriously reduce EV range. I'm not going to debate it with you.

@@Withnail1969 Why are you so defensive? I'm just telling you it's not that bad from my experience 😂 Am I not allowed to correct false info that can be debunked with a quick google search?

Watering a horse is far easier, you don’t have to plug it in and it’s fast.

You can fill up a horse anywhere there's a pool of water and there's never a long wait for the horse in front of you to drink their fill.

As someone who regularly does road trips in an EV, I can tell you it’s a fraction as stressful as going in a petrol car.

@@Audioremedy0785at least try a bit harder mate. I have never had a stressful trip in a petrol car. Ever. And I’m guessing your comment won’t have any effect on anyone driving a petrol car because like that article, they can see immediately what you just said was bollocks.

@@xr6lad you say ‘try a bit harder’, I’m just stating something from experience of someone who has actually done road trips in both. I personally find the idea of paying £80 for fuel that I could otherwise buy for less than £10 to be quite stressful. You have no idea how nice it is to go on a road trip and relax and enjoy yourself while the car is driving itself. You might not have had a stressful journey in a petrol car in the past, but you will when the earth runs out of fuel for your car. As you will just be stuck on your driveway. 👍🏻

@@Audioremedy0785 Worst day i've done only around 100 smi due to backtracking, faulty chargers, random stops in charging that needed intervention etc. Was a Renault Zoe. I can get a cheaper car with petrol that I can refuel for less money at any time. And it works.

@@Audioremedy0785paying £80 quid is hardly ‘stressful’. Really. You stress over buying petrol but not sitting around at a petrol station for 30 minutes to an hour pretending to the family that’s where you really wanted to stop and eat? Strange. But you don’t stress paying public charging fees or buying a car that cost more than an ice initially? By the way if the earth runs out of oil then it’s going to run out of the stuff to make your wonder battery.

Oh wow, nice!

Not surprised. Musk’s erratic behavior and Tesla firings combined with people waking up about EVs, are going to kill Tesla sales.

Yeah, what would normally be just a long haul and the only variable being the ETA, a lot of the stuff that we see EV owners doing is smiling with relief for just being able to make the journey in the first place. A friend of mine when on business trips always hires an ICE car rather than risking taking his EV!

So funny 🤣 the whole holiday becomes about the car and just trying to nurse the thing hour by hour and keeping it at the forefront of your mind at all times until you finally make it home. What a nightmare.

Speaking about survival, what if you have to evacuate an area in case of a hurricane or an invasion like in Ukraine? Good luck being an EV driver.

That reminds me of a time I exited in nowhere Missouri (banjo country) to avoid a huge backup. Family in the back. I wandered the hollers of nowhere Missouri for over an hour and a half and over 70 miles before making it back to the interstate. I never saw a gas station, no problem as I still had half a tank, over 200 miles, when I exited. Let it be known: There ain’t no charging stations in the backwoods and hollers of Missouri.

Wait until daybreak and set up your emergency charging unit that you are towing. Fifty solar panels or a fossil fuel powered generator. Oh, and never pick up hitch hikers because their weight will cause an increase in power requirement from the battery, and further reduce your vehicles range.

Just sit tight, an electric tow truck is on its way...soon as it's done charging 😆

​@peterrhodes5663 and forget about bringing any luggage either, you can just buy all new shit when you get to your destination....Fantastic

I have had to deliver EVs and had to find a very slow charger on a street on the outskirts of London at 3am. Not a pleasant experience. It was the 3rd charge of the day/night for a 250 mile trip. Used BMW i3. The battery needed to be full for delivery so had to charge it a FORTH time at 7am.

Also, legislation seemed to forget that while incandescent bulbs did "waste" energy as heat - that heat was useful to the building they were in

The incandescent bulb was outlawed just as the last patents ran out on the most efficient automatic machines available to one of the world's longest running cartels making them. Quite a coincidence. The much more expensive "low energy photonic bulb" was a mass production flop as a common more profitable light source to replace incandscent but today serves well as a smart phone "control/ information interface disply".

The forced experimental medicine in 2020/21 - have we not learnt our leasson from that?

Unlike fluorescent and LED lighting, there is no room to improve on battery tech, it's maxed out. Why people think batteries are a good thing is beyond me, all they do is store energy created elsewhere by something actually useful. It's a bandaid, it's not a solution to energy needs of any kind because they don't generate energy...

of course depends on your climate but. yes. here where i lieve heating runs 7-8 months a year, and heating via electricity is more effcient than my gas furnace, so incandescent light bulbs were actually a bit more efficient overall versus led, even with summer waste ​@@RiverMersey

If you're only feeding your baby twice a day I think you're neglecting it lol. More like 6 or 7 times a day

Good comment... I remember those too.

Slot cars! I had Strombecker

Had salesmen do this all the time. They kept telling me how I could change my manufacturing process so that whatever POS they were selling would work , just so they could sell me one.

Yes, queue for the charge, immediately followed by queue for the meal and toilets - what's not to like?

@@RiverMersey until the food runs out, the toilets overflow and yah have to dumpster dive

Not to worry. Hamburgers will be $25 each at anyplace with a captive customer. It will all balance out.

Lmao and that's if you are cruising along your road trip freezing with the air turned off. Turn on the heater and you'll likely last half as long. Since you cant use 100% of your battery without damaging it people typically are dissuaded from going above 80% or below 20%... so your range is ALREADY cut by 40% even in ideal conditions if you are taking care of your car and following it's warning messages. Absolute madness. But hey at least the EV does 0-60 in 4.309349!3i8*$ seconds right? It's .5 seconds faster than car X or Y so its better right? Which you'll never be using due to you limping to the next charging station...

I live in a cold winter climate and use my heater and heated seats and see about 30-35% range reduction. Has never once impacted my daily commute off 40 miles. Why are people so hung up on road trips when 99% of your driving is daily commutes? My BEV is so much more convenient and cheaper to drive in my day to day I will gladly swap that for a SLIGHTLY less convenient road trip. Even in winter with charging at home it s cost me less than $45 to drive my car 1000 miles.

TX's suicide offramps to the parallel access roads dont help much especially when they are icy

@@zarthemad8386 Yup. This was early New Years Morning ;93. We could have escaped via the off-ramps, but they were so inclined it was not wise. So there we set.

Actually I was in a similar situation this winter. In 4 hours I lost maybe 7% battery. I keep a 10% buffer anyway for those kinds of situations. I arrived to the planned charger with 4%

​@@Luka_3DAnd if you had run out if battery while stuck in freeway, you need a tow to a charger at your expense. With an ICE if run out if gas, you hitch a ride, buy a $10 gas can, hitch ride back and drive the car to the station. Anyway you look at it, EV are costlier.

@@slotcarfan Or I could ask someone to pull me for a few km while I'm in full regen and then continue to the nearest level 2 charger once I get enough battery back. That's like the last resort. It's not convenient but someone would probably tow me for 10$

Not my experience. I've *never* spent more than 30 minutes charging my EV, and it's usually more like 20, regardless of charge state. When at home, I plan to charge the car at a supermarket that has 6 chargers in the parking lot, and it's a race to see if I can get in and out of the store before the car is done charging.

My 2014 commuter charges from 10 to 80% in 30 minutes. It only charges at 40kw too. Today cars are charging at up to 350kw so we're well below 20 minutes by now

@@Luka_3D 2014 commuter? Is that a car brand? what type and battery size are you talking about?

@@litestuffllc7249 No I just call any small basic car a commuter. Like, basically designed to just get you to work and back and to the store. I have an e-Golf. It has a 35 kwh battery

@@Luka_3D OK eGolf - In the US where I am Teslas are the dominant type with 60 or 80 kWh batteries so the charging would be shorter for your vehicle. So given this; what is the typical range you get on the highway speeds?

No one in their right mind would bother steal it

That’s I95 in Virginia between DC & Fredericksburg every day of the week.

Reality check: EV's use almost no power when creeping along. In your scenario, any EV would be just fine.

As someone else pointed out, EVs use almost no power creeping forward so you would be fine

🎶Electric Vacation 🎶

But then they came out with " i can't believe it's not butter. I wonder if that was the hybrid. 🤣🤣🤣

Well with my previous ice car I had to scrape off ice every morning before I started driving. Now I just push a button on my phone when I wake up and 30 minutes later I got a preheated car with defrosted windows. I'd call that progress. On a side note though, I'm kinda sad we don't have more steam cars. Yes they were inconvenient but the whistles, the smoke, the character... It was magical. Plus, the insane torque of those engines was next level

Yes. No one wants to charge outside the home.

If i could park outside my home, I might consider an EV. But it'd need at 350mile range on a single charge. Did a trip to the beach yesterday, 300 mile round trip. Great day out!

until you hit a speed bump and damage the battery

if everyone had EVs .. your typical home with a couple and a teenager .. would need a 3-spot garage. Where i come from, space is a premium and there arent that many homes with this spare capacity

@@jjolla6391 I wouldn't of even considered an EV if i couldn't charge at home.. I am lucky to have off-street parking i guess.

30 minutes is just enough to get the car to the public charg…oh, i see what they are doing.

Can’t even sell it without hurting the kids’ feelings…

Why wouldn't I be able to go on holidays with my Tesla?

Wherever did you get that idea?

I had a pretty good time on mine

Headwinds can make a large difference even in ICE vehicles. I was driving to Corpus Christi pulling a travel trailer into a 30 MPH headwind and I could not get my truck over 60 MPH. I drove my 36 foot motor home in a similar set of conditions and it cut the fuel economy from 10 MPG to 8 MPG but it has a 150 gallon diesel tank. It has so much power that I did not notice the headwind until I got out to fuel up.

I've done the trip 8 times in an ice car. You would have to stop at every electric charger from Port Augusta onwards. You just don't know if the next one will work, be available, have a queue etc - so bank for extra accomodation - which may or may not be available!! I'd say add an extra two or three days each way, plus an extra 2 nights accomodation each way. You gain time heading west - but driving into the sun, you lose time heading east but driving with the sun behind you. A very tiring trip, especially if worried about range and charging availability.

@@thesolver1970 I've done it once and I'd rather swim in the Yarra than do it again. You sir, are much braver than I. 🤣👍

Just add 15 days extra

@@geoffsclassiccars 🤣

@@thesolver1970 shouldn't you have a bull-bar for travelling in those places? that's an extra weight to drain your EV ..

You could just get a Tesla. 175 miles in 15 minutes. That’s the average pee break.

@@Audioremedy0785 I can't afford a Tesla.

@@Kaesemesser0815 not my fault mate 👍🏻

@@Audioremedy0785 Fair enough, but my ICE car is affordable and reliably gets me where I want.

​@@Audioremedy0785 Or you could just get a modern efficient Diesel car, like myself. Over 1200 Km (746 miles) of range in less than 5 minutes. You have the freedom to a break anywhere, whenever and as long as You want. I refuel my car once a month. 😉 Also, Teslas are depreciating at a much faster rate in comparison to other brands. They lose around 30% of value year by year. No wonder that Teslas are easily written off by insurers, even for minor accidents.

Just as a reminder, they are selling at record levels and leaving ice cars in the dust.

@@Audioremedy0785 Still a tiny percentage of the market and now manufacturers including market leader BYD are bailing in favor of hybrids__ writing is on the wall.

@@Audioremedy0785 Really?

@@EllieMaes-Grandad if you listen to what the moron on this channel says you wouldn’t believe it. But 2023 was a record breaking year for EV sales. The best selling car in the world was an EV. And Q1 sales for EVs were even higher. It’s funny because the twist is ‘Tesla reduce prices’ but the reason for this is that demand for EVs is so high that the market place is getting more and more competitive and price sensitive. If you do some research it will blow your mind how this guy misrepresents information. It’s honestly embarrassing.

@@Audioremedy0785 And what does that say about people?

I think some people are genuinely frightened by that idea, they like the security and predictability of having their route and activities planned for them ahead of time.

Same here. EVs are an attack on this freedom. I will be having none of it.

so do i. for me any need to plan takes away a bit of freedom. But the world, sadly, moves more and more into everything preplanned, and people scared and lost if it is not. Remember times ehen you did not prebook hotels or, horror horror, sometimes even plane tickets ?

Same for me. I love driving in winter in the snow on gravel roads. Owning an ev hasn't changed that

Lotus Cortina! Worth a fortune now if it’s survived.

I am envious. I would love to have one.

Man it's insane to me how many gas stations are there. Like, they're literally on every corner and the service is also on point at most. I hope we get there one day with chargers. At the moment though they can't even figure out that most customers want roofs over their heads when they get out to plug in their car

You're right about caravans. It's not just the range. There's also almost no pull through chargers so you'd have to unhitch and then charge. Steep hills aren't a problem though because you'll just recover the energy once you go back down

To be honest, having everything in walking distance sounds kinda amazing. No need to deal with idiots who can't drive or delays because the roads are stuffed with people going to work

With todays infrastructure, I can drive across the entirety of the Australian desert in a medium range ev. I seriously doubt I couldn't plan my route to visit all the destinations you visited. Not saying it would be as convenient or easy as with a gas car. Just saying, you can do it relatively easily.