WASTING TIME/MONEY? Digging Blue Clay to Line Pond, Kubota U48-5 Mini Excavator

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Is Tractor Time with Tim wasting money and time digging out blue clay to line our front yard pond? Tim uses the Kubota U48-5 mini-excavator to dig clay and form a keyway up the pond sides.
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@TheMoparman74 Год назад

The bottom blue clay is not packed yet and pressure from the ground water is pushing it through. You have to pack the blue clay in your keyway. Rent a trench compactor. You should compact that keyway at half Way full point and then fill it and then compact it again. Blue clay is the best packing in helps.

@aaronburford5701 Месяц назад

This pond build is so fascinating... Thanks for sharing, Rewatched!

@TractorTimewithTim Месяц назад

Thanks Aaron. I thoroughly enjoyed this project! We're at the 'finishing touches' now.

@JimFinlayson Год назад

I appreciate you taking us along on this pond adventure.

@rlwdaman1 Год назад

Love to see @letsdig18 get eyes on this pond and offer some advice! Regardless, I'm really enjoying this project and for that matter all your videos. Feel like it doesn't get said enough

@TractorTimewithTim Год назад

Thanks for the kind words!

@Kcolby47 Год назад

I enjoy the pond project videos. There’s something satisfying about watching you work and comment. Your commentary along with the work, makes me feel like I’m right there with you as you explain what you’re doing. It’s like a personal dialog of; information, advice, concerns, next steps, processes, plans and possible outcomes that make them so interesting. And don’t forget Christy’s great editing and annotations. Fun to watch. Also, I too really, really like my Lube Shuttle grease gun with the Lock N Lube so much! Blessings.

@jefflawsonqwest Год назад

Tim, I think you are 100% on the right track. Keep doing what you are doing with the clay cutoff wall. After it’s all done and filled, if you find the blue clay isn’t as impervious as you would like and you’re losing water around that lens at 3-4’, you could get a trencher and make a mini bentonite cutoff wall. This is how a lot of gravel pits are dewatered, a cement bentonite cutoff wall. Have fun and be safe!

@revd6239 Год назад

Great progress!!!! It's coming together, stay encouraged. You are helping me!!!😊

@CanadaHardwareGuy Год назад

I think for the amount of work you are going through on this project you really should get a plate compactor and compact it every 18" or so. Or, if you watch some of Letsdig18 videos, he has a small sheeps foot type roller that goes on his mini excavator. You could get one for your excavator and compact as you go.

@aaronburford5701 4 месяца назад

Tim, you and your channel are so interesting to me! I love watching and looking at your content. You must have ALOT of equipment! Have you been doing this as your profession? How long have you been doing these projects and jobs? It is so amazing to me! Thanks so much for sharing!

@TractorTimewithTim 4 месяца назад

We’ve been doing RU-vid for 9 years. I quit my day job in 2019.

@paulmorgan1897 Год назад

Tim, we have been watching for several years and thought we were subscribed. When I want to like this video you mentioned to subscribe and I checked. I was surprised by o find out we were not subscribed. Not sure what happened but we are subscribed now. Thank you for the reminder. Love your videos and you have provided us with several good suggestions and directions on the years.

@TractorTimewithTim Год назад

Thanks Paul!

@cans201 Год назад

Somewhere along the line you said your aim was to do this job with small tractors and you've pretty much stuck to that idea. I'm glad you have and that's why I've been so interested in this project - to see what it really takes to do a job like this. I can now put aside any ideas I had of using my 1025R to remove silt that has collected in my ponds over the years. It would be a disaster so I'll say thanks Tim. I look forward to more videos as you work towards the successful completion of an ambitious project.

@TractorTimewithTim Год назад

Yea. 1025r would be pretty much over it’s head.

@somethingabouttractors241 Год назад

I've helped build a couple of ponds, and we used bentonite as a top layer to hold water. I love watching you work on the pond and figuring it out as you go.

@brettblack7049 Год назад

How much of it did you use. I'm building one and plan on lining it with clay, the adding whatever I need once it's finished. Hope to pack it all in with a large skid, I have it set up with steep sides all the way around except the swimming/beach area. It's rather small at 65x85, and the swimming/beach area will be part of my water height control as I'm in sand/gravel with a few pockets of clay although nothing usable for the lining.

@somethingabouttractors241 Год назад

@brettblack7049 if I remember right, it was at least an inch thick, maybe 2 inches where it was the deepest water

@brettblack7049 Год назад

@somethingabouttractors241 thanks for the response. Even that thick and with the small size of my pond, that would get real expensive quickly. Iirc 3000lbs delivered is nearly 2 grand. I'm not aware of a local source for it near Grand Rapids Mi.

@jwburdett Год назад

You might check with Dirt Perfect. I’ve heard him say that the blue clay in his area won’t work well in a dam. Yours could be different, though. Thank you again for all your hard work and sharing. Lord be with you guys.

@randysavage8963 Год назад

Happy Sunday . Let’s get started

@jamesawtrey2644 Год назад

Clay is clay. The word describes “particle size” and color is more a function of parent material. When you say “muck”, I think “silt” which also describes a particle size, one between sand and clay. The way clay holds water is that the smaller particle size creates smaller spaces for water or, a better description might be more surface area for water to bind to. It’s not impervious to water, it just holds more. You’re doing fine my brother. Soil testing would not be out of place for the blue clay…

@bobcatsmith246 Год назад

Hello Tim, It's too bad that we live far apart from each other, I would love to help you with your projects. Love the videos. Keep up the good work, and God bless.

@joebarrett9830 Год назад

Not a soil expert here but have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. lol. Watching the show Curse of Oak Island, they talk about the original builders of the money pit using the blue clay as their water seal. It's used for the pit as well as the flood tunnels. Those have worked for centuries. They had Coconut husks to filter out the water in the bay inlet to the flood tunnels. So, if the original "contractors" of that project used blue clay for their waterproofing that has worked for centuries, I would say that you will have it lasting for a lifetime in your pond. Or as you say, maybe until next year. lol. Great videos. Thanks for sharing with us all.

@SledgeHammer43 Год назад

Tim cattails can start in a floating mass of leaves and will create peat moss. The clay has to be compacted or it is very permeable. It is actually a very wicking soil until it is compacted. Rent a sheep's foot compactor. I personally would compact at lifts no more than 9 inches in thickness I would prefer doing a 6 inch lift.

@jonfehr5950 Год назад

My 2 cents is pack pack pack! You need to layer blue clay around perimeter and pad foot the living out of it. I think a pad foot roller is very necessary

@kencotton4645 Год назад

Have you tried tamping it with the bucket as you go? We get pretty good compaction filling holes with our mini.

@michaeltechroom 10 месяцев назад

another tips with some these mini Excavator move that boom side shift back & forth so the grease work it self in the pins for the side shift

@pc5569 Год назад

Wish I was a clay expert to give you some advice, but I'm not. Your pond has actually come a long way from where you started. I really like the "build it with what you have" rather than just hiring it out.

@PittMan444 Год назад

Not a professional pond digger, but in my experience running equipment use the scoop of clay to pack the previous scoop. With low weight equipment compact a little at a time. Hope this makes sense, good luck and God bless.

@Treeplanter73 Год назад

Keeping digging deeper and you'll be able to put walleye in there. 👍no worries buddy, dig more, dig deep, and you'll be fine.

@nickeckemoff7631 Год назад

Clay doesn't stop water. Nothing does. It just slows it down better than sand.

@henryoppermann134 Год назад

Look for. Wacker Neuson dumper to wheel the gray clay to where you need it, ( i have a 1-1/2 yard dumper, but the 3 yard size would be perfect for the large quantity, and for the trench, use an excavator compactor, so it’ll fit into the trench etc, and gives it a plate size compaction and squeeze the clay particles together.

@richpicone7788 Год назад

This is awesome..... I feel like I'm watching a TTWT / Goldrush crossover!

@cwolf8841 Год назад

Love the Lube system. Far easier. No priming. No rod sticking out. The best.

@mattjacobus3005 Год назад

Another great video of you pond progress thanks Tim keep up the good work. Cant wait to see the next video of the pond or what ever you have.

@jeffrussell2337 Год назад

Very enjoyable videos. Keep on going I think you are going to have a nice pond. God bless you and Christy.

@user-dr9js1do2w Год назад

i have never ran into the blue clay but i was talking to a buddy of mine and he said that blue clay was pretty good for what you are doing. H said it will kinda work like a check valve, it will allow the water in but will not drain out. Hope it works out.

@turdferguson5300 Год назад

Tim you've done so well with the pond that I would talk to the Game & Fish guys to have a few crappie in there. If you build a shady dock they will get under it for easy catching and you could have family fish fries. Our daughter is almost 30 now but we started birthday fish fries when she was three. She was married seven years ago and we added another fish fry to our calendar. I thing you would do well with a rock bottom on the north end for spawning and possibly a few logs hanging over those humps for structure. I think 12-15 foot will be deep enough for fish. Just have fun with it and possibly make a more content. "The pond series" how to build a wildlife pond, on Aqua Time With Tim. 😁

@floydferguson5366 Год назад

Great video!

@frankhartmeyer9841 Год назад

I really enjoy your pond project videos Tim, great job.

@tomoaktree4951 Год назад

Hi Tim, The blue clay will work good. The clay should be compacted in lifts. It's very difficult to compact cohesive material when it's over 2 feet thick, unless you have a really heavy compaction device. A trench roller would be great as it's narrow in width, is remote operated. Christy could be sitting in a chair with an umbrella running it while you fill in the trench! Looks great so far!

@williamjansen6480 Год назад

I have a pond, but it was made before my ownership. It has blue clay at the bottom. Works great. I don't think it is supposed to be water proof. Maybe that would cause it to overflow depending on what the external sources of water is. I think my pond gets quite some water from surroundings that are higher, so it shouldn't be completely water proof.

@yayinternets Год назад

Tim, if you really do plan on stocking it with fish, I think it would be very worthwhile to contact your regional state wildlife office and see if they could offer you any advice on what to do for an optimal habitat. Would make for a really interesting video too. Looks great, keep up the good work!

@nathanbrodeur Год назад

Tim if you do the compression compaction every 2 feet you should be more than good to not have voids in the clay layers

@roybrochu5409 Год назад

To get the best compaction it needs to be done in lifts, preferably one foot or less.

@rcwayt4020 Год назад

Great video Tim! Maybe you could look at getting an attachment for the mini to pack that in?

@user-bo1cf4lq8u Год назад

Loving this project!!!!

@awstott Год назад

Can you rent a plate compactor for the Kubota? Fill the keyway half way and then switch over to the plate compactor and pack it and then fill? Quite the project you have on your hands.

@scottsoper Год назад

😄 I am the kind of guy that would spin the excavator around in circles just for fun!!!

@scottsoper Год назад

I like your Kubota U48-5 Excavator. In addition to digging I would want brush and log handling equipment including a log splitter for those really big nasty twisty logs!

@johngrossbohlin7582 Год назад

Time for another attachment! A hydraulic plate compactor for the excavator! 😉

@farmlife7087 Год назад

A old farmer told me that the best way to seal the bottom of a pond is to put cows in it and they will stomp it down.

@danieljohnson3328 Год назад

I wonder if the blue clay is a type of bentonite. The reason i say that is the way you describe it turning to muck, which is how bentonite works i believe. It acts like a sponge in that once it absorbs water, it leaches very little but some. Thats why when you step in it you sink. My point to this comment is im wondering if you need to compact it, like you said. Will be curious to see. I of course no nothing about this, but wish you the best of luck.

@TheGrainBench Год назад

Dont fret the "Doesn't know what he's doing " comments. Thats a keyboard warrior who either hasnt ever done it either or if has done it doesnt remember the learning curve of starting out. I still say you should reach out to Dirt Perfect and Letsdig18. These guys are the pond masters and could give a world of knowledge. Keep on keeping on. You're doing great with what you have. Kudos to you.

@PaulLB7 Год назад

Another resource idea, your county probably has a soil and water office, they may have someone that is willing to talk to you about soils to use. ?

@user-hr8pq3dv3h Год назад

Down here in NC they use pigs to seal ponds. Fence it off until it holds water. Discusting, but hey ... if it works ....

@joenyenhuis9585 Год назад

I would suggest renting a plate compactor for the blue clay

@richc9890 Год назад

you may need to rent a dozer to clean up what you need to and compact some of the bottom clay. It may make your project go a bit faster towards the end of it.

@jddriver9565 10 месяцев назад

get greasy first thing in the morning....yep I know what you are talking about.🤣🤣

@smoothlandin Год назад

Looks good Tim and Christy! I used blue clay and it works great.

@RZ_Earthworx Год назад

Our pond on out property started out like this with water popping up and yhe dame type of soils/ clays, I just kept digging and shaping and had no issues, were in a bad drought right now and our pond is still holding at a steady level, overflow level is 12 feet higher but it still has water for deer and cattle

@DerekThorpe294 Год назад

Consider making a few minutes of the video a time lapse! That way you can show the process a little better

@jonathanguess4052 Год назад

The Kubota is doing a great job

@TractorTimewithTim Год назад

Yep.

@jimhancock5047 Год назад

Lots of work and effort! And daily greasing. Some moments when a long stick U48 would be handy!

@TractorTimewithTim Год назад

There is no ‘long stick’ version.

@jimhancock5047 Год назад

Very true. It was more a "Wouldn't it be nice" thought@@TractorTimewithTim

@TheZipman34 Год назад

Tim you hit the water table if you were down where I live at in Texas usually you have to keep it pumping 24 hours to get the sand out

@joshuasmith5837 Год назад

Tim just keep up the great work brother at the end of the day this is yours and your wife’s life and if you are happy with your work that’s all that matters. You will need to pack it in with a roller or some kind of roller attachment that could fit on that kabota. Other then that great vids all around

@SLCFarms Год назад

Coming right along. Looks good Tim. I think the clay liner will work

@yayinternets Год назад

Also, +1 for a letsdig collaboration to get some advice from him. That would be a great video too! Even it it was just a Zoom call with him.

@douglaspeck8535 Год назад

you should be compacting every couple of feet of rise

@cutlow1383 Год назад

Great plan. Keep the faith and all will be well!

@Rsiikarla Год назад

So this looks like a fun project, but do you have to follow any rules from the DNR? Here in Wisconsin, we have rules and permits that need to take place for a pond.

@jolanni7 Год назад

It has been my understanding Tim that while clay is an excellent waterproof liner, once clay is disturbed it can never have those traits again. It can not be repacked, ever to its natural state to divert or hold water. I suspect the reason is that clay once disturbed and tossed back into a hole, even though compacted will still have crevices water water will channel and run. Therefore not water proof or able to hold water. As always, I could be wrong.

@MARKLOCKWOOD2012 Год назад

Tim ya just drive forwards and back wards with tracks. and back drag with your jd bucket

@petenolte4192 Год назад

You need dirt perfect to come and give some expert advise on the pond. On what works and what doesnt work for a pond not leaking

@alphonsotate2982 Год назад

WOW! That is deep I think it will fill up with water no problem

@melaniekeen3611 Год назад

Grease is a tractor or excavators best friend. Makes them feel better

@dave.lawrence.3894 Год назад

You're right about what you are trying to get done, go slow, never get in a hurry... how deep are the water holes? 😊. Keep going .. 🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔👍🙏🙏🙏🙏

@jimmerrithew453 Год назад

Hi Tim. In the Ottawa River Valley, there is a lot of bluish Leda clay. When it becomes saturated, its fluidity increases. Houses cannot be built in Leda clay zones, as a result.

@samengler539 Год назад

Hmmm maybe you should run all you dirt thru a rock cleaner and a sleuth box and look for some gold while you got it all out. Lol. Cheers

@ranger5721 Год назад

mabey get a packer for your trackhoe they do make them for small ones, lets dig18 has one for his small track hoe or you can rent a small rc controled shepfoot tamper taht is onlly about 3 feet wide and might work great for you

@donmedford2563 Год назад

If you had it to do over again, would you buy the next bigger excavator? I suggest you dig below anything that you think has been disturbed in the past. When I had my first pond dug in northwest Ohio, I wanted it as deep as possible. He was using a pan and hit a sand pocket. He said it might only be a foot or two thick or it might be 10' thick so we decided to stop at 10' deep. He packed some clay back over the sand. When he came back the next day there was water in the hole. He said if water can seep into your pond, it WILL seep back out again.

@TractorTimewithTim Год назад

No, I got the largest I can haul legally with my truck/trailer.

@indyphotos Год назад

Hey Tim. When we lived in Brown County we had someone enlarge our pond and he had a large excavator and had to dig it out when it was full of water but that’s pretty common because they fill back in over time anyway he said if you want a good fishing pond there needs to be a deep area so the fish can over winter. I don’t remember how deep but the IN DNR could probably tell you.

@justingregory6708 Год назад

Should compact in 6in lifts and at least 2ft deep or more depending on pond size, compact it self you wish 🙏 😂

@timkd5vmv583 Год назад

Tim, When I am on a difficult project, I stop and think to myself, What would Tim do in this situation? I am enjoying watching this series. Keep up the good work and God Bless. The Other Tim with Tractors

@TractorTimewithTim Год назад

Thanks Tim!

@bc65925 Год назад

I should have guessed you'd of been going over to Decatur. If I'd a been thinking I would have had you look for my friend Larry from Tipton. He always takes over a few tractors and has one that his father made because one couldn't be acquired at the time.

@mitchp350 Год назад

Wish I was a RU-vid/FaceBook Pond expert, but sadly I am not. Looks like you have a huge task on your hands, that you are well on your way to getting through. At least you will be able to have answers to all your questions, within a year or so, and be able to help others with your knowledge as you move forward.

@HoneyDoHomestead Год назад

I wouldn't get rid of any fill dirt you have unless its like 100 truckloads or something. Use it to give your landscape some interest. Build berms that you can plant trees and shrubs into. So you have structure to create some real visual interest across the property. Or build a spoil pile in the back corner of the property. Everyone who trucks their dirt away regrets it.

@mikepici5553 Год назад

Hey tim try getting in touch with Chris from let's dig he knows a heck of alot about ponds and which soils work best

@noisybarinavalon Год назад

Do you have a local agricultural extension where you can send soil samples to be tested? I would be worth eliminating all doubt with the amount of time and effort you're putting into this.

@Not_So_Weird_in_Austin Год назад

Interesting on the boom reach. I am guessing everyone with an excavator would like and use a long reach boom at some time

@snymat_68 Год назад

Just take all the extra dirt and make a big hump in the front yard. 😂

@TractorTimewithTim Год назад

Interesting idea! I wonder if anyone has tried that? …oh, yea. maybe not such a great idea! :-)

@brianhillis3701 Год назад

Made me laugh.😊

@zachbaugh6317 Год назад

I’m still waiting for a guest appearance from Dirt perfect or letsdig18 to give some advice on the pond dig

@bc65925 Год назад

Try to "PONDer" the options... I see what you did there. 🙂Is the blue clay bentonite? If so that is what they use for ponds and even drilled well shafts from what I've heard anyway. I've only used it in the process of brewing white wine. Maybe when this fancy pond gets all filled with water I can take advantage of some of the winds I'm sure you get up there in the flat lands and get my RC Sailboat out on it!

@gregorytierney3691 Год назад

Question for you. If it’s just dirt and clay along the bottom, wouldn't the uneven surfaces you are trying to create along the bottom end up leveling out overtime anyways? I like your idea but wonder if it will hold over time.

@TheMoparman74 Год назад

Agreed. I'm afraid he is going to create leaks

@VicShoup-ec6jb Год назад

Compaction is the Key! I hope Dirt Perfect will give you a call.

@richardwashkuhn7544 Год назад

May be blue silt, if can roll it in the palm of hand to the shape of a small worm it is clay.

@Southalabamaoutdoors Год назад

Either purchase a packing wheel ( looks like a miniature sheep's foot roller but attaches to the excavator and you roll it in to pack it..let's dig has one on his mini. But you must pack in that blue clay at lower level then add clay repack again..it will be major issues if you don't pack it

@hughhead9079 Год назад

The worry about the water filling the low hole could be resolved if the local Ag Extension can tell you where the aquifers and water table are in your area. Or find out the old fashioned way via a sample well drilling (with a pump to trickle feed the pond if ever needed in drought)? From the pics, it seems there's still plenty of water in the 2nd and 3rd layers of sandy dirt above the clay or from seams within the clay around the pit. Or better yet, it's bubbling up from the aquifer through the lower clay layer (great news for a pond!). Clay "resists" to hold water from above or the sides fairly well, but aquifer pressure on water always wins from below.

@johnkovac4436 Год назад

Ground pressure will push water through anything even blue clay .but blue clay is nature's way to hold water

@johngrossbohlin7582 Год назад

I cannot help but wonder if using a mixer to homogenize the sandy clay mix and add a binder would make a good liner.

@roybaughman306 Год назад

You know in your mind what you want..the water you are seeing maybe from an underground stream seeping through sand veins..good sign water traveling up not down once the packed clay contains it ...pond will fill...

@JCWren Год назад

I wish the Lube Shuttles guns had a zerk fitting to clip the hose to for storage. I can’t remember the brand name just now, but whoever makes the grease fitting that locks onto the zerk has that on their guns. Unfortunately, those guns use conventional grease cartridges.

@Justalittleoutoftown Год назад

I had a bunch of that blue clay on my pond build. I dug past it down about 10ft till I hit solid ground. Then I put good red clay about 12ft wide and packed it with my m7060 with a bucket full of dirt. My dam is 400ft long and it took a lot of dirt but I don’t think that clay would have held.