4:40, correction: Debian doesn't come with gimmicks, its Gnome that comes with the gimmicks. Debian uses Gnome as is (stock stock) whereas other distros tailor it
That's why I always install my distros naked (tty only) and manually install the packages I want. Currently I have a Debian install with ≈900 packages with all my applications installed. I think the default Debian install with any desktop has more packages.
Debian can be configured in so many different ways that you can use it, as you only reviewed it in it’s stable form, there is a testing branch and a unstable branch which is at the bleeding edge. Debian is so configurable that you can set it up just about anyway you need it to be.
it's not that nice compared to say Mint. But at least it doesn't feel like you're selling your soul and your family with it, like it's the case with installing windows when the try to force you to create a microsoft account just to run your pc.
Why is the installation process so important? I do that once every couple of years. It's by far faster than updating a macOS or Windows. Even if you install Arch manually.
@@sihilius Click "Domain Join Instead" after selecting "Work or School" and then create a local account when installing Win 11, silly billy. I will say that if you are using Azure AD with Intune/Entra in a corporate environment, Windows 11's zero touch deployment when signing in during initial setup with your M365 credentials is amazing. It's so automated that I don't have to interact and onboard any new employees, install any agents, setup any software, etc (which was the bane of my existence).
With so many changes happening in the desktop space (GTK4, Plasma 6 coming soon, the switch to Wayland as a default etc) there will be bugs and breakage, and if you early adopt you will be affected by these first-hand. The whole point of a LTS distro is to guarantee a working environment that stays the same at least until it's safe to upgrade. The payback is that you accept to stay with the current bugs and missing features for a while. In the end, it's a choice: getting you things done or working as a beta tester for Gnome and Plasma.
@@folksurvival I think he's referring to how Fedora KDE will only have wayland and ditch X11. That's why those people are "beta testers." Someone who just wants to do work might have better luck with Debian 12 KDE because of X11. Of course, there are plenty of other KDE distros which use X11 that are more recent than Debian so I don't agree with his point.
When Debian says stable they are not referring to bugs. They are saying application ABIs will not change within the same release and that's why the packages are fixed for such a long time. It's to keep OS updates from breaking dependencies.
thats why if im thinking of proprietary software which does rely on stable dependencies versions for years to come for their software to work, they would rely on debian or an alma or rocky linux. But if they learn about flatpak distribution and port their application for it, they can finally become distro independent, i would hope so, but not all companies do this, so a stable distro with stable deps is needed. And thats the distros i choose from.
@@akashp01welcome to RU-vid, everyone copies everyone here lol. I think the miscommunication of stable is from people assuming Linux in general is unstable (buggy). I think this is false though, because a standard user who never uses sudo past installing store apps will likely not break thier OS. This has at least been my experience and I mess around with much more than store apps!
New linux user here. Dude, you don't know for HOW LONG the terms "Stable" , "Rolling release" and sentences like "Debian is Rock Solid, it never breaks!" & "Rolling release distros Arch are meant to break" confused me. Even now it confuses me sometimes. What does "Breaking" even mean???
I want to clarify that my comment was in no way meant to be a criticism of Michael or this video. Michael does a great job with his channel. My intention was only to clarify a very common misconception.
@@akashp01 So when Linux RU-vidrs mention "Debian 12/New Linux Mint is released, and it's ROCK SOLID", it doesn't necessarily mean that it has less bugs or my system will crash less than Windows 10/11 - did I get it correct?
I've been using Debian Stable on my work desktop for years. Overall, a good experience. The servers, that I write software for, also run on Debian Stable, so using the same as my desktop makes testing easier and more reliable. Looking forward to the update.
This could be achieved by using docker as well while having and keeping an up to date desktop system. Fedora + Rockylinux in my case and any Debian (Testing)/Ubuntu based System + Debian
We all have different needs. Some need stability, others need new features, all would like both. Linux has made GREAT progress in the last few years (I've been using it since 2006, I know what it was like 10 years ago). Flatpak IMO really makes a difference in terms of keeping the software up-to-date. With this (flatpak) in mind, Debian 12 seems to be an EXCELLENT choice for workstations.
A question about flatpak (I know, I've googled and it's answered) - so many flatpaks are not "verified" by flathub, and have single users maintaining them. In contrast, packages from the package manager whether dnf, apt, or zypper, are always verified and trustable builds. How does Flatpak address the security / malicious code injection issue? This issue exists in Snaps and AppImages too, so I'm not currently in support of any of those, even though I am total fan of the concept of portable apps - everything contained in one directory, even if it takes 50% more disk space. Immutable distros are something I would love.
I really don't know, why the feature "new" is always thought as an advantage for Linux users. It matters only, if you are just waiting for something eg. missing features of the applications you use, bug fixes etc. But if you like your system as it is now it is not an advantage at all. So if you install new Debian and you like it, you don't have any reason to move to Ubuntu, because it is "newer". The "new" feature was important about 10 years ago, where the Linux desktop was still in construction and there were lot's of features well known from proprietary operating system, that were missing in Linux. But it is 2013 and now most Linux desktop environments give you all what you need. Debian has also some derivatives that are more newbies friendly (MX-Linux, Sparky Linux, LMDE etc.) so telling the newcomers, that Ubuntu is one and the only alternative for pure Debian is absurd.
Why not use the testing or "unstable" versions. They are more stable than most distros whilst being kept up to date throughout. Debian Sid is pretty much a rolling release distribution
They are not really a seller, since they don't give any assurance whatsoever. If someone doesn't know what they are doing, then it's not a good idea to use testing or SID branches due to the lack of proper support.
Debian is great if it has exactly what you want, you configure it once and you can be sure it'll be exactly like that for 5 years, nothing new added and nothing removed.
“Stable” in the context of Debian refers to the operating system and most of its packages not changing over time except for security updates and bug fixes. Traditionally, this has been a big disadvantage for people because they miss out on desktop environment features and bug fixes, and many applications go unupdated on a stable distro. However, desktop environments are a lot more mature now, so the new feature’s won’t be missed as sharply, and Flatpaks are a way to get the newest applications rather than being stuck on older versions. For people with very new hardware or who need many applications in their newest versions (maybe compile some programs themselves), Debian is a poor choice. However, if your hardware is not getting an upgrade in the near future, and the up-to-date packages released as Flatpaks do the job for you, then Debian is a good choice. Alternatively, if you want Flatpak set up for you out of the box, ability to install non-free software out of the box, support for new hardware into the future, and a set of powerful graphical tools (not quite at the level of Yast, but still very cool and useful), you can wait for MX Linux 23. MX Linux is basically a better Debian Stable, and I strongly recommend it for users who are fine with Debian’s slow release cycle.
On one of my PC's I have Spiral Linux and love it. Its done by the same guy that did Gecko for OpenSuse. Spiral isn't a "distro", it is more of a Debian installer that basically does all the things you'd find in a "20 Things to do after installing Debian" list plus a few more things-- none of which change its complete compatibility with regular Debian.
I had Debian 10 on my 10 year old laptop that I use to play music on. I tried OpenSUSE on it recently. The problem with OpenSUSE is that it takes longer to start up and has a ton more updates (as it should) when compared to Debian. I think OpenSUSE has its place but for our old music playing laptops, Debian is a great fit. I plan on putting Debian 12 on that laptop now.
I used Debian Testing for a few years, a long time ago. Still stable as hell for regular desktop use and fairly up to date packages. This was before GNOME 3/4 and plugins breaking after each new release of GNOME.
I use computers mainly to browse these days. I installed Debian 12 and it's extremely stable. I haven't had a SINGLE crash on any app, or applet etc. Basically, the desktop environment is very stable too, not just the kernel. On Ubuntu, I get crashes from included apps, or applets, or other parts of the DE, 1-2 times per HOUR. The only bug I found on Debian (and that bug was there since the previous release too) was that the audio from my sound card was too low pitch (kernel bug that ubuntu has fixed). But other than that one bug, I haven't encountered anything else wrong with the system.
@@MichaelNROH Crashing apps 1-2 times an hour is not reliability. The kernel is reliable, because it's tested with modern suits and architected by the best engineers in the world -- who work at massive corporations. The kernel development these days has nothing to do with the early '90s dev community, or the desktop environment dev community. It's just big corporations with a dog in a fight. The desktop stuff on top, is not reliable at all, since it doesn't enjoy the same participation that the kernel is. Debian is the only distro I know where the DE and the gui apps are more stable than in other distros, because they do longer testing.
I don't really like clickbait titles/thumbnails, they set high expectations and then they disappoint. For that I would usually give a thumbs down but ok the video is not that bad. Thanks.
Watching this video after 11 months and I have to say Debian Stable with only Flatpak applications is very good for daily driver and also gaming! I 'm using Steam and Heroic from flathub and the gaming experience is basicaly the same I had on arch. The only reason for someone to go to those bleeding edge distros, is if your hardware is less that 1/2 years old.
I currently use KDE Neon, and I only really play Singleplayer Games and Indie Games. I don’t particularly care about the latest and greatest DE features. I kind of prefer my main PC to be boring and reliable, so I think down the line I’ll switch to Debian 12 and install the backports and use Flatpaks
All it takes to change to a more "recent" version is to edit one single file. Currently I'm running testing, that's Debian 13 codenamed trixie. So far I have encountered two "problems": 1) ssh had been compromised by someone who worked on a subsystem of ssh. AFAIK, that was discovered on a Friday, and when I looked on Sunday, that bug had already been fixed. 2) For quite some time, updating the system resulted in a steadily growing list of "can't dos". The reason was that the developers were fixing the Y2K38 problem, which affects pretty much the whole kernel and perhaps more. That problem has been fixed, all I had to do was to be patient. I have run unstable for a couple of years, and in that time the system showed exactly one major bug. How's that for running bleeding edge? In summary, it takes more than looking at the stable version before deciding wether Debian is for you.
I run MX Linux. It is moving to a Debian 12 base from Debian 11. Mx Linux supports Flatpaks out of the box. One can wait for the Debian 12 goodness to reach other Debian based Distros. I look forward to putting very slim Debian 12 installation on a very low performance machine. I can run the same Flatpaks on this machine as my Mx boxes. Eventually, they will all be running the same core software and key applications. Debian 12 is a big win for a greater Debian community.
I am Debian user and works fine (using KDE Plasma). Honestly, this is the how install Linux from the right way (my opinion), because you got the basic base and the rest is up to you for customize. You have the control of your OS. But, i agree about the complexity in setup Debian, but still is the best distro and the base for others variants. If you don't fell comfortable, the best for beginners is Linux Mint. Is good, stable and solid too. Again, is up to you what distro you want.
Debian stable is the workhorse ... it simply has to work without issue's, over and over. On the other hand der is Debian testing which is much more stable as someone expect.
I am running Debian 12 as my main OS at home. It's been fantastic. Not having to police updates was extremely important to me for my work. Getting Flatpak up and going was simple and most all of my apps are Flatpaks. Beyond that, it's really been rock solid for so far. I play stuff on Steam and through Lutris when I'm not working. No complaints, no reason to switch away at this time.
GNOME Games was previously a part of the GNOME release set. However, it has been moved to the "others" section very recently and will not be a part of the release set after GNOME 45.
I'm a new Linux user, I tried to do a full-system upgrade from Bullseye to Bookworm and my PC was unable to boot up, I Googled around with no luck and eventually just tried thee liv so I can save my files and do a clean install over it. I struggled to find the password of the Debian-Live was, but in the end, everything worked fine, and happy with it.
Thank you for the video. I don't like changes on my workstation. I want to switch it on and work. That is why I use Debian 11. Can't wait to format and install Debian 12... and yes you are right the web page is confusing! Cheers!
I recently updated to Debian 11 from Debian 10 and will probably keep it this way on my main machines as I could rather seamlessly replicate my current workflow. Still I consider getting 12 on my spare laptop to try it out.
An informative video. I've been using Debian for over ten years. For me, the pluses highlighted in the video are what make it my logical choice. I use it for 3D rendering, server utils, LibreOffice, programming, video and photo editing, and general tinkering around. The stability is paramount, and now with the advent of Nvidia drivers, I can utilise a very nice graphics card with it. Having been a Windows user since the '90s and MSDOS prior, Debian is super stable and nowadays compatible compared to current Windows releases. I've had to remedy a number or recent bugs in Windows updates that have been publicised recently, and I'm glad I'm on Debian as my main OS. Like Michael said, though: it's not for everyone - especially those who aren't used to command line interfacing.
Debian is fine for gaming, I do it all the time. However you do have to know what you're doing if you're trying to play the latest AAA, but for older titles or indie gaming Debian stable works great. Debian is one of the best distros for everything, screw Arch and Fedora!
Overall, Debian is one of my favorite distributions. But you are right, the average user will quickly get bored and want new features. Speaking of stability and serious testing, I found a bug in the installer (in a pseudo-graphical version, perhaps it is still present), and I also once encountered a rather serious bug in the kernel (it was quickly fixed). By the way, I like the pseudo-graphical installer. It may not look very elegant, but (ideally) you only have to see it once. There is a feature that MUST be in any installer in any distribution - ask which key combination to switch the keyboard layout (not only in the GUI, but in the entire system). For some reason, this childhood sore affects so many distributions ...
The default installer is really good in my opinion. It doesn't even matter if you use it with the mouse GUI or the text based one, the usability is really great if you know your stuff (e.g. setting IP addresses, manual partitioning, etc.).
Some people just want their computer to work without having to wonder what that thing is going to do, or break after an update. Not just people who use their computer for work.
Most people using computers just want them to work and as long as the software they rely on does not give them problems, they don't care if it is the latest version. In fact, for many, the latest changes would derail their workflows and cause them problems. My point is, that most people are not Linux enthusiasts. For them, stability is what they want. I have a friend who is still using Windows 7 and refuses to upgrade. Everything he does on his machine works for him, and he is satisfied with things as they are. Given that on Debian, things are tested and work, that provides comfort for people who want a system that they can just turn on and get things done. Linux has come a long way in ease of use, and this latest version of Debian is an important contribution in that direction. Frankly, if one of my friends or family wanted to try Linux, Debian is the version I would install. Finally, your perspective is one of an expert user, and it is valid in that regard. But you fail to take into account what it takes to attract new users to Linux, it must be easy to use and stable. Debian 12 gives the new user both. Thus, I found your views here valid for experts but shortsighted with regard to average users.
Debian is like FIRMWARE to older hardware. Install and forget and don't bother with dependency hell. The successor in the future of Linux would be Atomic updates like Fedora Silverblue/kinoite edition and all Wayland. What you need to realize is Debian caters to a market other than the mainstream consumer; AI, defense, satellites, IoT, Banking, Robotics, Industries and systems that require REDUNDANCY and fail-safe, mission critical applications that can cost life. I disagree with you. Sid branch is more stable than any distro anyone could use. Without Debian, Linux would not be Linux.
@@akashp01 Your sentence? Understand that almost 90% of PC Userbase are a Gamers, are you have something against?? We use new technologies(implemented in hardware), my PC are 4 years old but it has powerful hardware. We cant use our hardware at highest rate with Debian, it hase prehistoric packages. I like Debian, but when I see folks like you I more and more starting to dislike it. Debian Sid is what I used, but it is also at behind with packages when it is compared to ArchLinux(GaridaLinux, ArcoLinux) and Fedora, and Windows even it is not Linux distro but it has new Drivers for example.
I dont understand recommending Ubuntu over Debian. One, Ubuntu is based on Debian. Two, my experience with Ubuntu was horrible; the distro did everything different. Maybe things have changed since then. I tried out a lot of distros when I got into Linux. The two I wound up using the most were Debian and a LFS/BLFS ( hey, I had a lot of time on my hands! ). I wound up going back to windows eventually because the programs I wanted to use we a major pain to get going on Linux. I think it is time for me to install another Linux OS and see how far it has come. The videos I have been watching seem to show it has.
I love Debian, that stability and big repos are all I look for in an operating system. You're still right about all your complaints and people should keep that in mind, everyone's talking about Debian 12 like it's going to be a bleeding edge distro from now on just because it has current DEs, but a year or two down the line, it's going to be horribly outdated. If you care at all about new packages, don't use Debian. I don't, so I'll be switching back to my boy from Manjaro eventually. Just need to stop being lazy.
@@thomasgoirand488 It's still less stable than Debian stable and more outdated than most other rolling release distros, the worst of all worlds. I'm not a big fan. I don't really need the most recent packages.
Just migrated from Windows to Debian last week. The installation is quite okay. Most things are good out of the box. But tweaking takes almost a whole week for me. Luckily GPT helped me a lot on configuring and troubleshooring. It's amazing that it's so comfortable that I don't want to boot into Windows anymore unless I have to.
Recently I switched to Fedora from Debian, previously I was too happy with Debian, but after Installing Fedora my happy life with Linux is gone, always trying to fix some bugs caused by new update. going back to debian now.
I use Debian 12 for both my home website server and jellyfin server I love how stable it is and I love how easy and fast it is to install if you don't need a desktop.
@@MichaelNROH, you are of course right to advise caution but I have used backports extensively for a good few years and, so far, had no problems whatsoever. That doesn't mean others might not have issues but I thought I'd throw my own experience into the mix.
@@neilsmith9473 Oh yeah, I'm not really worried about overall stability all that much but there is minimal difference that's all I'm saying. Backports are basically as good as the stable packages, just not as guruanteed.
I used Debian last time around 10 years ago, and the experience was... okay. Being stable didn't do anything for me personally, and the problems that came from being an old distro started to appear and I move out of it. Nowadays I think it's a lot easier to use Debian with Flatpaks, AppImages and Snaps, since it means that generally - you could have a rock solid OS, and up to date programs. Personally, I'm happy on Arch Linux and I like being up to date so Debian's main selling point doesn't do much for me, but it's clear why it's a good distro and well respected in the Linux space. I would never recommend it for a beginner though.
The blood from chasing the bleeding edge and the complexity of dealing with instability are two of the main things pushing people away from Linux. The graphical installation is obviously a factor in the poor website design since it is already there. With any distro, you have to consider the use case. Debian also has the benefit of being developed by a non-profit, and the spin-off problems with Red Hat deciding to stop supporting open source make that a current issue. How many distros are about to disappear because they are based on RHEL source code? CentOS just went EOL... Yes, the main download page should have easy and advanced ISOs clearly labeled and a note about internet connectivity requirements, but again that is a web design issue, not a distro issue. Many default apps could be left out, and flatpack should be supported and set as default out-of-the-box. Many users see computers as an appliance to get work or play accomplished. That's why Windows and Apple have such a market share in the desktop space. Some of us are put off by changes to desktop managers that seem niche or change for the sake of change. I'm too busy to relearn where to find some settings every few months. JMTC YMMV
I use Debian since a year (after Ubuntu). Im not install any program. At the first login with just a blackscreen (CMD) I install KDE or Gnome, then reboot. And there is no bloatware. I tried out testing branch. It contains really really recent softwares like kernel, and almost all day there is new update, but Nvidia-drivers not working on testing branch sadly. (Nvidia-smi crash). I Think I will swap to main branch again.
I've been using Debian for production servers and personal use since 1997 (1.3 aka Bo). Other disgtros come and go and have varying problems. Debian has occasionally had some politicking machinations that are frustrating. But overall, I would never stray from Debian. I have no idea what people desperately need from "newer" distros, but Stable has always been ENTIRELY fine for my needs. if there is something seriously missing in Stable, I'll just deal with it manually. *shrug*.
I love it-- I've had TWO dsitros (NEPTUNE 9 and SPARKY) based on it and they were GREAT- and DEBIAN 12 it'self is GREAT. stable- fast as arch- with the BS... and NO keybanging crap needed.. and if you use FLATPAKS you can make most anything you run be " up to date"--- besidses all the fuss about being UP TO DATE-- does NOT mean one needs to be updated every 10 minutes or it's OLD.. that's just STUPID.. like the fools that think they NEED that..
im an Elementry os user for like 8 yrs after ubuntu went mainstream and started selling all our data. SO why is debian better than elementry and how should i install being a Elementry os fan in the past?
I had Debian for years. Decided to try PopOS cause I gave it to a friend and had to switch back because PopOS got weird on my dual boot system! Debian's install was so much easier 😅
Uhhh, yeah experimental is tough. The thing is, that many other libraries are not up to date and could result in a system crash if an app tries to call it
I'm in the process of testing all of my games and apps on another computer under Linux Mint but if I decide to blow away my Windows 10 install on my gaming rig I'm leaning towards a minimal install of Debian. I like stability.
Wanting the *newest stuff* in software is like wanting a prototype phone. Like, why would I want the iPhone 15, or whatever, *before* it hits the market? Why would I want the testing prototype? Which is guaranteed to be unstable in a few hardware & software areas. That's why it's still being tested. Is it cool to get your hands on that prototype? Yeah, it's interesting, it's exciting! But if I want something *reliable* so that I can *work*, then no thank you to the "latest and greatest". Just give me something that has been tested and improved in the last 6-12 months. Something that I can be sure works great, and gives me no headaches. I want to work. I don't want shiny things that are not guaranteed to function reliably. Software that was updated yesterday will *always have a few issues*. The more changes that were done to it, the more issues it will have. Every distro has its purpose. Can't compare them in a vacuum. Like "Arch has newer stuff. Debian is 2 years behind." Ok, true. But what do you want from your distro? You use super new hardware? Play games? You want the latest improvements in the video drivers? Go with Arch. You do boring work to pay boring bills? Go with Debian. You do both? Install both!
I installed Debian 12 and no crash no bug, no problem so far...run fine, nvidia and so on...blender, gimp, kdenlive, meshroom. unreal engine, adobe substance, Davinci...all works flawlessly....smooth, sleek...try yourself, dont follow any suggestion...Distro Hoping is not good....Debian based, arch based are still on bumpy rooad...if you want rock solid and stable distro...consider Rocky, Alma, CentOS (that is it).... OriginPC eone-15x (AMD R9 3950x)
Honestly, I have been using a multitude of linux distros for many years. Latest...greatest....Arch Linux, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, Fedora, Ubuntu (all derivatives), and so many more. At this point all I want is a stable experience that doesn't break and isn't changed every month/week/day. Yes, it will get less current over time but there's definitely something to be said for "it just works" and leave it at that.
People behind debian take their time with testing but what you get is fully woring distro which basicaly guarantees that it will work with hardware the intend to support. I personally love debian and i might switch over to it instead on windows 11 or 12. It does have learning curve but with graphical user interface does make things easier for newbees. I am not power user but i have good understanding over commands and can use them. Debian doesn't support proprietary software but simce it's yours to do what you want they still maintain them. You can use it for whatever you want.
Went and installed on my test bed system. Worked as I expected, no surprises. But not to the point where I'd go changing our daily drivers away from MINT. Why we're still running MINT some 4 years on? We like it, it has been stable, and it is NOT MS Windows 10.
Using Debian 12 32-Bit with MATE on my Old Toshiba Satalite A135, It is FAR from the best desktop, but runs WAY better than Win10. I litterly just use it for watching videos in bed. Tried something better like Cinnamon, but I had issues with Lutrus/Wine, and videos just didn't work as well.
I could not go further than half the video. I feel like I am listening to a young man telling me that is generation is the best (way of thinking, way of doing etc) and the only thing I would like to tell him is: stay humble and respect your elders.
All the reasons you site Debian might not be my daily driver is precisely why I installed Proxmox on one PC, antiX, laptop, and trying Pop OS on a potential work box, still undecided. If I were really a sharp tool I'd be building my own slackware debian or arch homelab & production box. You're to the point & on topic which makes your videos worth my time. Noticed you first on OBS tutorials. Hope you make more videos on Proxmox Cli settings & configuration run w/ Proxmox a tiling wm setup that I can work frm directly like a work station without the over head🤣 thank you
I'm not sure how the Debian installer is too advanced? It sets up the internet, makes accounts, partitions your disk, selects a desktop, and installs grub. Compared to windows it's night and day since it has an actual partitioning tool and doesn't ask for the same info twice I do agree that their website is a bit hard to navigate, if you for instance want a 32-bit version or a full DVD
It asks for a lot of things by default, that's why it's advanced. Some examples would be: * What do you enter for hostname? * What do you enter for proxy? * Which partitioning option is the best? * Should you press yes on Write Changes to disk? A lot of the upper questions are straight forward for people who understand the terms, but an unknowing person might not know that many options can be skipped (proxy).
1:54 "Stable is not always good: most users don't care about stability" "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." - _George Orwell: 1984_
I currently use Mint, but I have my boot drive on a removable drive and my home folder on a removable drive. So I plan to install Debian on an alternative drive so I can boot from either one and get to my same home folder on both. I then plan to alternate between Mint and Debian each day for a few months and then decide which I like better.
That's an interesting approach. How's the performance regarding long sessions? Some USB sticks get really hot, even if the directories on them are not being accessed all the time
@@MichaelNROH It's not a USB stick! It's a server grade case with removable SATA bays. 🙂 I run Mint OS on a 1 TB SATA Ironwolf SSD, and my data is on a 6 TB WD Red (which I'm about to upgrade to a 20 TB WD Red Pro one of these upcoming weekends when I get enough free time to let the copy run. For distro testing/hopping, I put the OS on a 1 TB Velociraptor or whatever else I happen to have lying around gathering dust, lol.
i had the dilema even to pick fedora or debian..but now i know that i choose right:D honestly all linux distros are stable..and if you dont mess too much with it it will work.All people which use debian are no casual users dont let the gnome UI fools you:D. But for those who like gnome and are a casual user they will most likely go on fedora,cause it has the best integration, and the newest release, and updates comes every 2 days or so.But still for experienced people debian is probably the better choice.
I just installed debian yesterday on a laptop and I can confirm it's not as "user friendly" as some other distros. But I found the installation process to be pretty straight forward. This is the first time I have ever installed debian and it seems okay-ish for now. I was using PoP OS until last year when that wouldn't install on my system for their newest LTS release. So I switched to Ubuntu 22.04 which was absolutely fantastic until everything started breaking a few weeks ago and about a million re-installs doesn't fix anything. So far, debian 12 has been a bit of a pain to get working right. For example sudo doesn't work until you edit some files, you have to setup flatpak as you stated, and it doesn't have a nice "additional drivers gui" (which I know is an ubuntu thing), etc... I'm currently trying to get my nvidia card to work as my screen is now just a black screen with a blinking curser. ..lol. But once I figure out how to fix that I hope to give it a spin.
A bit late but, if you leave the root password blank during installation, sudo is configured automatically. That's simply the Debian way of doing it and it warns you during the install.
@@yigitorhan7654 Appreciate it! that's good to know as I'm going to install Debian12 on another system shortly. I guess I should have read all the warnings :).
The “Debian way” is to switch to super user and then run your commands that require sudo Basically you do: su Switch to root. And then run apt update apt upgrade Etc etc
I'm not sure what you mean by the default ISO being "advanced". Can you elaborate? I just installed Debian 12 about 6 times on VMs to give it a test drive with each Desktop Environment and I found it to be perfectly usable for anyone who has installed an operating system in the last 10 years. Sure it looks antiquated and doesn't have a live feature, but I found it intuitive, at the very least. Otherwise, your criticisms are valid but as you pointed out, they're also strengths. I think the main thing I agree with, is that all additional software/games/etc should be optional or excluded by default. For this reason, I used to install Debian from a minimal ISO and manually install what I wanted from scratch.
Funny how you say Debian isn't beginner friendly when I started with Debian 5 back then, haha! Raspbian on the first versions of the Raspberry Pi were also fun to mess around. Thanks for informing me that there is a new debian so i can update my debian installation though! And glad to know we are basically neighbor countries, I come from Switzerland :)
By the way, the non-free firmware packages that are included on the new Debian installer disks are not drivers. Firmware is code that is loaded onto peripherals to make them function. That is, it is basically an operating system for a peripheral. Drivers are software that is loaded onto the computer that allow it to communicate with peripherals. Firmware will be the same regardless of the operating system running on the computer (of course it could be a newer or older version, but it's not specific to the computer operating system). Drivers will be different for different operating systems. To illustrate, look at printers, since they make the difference more obvious. A printer can be turned on without being hooked up to a computer. It boots up into its firmware and is ready to receive jobs from whatever operating system you might want to send jobs with. The operating code or firmware for the printer is contained on it rather than loaded from a file on the computer. The computer will need to have a driver compatible with its operating system to send a job, which will be different depending on the operating system, though the resulting communications with the printer will be similar. Some internal peripherals contain their own firmware on ROM chips instead of it being loaded from the system drive. However, loading firmware from the system drive each time the computer is booted makes it easier for peripherals to get new firmware updates. A new version of a driver may be shipped with a new version of the firmware to go with it. On Linux, though, most drivers are open source while much of the firmware for peripherals will not be. If a driver is not open source, it cannot be included with the Linux kernel, which is why NVIDIA drivers for Linux are generally downloaded at the time of their installation rather than being included on the OS installation medium. Until the NVIDIA drivers are downloaded, the system will usually make do with Nouveau drivers or VESA drivers.
I don't think it is a fair comparison you are making between the Debian stable release with others like Ubuntu or Pop!_OS. The Debian stable release is basically the equivalent of Fedora Server or Ubuntu Server. Most people who use Debian as an everyday OS for developing, browsing or gaming are most likely using the Debian testing release and pulling security updates from the Debian unstable repository.
I hear how good Debian 12 is, but I am concerned it uses Linux Kernal 6.1, and I have some recent AMD 7800x3d CPU and AMD RADEON 7800xt gpu which need Linux Kernal 6.4 and up. Is there a way to use a newer kernal with it? I guess just goto another distro which uses the most recent linux kernal version. On April 25th, Ubuntu 24.04 LTS is coming out and it will use Linux Kernal 6.8. But then I hear Ubuntu is not good; mainly because of SNAP and that they don't care much about the desktop anymore. For now, I just use Win11 but thinking which Linux distro is the best. I see in other videos that ARCH and DEBIAN are the 2 main ones they recondmend.
There is the testing branch for Debian 13 which you can enable, however it could break at some point since its testing. In reality, this happens close to never as packages have already gone through a lot of testing, but not everything is updated in the same pace if some problems occur. Desktop Environments for example are sometimes not consisting of a full release, but a selection of dependencies that are updated, and some that aren't yet
Interesting this is the first vid I've seen to exercise caution and experiment the system prior to finalizing making it your new os. So should I consider installing PureOS instead would PureOS be a more secure os?
I only installed Debian 12 because it supports 32 bit laptops, as I have a pretty old laptop with very limited specs (even storage space is less than 100GB), so it was like a revival to the laptop, so far I'm not facing any issues because it's no professional use just for basic home use, so I guess it should be fine
Do you want easy stable Debian 12 Bookworm? Then install the German distro Q4OS! Very easy, it can be installed very easily and everything can be configured with just a few clicks of the mouse, it is very customizable, even at desktop level.
"Debian installer is bad" - c'mon your favourite Arch even doesn't have proper installer (it is a 12th sentury installer - manual ). "I am cleaning up software..." and then boom install flatpack?! "Everytime I install Debian, I do..." - C'mon I installed my Debian 12 years ago and I just update it!. And is allways up to date. Also you say people don't mind stability on desktop and install Arch - that is stupid - there is Debian testing and Debian unstable for that purprose and they are rolling distros - go, do some research before confuse users. Arch is an exploding mess (and by the way nobody is touching it for servers). Better don't talk about Debian, get something else.
