They don't know in Arizona what we did in Colorado on the trail if we saved them or betrayed them if we did the job we went for or we failed Hard times in Arizona with rangers and the settlers givin’ ground To the raiders and militias, and it seemed we'd lose the good life that we’d found Then Buchanan made his offer find my kids and I will help you save your land So we rode for Colorado Prayin’ that he’d be an honest man In Denver we found Valor, a son who didn’t live up to his name He’d turned against his father, sidin’ with the old man’s rivals seeking fame Though his rivals tried to stop us we captured Valor like we said we would And brought him home to daddy who made it pretty clear just where he stood Then we made our way to Aspen to find Buchanan’s misbegotten son A sicko name of Victory who pulled the legs off humans just for fun Though we’d promise not to kill him after seein’ what he’d done he had to die Which brought trouble from Buchanan but we didn’t notice any others cry On a track halfway to Kansas we found Buchanan’s daughter makin’ plans To conquer Colorado with the help of desperados, gangs and clans Though she swore she’d not surrender we’d promised not to end her, come what may So we shot the folks around her then bound her and we took her from the fray In the end it became clear that Buchanan was no better than his kids And if we let him stay in power then Colorado would be headin’ for the skids So, with the blessing of his subjects, we exiled him and took away his throne And thus we rescued Colorado and still saved our dear old Arizona home They don't know in Arizona what we did in Colorado on the trail if we saved them or betrayed them if we did the job we went for or we failed But when winter turns to spring and news newcomers bring, they’ll know That the Rangers kept their promise and the aid from Colorado’s gonna flow
I made my Team November basically the FNG rejects of the rangers, no one thoughy they were worth spit so they sent em to Colorado, which just made getting this ending all the more heartwarming seeing my rejects save the day
I know it says this is the end of November's story but to be honest being the ones who pulled off the impossible seems a bit too good to leave you know?
Imagine you're doing a role playing game with friends and you nat 1 so hard your DM pulls out a guitar and sings an elaborate song to tell you try another option.
I can't say this is the best ending, I always felt more comfortable with destroying the Reagan AI and leaving the Machines in peace to be friends with humans.
Honestly exiling Saul seems so fucking wrong to me. He was dealt an extremely shitty hand but he made the best choices he could. Those choices killed hundreds maybe thousands of innocent people to die, but without him and the choices he made EVERYONE would be dead or enslaved. He did wrong, and a lot of it. But he did three maybe four times as much good. Most importantly, he made damn sure Colorado and as many of its people survived. And if you don’t know that a leaders first and highest priority, survival, and it’s rarely pretty, ESPECIALLY in a post apocalypse world. Angela lost her way, she was an agent of chaos, chose morally pure death for EVERYONE instead of a morally grey life. Such fantasies are not compatible with reality and would’ve definitely gotten nearly everyone and everything in the territories of Colorado AND Arizona COMPLETELY wiped out. Over the ugly price survival cost. She would burn down the house in order to watch Saul burn. THAT is NOT the Ranger way. She literally murdered half her “fellow rangers” simply for being loyal to someone who she has a different political/moral opinion from. She waged war on the streets of Colorado Springs, rolling up the disenfranchised locals who proceeded to attack and destroy anything they could, forcing us to put them down. And she chose ALL of this, to punish a dying man for making an impossible choice which had no better alternatives, decades into the past. That is not the Ranger way. That is the way of tyranny, of destruction, chaos, and evil. She needed to be stopped, but mind or by gun, she had to stop. And in the end it mostly all worked out. Saul would pass away soon, giving power to the rangers, whom in my head cannon would immediately execute victory and liberty while letting valor live. Then eventually with the aid of the robot commune, attempt fix the Reagan ai(while making him ALOT less psychotic) and ousting the one head Nancy for leading them astray which would hopefully repair the relationship between all three parties. Then focusing on long term stabilization and rebuilding and preparing for more conflict from the eastern gangs out in Kansas. Eventually in a few decades perhaps even start expanding east and civilize the region. I could easily see the rangers parallel the ncr from fallout.
Wow a lot of thought went into this comment. Thanks for taking the time to write it out. Hard to argue with your point of view! Can definitely see the rangers resembling the NCR like you say, and Angela is most definitely a heavily flawed character. Saul I did like actually and I must admit felt bad when he was outed. He sacrificed a lot to do the things he did. Nobody is perfect and he definitely made the best of a bad situation
@@Krushner20 if these Arizona Rangers were a thing in Fallout universe, I feel like they'd be originally a separate faction first (similar to BoS - remnants of US military), but then join up with a more developed and supplied NCR as SpecOps group. Pretty much how it was described in New Vegas. But then again, Seth from Fallout 1 was implied to be one of them desert rangers (a loose reference to OG Wasteland at the time as devs lost rights to the IP) As for Saul, I really felt conflicted while playing the game. He's a ass sure, but he really tried his best in the given situation. Got November Reigns ending too, but, if I recall correctly, imprisoned him for his crimes.
Sure he did more good than bad, but he still had to pay for his sins, and you can't punish a man who doesn't even know his ass from a hole in the ground, and he would have been that if we let him retire.
I love the grey morality of this ending, without Saul and his acts both noble and criminal, Colorado wouldn't likely exist in the state that it is in to even help the Arizona Rangers in the first place, but because of him they have a chance to survive. Yet for civilization to continue fairly, he still has to be tried for the crimes he has committed in the end, he is not above the law, for real justice and law to continue growing, he has to be arrested too. It's great writing, and shows you an interesting perspective of the nature of human society, and it's ever-changing laws and customs. Angela Deth did strike me as weird, I thought they'd be more options on dealing with her in the Ranger way instead of just kind of letting them entirely team up with November. It's really strange how she sent you to free a slaver warlord and such but you can't really confront them about it -- I suppose the idea is that, in the end, they have noble intentions and want what Team November is ultimately able to grant; a stable Colorado with real justice not under the control of any tyrant. That said, you could also argue Saul had good intentions as well. Personally, I think there should be a snippet where Angela's Ranger status is put under review, working with raiders and slavers is definitely losing your way, regardless of how noble your intentions are, as we saw with the Patriarch. I feel like the developers would have added someone like that if they had more time, but from what I heard they had to release the game six months early, so I can't gripe too much, especially since I loved the writing anyway. Also, I might add, that despite this not being mentioned, I think Saul in some way would have been able to appreciate his incarceration, and am a bit surprised there wasn't a single bit of dialogue for it. Obviously he can't be too happy about being in prison for life, but with his ideals of an old world America and civilization, I imagine some part of him would be happy to see that even a man like himself can't escape his crimes, and that real justice is coming back to the wasteland, regardless of if they like it or not.
Closest thing to a good ending objectively for the fate of Colorado. You manage to take down a tyrannical dictator and put him in a fair trial for the people to judge him, whilst removing Angela from the scene peacefully so she can start her own ranger unit away from Colorado (and possibly team up with the Arizona rangers for a noble cause than making noise from within the ranks hopefully). All the decent small communities get to live peacefully (more or less with the Nancy and AI commune) and live their lives with trade with only the gangs to worry about. Colorado Springs itself can finally change to a true society of what was once a bygone country of its former glory, finally fixing the refugee crisis and Marshall corruption.
The trial feels better for the future of Colorado and is narratively satisfying. Saul thinks it will be a kangaroo court that will kill him because that is what he did. Instead the jury does not give him the death penalty proving that Saul was wrong and Colorado really can reform towards a true democracy.
Saul created that situation himself, not just with his actions, some understandable and maybe even justifiable, some just plain evil, but with his refusal to choose a viable heir even though he was dying. He clearly cared more about his position and reputation and the idea of creating a dynasty through his bloodline than he actually did about Colorado or the people. That doesn't even count his poor management of things like the oil situation. So what he threw Arizona a lifeline, he didn't do it for free and he didn't do it out of the kindness of his heart. He deserves no more consideration than he gave the people he sacrificed to the gangs... noticeably not any of the rich families...bet those kids that sided with the Dorseys would never have made it to the kites or the meat grinder or the slavers. No, Saul is trash and the only reason to side with him over Angela is that she's stupid --no plan except deposing the Patriarch and no truly viable way to do that with November -- and on the way to becoming just as bad as Saul. She was perfectly willing to throw the refugees in the line of fire, screw over Arizona, and unleash Cordite onto Kansas to get what she wanted. She tells herself it's for the greater good, just like Saul. Played through twice, and happily left Colorado to its fate both times. I'd like to think the Marshalls and the 100 Families would get together and get rid of him without November's intervention, maybe even get that democracy that the Dorseys were massacred for wanting, but sadly they'll keep kissing his ass since it's good for them until it's too late.
Saul was a tyrant who was running Colorado into the ground, he was sick with a disease that would rapidly have taken him out of the picture leader-wise with no clear line of succession, and wanted his children kept alive regardless of the suffering they were causing Colorado. He wasn't throwing the rangers a lifeline, he needed help badly and we were capable of solving his problems, we just also needed something from him, something i might add, he would only send after we solved literally all his problems, the situation was purely transactional.
@@cs0345 Colorado is a cespool, barely held together by the grip of a dying man. Its done nothing to suggest to me that its worth being 'better off'. But that dying man gave the rangers a deal that was more than fair. To fuck him over because we don't like how he runs his cespool is not only conceited, but incredibly boneheaded and shortsighted.
Save all kids, keep oil flowing(or apparently the cult of the holy detonation nuclear power flowing), be loved by hundred families, Marshall's...and refugees just in case, oh, and get that one guy from the hundred families as your political advisor. Those are the big details, the smaller details are your choice.
It's super late but just in case anyone is finding this this late into things, as someone said you need the Hundred Families guy as your advisor, which he will NOT offer if you allowed the refugees free reign within Colorado Springs and pushed for them to be accepted and given full provisions. You need to side against the Mama lady, which will piss off the refugees, but you can rebuild your rep with them, whereas if you side with her the Hundred Families guy will say he's needed to keep stability in the city due to the influx of refugees (locking out this ending).
It says the rangers thought he was funny, so they gave him a badge. Eventually, he leaves to get some people and try to overthrow the rangers, but he dies after eating a clown burger.
